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Morning, folks, welcome

to the Daily Politics.

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I'm not a quitter, declares

Theresa May 35,000 feet

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in the air en route to China.

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She says the government just needs

to make more of its achievements.

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Will that really satisfy

her myriad Tory critics

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despairing of her leadership?

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Just 14 months until

Britain leaves the EU.

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Maybe under 12 months

if a deal is to be done.

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-- nine months.

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So is there any hope either Labour

or Tory parties will let us know

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soon what the UK's future

relationship with the EU should be?

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Labour's leader in the London

Borough of Haringey stands down

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accusing her critics of "sexism,

bullying and undemocratic

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behaviour".

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Did allies of Jeremy

Corbyn force her out?

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And it's Prime Minister's Questions,

without the Prime Minister.

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We'll bring you Lidington

versus Thornberry live at midday.

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All that in the next 90 minutes

of public service broadcasting

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at its very finest and it may be

the B team in the Commons today,

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but it's the A team here

in the Daily Politics studio.

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OK, A minus, or B plus!

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Foreign Office Minister Mark

Field and Shadow Brexit

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Minister, Jenny Chapman.

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I'm glad you're not in China!

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So Theresa May's on her much

anticipated trip to China

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with a 50-strong trade

delegation in tow including BP

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and Jaguar Land Rover,

as well as small firms

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and universities including

Manchester and Liverpool.

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She's holding talks

with Chinese President Xi Jinping,

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they will talk about trade

and investment, but the PM

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says she will also raise

the issue of human rights.

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I'm sure the Chinese will look

forward to that!

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Mrs May told reporters travelling

with her to China that

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"I'm not a quitter."

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but that the Conservatives "need

to ensure that we do speak

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about the achievements

that we've seen".

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Here's what she had to say

at a press conference earlier today.

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Yes, we do need to do more,

and we do need to ensure

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that we are talking

about what we have already achieved

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to those young people who worry

about whether they'll

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get their own home, to those

parents who are concerned

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about the education their children

will be getting, to people

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who are worried about the jobs

for the future for their children,

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and that's what we will be

doing and I'm committed

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to delivering on that.

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Let's talk to our political editor,

Laura Kuenssberg who is in Beijing.

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Exactly what achievements should you

be talking about, Mark Fielding?

We

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have got the lowest unemployed for

40 years, the highest number of

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people ever in employment, despite

all of the clear uncertainty in the

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Brexit negotiations, we have now got

a real growth, better growth than

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anticipated in the economy.

But

lower than might have been expected.

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I don't think that's the case at

all...

Lover growth than almost

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anyone in the G-7.

We were heading

into a massive recession, that was

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what we were told in advance. It was

the government, --.

It was the

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government, the Treasury who said

that.

And independent body. But we

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are paying down the deficit more

quickly than we thought.

So why

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aren't you talking more about it?

I

wish we were. There I say it, the

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one and only question that your

correspondent asked Theresa May in

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Beijing was to do with the tittle

tattle and triviality of British

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parliament, rather than the strong

relationship of China, why she is

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there and bringing not just

professional and financial services

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but people from education, it

renders the important business in

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the future, we have 150,000 Chinese

students in the UK. This is the good

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news story globally and in the UK.

When she entered Downing Street, on

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the steps, she talked about tackling

the burning injustices in Britain.

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What burning injustice have you

extend grid? -- extinguished?

What

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she says, the sense of that

vision... What have you done? It is

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difficult without having a majority

to drive legislation. She also said

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this was an issue for not just a

short-term parliament, these are

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issues that we have to face for

decades ahead. In relation to what

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we are trying to do to make work

pay, all the controversy about

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Universal Credit, making work pay is

an important part.

In what way has

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the Commons stopped you crowds back

from extinction burning injustice?

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This is a long-term programme, the

notion that this would happen in a

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matter of months...

So nothing has

happened yet?

A lot is going on

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behind the scenes, I speak to a lot

of my colleagues in ministries and

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they have exciting plans and I hope

we will be able to bring other

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political parties with us to get

legislation through.

You talk about

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the press concentrating on what you

described article title, this is a

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serious question of the leadership

of your party, by your party, an

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ex-Tory minister says policy making

with the speed of a tortoise. Tory

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grandees Nicholas Soames, this

government is dull, dull, dull.

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Another Cabinet minister says, we

are run by vision this mediocrity.

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That is your own site.

Andrew, you

will remember in the dim and distant

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past that I had my differences with

the leadership, so I can understand

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colleagues being frustrated if they

are known part of the team. Need to

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look beyond -- if they are no longer

part of the team. We need to look

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beyond the tittle tattle of

politics. We have a difficult

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process to get through Brexit which

needs to happen, and the resilience

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and sense of duty which Theresa May

shows, my constituents writes to me

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and they do not say, we want a

leadership election, they admire her

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resilience and sense of duty.

Let's

come onto the labour problems with

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the leader leadership. Claire Kober

is the leader of the Haringey

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Council, she is going to resign,

local elections in May. She had

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talked about being the victim from

within the own party of sexism,

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bullying, undemocratic behaviour and

outright personal attacks. Why is

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there sexism, bullying, undemocratic

behaviour and outright personal

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attacks into a's Labour Party?

First

of all I want to say that I'm very

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sad to see Claire Kober go in the

way that she has. And her statement

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and the things that she said since

submitting her resignation letter

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are very, very serious.

These are

serious allegations. So does there

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need to be a formal party

investigation?

I believe there does,

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there ought to be an investigation

and we ought to get to the bottom of

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this and that is quite apart from

the controversy around the housing

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project about which I know

insufficiently to comment about. I

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think on the issue of her

resignation and the circumstances

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around it, if there has been the

behaviour that she alleges,...

She

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wouldn't make it up, but she? She is

the most prominent Labour woman, I

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think in the current climate, the

fact that she is a woman subject to

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all this makes it more, poignant

because we have a number of women in

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other fields being subjected to this

from Hollywood to other areas of

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public life. She's the most dominant

Labour woman in local government and

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she's effectively being handed out

by people in her own party.

So it

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needs to be investigated. I don't

know what the nature of the bullying

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or any harassment may have been, if

you can draw a parallel in things

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that have happened in other areas of

work, I believe there ought to be

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robust physical debate and challenge

in the Labour Party.

No one is

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arguing with that.

There is a

dissension between that and what she

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is alleging.

There should be a quick

investigation. Who should do it?

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Which part of the Labour Party?

The

NEC.

But the NEC is in the hands of

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people she has been on the wrong end

of.

They are responsible for making

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sure that this kind of behaviour

does not take part anywhere in the

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party.

Would you think that the NEC

could do a proper investigation in

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this position? 21 Labour councillors

have either been deselected or are

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standing down in May when the next

elections take place. And they have

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been replaced, essentially, by

Momentum coup, seemingly with the

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backing of the NEC.

There is a big

difference between challenge,

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deselection, the proper democratic

processes of the Labour Party being

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used to alter a choice of candidate

which happens, that is not and an

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usual thing to take place, maybe an

usual to this extent. But I maybe it

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is unusual to this extent. There is

a difference between that and what

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she has alleged.

Do you think Claire

Kober would be satisfied with an

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investigation led by today's NEC?

That's for her to say. If it's not

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to be the NEC, it would you say

should do it?

She has criticised for

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this process, the NEC, for this

process going on. The NEC had

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intervened in what her council has

been doing, she has criticised that.

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Surely it's hardly an impartial body

to investigate what has been

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happening there in terms of sexism,

bullying and personal attacks.

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Whatever the make-up of the NEC,

those people serving the party in

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that capacity needs to step up and

take responsibility and conduct a

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thorough, impartial investigation.

If they cannot do that, the rest of

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the Labour Party will see that in a

very dim light, no matter which side

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of the odd that they place

themselves on.

Final question, --

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which side of the argument that they

place themselves on. Has any of the

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Labour Shadow Cabinet criticised

this behaviour?

Andrew Gwynne is

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going into try and mediate.

He

hasn't criticised the behaviour.

I

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don't think that having anybody of

prominence, casting their opinion

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about this at this stage, is

especially helpful. I hope that

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Claire, and I think she is and I am

sure she is, is getting support from

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colleagues in local government and I

think the right thing for prominent

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people in the Labour Party to do now

is to say yes, there needs to be an

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investigation to support that, make

sure it's done thoroughly.

I think

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she has been very fair, it's worth

pointing out that this whole thing

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began essentially because the Labour

council wanted to work with a

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private body to get 6000 more homes

very urgently required for local

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people. Eventually ideology for

Momentum has trumped the interest of

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local people.

I think you are

overstocking...

Whether that is true

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or not.

That is not the issue.

Nothing justifies her issue. We all

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have robust debate but we do not go

down this road. We have to move on.

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Now, Labour are going to force

a binding vote in the Commons today,

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calling on the government to publish

the assessments of the economic

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impact of Brexit that

were leaked yesterday.

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The vote would force the government

to release the papers

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to the Brexit Select Committee.

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And the leak has prompted more

soul-searching about Brexit on both

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sides of the House -

here's Elizabeth Glinka to explain.

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Civil servants have been beavering

away, and the leaked analysis

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suggests that under three different

models of a future relationship,

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the UK's GDP in 15 years' time

would be between two and 8% lower

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than if Brexit never happened.

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But Brexit Minister Steve Baker said

the assessments didn't consider

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the implications of the bespoke deal

the government wants with the EU.

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And he said that regardless,

government forecasts were "always

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wrong, and wrong for good reasons".

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Labour has led calls

for publication but the criticism

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was echoed by some Tories,

including Justice

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Minister Phillip Lee.

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Who said "we can't just

dismiss this and move on",

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adding that if the figures

were anywhere near right,

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there'd be a "serious question"

to be asked about the government's

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current Brexit policy.

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While former Brexit Minister Lord

Bridges criticised the government

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for having no answers

to "basic, critical questions".

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And saying he feared

all we will get by October

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when both sides want a draft

deal to be done is more

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"meaningless waffle".

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But it's not only Theresa May

who is getting it from her own side.

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The Labour leadership has also been

castigated in recent days

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for alleged fence-sitting on Brexit.

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With MPs from the Labour Campaign

for the Single Market arguing

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that the party had so far "failed

to reach a common and

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coherent position".

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Andrew, back to you.

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Mark Field, these forecasts that

were leaked, do we take them

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seriously?

They are draft forecasts

and they only had forecast

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fibrillation to an off-the-shelf

model as opposed to the bespoke

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model...

There were three different

models.

They are all off-the-shelf

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options that we have got him play.

Given the range, from two to 8%

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drop, imagine six points the other

way, that makes growth of four

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point.

So we shouldn't take them

seriously?

It's not about that...

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With the point if we don't take --

what is the point if we don't take

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them seriously?

I get a lot of

opinions coming my way because I am

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a minister, some of them will be

draft forecasts and you use your own

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judgment. Of course you take

seriously everything that comes

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through.

So should they be published

when they are finalised draft so

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that we can use our judgment quite

like we have a debate in the house

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today and we of course will.

And we

of course will...

Will government

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oppose this?

We are going to

abstain, we will be in the debate

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but it will get through. It will be

published and the big caveat is that

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these are draft they do not take

account of the desired outcome, the

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bespoke deal.

Will you publish the

draft or publish when the draft is

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finished?

It makes sense to try and

get as much of the draft published

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as early avoid as possible. The

difficulty with this...

It's MS?

It

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will look a mess because it will not

look as

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look as though it's a government

document that official.

But we don't

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know what the government is trying

to achieve. That's part of the

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problem. George Bridges, former

Brexit minister, he said, there is

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no bridge to a clear destination,

just a gangplank into thin air. And

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that your own sign.

I'm sorry he

feels that way because I think the

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Florence speech made it clear that

we are a large country within the

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EU, the notion therefore of having a

deal that is the same as Norway over

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the operation of 5 million, that

recover the population of 5 million

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or Switzerland, or Iceland, is a

nonstarter. We want a specific book

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deal.

So what should that consist

of? -- bespoke deal.

There are whole

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range of services, financial

services, close to my own heart, the

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importance of London as a whole

sold...

So what does the government

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want in financial services, what

should we want as a country?

Of his

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open to negotiation.

I know that.

But in any negotiation you make your

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demand, you put your position so

what is it?

I will not announce it

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on this programme because it is a

fluid situation. We speak to people

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in the city and they are used to the

idea of having almighty sessions

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before a deal gets done. We will

have debate and discussion on this

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matter right through until March 20

19. I don't think we should be

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fearful of that. That is the way

which negotiations are done.

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The on Soomin Lee important areas,

you cannot tell us what the

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Government's end goal is. -- on so

many important areas. Not

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necessarily the negotiations for

what you're striving for.

If you

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start telling everyone what the end

goal was, you would give away

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your...

You have to tell the other

side or you can't negotiate it

A

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huge amount of negotiation has gone

on. If I were sitting moments ago,

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you would say it was all calamitous

and everything was going to collapse

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and just before Christmas we submit

got through stage one, there was a

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sense of making progress on the

important areas that needed to get

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decided before stage two began.

Labour's pushing this economic

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assessment to be published. Why do

you put so much store on forecasts

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from people whose previous forecasts

were so far out?

We think of the

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Government has commissioned this

work but it must be putting some

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store by. We expected to be of a

reasonable quality, especially given

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that initially we were told it was

in excruciating detail, then we were

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told it didn't exist, then something

was published which was at best

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superficial. Now we find there is

something, thanks to Buzzfeed, and

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we want to know what it is.

That is

the site that leaked it. Do you put

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much store... These are the people,

the Treasury. They said that

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unemployment would rise - progress

was their forecast- if we voted to

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leave, between 0.5 million and

820,000. That was the range. And it

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would be a quick rise. The 01 5

million would probably happen before

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Christmas of 2016 to adopt what

actually happened?

We want these

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papers...

What actually happened?

We

all know what happened to.

Just tell

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us for those who don't. An

employment continued to fall.

If you

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take that argument, you would never

bother looking at any forecast or

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evidence. We want to be able to

interrogate and challenge the

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forecasts and if we think the data

used is incorrect or insufficient or

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been overinterpreted, we will be

able to debate that but at the

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moment all we have is a partial leak

and the Brexit ministers are saying,

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"Well, this is a partial league,

doesn't really matter, isn't

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important," and in the very same

breath are using...

Let's come onto

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Labour's permit the whoa position.

The Government has been criticised

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not being clear. You were asked on

ITV about Labour's position and what

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once side user, "I do think people

are capable of getting their heads

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around this. What we are saying is

that we want the benefits of the

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single market but that we are uneasy

about accepting all of the laughter.

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We want the benefits of the single

market and our constituents and said

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very clearly in voting to leave that

there are aspects of membership they

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are not content with, that's why

it's a negotiation" it business you

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clarifying Labour's position. Would

you like another go?

No, I think

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that do the job very well. What we

are saying is that we want the

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benefits of the single market and

the is that we want the benefits of

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the single market and the customs

union, but to ignore the fact that

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there was a clear message from many

people about free movement of labour

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would be just to stick hands over

our ears and pretend...

Is it your

0:21:090:21:13

position that we should stay as

members of the single market?

Well,

0:21:130:21:19

without getting too legalistic about

it, we are going to need a new

0:21:190:21:23

treaty, so you can't just stay as

members of the single market because

0:21:230:21:26

we are members by virtue of our

membership of the EU, which ends up

0:21:260:21:30

the end of March next year, so we

need a new treaty.

Sure that new

0:21:300:21:36

treaty include membership of the

single market?

Won't include

0:21:360:21:40

membership of the single market

because it will be a new treaty and

0:21:400:21:43

we won't be members of the same way

that we are now. How closely we dock

0:21:430:21:49

the single market, for a better way

of putting it, needs to be

0:21:490:21:53

negotiated. There are some aspects

of membership that I don't think the

0:21:530:21:55

country is content with and that we

would want to negotiate around.

0:21:550:22:00

Powers that different from the

Government's position?

Because the

0:22:000:22:04

Government has taken membership of

the single market and the customs

0:22:040:22:06

union of the table and the Labour

Party hasn't.

So you might still be

0:22:060:22:11

members of the single market?

We

have said we will accept a

0:22:110:22:15

transitional period on the same

terms have now it that is very

0:22:150:22:19

different to what the Government

same, although I will say it is very

0:22:190:22:22

hard to square the circle of the end

of the phase one negotiations and

0:22:220:22:28

the very serious, solemn commitments

that were made there, and the

0:22:280:22:31

Florens speech, which says that

we're not going to be part of these

0:22:310:22:35

institutions. How can we have it

both ways?

I still don't have any

0:22:350:22:39

idea whether Labour thinks we should

stay members not after the

0:22:390:22:42

transition period. On the transition

period, will we stay members of the

0:22:420:22:47

single market during the transition

period?

I don't noted that is

0:22:470:22:51

something we are going to be

debating.

Government is about to

0:22:510:22:57

begin negotiations. Don't you need

to have your position determined?

0:22:570:23:01

You're quite right, beginning

negotiations, not ending.

You can't

0:23:010:23:06

begin negotiations if you don't know

what you're going to us.

I think it

0:23:060:23:09

is clear that what will command the

majority of the public is something

0:23:090:23:12

that is compatible with the about to

leave the EU and that means we

0:23:120:23:16

cannot remain members of the single

market or the customs...

During the

0:23:160:23:19

transition?

Afterwards. Obviously, I

think the public out there want to

0:23:190:23:27

see as many of the benefits and

advantages...

You are both saying

0:23:270:23:31

that but at least Labour has been, I

think, still very unclear on the end

0:23:310:23:36

stage but clearer than you are on

the transition because you would

0:23:360:23:39

stay in the single market for the

transition as members and you do

0:23:390:23:42

stay in the customs union. Will we

stay in the customs union for the

0:23:420:23:46

transition?

I think there will have

to be some issue around Ireland.

0:23:460:23:53

After we joined the EEC in 1973 of

the height of the troubles, Ireland

0:23:530:23:57

and the UK came together and the

interconnection between our two

0:23:570:23:59

countries remains as strong as ever

but then needs to be some, dare I

0:23:590:24:04

say, fudged deal in relation to

Ireland's.

I'm very pleased to hear

0:24:040:24:08

you say that.

The Cabinet

subcommittee that was meant to

0:24:080:24:11

discuss this on Monday, the papers

were withdrawn still we still don't

0:24:110:24:14

know. One final thing. Will free

movement as we currently have it

0:24:140:24:19

continue for the transition period?

I don't know. I suspect...

You don't

0:24:190:24:25

know? You are in the Foreign Office.

It is part of a negotiation.

I've

0:24:250:24:33

done negotiations, I don't know if

you have. So how it works is, one

0:24:330:24:38

side says, "This is what we would

like," and the other side says,

0:24:380:24:42

"This is what we would like," and

then you negotiate to try to bring

0:24:420:24:47

the two sides together. But if you

don't tell us, "This is what we

0:24:470:24:51

would like," how do you negotiate?

There was no settled position and it

0:24:510:24:56

will be part parcel of the

negotiations.

A referendum was in

0:24:560:25:02

June you triggered Article 50, up

for a year ago, you've done phase

0:25:020:25:08

one of the negotiations, based two

is about to start and you still

0:25:080:25:11

cannot tell us your position on some

of the most fundamental issues?

0:25:110:25:17

There was no settled position on the

transition period, at which point

0:25:170:25:20

free movement as we have it will

then. It will end at some point

0:25:200:25:24

between 2019 and the end of the

transition period.

We will have to

0:25:240:25:29

end this conversation now. Probably

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Now, you're having the builders in -

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0:25:410:25:45

and rubble to keep and eye

on them or move out and let

0:25:450:25:48

them get on with it?

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Do you just move down the road

or would a few years in the country

0:25:490:25:53

widen your horizons?

0:25:530:25:54

What about those elderly relatives

in the House of Lords -

0:25:540:25:56

should they stay put?

0:25:560:25:57

Then there are all the interior

finishes to decide on -

0:25:570:26:00

should it be marble or granite

in the bathrooms?

0:26:000:26:02

Decisions, decisions.

0:26:020:26:03

Perhaps, when they vote

on plans for the restoration

0:26:030:26:05

and refurbishment of the Palace

of Westminster this afternoon,

0:26:050:26:07

MPs should just put the whole thing

off until 2022, at least,

0:26:070:26:13

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It's coming up to midday here -

just take a look at Big Ben -

0:28:210:28:27

and that can mean only one thing.

0:28:270:28:29

Yes, Prime Minister's

Questions is on its way.

0:28:290:28:33

It is without the Prime Minister

because she is in China. She could

0:28:330:28:36

have done it by Skype, I suppose!

Probably the Wi-Fi is not strong

0:28:360:28:40

enough in the House of Commons. Our

deputy political editor jumpy and I

0:28:400:28:45

see it. Laura Kuenssberg is with the

Prime Minister. We will see what

0:28:450:28:50

comes about PMQs. This vote on

restoring parliament and there was a

0:28:500:28:56

decision as to whether it closes

down and they all move on for quite

0:28:560:29:01

a long period, or do they try to do

it while they are still in, which

0:29:010:29:04

will probably be even more

expensive. Either way, a

0:29:040:29:08

multi-million pound project.

And it

decision as to whether you can

0:29:080:29:13

quickly on spending millions of

pounds on doing at the Palace of

0:29:130:29:17

Westminster or you say, let's Paul

Davison principle and then come back

0:29:170:29:19

and talk about it later on.

0:29:190:29:26

and talk about it later on. The

government seems to be curiously

0:29:260:29:28

reluctant to commit to billions of

pounds in a hurry to this building.

0:29:280:29:32

Practically, it would be difficult

to make such a movement but we are

0:29:320:29:35

all aware that politicians and the

Palace of Westminster is not the

0:29:350:29:40

highest regard with a lot people now

and so talking about spending

0:29:400:29:44

billions on anything like a hurry

will not go down well in this time

0:29:440:29:50

of well, some disregard for politics

and politicians.

It is the most

0:29:500:29:54

famous parliamentary building in the

world, it is a UNESCO World Heritage

0:29:540:29:59

site. For those who don't think we

need to refurbish it, what would

0:29:590:30:03

they have us do? Just let it crumble

to dust on the banks of the Thames?

0:30:030:30:07

What would that say of this country?

There was no plan to leave it alone

0:30:070:30:12

and just let it rotten to dust on

the side of the River Thames. There

0:30:120:30:16

was an idea to keep the rolling

repairs going on, which been going

0:30:160:30:19

on for so long. You walk around the

Palace of Westminster and get into

0:30:190:30:23

the sellers and attics and you can

really see the state of the place. A

0:30:230:30:26

lot of work really needs to be done

and you can carry on doing that but

0:30:260:30:29

it is a hugely iconic building, one

of the most famous not just

0:30:290:30:34

Parliamentary buildings but

buildings on the planet. It is a

0:30:340:30:37

source applied to the country. I'm

at risk of sounding like an advocate

0:30:370:30:42

of getting on and doing the job

done. Bovo Blade Runner is pretty

0:30:420:30:47

much exactly that. Let's bite the

bullet and get on with it. It may

0:30:470:30:51

not be passed but even if that is

the case, we will carry on talking

0:30:510:30:57

and watching.

Is it a free vote or

is it a government vote?

It is a

0:30:570:31:04

free vote, so Andrea Leadsom, the

Leader of the House of Commons, is

0:31:040:31:08

putting down this, saying, should we

captured up on web or do this big,

0:31:080:31:12

big job, which as you carry on

talking? Chris Bryant and some big

0:31:120:31:17

Labour MPs are saying, enough

faffing about, let's just commit now

0:31:170:31:20

to what we should do.

What would you

do?

I would commit to get with it. I

0:31:200:31:27

don't fancy decamping. I think we

should commit to doing it and we

0:31:270:31:31

will work around it it up it will be

a bit of a building site.

I

0:31:310:31:36

understand it is that imperative

that John rightly points out of

0:31:360:31:41

spending millions of pounds but it

is iconic building.

Not being a

0:31:410:31:47

builder myself, I would take the

advice that we are being given that

0:31:470:31:50

we all need to clear out of it, do

the work is clearly and sadly as

0:31:500:31:55

possible.

And then you can't go back

in.

Nobody agrees with me that we

0:31:550:32:01

ought to move Parliament to the

north-east of England that have a

0:32:010:32:04

bit of out the glory.

Nobody agrees

with that. Wires that?

I can't

0:32:040:32:12

imagine. We seem to be stuck in

London.

Well, it is the capital.

0:32:120:32:18

Given that, I am having to reconcile

myself to moving out and then

0:32:180:32:22

hopefully being elected again and

going back in.

There is a building

0:32:220:32:26

that has been empty for a while,

quite a new building, the Department

0:32:260:32:30

of Health on Whitehall.

There are

one or two possibilities very near

0:32:300:32:37

to where we are sitting now.

Building over by the Supreme Court

0:32:370:32:41

has been discussed, then there was

was talk of going to Birmingham, and

0:32:410:32:46

if there, why not Darlington, why

not Chesterfield? There will be lots

0:32:460:32:49

of voices calling for all sorts of

movement and that argument is going

0:32:490:32:54

to carry on.

What is the cost? I've

seen a figure, 6 billion.

Roughly 6

0:32:540:33:02

billion is the figure, if there is

such a thing is roughly 6 billion. I

0:33:020:33:05

remember when 6 billion was a lot of

money but it is being discussed. The

0:33:050:33:11

repairs on the Victoria Tower, the

real cost was double the estimate.

0:33:110:33:14

We will go straight over to the

Commons for David Lidington and

0:33:140:33:17

Emily Thornberry.

0:33:170:33:20

A number of Carillion employ use and

former in please live in my

0:33:370:33:40

constituency and indeed, the company

has a training centre in Gateshead

0:33:400:33:47

-- Carillion employees. Will the

government act now to correct a

0:33:470:33:51

similar future corporate theft where

private directors have siphoned off

0:33:510:33:54

what should have been millions of

pounds in pension contributions to

0:33:540:33:59

pay bogus dividend and unearned

corporate bonuses to themselves?

0:33:590:34:02

What action does the government

propose to take?

First of all, Mr

0:34:020:34:08

Speaker, I completely understand the

anxiety that must be affecting the

0:34:080:34:13

apprentices and their families in

the honourable gentleman's

0:34:130:34:17

constituency. He probably heard me

say Jerry last week's debates that

0:34:170:34:21

the construction industry training

board had taken responsibility for

0:34:210:34:26

finding alternative employers to

enable all those in apprentices who

0:34:260:34:31

were with Carillion to continue and

complete their qualifications. They

0:34:310:34:36

are making good progress in that

work but I shall certainly insure

0:34:360:34:40

that the particular concern he has

concerned about Gateshead is brought

0:34:400:34:44

to their attention. On the broader

question, the House will understand

0:34:440:34:49

that it will be wrong for me to

pre-empt findings by an independent

0:34:490:34:55

inquiry by the official receiver but

we have already made clear that we

0:34:550:34:59

will be publishing proposals later

this year to stop directors being

0:34:590:35:03

able to siphon off pension funds in

any way that he described.

Mr

0:35:030:35:11

Speaker, my right honourable friend

will be aware that the country faces

0:35:110:35:14

significant cyber threats from other

countries and from non-state actors.

0:35:140:35:19

He will also be aware that we are

protected from those by our security

0:35:190:35:24

and intelligence services including

the men and women at GCHQ in my own

0:35:240:35:27

county of Gloucestershire. When the

government publishes the results of

0:35:270:35:32

the security review, will he confirm

that we will continue as we have

0:35:320:35:37

since 2010 two invest in those

capabilities to keep our country

0:35:370:35:43

safe?

Mr Speaker, my right

honourable friend is absolutely

0:35:430:35:47

correct and I'm happy to give him

that assurance on behalf of the

0:35:470:35:50

government. The sad truth is, in

this country, we face a growing

0:35:500:35:55

threat of cyber attacks from States,

serious crime gangs and hacking

0:35:550:36:00

groups. We do have a robust strategy

to protect services such as our

0:36:000:36:08

democratic process is underpinned by

2 billion in government investment.

0:36:080:36:13

Thank you, Mr Speaker. Let me start

by welcoming the minister back to

0:36:130:36:17

his role but diving from the Prime

Minister. Last time he did so in

0:36:170:36:22

December 2016, his party was 17

points ahead in the polls, and he

0:36:220:36:26

told the House that the Labour Party

was, I quote, quarrelling like the

0:36:260:36:31

film mutiny on the Bounty, reshot by

the team who made carry on. Well,

0:36:310:36:38

what a difference a year makes!

Oh,

how the tables have turned!

0:36:380:36:47

how the tables have turned!

But I'm

not going to intrude further on the

0:36:470:36:52

government's private grief because I

genuinely hope that we can reach

0:36:520:36:55

consensus across this house today on

a very important issue. Next Tuesday

0:36:550:37:00

will beat the centenary of women

gaining the right to vote in

0:37:000:37:03

Britain, followed later in 1918 by a

second right, to stand for

0:37:030:37:07

Parliament. I'm sure the minister

will agree that we have a long way

0:37:070:37:11

to go in regard to the second right.

After all, I am the only Emily

0:37:110:37:16

elected since 1918, and he is one of

155 Davids. And the women behind me

0:37:160:37:24

on these benches represent one

quarter of all the women elected in

0:37:240:37:28

the last 100 years but it is still

not good enough. So does the

0:37:280:37:32

Minister think, will the Minister

tell us how he can best increase

0:37:320:37:38

female representation in this house?

Mr Speaker, can I first of all thank

0:37:380:37:48

the right honourable lady for her

worlds of welcome and clearly my

0:37:480:37:51

previous remarks struck a chord with

her to have been treasured in the

0:37:510:37:57

way that they clearly have. It's a

delight to me to see the right

0:37:570:38:01

honourable lady still in her place

when no fewer than 97 members of her

0:38:010:38:08

front bench have either been sacked

or resigned since we took office.

0:38:080:38:20

JEERING.

You know, I play credit to her

0:38:210:38:27

sticking power though she must

sometimes whisper to myself, surely

0:38:270:38:31

I'm a celebrity, please get me out

of here!

0:38:310:38:38

The point that she raised is a

serious one. And I think that all

0:38:410:38:48

political parties represented here,

she's right to seek to make this

0:38:480:38:53

conceptual, wants to encourage more

women candidates to come forward. I

0:38:530:38:59

am played that my party, since I was

first elected to 25 years ago, has

0:38:590:39:04

made very considerable progress but

I also accept that there is more to

0:39:040:39:07

be done. I hope that she for her

part will accept that we have now

0:39:070:39:14

had two women leaders and by

minister so they have a bit of

0:39:140:39:16

catching up to do.

I've got to say,

Mr Speaker, that if the party

0:39:160:39:23

opposite is so proud of having a

female leader, why are so many of

0:39:230:39:28

them trying to get rid of her? And

why has she had to run away to China

0:39:280:39:32

to get away from them? But I thank

him for that answer and I totally

0:39:320:39:37

agree with your sentiment. But let

me ask him also about the first

0:39:370:39:45

right that I mentioned. I write that

million to Mecca of women received

0:39:450:39:50

100 years ago this week, the basic

right to vote. It was originally

0:39:500:39:55

restricted to women with property

over the age of 30, then 90 years

0:39:550:39:58

ago was extended to all women over

21, then 50 years ago, to all men

0:39:580:40:02

and women over the age of 18. So can

I ask the minister of simple

0:40:020:40:07

question? How many more years to be

have to wait until the vote is

0:40:070:40:12

extended to everyone over 16?

0:40:120:40:18

extended to everyone over 16?

Mr

Speaker, the age of 18 rather than

0:40:180:40:22

16 is widely recognised as the age

at which one becomes an adult and

0:40:220:40:25

that is when full citizenship rights

are attained. There's only a handful

0:40:250:40:32

of countries in the world that have

a nationwide voting age below 18 and

0:40:320:40:35

we believed that the age of

majority, 18, should continue to be

0:40:350:40:44

the age at which people become

eligible to vote.

The honourable

0:40:440:40:47

gentleman makes international

comparisons but I have to say to the

0:40:470:40:50

Minister that it was this country

and a Labour government that led the

0:40:500:40:53

way in Europe and India speaking

world in reducing the -- and the

0:40:530:40:57

English speaking world and reducing

the age of vote to 18 and where we

0:40:570:41:03

lead others followed, and it will be

the same here. Let me move on to the

0:41:030:41:07

second question I would like to ask

the honourable gentleman. I have

0:41:070:41:11

listened carefully to his answer but

I didn't hear any logical

0:41:110:41:14

explanation for the different rights

that we give 16-year-olds in this

0:41:140:41:18

country. At 16, we are free from

parental control, we can leave home

0:41:180:41:22

and start a family, get married,

start work, pay taxes, join the

0:41:220:41:28

forces, so can the minister give us

a logical explanation why a

0:41:280:41:32

16-year-old should not have the

right to vote?

0:41:320:41:39

right to vote?

Mr Speaker, I am, I

have to say, slightly baffled by the

0:41:390:41:43

honourable lady's comments when

compared with what her party did in

0:41:430:41:47

office. Because it was the last

Labour government that raised the

0:41:470:41:53

legal age for buying cigarettes to

18, raised the age of selling knives

0:41:530:41:59

to 18, raised the age to buy

fireworks to 18, and raised the age

0:41:590:42:04

for using a sunbed to 18.

LAUGHTER

0:42:040:42:11

I think that if she wants a lesson

in inconsistency, she might want to

0:42:110:42:15

examine the mirror.

Mr Speaker, he mentions a range of

0:42:150:42:22

restrictions that we have until the

age of 18 but those are for the most

0:42:220:42:26

part to do with public health,

public sector data and the

0:42:260:42:28

prevention of crime. They are not

the same as the basic right to vote

0:42:280:42:33

on issues that affect your life.

What a heart considered old enough

0:42:330:42:37

-- once you are considered old

enough to make other decisions on

0:42:370:42:41

your life such as leaving school,

leaving home, getting married. Let

0:42:410:42:44

me give the Minister of specific

example.

Order, I'm sure it will not

0:42:440:42:51

have escaped public notice and it is

rather a sad irony, that when a

0:42:510:42:55

woman is addressing the House, quite

a lot of noisy boorish and in one

0:42:550:43:03

case rather stupid individuals are

trying to shout the Right Honourable

0:43:030:43:07

lady down. Cut it out.

Thank you

very much, Mr Speaker. I wanted to

0:43:070:43:14

give the Minister of specific

example to illustrate what I'm

0:43:140:43:17

talking about. According to the

government's own figures, the number

0:43:170:43:21

of 16 and 17-year-olds receiving

carer's allows for looking after

0:43:210:43:25

disabled relatives at home has risen

by more than 50% in four years. --

0:43:250:43:30

carer's allowance. Over 2016 and

17-year-olds last year gave up their

0:43:300:43:36

youth and -- 2000, 1617 -year-olds

last year gave up their youth and

0:43:360:43:42

education to look after relatives.

How can it be fair to expectancies

0:43:420:43:46

take on the responsibility because

of failures of the state and deny

0:43:460:43:50

them the say on how that state is

run?

Mr Speaker, the logic of the

0:43:500:43:55

honourable lady's arguments is that

she wishes to lower the age of

0:43:550:44:00

majority from 18 to 16. She listed a

number of areas in which she

0:44:000:44:07

supported the age at which activity

should be allowed at 18 on grounds

0:44:070:44:13

that only then could people be

expected to have sufficient maturity

0:44:130:44:16

and responsibility to have those

rights. My argument to her is that

0:44:160:44:23

the age of majority should be set

matching both rights and

0:44:230:44:28

responsibilities. And I think that

it is perfectly reasonable to say

0:44:280:44:33

that from the age of 18, we entrust

young men and women to exercise

0:44:330:44:39

those rights and responsible if he's

in full. On Havard Nordtveit -- on

0:44:390:44:46

her final point, it is right that

sensible local authorities have

0:44:460:44:50

particular care for the role of

young carers, and in my experience,

0:44:500:44:54

local authorities, whichever party

runs them, makes every effort to do

0:44:540:44:57

that.

I'm genuinely surprised at the

Minister's response because after

0:44:570:45:02

all, this is what he said two years

ago speaking to the youth

0:45:020:45:05

Parliament. And let me quote him.

When the voice and the vote of young

0:45:050:45:11

people is absent, decisions are made

that affect young people's lives

0:45:110:45:13

that they have not always chosen. So

not for the first time in these

0:45:130:45:19

exchanges, I've got to say, Mr

Speaker, I agree with the Minister.

0:45:190:45:22

All of us on this side agree with

the Minister. So why does he no

0:45:220:45:26

longer agree with himself?

Well, if

she had been with me at the youth

0:45:260:45:34

Parliament which was indeed a

memorable and enjoyable occasion,

0:45:340:45:37

she would have discovered that a

significant number of the young men

0:45:370:45:41

and women there were actually over

voting age. But I fully support the

0:45:410:45:46

role that the youth Parliament does,

the role that their members do

0:45:460:45:52

throughout the country, the role

that organisations like school

0:45:520:45:56

councils do, in getting young people

used to the idea of exercising

0:45:560:46:00

democratic responsibility. That

seems to me and excellent training

0:46:000:46:03

for the full adult responsibility is

that they will inherit when they are

0:46:030:46:06

18, and I hope and encourage more

young people to go out and vote.

0:46:060:46:14

He says he was only talking about

18-year-olds but you were there. He

0:46:140:46:20

was talking to 370 under 18s. But

what these discussions have revealed

0:46:200:46:26

is that there is no logical

principled objection to votes at 16.

0:46:260:46:31

That is why the Welsh and Scottish

Government support it, that is why

0:46:310:46:34

every single political party in this

House supports it, except, of

0:46:340:46:40

course, the Conservative Party and

the DUP. Once again, joined in

0:46:400:46:44

opposition to change. They're not

the Coalition of chaos, Mr Speaker,

0:46:440:46:50

they are the Coalition of cavemen.

But does the Minister... And does

0:46:500:46:57

the Minister not realise the

lesson...

Order! Order! One member

0:46:570:47:04

who thinks he knows what he is

talking about is gesticulating at me

0:47:040:47:08

and the answer is, it is a matter of

taste, not of order, and it

0:47:080:47:12

shouldn't escape somebody of great

intelligence.

I was talking about

0:47:120:47:16

cavemen and what I wanted to say was

this... Why doesn't the Minister

0:47:160:47:21

realise the lesson that we women

taught his predecessors 100 years

0:47:210:47:27

ago - when changes it cannot be

resisted for ever, and this is a

0:47:270:47:31

change time has come.

0:47:310:47:39

change time has come.

Mr Speaker, I

think my advice to the right

0:47:390:47:41

honourable lady is to wean herself

off the habit of watching old

0:47:410:47:47

versions of the Flintstones on the

relevant cartoon channel. I just

0:47:470:47:53

think that we ought to salute the

fact that not just the parliament

0:47:530:48:00

but many schools and other youth

organisations throughout the country

0:48:000:48:04

are working hard to get young people

use to the idea that as they grow

0:48:040:48:08

up, they should take an interest in

current affairs and then when they

0:48:080:48:13

reach the relevant age exercise the

full rights and responsibilities of

0:48:130:48:16

an adult by participating in

elections and in political

0:48:160:48:22

campaigning. But the situation we

have here, Mr Speaker, with the

0:48:220:48:25

national voting age at 18, is one

that is followed by 26 out of 27

0:48:250:48:32

other members of the European Union,

by the United States, Canada, New

0:48:320:48:38

Zealand and Australia. Unless she is

going to denounce all of those

0:48:380:48:44

countries as somehow inadequate to

her own particular standards, then

0:48:440:48:50

quite honestly, Mr Speaker, I wish

she ought to grow up and try and

0:48:500:48:55

treat the subject with a greater

degree of seriousness.

Thank you, Mr

0:48:550:49:01

Speaker. The government's attacks

has made what the UK one of the most

0:49:010:49:09

competitive basis to do business so

does my right arable friend agree

0:49:090:49:11

that raising tax would damage the UK

economy, as we have seen in

0:49:110:49:17

Scotland, where growth has fallen

behind the rest of the UK?

Mr

0:49:170:49:24

Speaker, I'm very happy to agree

with my rubble friend. We did

0:49:240:49:28

devolve promise has new powers to

Hollywood and it is obviously for

0:49:280:49:31

the Scottish Government to determine

how to use them. It is a matter of

0:49:310:49:35

great regret that they have chosen

to use those powers to break their

0:49:350:49:40

promises and penalised aspiration in

Scotland's. In our own budget, we

0:49:400:49:46

increased the Scottish Government's

spending power by £2 billion, so the

0:49:460:49:51

SNP have no excuse for hiking the

taxes of hard-working people,

0:49:510:49:56

including public servants, and

penalising businesses. The leader of

0:49:560:50:02

the Scottish Nationalists in

Westminster used to champion wealth

0:50:020:50:05

creation and free enterprise. I hope

he will ask the First Minister of

0:50:050:50:08

Scotland to think again.

0:50:080:50:13

Thank you, Mr Speaker. Can I welcome

the Minister to his place. If

0:50:180:50:22

reports are true, he may be

auditioning for a new role and I

0:50:220:50:27

wonder if he is sending out a

heart-warming letter. And if you are

0:50:270:50:33

single market is essential to the

Government's agenda for trade and

0:50:330:50:40

competitiveness. Since Buzzfeed

published the analysis, does the

0:50:400:50:46

Minister recognise that the single

market is essential for jobs and

0:50:460:50:49

prosperity? Mr Speaker, when we

leave the EU next March, we will, as

0:50:490:50:57

a matter of legality, leave the

single market and the EU customs

0:50:570:51:04

union. The Prime Minister and the

entire Government have set out in

0:51:040:51:08

both the Lancaster House and

Florence speeches, also making it

0:51:080:51:12

clear that we are seeking a new

partnership with our neighbours in

0:51:120:51:17

the European Union that ensures that

we continue to have frictionless

0:51:170:51:20

trade, which is the interest of not

just our people but the people of

0:51:200:51:25

every one of the 27 EU countries.

Thank you, Mr Speaker. I must say I

0:51:250:51:32

am surprised at the Minister because

it is not a question... Or we are

0:51:320:51:37

going to be an transitional deal and

will still be in the single market.

0:51:370:51:42

This is a Government in crisis and

an international embarrassment. The

0:51:420:51:49

Chancellor, the Scottish Secretary,

the Scottish Conservatives, the Home

0:51:490:51:53

Secretary have all supported

membership of the single market.

0:51:530:51:57

Despite this, the Government is

still prepared to make everyone

0:51:570:52:01

poorer. Where is the leadership?

0:52:010:52:07

poorer. Where is the leadership?

Mr

Speaker, the leadership which the

0:52:080:52:11

right honourable gentleman wants was

set out very clearly both that

0:52:110:52:15

Lancaster House and then again in

Florence, and by right on oral

0:52:150:52:18

friend the Prime Minister will be

making further speeches on these

0:52:180:52:21

issues in the weeks and months to

come. But can I just say to the

0:52:210:52:27

honourable gentleman that the most

important single market to the

0:52:270:52:32

people of Scotland is the single

market of the United Kingdom, which

0:52:320:52:41

is worth nearly £50 billion every

year to the Scottish economy, four

0:52:410:52:47

times more than trade with the

European Union. It is our deep and

0:52:470:52:52

special partnership with the EU in

the future that will help deliver

0:52:520:52:56

prosperity to Scotland, not the

separatist policies pursued by the

0:52:560:53:00

Scottish National Party.

I know my

right honourable friend shares my

0:53:000:53:07

passion for ensuring that all

children get opportunity to succeed,

0:53:070:53:12

regardless of who they are or where

they come from. Can he confirm what

0:53:120:53:16

progress the Government has made in

reducing the attainment gap between

0:53:160:53:19

less well off second risk pupils and

their peers, and that positive

0:53:190:53:25

impact of when the next preschool

applications will open?

He is

0:53:250:53:32

absolutely right and the

Government's clear ambition and

0:53:320:53:35

purpose is to ensure that our school

system works for every child in

0:53:350:53:42

every community in this country. Our

reforms have already raised school

0:53:420:53:47

standards. We are seeing now nearly

2 million more children attending

0:53:470:53:50

good and outstanding schools and the

attainment gap between disadvantaged

0:53:500:53:55

pupils on their peers has shrunk by

10% at GCSE and 10.5% at key stage

0:53:550:54:01

two since 2011. I know education

ministers will be happy to talk to

0:54:010:54:06

my honourable friend about their

plans further to improve standards

0:54:060:54:09

in schools.

Mr Speaker, last Sunday

in my constituency, 17-year-old was

0:54:090:54:17

stabbed with life changing results.

The knife crime across our country

0:54:170:54:24

is not being driven by my nose and

young people but driven by

0:54:240:54:31

gangsters, organised criminals and

dirty money. -- driven by miners.

0:54:310:54:35

Cocaine alone is driven £12 million

in this country, so I asked the

0:54:350:54:44

Minister, why are we cutting our

Border Force, why are we cutting our

0:54:440:54:48

police and why has London been

offered only in their violence

0:54:480:54:52

reduction strategy a community fund

of more 5p. You could not buy a

0:54:520:54:58

house for not .5 million in London.

--

Can I first say that I, like

0:54:580:55:06

every other member of this House,

would have nothing but the most

0:55:060:55:11

heartfelt sympathy for the victim

himself and for his family and

0:55:110:55:18

friends at the most appalling

experience that they have endured

0:55:180:55:22

and are still living through. The

honourable gentleman is right to say

0:55:220:55:26

that there are complex causes to

what we are seeing in terms of knife

0:55:260:55:32

crime. There is no doubt, I agree

with him, that organised crime is

0:55:320:55:36

contributing to this, and organised

crime is exploiting young people who

0:55:360:55:44

they try to groom to attract into

criminal gangs and the Government is

0:55:440:55:49

to publish later this year a violent

crime strategy that will be not just

0:55:490:55:55

to look at the criminal justice

system but how we work effectively

0:55:550:56:01

with all other agencies to ensure

that young people are diverted away

0:56:010:56:06

from that sort of activity in the

first place. But it is also true

0:56:060:56:09

that we have... If you carry a

knife, you can expect to end up in

0:56:090:56:15

jail. We have toughened and

sentences and we have protected,

0:56:150:56:18

despite what he said, police

budgets. A quarter of all police are

0:56:180:56:23

in London.

Demand full school places

in the London Borough of Bromley are

0:56:230:56:31

forecast to grow by some 20 present

over coming years but repeatedly

0:56:310:56:37

proposals for much-needed schools

have been delayed in no small

0:56:370:56:40

measure because of concerns at the

way the educational schools funding

0:56:400:56:44

agency has handled the planning

application process. On behalf of

0:56:440:56:49

the Prime Minister, will my right

honourable friend agreed to meet me

0:56:490:56:52

to discuss the very real concerns

that local parents have out of the

0:56:520:56:57

competency of the agency?

Can I say

either I or my right horrible friend

0:56:570:57:01

the Education Secretary will be

happy to talk to him. The purpose of

0:57:010:57:06

the education and Skills Funding

Agency formed at the start of this

0:57:060:57:09

financial year was to provide a more

joined up approach to funding,

0:57:090:57:13

covering schools, colleges and other

providers. I do note that Bromley

0:57:130:57:18

has increased both primary and

secondary school capacity by more

0:57:180:57:22

than 6300 places since 2010 and the

ESF a is delivering nine schools in

0:57:220:57:29

Bromley but there is more work to be

done and ministers will gladly talk

0:57:290:57:32

to my honourable friend about that.

Recent research shows that

0:57:320:57:36

international students are worth a

staggering £20 billion to the UK

0:57:360:57:41

economy. That research was

commissioned by Nick Hillman, who

0:57:410:57:43

was the Conservative Party candidate

in green ridge in 2010 and a former

0:57:430:57:48

adviser to Lord Willets, yet the

policies of the Prime Minister have

0:57:480:57:51

stopped that steady increase of a

number of international students

0:57:510:57:54

commit our country. Does he agree

with me this is a touch careless of

0:57:540:57:59

the Prime Minister to have

squandered the billions of pounds

0:57:590:58:01

that could have been available to

our schools and hospitals?

Mr

0:58:010:58:07

Speaker, what the facts actually say

is that we are the second most

0:58:070:58:09

popular destination in the world for

students, and university sponsored

0:58:090:58:15

these applications are up by nearly

one fifth since 2010 so I would

0:58:150:58:21

argue that contrary to what he

alleges, we are doing a good job in

0:58:210:58:25

attracting international students.

South Dorset is the most beautiful

0:58:250:58:30

constituency in the whole of the

United Kingdom.

No, it is not!

So

0:58:300:58:40

improving the infrastructure is

difficult, to create jobs and

0:58:400:58:43

prosperity. What we can do is

improve our rail links on the

0:58:430:58:47

Salisbury line and Yeovil Junction

to get faster trains to Weymouth.

0:58:470:58:51

Will my right honourable friend

reassure my constituents and me that

0:58:510:58:55

the Government is behind this scheme

to do exactly what the Government

0:58:550:58:59

wants, to create more wealth and

prosperity in South Dorset?

Mr

0:58:590:59:04

Speaker, as my honourable friend

will know, the Chancellor last year

0:59:040:59:08

set aside a very considerable sum of

money, more than £20 billion, to

0:59:080:59:16

finance infrastructure improvements,

rail, road and broadband, in order

0:59:160:59:20

to generate growth around the

country and to facilitate housing

0:59:200:59:24

development. I know my honourable

friend's constituency is one that

0:59:240:59:28

has seen considerable housing

development in recent years. I will

0:59:280:59:32

ensure that transport ministers talk

to him about the particular concerns

0:59:320:59:36

he has expressed.

On the 25th of

January 1985, the Conservative

0:59:360:59:40

government promised there would be

no nuclear waste dumped in

0:59:400:59:44

Billingham on a mine. Will be

confirmed that that promise still

0:59:440:59:48

stands?

He will have to forgive me

if I say that my memory for

0:59:480:59:55

statements that were given in 1985

is a little bit rusty. It was seven

0:59:551:00:01

years before even I was first

elected to this House. I will look

1:00:011:00:05

into the point that he has raised

and I will write to him to set up

1:00:051:00:08

the position.

To secure our future

prosperity and to meet the

1:00:081:00:16

employment challenge posed by

artificial intelligence, this

1:00:161:00:19

country has an urgent need to

improve its digital skills base.

1:00:191:00:24

Will my right honourable friend

therefore congratulate the open

1:00:241:00:27

University in my constituency for

securing a leading role in the

1:00:271:00:31

Government's new Institute of

coding?

Can I first of all join my

1:00:311:00:36

honourable friend in congratulating

the open University for securing

1:00:361:00:39

that lead role in the Institute of

coding. I think the Institute is

1:00:391:00:43

going to be a very important new

initiative to get universities to

1:00:431:00:46

work together closely with

businesses to develop specialist

1:00:461:00:51

coding skills, and the Government is

investing £84 million to deliver a

1:00:511:00:56

comprehends a programme to improve

the teaching of the computer

1:00:561:00:59

curriculum. We look forward to

working closely with the University

1:00:591:01:03

and the Institute.

1:01:031:01:08

After ten years of this country, my

constituent missed out on the right

1:01:091:01:12

to indefinite leave bite into two

days when she went away from the

1:01:121:01:18

country and broke a leg making it

unable for her to come back. She has

1:01:181:01:23

to wait ten years to apply again

which means that she will be unable

1:01:231:01:27

to adopt a child which might be the

only way she could have family in

1:01:271:01:30

this country. Can we have a meeting

to discuss this in Justice when she

1:01:301:01:34

returns?

1:01:341:01:38

returns?

I don't know more about the

detail about the case went the

1:01:381:01:42

honourable gentleman has just

described in the House, but like

1:01:421:01:48

many members, I have immigration

casework my constituency so I'm

1:01:481:01:52

familiar with the type of problem

that he has described. If you would

1:01:521:01:55

like to write to me after these

exchanges, setting out the details,

1:01:551:01:59

I will discuss that with my right

honourable friend the Home Secretary

1:01:591:02:02

and the relevant minister will meet

him.

Last week, I visited RNAs

1:02:021:02:10

called Rose as part of the Armed

Forces polymer tree scheme and was

1:02:101:02:15

delighted to see an outreach

programme to promote skills to the

1:02:151:02:20

local community in STEM. Does he

agree that these initiatives to

1:02:201:02:26

inspire the skills of the Armed

Forces and the country will need to

1:02:261:02:28

succeed in the future and their

approach at cold the area should be

1:02:281:02:37

defended?

He raises an important

point, I did know about the

1:02:371:02:43

important role that STEM plays in

the life of Cornwall but he has

1:02:431:02:48

highlighted the

1:02:481:02:53

highlighted the work of Culdrose in

the science and mathematics skills

1:02:531:03:00

that we will need in the growing

economy highlighted in the

1:03:001:03:04

government strategy and what he has

described as happening at Culdrose

1:03:041:03:08

will go towards that.

It is an

extraordinary fact that this year,

1:03:081:03:16

last year, every for over a decade,

one London Borough, the London

1:03:161:03:21

Borough of Islington, has received

more arts Council funding than the

1:03:211:03:29

entirety combined of the Midlands

and Northern X coalfield

1:03:291:03:34

communities. Who is going to be

brave enough to reverse this is

1:03:341:03:45

equity so that my constituents,

especially young constituents, can

1:03:451:03:49

have fair and equitable access to

arts funding?

Well, I'm not sure

1:03:491:03:55

whether that was meant as an attack

directed on the Right Honourable

1:03:551:04:00

member for Islington North or

Islington South. But what I can say,

1:04:001:04:08

to the honourable judgment, is this,

obviously if there is a particular

1:04:081:04:11

bid that he feels was unfairly

treated, he is welcome to take that

1:04:111:04:18

up with the new arts minister who I

know will want to examine that case

1:04:181:04:21

carefully. But in general terms,

more than half of the arts funding

1:04:211:04:25

in England is awarded to arts

activities outside Greater London.

1:04:251:04:34

Mr Speaker, holiday homes in

Cornwall are a mixed blessing. They

1:04:341:04:37

provide important support our local

economy but they also take up

1:04:371:04:42

vitally needed housing stock and

push up prices beyond the reach of

1:04:421:04:46

many local people. In addition, many

of them avoid paying council tax by

1:04:461:04:51

switching to business use and

enjoying the benefits of small

1:04:511:04:55

business rate relief. Does my right

on role boyfriend agree with me that

1:04:551:04:57

this

1:04:571:05:01

-- does my right honourable friend

agree with me that this situation is

1:05:011:05:04

unsustainable and he will find a way

to post this loophole?

He raises a

1:05:041:05:09

valid point, it is clearly right

that holiday owners should pay the

1:05:091:05:13

correct tax. The individual

decisions on council tax and

1:05:131:05:19

business tax rates on the properties

rests with the department which is

1:05:191:05:25

independent of ministers, but if a

property is available for rent for

1:05:251:05:30

140 days or more year it is subject

for business rates, and if he does

1:05:301:05:33

not meet this test, council tax is

due. If an individual provides false

1:05:331:05:39

information to seek business rate

relief, that person is liable to

1:05:391:05:42

summary conviction or a fine or

both.

Mr Speaker, the Prime Minister

1:05:421:05:49

wants to bring forward legislation

to tackle domestic violence and

1:05:491:05:52

abuse. But her government is

currently taxing the same survivors

1:05:521:05:57

for using the child maintenance

service. For survivors of domestic

1:05:571:06:02

abuse, using the collect and pay

service is not a matter of choice,

1:06:021:06:08

it is a matter of safety. Will he

urged the Prime Minister to commit

1:06:081:06:11

to using this bill to scrap the tax

for survivor Primakov domestic

1:06:111:06:15

abuse?

-- survivors of domestic

abuse? There is a government

1:06:151:06:24

consultation imminent and I would

urge her to make representations to

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that.

1:06:281:06:34

that.

Thank you, Mr Speaker.

Following last year's terrorist

1:06:341:06:37

attack in Manchester, the government

has committed £24 million to the

1:06:371:06:40

city. The effect being felt across

the area and in my constituency,

1:06:401:06:45

will the government give an

assurance that they will continue to

1:06:451:06:47

support Manchester?

We will

certainly continue to support

1:06:471:06:53

Manchester, right across government.

Through the various agencies and

1:06:531:06:58

spending programmes that government

has a available. And I think that

1:06:581:07:04

the Manchester area demonstrated

last year its resilience and strong

1:07:041:07:09

sense of community identity and

purpose, and I think that will serve

1:07:091:07:12

it well economically and socially in

the years ahead.

The whole house

1:07:121:07:18

will warmly welcome the fantastic

news which has saved thousands of

1:07:181:07:23

news at bombardier in Northern

Ireland. And we should pay tribute

1:07:231:07:31

to the management of Bombardier in

Northern Ireland and Canada, the

1:07:311:07:40

workforce and unions who worked well

together, the honourable members on

1:07:401:07:44

this bench and the government who

went in very strongly to support the

1:07:441:07:48

company. Can I I urge the Chancellor

of the Duchy of Lancaster to get

1:07:481:07:55

behind improving manufacturer

1:07:551:07:59

of the Duchy of Lancaster to get

behind improving manufacturing in

1:07:591:08:00

Northern Ireland? , gently urge the

government, which I know always

1:08:001:08:05

listens very carefully, to get on

with it?

Can I first of all thank

1:08:051:08:13

the right honourable gentleman for

his word and although it is a few

1:08:131:08:17

years ago since I had the

opportunity to visit Bombardier in

1:08:171:08:24

Belfast, Ireland how important that

enterprise is for the provision of

1:08:241:08:29

high-quality -- I remember how

important it is for the provision of

1:08:291:08:36

high-quality work in the area. The

government worked closely with

1:08:361:08:40

leaders and politicians, in Northern

Ireland, the Prime Minister rate --

1:08:401:08:47

rate this with President Trump and

Justin Trudeau in Canada and we have

1:08:471:08:51

been very active, we are pleased by

the outcome. You can rest assured

1:08:511:08:56

the government will remain a strong

supporter of business in Northern

1:08:561:09:01

Ireland but I would perhaps add that

the sooner we can get back to

1:09:011:09:05

devolved government in Northern

Ireland, the easier it will be to

1:09:051:09:09

ensure the practical benefits

flowing back to Northern Ireland.

1:09:091:09:16

flowing back to Northern Ireland.

A

vibrant high Street is critical in

1:09:171:09:19

traditional market towns like

Knaresborough in my constituency

1:09:191:09:22

where there has been a market since

1310. In this age of Internet

1:09:221:09:28

shopping, will my right honourable

friend confirmed the government

1:09:281:09:31

support for traditional markets and

policies that will boost our high

1:09:311:09:33

streets?

Mr Speaker, my honourable

friend is right to speak up on

1:09:331:09:40

behalf of his constituents, I know

he is a tireless campaigner for

1:09:401:09:43

Harrogate and Knaresborough. And

markets like the one in

1:09:431:09:49

Knaresborough are part of the local

fabric and tradition of towns right

1:09:491:09:53

across this country. The government

wants to help those markets and town

1:09:531:10:01

centres to prosper in what is at the

same time a rapidly changing retail

1:10:011:10:06

environment, and I'm sure the right

honourable friend the community

1:10:061:10:10

Secretary will write to him with

further details.

Lincoln's walk-in

1:10:101:10:14

centre will close in a few weeks

despite the fact that there is

1:10:141:10:18

inconsistent and inconsistent

service provision in place to

1:10:181:10:22

mitigate the closure. Will the

Minister pass on to the Prime

1:10:221:10:26

Minister my request to meet meet to

discuss review of that closure?

If

1:10:261:10:31

she would like to set out a bit more

detail, than she has had the time to

1:10:311:10:38

do today, I will ensure that a

minister sees her about this.

Thank

1:10:381:10:45

you, Mr Speaker. Next Wednesday, we

will be assessing and voting on the

1:10:451:10:50

local government finance settlement.

A group of us from the shire

1:10:501:10:53

counties are very concerned that

there is not enough money for rural

1:10:531:11:01

counties like ours when adult social

care costs are spiralling out of

1:11:011:11:09

control, in my own county we have a

black hole the £10 million. What

1:11:091:11:13

message should I take back to the

leader of my counsel?

That is

1:11:131:11:19

thicker, I think one -- Mr Speaker,

I think one message to send to my

1:11:191:11:25

honourable friend is the government

has made an extra £2 billion in

1:11:251:11:31

funding available to local

authorities, particularly for social

1:11:311:11:34

care. And local authorities are

obviously deciding at this moment

1:11:341:11:38

whether they use the more flexible

powers that they have in respect of

1:11:381:11:44

social care. I know my honourable

friend met my right noble friend,

1:11:441:11:49

the community secretary a few days

ago, and I would encourage him to

1:11:491:11:57

continue to talk to the community

secretary and other ministers in

1:11:571:12:00

that department about the particular

circumstances in Shropshire.

The

1:12:001:12:05

current edition of the Economist

magazine carries an article which

1:12:051:12:09

says that the hostile takeover bid

for GKN by Melrose, quote, costs

1:12:091:12:16

down not only on the survival of

GKN, Britain's third largest and

1:12:161:12:20

independent aerospace defence firm,

but the rest of the industry as

1:12:201:12:25

well. The honourable gentleman knows

that when national security issues

1:12:251:12:29

are involved, ministers have the

power to intervene to protect the

1:12:291:12:32

public interest. Will they do so in

this case?

As I understand it, the

1:12:321:12:38

bid for GKN is being examined by the

relevant independent authorities,

1:12:381:12:48

clearly this is something that the

appropriate ministers in defence and

1:12:481:12:52

business departments will be

monitoring closely. It would be

1:12:521:12:55

wrong of me to spec in more detail

about this case for now.

--

1:12:551:12:59

speculate in more detail. My

constituency of Chelmsford is a very

1:12:591:13:04

popular place to live. And this

week, we've had very good news that

1:13:041:13:09

there are more first-time buyers

getting on the housing ladder than

1:13:091:13:15

any time in the past decade. Can my

right honourable friend update us on

1:13:151:13:19

the progress the government is

making to help people to buy a

1:13:191:13:23

house?

Mr Speaker, I'm pleased to be

able to say that the number of

1:13:231:13:30

first-time buyers is now at the

highest level for about ten years.

1:13:301:13:33

And that is a tribute to the various

initiatives that both the community

1:13:331:13:40

secretary and the Chancellor of the

Exchequer have put in place to

1:13:401:13:43

introduce us time buyers, things

like the cut in stamp duty -- Raqqa

1:13:431:13:47

first-time buyers, things like the

cut in stamp duty which will benefit

1:13:471:13:54

95% of first-time buyers. We need to

improve housing supply and

1:13:541:13:58

constituencies like hers and mine

are showing the way to the rest of

1:13:581:14:00

the country about the need to build

houses to meet the legitimate

1:14:001:14:04

demands and expectations of young

people who are working incredibly

1:14:041:14:07

hard and want to get a foot on the

housing ladder.

To order.

1:14:071:14:13

Prime Minister's Questions comes to

women without the prior minister,

1:14:191:14:21

who is in China. We watched David

Livingstone and Emily Thornberry for

1:14:211:14:27

Labour, the Shadow Foreign

Secretary. Emily Thornberry

1:14:271:14:31

surprised us all by going on...

First aborted at about the centenary

1:14:311:14:36

of women's votes, then about

increased female representation. --

1:14:361:14:43

first she talked about the

Centenary... Shoot talked about why

1:14:431:14:47

the Government was against cutting

the voting age from 18 to 16 for

1:14:471:14:50

Westminster elections. It is more in

some of the devolved government in

1:14:501:14:58

Scotland and Wales but she wants, as

is Labour policy, to cut the voting

1:14:581:15:03

age to 16 but Mr Lidington was

having nothing of it. He said there

1:15:031:15:07

were a lot of rights you didn't get

on to you 18, including the right,

1:15:071:15:13

which I didn't know, to rent a

sunbed.

1:15:131:15:20

sunbed. Ms Thornbury snapped back

saying there were young carers who

1:15:201:15:24

have had to love after relatives. We

didn't see that coming and it was

1:15:241:15:30

different. Whether or go any further

is another matter. We will talk

1:15:301:15:34

about it with our panel. We have...

1:15:341:15:39

Foreign Office Minister Mark Field,

1:15:391:15:40

and Shadow Brexit

Minister Jenny Chapman.

1:15:401:15:42

And our deputy political editor

John Pienaar is also here.

1:15:421:15:44

It was an unusual thing to go on.

Not unimportant but unusual, since

1:15:441:15:49

it is not on the agenda at the

moment so it probably won't make any

1:15:491:15:54

of the newscasts later in the day

and tonight but you talked about how

1:15:541:15:58

this was playing to social movement

and this would do well for Labour.

1:15:581:16:05

I'm sure it will, with Theresa May

away and Jeremy Corbyn having a

1:16:051:16:10

break or working in his office, as

the case may be, we saw Emily

1:16:101:16:14

Thornberry making the most of the

dimmed spotlight by going to target

1:16:141:16:18

audience and this stuff is, as we

speak, being and put together to be

1:16:181:16:23

put out online, it isn't already, I

suspect it is. When it comes to the

1:16:231:16:28

audience, a young audience is a

large part of the audience for that

1:16:281:16:32

and we know that Labour is very keen

to reach a younger audiences. There

1:16:321:16:36

was a statistical dispute about how

far younger voters move the market

1:16:361:16:40

the last election. But we do know it

is thought to be a more fertile act

1:16:401:16:44

of political territory for the

Labour Party than other parties. So

1:16:441:16:50

this stuff of Emily Thornberry going

hard for a cut in the voting age

1:16:501:16:54

will look good on social media to a

lot of people.

It is interesting, if

1:16:541:16:59

you are right that this was a

conscious decision to go down this

1:16:591:17:02

route, because it involves saying,

we know this isn't going to make the

1:17:021:17:07

main news tonight on any of the

channels, maybe not make much of the

1:17:071:17:10

24 hour news either after

mid-afternoon, but we don't care,

1:17:101:17:16

because it will go big on social

media and for this week, if not for

1:17:161:17:20

others, that is what is going to

matter to us and we get directly to

1:17:201:17:26

the people that we want to appeal

to, to young voters who may not be

1:17:261:17:30

watching traditional terrestrial

television.

I think that is exactly

1:17:301:17:36

right it took a lot of the time on

Wednesday afternoon at about this

1:17:361:17:39

time in various studios in this

building, we may say, Jeremy Corbyn

1:17:391:17:43

took on too many blows that session.

I don't think they care. It is about

1:17:431:17:48

getting out what they want to the

media they want you to the people

1:17:481:17:51

they want to reach and on many

measures, it is working for them.

1:17:511:17:56

What you make of that?

It is

interesting but I know this is an

1:17:561:18:01

issue Amelie cares deeply about and

has campaigned on for a very long

1:18:011:18:04

time so she doesn't get the

opportunity to deputise for Jeremy

1:18:041:18:07

that often and I'm not surprised

that she should choose that issue on

1:18:071:18:11

a day when... Well, period of time

when we're marking the expansion of

1:18:111:18:16

the franchise, the anniversary of

women getting the vote. I think it

1:18:161:18:20

is a good issue, it is important.

People care about it. I have many

1:18:201:18:25

young people in my constituency

right to me insubordinate, so fair

1:18:251:18:28

play to Emily for actually not going

on was the predictable issues and

1:18:281:18:33

setting out her stall and

campaigning on something that

1:18:331:18:35

matters to her.

It would seem from

Mr Lidington's responses that the

1:18:351:18:42

Government policy is to say, no, we

are going to stay at 18.

I think

1:18:421:18:47

that is right and because in part

David Lidington has was possible to

1:18:471:18:51

the Cabinet office, it was a

constitutional issues that made

1:18:511:18:54

sense and the fact he had all his

facts at his fingertips made me

1:18:541:18:58

wonder whether he had actually been

tipped off in advance.

He wouldn't

1:18:581:19:02

have been. By Labour.

I think wider

discussion was had. I am totally

1:19:021:19:09

behind the Government's position and

I think David put it very clearly

1:19:091:19:14

that actually, at a time when, if

anything, there is a move towards

1:19:141:19:19

regularising at 18 in terms of

smoking, drinking, there was talk of

1:19:191:19:22

a driving licence, or be blue

drivers aged 17 having restrictions

1:19:221:19:28

until they are prospecting birthday,

it makes sense that you have that

1:19:281:19:30

age. Will

You can try that under 18.

There has been some talk about...

1:19:301:19:36

You definitely can colour 17.

My

driving test was 36 years ago! To be

1:19:361:19:49

candid with you, while I agree with

the Government's position of this, I

1:19:491:19:54

think the movement of history will

be against it. Will happen at some

1:19:541:19:57

point and I suspect what Labour will

do as part of their next election

1:19:571:20:02

manifesto, they will make more of

this issue. And what they're doing

1:20:021:20:05

today is appealing to 14-year-olds

who will be that age of the next

1:20:051:20:12

election and it will be part of

their constitutional modernising. I

1:20:121:20:17

often say, until relatively

recently, virtually every single

1:20:171:20:20

general election, the Tories have

done Dikili whelp with women voters

1:20:201:20:25

and we were very much against the

suffragette movement.

I thought

1:20:251:20:32

there were leading tourism the

suffragette movement.

Eventually

1:20:321:20:35

Emily Pankhurst was a great admirer

of Stanley Baldwin.

Mark Field is

1:20:351:20:45

against it but things it will be

inevitable.

I think it would be good

1:20:451:20:55

if the Tories in front of the

inevitable and I know many Labour

1:20:551:21:01

backbenchers agree with their party

on this.

You would reduce the

1:21:011:21:03

overall turnout, wouldn't you?

Wires

that?

Because the turnout among

1:21:031:21:09

younger votes, take the 18 to 25

group, is the lowest of any

1:21:091:21:13

demographic.

Let's seated we've had

many predictions about declining

1:21:131:21:19

turnout in elections over the years

and I think the tide is starting to

1:21:191:21:23

turn. I think the Brexit debate on

the referendum and everything that's

1:21:231:21:27

happening that is of great interest

to young people are changing that.

1:21:271:21:30

We saw the referendum of Scotland,

where 16-year-olds good vote and

1:21:301:21:35

took part on mass. I wouldn't accept

that. I think we need to see...

1:21:351:21:43

Turnout in referenda is far than

general elections.

Absolutely but we

1:21:431:21:49

believe 16-year-olds take it

seriously and take it as a

1:21:491:21:53

responsibility and they did take

part in Scotland.

In-out referendum.

1:21:531:21:57

Will

Well, they can't take part in

other votes so we don't know.

Don't

1:21:571:22:05

16-year-olds have the vote in

Holyrood?

Participation in regional

1:22:051:22:10

and local elections is very small

anyway so it is not really a fair

1:22:101:22:13

comparison.

John, when the cat is

away the mice will play. Mrs May

1:22:131:22:19

headed to China with a very bad

weekend of press, I think we can all

1:22:191:22:27

agree, with lots of criticisms, son

named, some not named, gives her

1:22:271:22:30

leadership. But am I right in

thinking that it is, for the moment,

1:22:301:22:38

given that she is away, the

leadership speculation has not

1:22:381:22:41

gained any momentum?

The speculation

runs on its own momentum but my

1:22:411:22:48

feeling for it is that there is no

imminent danger, imminent danger, to

1:22:481:22:51

Mrs May. No sign of anything

happening any time. The government

1:22:511:23:00

side are in a state of study,

settled instability. They are like a

1:23:001:23:05

volatile compound that could go off

at any moment and like a tube of

1:23:051:23:10

nitroglycerin, which can sit Beverly

peacefully on a shelf for quite a

1:23:101:23:13

wow, it hasn't gone off, until the

time comes to blow up the entire

1:23:131:23:17

building. There will need to be a

catalyst, whether it is a failure of

1:23:171:23:24

command at Downing Street, whether

it is the May local elections, which

1:23:241:23:28

are a problem, worry for the

Conservatives, especially when it

1:23:281:23:32

comes to London, and if we are still

talking about it further down the

1:23:321:23:35

track, the autumn, when we start to

see or do not see some direction of

1:23:351:23:40

travel on Brexit, something which

the Government is on the suit trying

1:23:401:23:43

to get agreement that they can use

as a basis for detailed

1:23:431:23:49

negotiations. If we do not get that

in the autumn, assuming we get

1:23:491:23:52

there, we will see panic in the

Conservative Party, the Brexit side

1:23:521:23:56

in particular, and they are the

force behind this present

1:23:561:23:58

volatility. They were near to

taking, blowing off before Christmas

1:23:581:24:05

and only bad deal on stage one the

talks.

Now everything is quietened

1:24:051:24:09

down. Even despite the reshuffle but

wasn't.

There are sharks in the

1:24:091:24:18

water and it could blow at any

moment it

But for all the huffing

1:24:181:24:21

and puffing and increasing

frustration among many Tories about

1:24:211:24:27

Mrs May's leadership, what keeps her

there is the complete lack of any

1:24:271:24:32

consensus on who should replace.

There was nobody who is active now

1:24:321:24:36

in trying to get her doctorate at

there was no campaign organised or

1:24:361:24:40

disorganised just at the moment. We

are still nowhere near the stage of

1:24:401:24:44

Tory grandees meeting in drawing

rooms in this neighbourhood and

1:24:441:24:47

deciding what to do about the

problem of Theresa May. That

1:24:471:24:50

happened at the end of Margaret

Thatcher's time and is not happening

1:24:501:24:54

now. Although when those meetings

happen, they don't rush to tell the

1:24:541:24:57

likes of me but I get no feeling

that that is happening now. But it

1:24:571:25:00

could kick off and there are people

who would like the prize. When you

1:25:001:25:06

talk to Tory MPs, you hear more top

now that, we got past Boris and

1:25:061:25:12

David Davis, maybe even Amber Rudd,

who is biding her time quietly, and

1:25:121:25:15

there is more talk of, let's just

think about it and go for it with

1:25:151:25:19

names like Tom Tugendhat.

Jumping a

generation?

Yes, not in a lot of way

1:25:191:25:28

but in the kind of conversation we

engage in almost every day of our

1:25:281:25:32

lives.

One of the disincentives for

a leadership election is your

1:25:321:25:36

party's procedures for lecturing a

new leader. There was to be a

1:25:361:25:40

leadership contest there would be

more runners and riders than you

1:25:401:25:43

would get at Aintree. I've heard 18

names that would throw their hats,

1:25:431:25:51

in fact London could run out of

hats!

The difficulty is, anything I

1:25:511:25:56

say we'll just have to speculation

so I'm one to say nothing, other

1:25:561:26:00

than I am willing to speak for my

constituents who want us to get on

1:26:001:26:03

and do the job, a job which needs to

be done. One thing I would say is a

1:26:031:26:08

lot of the speculation about

stalking horses, the rules do not

1:26:081:26:14

accept that. There was an issue that

would go to confidence of the Prime

1:26:141:26:18

Minister but I speak for many MPs,

not just government, but many of my

1:26:181:26:24

colleagues in the government, they

despair of hearing colleagues either

1:26:241:26:27

on social media, on the TV or

airwaves... It is a tough job to do,

1:26:271:26:35

we all know that, and Mrs May is a

very resilient woman who has put

1:26:351:26:40

duty first and I find voters across

the political divide writing to me

1:26:401:26:43

saying that they very much admire...

Resilience is certainly a

1:26:431:26:47

characteristic. There are many other

words you could use as well but I

1:26:471:26:50

think even her critics would agree

the way she hangs on in their...

1:26:501:26:56

This breezy to the question I wanted

to ask you. When we spoke to Labour

1:26:561:27:00

people after the election was out,

after the party conference and even

1:27:001:27:06

at various prices during Mrs May's

leadership, you got the beer you had

1:27:061:27:10

to be ready could be election at any

time. Is that still the feeling

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Labour or are you now beginning to

think, this could just stumbled from

1:27:141:27:19

pillar to post for quite a while?

I

think we would be better with Labour

1:27:191:27:24

led negotiations on the Brexit issue

and I think we would be better with

1:27:241:27:28

a Labour government so we are ready,

we would be very happy to take the

1:27:281:27:32

reins, should that be the country's

wish or should this minority

1:27:321:27:36

Government decide to stand aside.

How would you rate the chances of a

1:27:361:27:43

general election this year?

You are

kidding if you think I'm going to

1:27:431:27:46

try and predict what is going to

happen in politics this year! Last

1:27:461:27:49

year I got it all wrong.

Did do

predict what is going to happen next

1:27:491:27:55

week?

That is the thing.

That the

times we live in now.

I once said

1:27:551:28:03

that in December I said after the

blaze negotiations Wortley vitiated

1:28:031:28:10

-- phase one negotiations were

completed, Theresa May's position

1:28:101:28:14

was secure up. Now you could say she

has got very little chance of making

1:28:141:28:17

it an summer recess, so who knows?

OK, we shall see.

1:28:171:28:22

There's just time to put you out

of your misery and give

1:28:221:28:25

you the answer to Guess The Year.

1:28:251:28:26

The year was...2003.

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We have lost the buzzer! We can't

find it anywhere. I'm looking

1:28:271:28:31

around, there is no sign of the

buzzer. It has gone. So I'm just

1:28:311:28:36

going to go... Oh, we've found the

buzzer!

1:28:361:28:43

buzzer! Stephen Holloway, there is

the buzzer! You have won. The mode

1:28:451:28:53

here says the one o'clock news is

coming up on BBC One. Jo will be

1:28:531:28:58

back tomorrow with another edition

of the Daily Politics. Bye-bye.

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