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Hello and welcome to
the Daily Politics, where we'll be | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
bringing you live coverage
from the City of London | 0:00:07 | 0:00:09 | |
of Theresa May's speech on Brexit
and the UK's future relationship | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
with the EU. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
We're promised it will contain a lot
of detail and some hard truths, | 0:00:15 | 0:00:19 | |
but will it be enough
to satisfy her critics at home and | 0:00:19 | 0:00:21 | |
unlock negotiations with Brussels. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:27 | |
Welcome to the show. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:28 | |
We're expecting the Prime Minister
to begin speaking shortly. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
She arrived at the Mansion House
a short while ago, that's the home | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
and office of the Lord Mayor
of London - she was meant to be | 0:00:34 | 0:00:38 | |
delivering this speech in Newcastle
but the bad weather put | 0:00:38 | 0:00:40 | |
paid to that. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:44 | |
I'm joined today by two MPs
who are very keen to hear | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
what she's got to say,
they've got very different | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
views on Brexit and they
are the Conservative MP | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
Anne-Marie Trevelyan
and the Labour MP Emma Reynolds. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
Welcome both of you. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:56 | |
We've been told that Mrs May has set
five tests for a future | 0:00:56 | 0:01:02 | |
trade deal with the EU. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:03 | |
So what are they? | 0:01:03 | 0:01:04 | |
She'll say the deal
must respect the result | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
of the 2016 EU referendum. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:08 | |
Provide a lasting solution that
will endure for years. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
She'll say the deal must
protect jobs and security | 0:01:11 | 0:01:15 | |
in the UK and the EU,
Maintain the UK as a modern, | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
outward-looking, tolerant European
democracy And she'll say it must | 0:01:18 | 0:01:23 | |
strengthen, not weaken, the ties
between the four nations of the UK. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:31 | |
Anne-Marie Trevelyan, what do you
want to hear her say? We saw this | 0:01:35 | 0:01:40 | |
week, the EU's attempt which at this
shocking suggestion that somehow a | 0:01:40 | 0:01:47 | |
Northern Ireland should be annexed
to the rest of Ireland. But tone was | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
completely wrong so too he has set
out clearly how we see our framework | 0:01:50 | 0:01:55 | |
as a nation going forward as four
Nations together, is important and | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
making sure we have the clarity, the
separation away from the single | 0:01:58 | 0:02:02 | |
market and Customs union. What do
you want to hear her say? I want her | 0:02:02 | 0:02:08 | |
to explain, if we don't stay in the
customs union, how would the | 0:02:08 | 0:02:13 | |
government avoid a visible border,
real border between Northern Ireland | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
and the Republic of Ireland. It is a
difficult issue and I don't think | 0:02:16 | 0:02:20 | |
the government have grappled with
that. I want her to show some clear | 0:02:20 | 0:02:24 | |
leadership and be clear about what
the government wants rather than | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
what it doesn't want, because they
haven't done that yet. The Prime | 0:02:27 | 0:02:32 | |
Minister and the billing for this
speech has been all about healing | 0:02:32 | 0:02:37 | |
divisions, reach out to European
partners. Give me one compromise you | 0:02:37 | 0:02:42 | |
would been prepared to make to break
the impasse? If we needed to pay | 0:02:42 | 0:02:46 | |
more money to help them balance
their books a bit longer. So more | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
than the £40 million that has been
agreed? Yes, one of the challenges | 0:02:50 | 0:02:55 | |
the EU has, with the stepping away,
it leaves them with a financial | 0:02:55 | 0:03:00 | |
challenge. To help ease back, I
would live with that as a Brexiteer. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:06 | |
Your colleagues are parts of the
speech may make her feel | 0:03:06 | 0:03:10 | |
uncomfortable, do you share that
sentiment? I hope they will be very | 0:03:10 | 0:03:16 | |
clear. The end state the me is where
we get to, which is out of the EU so | 0:03:16 | 0:03:20 | |
we are a sovereign state and we can
make decisions for ourselves. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:26 | |
Anne-Marie Trevelyan says the
government should be prepared to pay | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
more to get something back from the
EU, what compromise would you make | 0:03:29 | 0:03:33 | |
as a Remain MP? With the government
or the EU? With the government in | 0:03:33 | 0:03:42 | |
terms to unlock these negotiations?
I want the government to stop | 0:03:42 | 0:03:46 | |
talking about the party's massa
nations and what is in the best | 0:03:46 | 0:03:51 | |
interests of the country and the
best interests of constituents of | 0:03:51 | 0:03:57 | |
mine, jobs. What does the government
want from these negotiations, rather | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
than what it doesn't want. All we
have heard so far is red lines, we | 0:04:00 | 0:04:06 | |
have heard sound bites, we have
heard breadstick means Brexit, we | 0:04:06 | 0:04:10 | |
haven't had a clear vision of what
Brexit will look like under this | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
government and we haven't had the
government taking on board the EU 27 | 0:04:13 | 0:04:18 | |
have different priorities. They have
been looking over their shoulders to | 0:04:18 | 0:04:23 | |
their backbenchers to negotiate with
them and other members of the | 0:04:23 | 0:04:27 | |
Cabinet. You haven't said what you
would compromise on, what would you | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
give way on in order to unlock what
have been very difficult | 0:04:30 | 0:04:34 | |
negotiations between the EU and the
government? Are you prepared to | 0:04:34 | 0:04:39 | |
move? I would say to the EU I want
the closest economic partnership | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
with you, and as Jeremy Corbyn set
out this week, means staying in the | 0:04:43 | 0:04:48 | |
customs union, which would give the
EU more | 0:04:48 | 0:04:55 | |
clout and power in negotiations with
countries. I think that is something | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
that is worth doing. He said the EU
had made a shocking announcement in | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
terms of its draft proposals, do you
think they have overreached | 0:05:08 | 0:05:09 | |
themselves in terms of the tone of
these negotiations? I did trade | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
negotiations when I bought and sold
companies. You get your favourable | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
position and then you move somewhere
to the middle ground. I was | 0:05:16 | 0:05:20 | |
surprised they would start at that
point. That is unacceptable to the | 0:05:20 | 0:05:24 | |
British people and to the Northern
Irish residents. I was surprised | 0:05:24 | 0:05:28 | |
they started that far along the
continuum. There is a reason, | 0:05:28 | 0:05:35 | |
because the three options in
December, the government has done | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
nothing on the first two to lay out
how it would work and how it would | 0:05:38 | 0:05:43 | |
avoid the hard border in Northern
Ireland. Let's talk to our | 0:05:43 | 0:05:49 | |
correspondence, Alex Forsyth. This
is not going to be a speech that | 0:05:49 | 0:05:54 | |
will answer all the questions or
solve all the issues and problems | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
that exist. So what is the best
people can hope for? You are right, | 0:05:57 | 0:06:03 | |
there is so much in this complex
negotiation which cannot possibly be | 0:06:03 | 0:06:07 | |
resolved in 130 minute speech by the
Prime Minister. What the real | 0:06:07 | 0:06:11 | |
ambition speech of this is, is
whether or not this does enough to | 0:06:11 | 0:06:18 | |
convince her counterparts in
Brussels that Theresa May has some | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
sort of credible plan for Brexit
rooted in reality, rather than | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
rhetoric. We have heard from Michel
Barnier, the chief negotiator for | 0:06:24 | 0:06:30 | |
the EU, Donald Tusk, the president
of the European Council, who | 0:06:30 | 0:06:34 | |
suggested there needed to be an
injection of reality in Theresa | 0:06:34 | 0:06:38 | |
May's ambition. She cannot keep
saying she wants at the spoke deal, | 0:06:38 | 0:06:43 | |
she has to flesh out in practice. We
won't get huge amounts of detail, it | 0:06:43 | 0:06:48 | |
will be more of persuasion she has
something to offer so they can move | 0:06:48 | 0:06:52 | |
the talks on to the crucial issue of
trade. If you think back to the | 0:06:52 | 0:06:57 | |
original speech she made in
Lancaster house, when she set up the | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
premise of what she wanted to
achieve from Brexit. Then when she | 0:07:00 | 0:07:04 | |
went to Florence to give her speech
there, they did play a part in | 0:07:04 | 0:07:10 | |
unblocking negotiations when
everybody was feeling dismal about | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
the process. That is what she will
be hoping to achieve from today. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:18 | |
And, the tricky job of keeping her
own party and the different elements | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
with in it, onside. Alex Forsyth,
thank you and you will be watching | 0:07:21 | 0:07:26 | |
the speech with the rest of us.
Let's go to Mansion house and see | 0:07:26 | 0:07:30 | |
the gathering of journalists as they
wait for Theresa May to make this | 0:07:30 | 0:07:36 | |
third Brexit speech. Boris Johnson
was supposed to be there, but he has | 0:07:36 | 0:07:44 | |
been snowed in in Budapest. I don't
know whether that will be | 0:07:44 | 0:07:47 | |
disappointment relief to the Prime
Minister! We are told it will be | 0:07:47 | 0:07:52 | |
about 45 minutes. There is the Bank
of England governor, Mark Carney, | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
coming in and various other
officials. I think we are expecting | 0:07:56 | 0:08:02 | |
her probably to take to her feet in
the next few moments. It will be | 0:08:02 | 0:08:08 | |
about 45 minutes. Anne-Marie
Trevelyan, a former Prime Minister, | 0:08:08 | 0:08:12 | |
John Major, intervened this week. He
said he didn't want to undermine the | 0:08:12 | 0:08:17 | |
Prime Minister Bob Bernard Jenkin
has called him an enemy of | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
democracy, how do you view him? I
wouldn't have used such harsh words | 0:08:20 | 0:08:25 | |
but his position seems to be on the
preference to stay in and the | 0:08:25 | 0:08:28 | |
feeling that the British people
choice to go for Brexit wasn't one | 0:08:28 | 0:08:32 | |
he agreed with and he continues to
push the alternate line. Which, is | 0:08:32 | 0:08:39 | |
frustrating. If we believe in
democracy and the majority Alcon, | 0:08:39 | 0:08:43 | |
Brexit is what we are doing. We can
see members of the Cabinet in have | 0:08:43 | 0:08:50 | |
made it, the Brexit secretary, and
the Chancellor Philip Hammond. One | 0:08:50 | 0:08:55 | |
of the issues has been getting the
Cabinet to broadly agree what is to | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
be said in this speech. Again, from
what you are hearing, are your | 0:08:58 | 0:09:03 | |
Brexit colleagues happy with what is
going to be said, from what they | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
know? There seems to be an upbeat
feel to last week's meetings and the | 0:09:07 | 0:09:13 | |
fact everybody is moving in the same
direction. The sense of | 0:09:13 | 0:09:18 | |
understanding that it is what the
British people majority asked for, | 0:09:18 | 0:09:22 | |
therefore we must deliver it and
find a way forward is that works for | 0:09:22 | 0:09:26 | |
everybody. Is that because that you
believe further down the line, post | 0:09:26 | 0:09:31 | |
the transition agreement, if and
when it is signed off, there would | 0:09:31 | 0:09:35 | |
be an opportunity to change and I've
urge from the EU wants that | 0:09:35 | 0:09:39 | |
implementation period is over? When
we are a sovereign state once more, | 0:09:39 | 0:09:45 | |
ten or 15 years down the line,
moving forward we will have free | 0:09:45 | 0:09:49 | |
trade arrangements with the EU
partners and others and we will | 0:09:49 | 0:09:53 | |
continue to grow businesses and
trade skills will grow. Change what | 0:09:53 | 0:09:58 | |
has been agreed now? It will move
forward, free trade agreements will | 0:09:58 | 0:10:03 | |
get added to, that is the point of
being independent. Will the | 0:10:03 | 0:10:09 | |
transition last for ten or 15 years?
I think we would both be very | 0:10:09 | 0:10:15 | |
unhappy with that. If we think about
the way the EU has behaved this | 0:10:15 | 0:10:19 | |
week, is there a risk pushing too
far and too hard and stiffening the | 0:10:19 | 0:10:25 | |
resolve of the government? I think
from the EU's point of view, they | 0:10:25 | 0:10:30 | |
have this agreement in December and
they needed to be flushed out. There | 0:10:30 | 0:10:34 | |
is the applause for Theresa May as
she begins her third Brexit speech | 0:10:34 | 0:10:38 | |
and Mansion house.
The Prime Minister. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:45 | |
Good afternoon, I am grateful for
the Lord Mayor and his team for | 0:10:45 | 0:10:49 | |
hosting us here this afternoon. I
would like to take a moment before I | 0:10:49 | 0:10:54 | |
begin my speech, to thank everyone
in our country who is going the | 0:10:54 | 0:10:58 | |
extra mile to help people at this
time. I think that our emergency | 0:10:58 | 0:11:03 | |
services and Armed Forces working to
keep people safe, NHS staff and care | 0:11:03 | 0:11:08 | |
workers and all those keeping our
public services going and the many | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
volunteers who are giving their time
to help those in need. Your | 0:11:11 | 0:11:16 | |
contribution is a special part of
who we are as a country and it is | 0:11:16 | 0:11:19 | |
all the more appreciated at a moment
like this. I am here today to set | 0:11:19 | 0:11:24 | |
out my vision for the future
economic partnership between the | 0:11:24 | 0:11:28 | |
United Kingdom and the European
Union. There have been many | 0:11:28 | 0:11:32 | |
different voices and views in the
debate about what our new | 0:11:32 | 0:11:36 | |
relationship with the EU should look
like and I have listened carefully | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
to them all. But as we go forward
with the EU, I want to take a moment | 0:11:39 | 0:11:47 | |
to look back. 18 months ago, I stood
in Downing Street and addressed the | 0:11:47 | 0:11:51 | |
nation for my first time as Prime
Minister. I made this pledge then, | 0:11:51 | 0:11:56 | |
to the people I serve. I know you
are working around the clock and | 0:11:56 | 0:12:02 | |
doing your best and I know that
sometimes life can be a struggle. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:06 | |
The government I lead will be
driven, not by the interests of the | 0:12:06 | 0:12:11 | |
privileged few, but by yours. We
will do everything we can to give | 0:12:11 | 0:12:15 | |
you more control over your lives.
When we take the big calls, we will | 0:12:15 | 0:12:20 | |
think not of the powerful, but you.
When we pass new laws, we will | 0:12:20 | 0:12:24 | |
listen not to the mighty, but you.
When it | 0:12:24 | 0:12:32 | |
When it comes to taxes, we will
prioritise not the wealthy, but you. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
When it comes to opportunity we
won't entrench the advantages of the | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
fortunate few, we will help anybody,
whatever your background to go as | 0:12:38 | 0:12:42 | |
far as your talents will take you.
We are living in an important moment | 0:12:42 | 0:12:47 | |
in our country's history. As we
leave the European Union we will | 0:12:47 | 0:12:53 | |
forge a new, positive role for
ourselves in the world and we will | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
make Britain a country that works,
not for a privileged few, but for | 0:12:56 | 0:13:01 | |
everyone of us. That pledge to the
people of our United Kingdom is what | 0:13:01 | 0:13:06 | |
guides me in our negotiations with
the EU. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:16 | |
the EU. For me, that means five
things. First, the agreement we | 0:13:16 | 0:13:18 | |
reached with the EU must respect the
referendum. It was voted to take | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
control of our borders, laws and
money and a vote for wider change, | 0:13:21 | 0:13:25 | |
so no community in Britain would
ever be left behind again. But it | 0:13:25 | 0:13:29 | |
was not a vote for a distant
relationship with our neighbours. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:35 | |
Second, the new agreement we reach
with the EU must endure. After | 0:13:35 | 0:13:39 | |
Brexit, both the UK and the EU want
to forge ahead with building a | 0:13:39 | 0:13:44 | |
better future for our people, not
find ourselves back at the | 0:13:44 | 0:13:49 | |
negotiating table because things
have broken down. Third, it must | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
protect jobs and security. People in
the UK voted for our country to have | 0:13:53 | 0:13:58 | |
a new and different relationship
with Europe. But while the means may | 0:13:58 | 0:14:03 | |
change, our shared goals, surely
have not. To work together, grow our | 0:14:03 | 0:14:11 | |
economies and keep people safe.
Fourth, it must be consistent with | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
the kind of country we want to be as
we leave, and modern, open, outward | 0:14:14 | 0:14:21 | |
looking country. A nation of
pioneers, innovators, explorers and | 0:14:21 | 0:14:26 | |
creators. A country that celebrates
our history and diversity, confident | 0:14:26 | 0:14:30 | |
of our place in the world. That
meets its obligations to our | 0:14:30 | 0:14:35 | |
neighbours and four friends and is
proud to stand up for its values. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:40 | |
And fifth, in doing all of these
things, it must strengthen our union | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
of nations and union of people. We
must bring our country back | 0:14:44 | 0:14:50 | |
together, taking into account the
views of everyone who cares about | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
this issue from both sides of the
debate. As Prime Minister, it is my | 0:14:53 | 0:14:58 | |
duty to represent all of our United
Kingdom, England, Scotland, Wales | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
and Northern Ireland. North and
south, from coastal tiles to our | 0:15:02 | 0:15:08 | |
great cities. So these are the five
tests for the deal but we will | 0:15:08 | 0:15:11 | |
negotiate. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:21 | |
Delivering an outcome that is
consistent with the kind of country | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
that we want to be. And bringing our
country together, strengthening the | 0:15:24 | 0:15:29 | |
precious union of all our people. We
are now approaching a crucial | 0:15:29 | 0:15:35 | |
moment. There is no escaping the
complexity of the task ahead of us. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:40 | |
We must not only negotiate our exit
from a negotiation that touches so | 0:15:40 | 0:15:45 | |
many important parts of our national
life, we must also build a new and | 0:15:45 | 0:15:49 | |
lasting relationship while, given
the uncertainty inherent in the | 0:15:49 | 0:15:55 | |
negotiation, preparing for every
scenario. But we are making real | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
progress. At the end of last year,
we agreed the key elements of our | 0:15:58 | 0:16:04 | |
withdrawal. We are in the process of
turning that agreement into draft | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
legal text. We have made clear our
concerns about the first draft that | 0:16:07 | 0:16:14 | |
the commission published on
Wednesday, that nobody should be in | 0:16:14 | 0:16:18 | |
any doubt about our commitment to
the joint report that we agreed in | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
December. We are close to agreement
on the terms of implementation | 0:16:21 | 0:16:26 | |
period in which was a key element of
December's deal. Although some | 0:16:26 | 0:16:33 | |
points of difference remain, I am
confident they can be resolved in | 0:16:33 | 0:16:35 | |
the days ahead. Both the UK and the
EU are clear, this implimentation | 0:16:35 | 0:16:41 | |
period must be time limited and
cannot become a permanent solution. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:46 | |
But it is vital to give governments,
businesses and citizens on both | 0:16:46 | 0:16:52 | |
sides the time they need to prepare
for our new relationship. With this | 0:16:52 | 0:16:57 | |
agreed, I want both sides to turn
all our attention and efforts to | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
this new relationship. But before we
can do that we need to set out in | 0:17:01 | 0:17:06 | |
more detail what relationship we
want, building on my Lancaster house | 0:17:06 | 0:17:13 | |
and foreign speeches. So, last month
I spoke in Munich about the security | 0:17:13 | 0:17:19 | |
partnership that we seek. Today, I
want to talk about the other pillar | 0:17:19 | 0:17:23 | |
of the relationship, how we build
our economic partnership. In my | 0:17:23 | 0:17:28 | |
speech in Florence, I set out why
the existing models for economic | 0:17:28 | 0:17:32 | |
partnership either do not deliver
the ambition we need or impose | 0:17:32 | 0:17:36 | |
unsustainable constraints on our
democracy. For example, the Norway | 0:17:36 | 0:17:40 | |
model, where we would stay in the
single market, would mean having to | 0:17:40 | 0:17:44 | |
implement new EU legislation
automatically, and its entirety, and | 0:17:44 | 0:17:49 | |
would also mean continued free
movement. Others suggested we | 0:17:49 | 0:17:55 | |
negotiate a free trade agreement
similar to that which Canada has | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
recently negotiated with the EU, or
trade on World Trade Organisation | 0:17:58 | 0:18:02 | |
terms. But these options would mean
a significant reduction in our | 0:18:02 | 0:18:06 | |
access to each other's markets,
compared to that which we currently | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
enjoy. This would mean customs and
regulatory checks at the border | 0:18:08 | 0:18:13 | |
which would damage the integrated
supply chains that our industries | 0:18:13 | 0:18:18 | |
depend on and be inconsistent with
the commitments that both we and the | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
EU have made in respect to Northern
Ireland. This is a wider issue in | 0:18:21 | 0:18:28 | |
our negotiations and I want to dwell
on this for a minute. Successive | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
British governments have worked
tirelessly, together with all of the | 0:18:31 | 0:18:36 | |
parties in Northern Ireland and with
the Irish government, to bring about | 0:18:36 | 0:18:40 | |
the historic achievement of peace.
This is an achievement that we | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
should all be proud of and protect.
That is why I have consistently put | 0:18:43 | 0:18:48 | |
up holding the Belfast agreement at
the heart of the UK's approach. Our | 0:18:48 | 0:18:55 | |
departure from the EU causes very
particular challenges for Northern | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
Ireland and for Ireland. We joined
the EU together 45 years ago, and | 0:18:58 | 0:19:04 | |
this is not surprising that our
decision to leave has caused anxiety | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
and a desire for concrete solutions.
We have been clear all along that we | 0:19:07 | 0:19:12 | |
don't want to go back to a hard
border in Ireland. We have ruled out | 0:19:12 | 0:19:17 | |
any physical infrastructure of the
border, or any related checks and | 0:19:17 | 0:19:19 | |
controls. But it is not good not to
say we will not introduce a hard | 0:19:19 | 0:19:26 | |
border, if EU forces Ireland to do
it it is down to them. We chose to | 0:19:26 | 0:19:31 | |
leave and we have a responsibility
to help find a solution. But we | 0:19:31 | 0:19:35 | |
can't do it on our own, it is for
all of us to work together. The | 0:19:35 | 0:19:41 | |
Taoiseach and I agreed when we met
recently that our teams and the | 0:19:41 | 0:19:45 | |
commission should now do just that.
I want to make one final point. Just | 0:19:45 | 0:19:50 | |
as it would be unacceptable to go
back to a hard border between | 0:19:50 | 0:19:54 | |
Northern Ireland and Ireland, it
would also be unacceptable to break | 0:19:54 | 0:19:59 | |
up the United Kingdom's own Common
Market by creating a customs and | 0:19:59 | 0:20:04 | |
regulatory border down the Irish
Sea. My personal commitment to this | 0:20:04 | 0:20:09 | |
is clear. As Prime Minister of the
whole United Kingdom, I am not going | 0:20:09 | 0:20:13 | |
to let our departure from the
European Union do anything to set | 0:20:13 | 0:20:19 | |
back the historic progress that we
have made in Northern Ireland, nor | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
will I allow anything that would
damage the integrity of our precious | 0:20:22 | 0:20:26 | |
union. So, existing models do not
provide the best way forward for | 0:20:26 | 0:20:32 | |
either the UK or the EU. But before
I turn to what a new and better | 0:20:32 | 0:20:37 | |
model may look like, I would like to
be straight with people. The reality | 0:20:37 | 0:20:43 | |
is that we all need to face up to
some hard facts. We are leaving the | 0:20:43 | 0:20:48 | |
single market. Life is going to be
different. In certain ways, our | 0:20:48 | 0:20:53 | |
access to each other's markets will
be less than it is now. How could | 0:20:53 | 0:20:57 | |
the EU structure of rights and
obligations be sustained if the UK | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
or any country were allowed to enjoy
all of the benefits without all of | 0:21:00 | 0:21:07 | |
the obligations? So, we need to
strike a new balance. But we will | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
not accept the rights of Canada and
the obligations of Norway. The | 0:21:10 | 0:21:16 | |
second hard fact is that even after
we have left the jurisdiction of the | 0:21:16 | 0:21:21 | |
European Court of Justice, EU law
and the decisions of the ECJ will | 0:21:21 | 0:21:25 | |
continue to affect us. For a start,
the ECJ determines whether | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
agreements that EU has struck an
illegal under the EU's own laws, as | 0:21:28 | 0:21:34 | |
the US found when the ECJ declared
the safe harbour framework for data | 0:21:34 | 0:21:38 | |
invalid. When we leave the EU, the
Withdrawal Bill will bring EU law | 0:21:38 | 0:21:45 | |
into UK law, meaning cases will be
determined in our courts, but, where | 0:21:45 | 0:21:50 | |
appropriate, our courts will
continue to look at the ECJ's | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
judgments, as they do for the
appropriate jurisprudence of other | 0:21:53 | 0:21:59 | |
countries' courts. If, as part of
the future partnership, Parliament | 0:21:59 | 0:22:03 | |
passes an identical law to the EU
law, it may make sense for our | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
courts to look at the appropriate
ECJ judgments, so that we both | 0:22:06 | 0:22:10 | |
interpret those laws consistently.
As I said in Munich, if we agree | 0:22:10 | 0:22:15 | |
that the UK should continue to
participate in the EU agency, the UK | 0:22:15 | 0:22:21 | |
would have to respect the remit of
the ECJ in that regard. But, in the | 0:22:21 | 0:22:25 | |
future, the EU treaties and hence EU
law will no longer apply in the | 0:22:25 | 0:22:31 | |
United Kingdom. The agreement we
reach must therefore respect the | 0:22:31 | 0:22:35 | |
sovereignty of both the UK and the
EU's legal orders. That means the | 0:22:35 | 0:22:41 | |
jurisdiction of the ECJ in the UK
must end. It also means the ultimate | 0:22:41 | 0:22:47 | |
arbiter of disputes about our future
partnership cannot be the court of | 0:22:47 | 0:22:51 | |
either party. The next hard fact is
this, if we want good access to each | 0:22:51 | 0:22:58 | |
other's markets, it has to be on
fair terms. As with any trade | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
agreement, we must accept the need
for binding commitments, for example | 0:23:01 | 0:23:05 | |
we might choose to commit some areas
of regulations, like state aid and | 0:23:05 | 0:23:10 | |
competition, to remain in step with
the EU's. The UK drove much of the | 0:23:10 | 0:23:15 | |
policy in that area, and we have
much to gain from maintaining proper | 0:23:15 | 0:23:19 | |
disciplines on the use of subsidies
and an anti-competitive practices. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:25 | |
Furthermore, as I said in France, we
share the same set of fundamental | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
beliefs, a belief in free trade,
rigorous and fair competition, | 0:23:28 | 0:23:33 | |
strong consumer rights and that is
trying to beat each other... Try to | 0:23:33 | 0:23:35 | |
beat each other's countries
industries by subsidising one's own | 0:23:35 | 0:23:43 | |
is a big mistake. In other areas,
like workers' rights of the | 0:23:43 | 0:23:47 | |
environment, the EU should be
confident that we will not engage in | 0:23:47 | 0:23:49 | |
a race to the bottom in standards
and protections we set. There is no | 0:23:49 | 0:23:55 | |
serious political constituency in
the UK that would support this, | 0:23:55 | 0:23:57 | |
quite the opposite. Finally, we need
to resolve the tensions around our | 0:23:57 | 0:24:03 | |
key objectives. We want the freedom
to negotiate trade agreements with | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
other countries around the world. We
want to take back control of our | 0:24:06 | 0:24:10 | |
laws. We also want as frictionless a
border as possible between us and | 0:24:10 | 0:24:15 | |
the EU, so that we don't damage the
integrated supply chain is our | 0:24:15 | 0:24:19 | |
industries depend on, and don't have
a hard border between Northern | 0:24:19 | 0:24:23 | |
Ireland and Ireland. But there are
some tensions in the EU's position, | 0:24:23 | 0:24:28 | |
too. And some hard facts for them to
face as well. The commission has | 0:24:28 | 0:24:34 | |
suggested that the only option
available to the UK is an | 0:24:34 | 0:24:36 | |
off-the-shelf model. But, at the
same time, they have also said that | 0:24:36 | 0:24:41 | |
in certain areas none of the EU's
third country agreements would be | 0:24:41 | 0:24:47 | |
appropriate, and the European
Council's guidelines aspire to a | 0:24:47 | 0:24:51 | |
balanced, ambitious and wide-ranging
deal, with common rules a number of | 0:24:51 | 0:24:56 | |
areas to ensure fair and open
competition. This would not be | 0:24:56 | 0:25:01 | |
delivered by a Canada style deal,
which would not give them the breath | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
or depth of market access that they
want. It is hard to see how it would | 0:25:04 | 0:25:08 | |
be in the EU's interests for the
UK's regulatory standards to be as | 0:25:08 | 0:25:14 | |
different as Canada's. We both need
to face the fact that this is a | 0:25:14 | 0:25:19 | |
negotiation, and neither of us can
have exactly what we want. But I am | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
confident that we can reach
agreement. We both want good access | 0:25:22 | 0:25:28 | |
to each other's markets, we want
competition between us to be fair | 0:25:28 | 0:25:33 | |
and open, and we want reliable
transparent means of verifying that | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
we are meeting our commitments and
resolving disputes. But what is | 0:25:36 | 0:25:40 | |
clear is that for us both to meet
our objectives, we need to look | 0:25:40 | 0:25:48 | |
beyond the presidents and find a new
balance. As an security, what I am | 0:25:48 | 0:25:53 | |
seeking is a relationship that goes
beyond the transactional, to one | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
that we support each other's
interests, so I wanted broadest and | 0:25:56 | 0:26:03 | |
deepest partnership possible,
covering all sectors and cooperate | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
and more fully than any free trade
agreement anywhere in the world | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
today. As I will go on to describe,
we will also need agreement on a | 0:26:09 | 0:26:14 | |
range of areas covering the breath
of our relationship. I believe this | 0:26:14 | 0:26:18 | |
is achievable because it is in the
EU's interests as well as ours. The | 0:26:18 | 0:26:23 | |
EU is the UK's biggest market and,
of course, the UK is also a big | 0:26:23 | 0:26:28 | |
market for the EU. Furthermore, we
have a unique starting point where, | 0:26:28 | 0:26:32 | |
on day one, we both have the same
laws and rules. So, rather than | 0:26:32 | 0:26:37 | |
having to bring two different
systems closer together, the task | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
will be to manage the relationship
once we are to EU separate legal | 0:26:40 | 0:26:45 | |
systems. To do so, and to realise
its level of ambition, there are | 0:26:45 | 0:26:50 | |
five foundations that must underpin
our trading relationship. First, our | 0:26:50 | 0:26:54 | |
agreement will need reciprocal,
binding commitments to ensure fair | 0:26:54 | 0:27:01 | |
and open competition. Such
agreements are part and parcel of | 0:27:01 | 0:27:03 | |
any trade agreement. After all, why
would any country and into a | 0:27:03 | 0:27:08 | |
privileged relationship without any
means of redress on the other party | 0:27:08 | 0:27:12 | |
engaged in anti-competitive
practices? The level of integration | 0:27:12 | 0:27:19 | |
between EU and UK markets, and our
geographical proximity, mean that | 0:27:19 | 0:27:24 | |
the reciprocal commitments will be
particularly important to make sure | 0:27:24 | 0:27:28 | |
that UK businesses can compete
fairly in EU markets and vice versa. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:32 | |
A deep and comprehensive agreement
with the EU will need to include | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
commitments affecting the extent to
which the UK and EU economies are | 0:27:35 | 0:27:40 | |
entwined. Second, we will need an
arbitration mechanism that is | 0:27:40 | 0:27:46 | |
completely independent, something
which again is common to free trade | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
agreements. This will ensure that
any disagreements about the purpose | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
or scope of the agreement can be
resolved fairly and promptly. Third, | 0:27:52 | 0:27:58 | |
given the close relationship we
envisage, we will need an ongoing | 0:27:58 | 0:28:03 | |
dialogue with the EU and to ensure
we have the means to consult each | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
other regularly. In particular, we
will want to make sure our | 0:28:06 | 0:28:10 | |
regulators continue to work
together, as they do with regulators | 0:28:10 | 0:28:12 | |
internationally. This will be
essential for everything from | 0:28:12 | 0:28:18 | |
getting you drugs to patients
quickly, to maintaining financial | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 | |
stability. We start from the place
where our regulators already have | 0:28:21 | 0:28:25 | |
deep and long-standing
relationships, so the task is | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
maintaining that trust, not building
it in the first place. Fourth, we | 0:28:27 | 0:28:32 | |
will need an arrangement for data
protection. I made this point in | 0:28:32 | 0:28:36 | |
Munich in relation to our security
relationship, but the free flow of | 0:28:36 | 0:28:40 | |
data is also critical for both sides
in any modern trading relationship. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:46 | |
The UK has exceptionally high
standards of data protection, and we | 0:28:46 | 0:28:50 | |
want to secure an agreement with the
EU that provides the stability and | 0:28:50 | 0:28:54 | |
confidence for EU and UK businesses
and individuals to achieve our aims | 0:28:54 | 0:28:59 | |
in maintaining and developing the
UK's strong trading and economic | 0:28:59 | 0:29:03 | |
links with the EU. That is why we
will be seeking more than just an | 0:29:03 | 0:29:08 | |
advocacy relationship, and want to
see an appropriate ongoing role for | 0:29:08 | 0:29:12 | |
the UK's Information Commissioner's
Office. This will ensure that UK | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
businesses or effectively
represented under the EU's new | 0:29:15 | 0:29:20 | |
one-stop shop mechanism for
resolving data protection disputes. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:24 | |
Fifth, we must maintain the links
between our people. EU citizens are | 0:29:24 | 0:29:28 | |
an integral part of economic,
cultural and social fabric of our | 0:29:28 | 0:29:33 | |
country. I know that UK nationals
are viewed in entirely the same way | 0:29:33 | 0:29:37 | |
by communities across the EU. This
is why, at every stage of these | 0:29:37 | 0:29:41 | |
negotiations, I have put the
interests of EU citizens and UK | 0:29:41 | 0:29:45 | |
nationals at the heart of our
approach. We are clear that, as we | 0:29:45 | 0:29:50 | |
leave the EU, free movement of
people will come to an end, and we | 0:29:50 | 0:29:54 | |
will control the number of people
who come to live in our country. But | 0:29:54 | 0:29:58 | |
UK citizens will still want to work
and study in EU countries, just as | 0:29:58 | 0:30:03 | |
EU citizens will want to do the same
here, helping to shape and drive | 0:30:03 | 0:30:07 | |
growth, innovation and enterprise.
Indeed, businesses across the EU and | 0:30:07 | 0:30:13 | |
the UK must be able to attract and
employ the people they need, and we | 0:30:13 | 0:30:17 | |
are open to discussing how to
facilitate these valuable links. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:21 | |
Reciprocal commitments to ensure
fair and open competition, an | 0:30:21 | 0:30:26 | |
independent arbitration mechanism,
an ongoing dialogue, data protection | 0:30:26 | 0:30:30 | |
arrangements and maintaining the
links between our people. These are | 0:30:30 | 0:30:33 | |
the foundations that underpin the
ambition of this unique and | 0:30:33 | 0:30:36 | |
unprecedented partnership. It will
then need to be tailored to the | 0:30:36 | 0:30:40 | |
needs of our economies. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:46 | |
This follows the approach the EU has
taken with its trade agreements in | 0:30:46 | 0:30:50 | |
the past and indeed, with its own
single market, as it has developed. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:55 | |
The EU agreement with Ukraine sees
it aligned in some areas but not | 0:30:55 | 0:31:00 | |
others. It's a lineman with South
Korea seems to recognise each | 0:31:00 | 0:31:05 | |
other's approvals with new car
models, but that agreement with | 0:31:05 | 0:31:09 | |
Canada does not. The EU's agreement
with Canada recognises each of the's | 0:31:09 | 0:31:16 | |
testing on machinery, its agreement
with South Korea does not. The EU | 0:31:16 | 0:31:20 | |
itself is taking a tailored approach
with what it is seeking in the UK. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:25 | |
On fisheries, the commission has
been clear, no precedents exist for | 0:31:25 | 0:31:29 | |
the sort of access it once from the
UK. The fact is, every free trade | 0:31:29 | 0:31:36 | |
agreement has varying market access,
depending on the respective | 0:31:36 | 0:31:40 | |
interests of the countries involved.
If this is cherry picking, then | 0:31:40 | 0:31:45 | |
every trade arrangement is cherry
picking. Moreover, with all its | 0:31:45 | 0:31:51 | |
neighbours, the EU has varying
levels of access to the single | 0:31:51 | 0:31:54 | |
market, depending the obligations
those neighbours are willing to | 0:31:54 | 0:32:00 | |
undertake. What would be cherry
picking is if we were to seek a deal | 0:32:00 | 0:32:04 | |
where our rights and obligations
were not held in balance. And I have | 0:32:04 | 0:32:09 | |
been categorically clear that is not
what we are going to do. I think it | 0:32:09 | 0:32:14 | |
is pragmatic common sense that we
should work together to deliver the | 0:32:14 | 0:32:17 | |
best outcome for both sides. Let me
start with how we do this for goods. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:22 | |
This is the area where the single
market is most established in both | 0:32:22 | 0:32:27 | |
the UK and EU have a strong
commercial interest in preserving | 0:32:27 | 0:32:33 | |
integrated supply chains that have
built up over 40 years of our | 0:32:33 | 0:32:35 | |
membership. When it comes to goods,
the fundamental principle in our | 0:32:35 | 0:32:41 | |
negotiating strategy should be
betrayed at the UK, EU border should | 0:32:41 | 0:32:45 | |
be as frictionless as possible. That
means we don't want the introduction | 0:32:45 | 0:32:50 | |
of any tariffs or quotas. And as the
secretary of state set out in his | 0:32:50 | 0:32:57 | |
speech last week in Vienna, products
only need to undergo one series of | 0:32:57 | 0:33:02 | |
approvals in one country to show
they meet the regulatory standards. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:06 | |
For this we would need a
comprehensive system of mutual | 0:33:06 | 0:33:10 | |
recognition. The UK would need to
make a strong commitment its | 0:33:10 | 0:33:15 | |
regulatory standards would remain as
high as the EU's and that would mean | 0:33:15 | 0:33:20 | |
EU and UK regulatory standards would
remain substantially similar in the | 0:33:20 | 0:33:23 | |
future. Many of these regulatory
standards are themselves underpinned | 0:33:23 | 0:33:29 | |
by international standards set by
non-EU bodies, of which we will | 0:33:29 | 0:33:33 | |
remain a member. Such as the UN
economic commission for Europe, | 0:33:33 | 0:33:36 | |
which sets a vehicle safety
standards. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:44 | |
standards. Countries around the
world, including Turkey, South | 0:33:44 | 0:33:45 | |
Africa, South Korea, Japan and
Russia are party to the agreement. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:48 | |
As I said in my speech in Florence,
this could be achieved in different | 0:33:48 | 0:33:52 | |
ways. Our default is UK law might
not necessarily be identical to EU | 0:33:52 | 0:33:58 | |
law, but it should achieve the same
outcomes. In some cases, parliament | 0:33:58 | 0:34:03 | |
might choose to pass an identical
law. Businesses who export to the EU | 0:34:03 | 0:34:08 | |
tell us it is strongly in their
interest to have a single set of | 0:34:08 | 0:34:12 | |
regulatory standards that mean they
can sell into the UK and EU markets. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:16 | |
If the Parliament of the day decided
not to achieve the same outcomes as | 0:34:16 | 0:34:25 | |
EU law, it would be in the knowledge
there may be consequences for our | 0:34:25 | 0:34:28 | |
market access and there would need
to be an independent mechanism to | 0:34:28 | 0:34:30 | |
oversee these arrangements. We would
also want to explode the EU, the | 0:34:30 | 0:34:33 | |
terms of which the UK should remain
part of the agencies that are | 0:34:33 | 0:34:39 | |
critical for medicines and Aero
agencies. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:47 | |
agencies. We would of course accept
this would be abiding by the rules | 0:34:47 | 0:34:51 | |
of those agencies in making
appropriate financial contribution. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:55 | |
But I want to explain what I believe
the benefits of this approach could | 0:34:55 | 0:34:59 | |
be both for us and you. First,
associate membership of these | 0:34:59 | 0:35:03 | |
agencies is the only way to meet our
objective to ensure these products | 0:35:03 | 0:35:06 | |
only need to go one series of
approvals in one country. Second, | 0:35:06 | 0:35:11 | |
these agencies have a critical role
in setting and enforcing relevant | 0:35:11 | 0:35:15 | |
rules. If we were able to negotiate
associate membership, we could | 0:35:15 | 0:35:20 | |
ensure we could prevent new to
provide our technical expertise. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:25 | |
Third, associate membership could
permit UK firms to resolve certain | 0:35:25 | 0:35:30 | |
challenges related to the agencies
through UK courts, rather than the | 0:35:30 | 0:35:35 | |
ECJ. For example in the case of
Scotland, associate -- Switzerland, | 0:35:35 | 0:35:43 | |
means her worthiness certifications
are granted by its own aviation | 0:35:43 | 0:35:46 | |
authority and disputes are resolved
through its courts without its | 0:35:46 | 0:35:50 | |
membership, Swiss airlines would
need to gain their certificates to | 0:35:50 | 0:35:54 | |
another member state or to the
agency and any dispute would need to | 0:35:54 | 0:35:58 | |
be resolved through the ECJ. Fourth,
it would bring other benefits. For | 0:35:58 | 0:36:03 | |
example, membership of the European
medicines agency would mean | 0:36:03 | 0:36:08 | |
investment in new medicines
continuing in the UK and it would | 0:36:08 | 0:36:10 | |
mean these medicines getting to
patients faster as firms prioritise | 0:36:10 | 0:36:16 | |
larger markets when they start the
lengthy process of seeking | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
authorisations. It would also be
good for the EU, because the UK | 0:36:18 | 0:36:25 | |
regulator assesses more new
medicines than any other member | 0:36:25 | 0:36:28 | |
state. The EU would continue to
access the expertise of the UK's | 0:36:28 | 0:36:35 | |
world leading universities. And of
course, Parliament would remain | 0:36:35 | 0:36:39 | |
ultimately sovereign. It could
decide not to access these rules, | 0:36:39 | 0:36:44 | |
but with consequences for our
membership of the relevant agency | 0:36:44 | 0:36:50 | |
and market access rights. Lastly, to
achieve a frictionless border as | 0:36:50 | 0:36:58 | |
possible and avoid the hard border.
Let me repeat, to avoid a hard | 0:36:58 | 0:37:02 | |
border between Northern Ireland and
Ireland. We also need an agreement | 0:37:02 | 0:37:06 | |
on customs. The UK has been clear it
is leaving the customs union. The EU | 0:37:06 | 0:37:12 | |
has also formed a customs union with
some other countries. But those | 0:37:12 | 0:37:16 | |
arrangements, if applied to the UK
cake would mean the EU setting the | 0:37:16 | 0:37:21 | |
UK's external tariffs, being able to
let other countries sell more to the | 0:37:21 | 0:37:26 | |
UK without making it any easier for
us to sell to them or the UK signing | 0:37:26 | 0:37:30 | |
up to the UK commercial policy. That
would not be compatible with a | 0:37:30 | 0:37:37 | |
meaningful, independent trade
policy. It would mean we have less | 0:37:37 | 0:37:39 | |
control than we do now over our
trade in the world. Neither leave or | 0:37:39 | 0:37:45 | |
remain voters would want that. We
thought seriously about how our | 0:37:45 | 0:37:49 | |
commitment to a frictionless border
could be delivered. Last year we set | 0:37:49 | 0:37:54 | |
out two potential options. Option
one, is a customs partnership | 0:37:54 | 0:37:59 | |
between the UK and the EU. At the
border, the UK would mirror the EU's | 0:37:59 | 0:38:04 | |
requirements for imports from the
rest of the world, applied the same | 0:38:04 | 0:38:08 | |
tariffs and the same rules of origin
as the EU. For those goods arriving | 0:38:08 | 0:38:12 | |
in the UK and intended for the EU.
By following this approach, we would | 0:38:12 | 0:38:20 | |
know all goods entering the EU via
the UK pay the right EU duties, | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
removing the need for customs
processes at the border. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:27 | |
Importantly, we were put in place a
mechanism, so the UK would also be | 0:38:27 | 0:38:31 | |
able to apply its own tariffs and
trade policy for goods intended for | 0:38:31 | 0:38:36 | |
the UK market. As we have set out
previously, this would require the | 0:38:36 | 0:38:40 | |
means to ensure both sides can trust
the system and a robust enforcement | 0:38:40 | 0:38:45 | |
mechanism. Option two would be a
streamlined customs arrangement, | 0:38:45 | 0:38:50 | |
where we would agree to implement a
range of measures to minimise | 0:38:50 | 0:38:54 | |
friction is to trade together with
specific provisions for Northern | 0:38:54 | 0:38:57 | |
Ireland. First, measures to require
the movement of goods across borders | 0:38:57 | 0:39:03 | |
are as simple as possible and we
should waive the requirement for | 0:39:03 | 0:39:07 | |
exit and entry declarations for
goods moving between the UK and the | 0:39:07 | 0:39:11 | |
EU. We should allow goods moving
between the UK and the rest of the | 0:39:11 | 0:39:15 | |
world to travel through the EU
without paying EU duties and vice | 0:39:15 | 0:39:19 | |
versa. Measure to reduce the risk of
delays at ports and airports by | 0:39:19 | 0:39:26 | |
recognising each other's trusted
trade schemes and drawing on IT | 0:39:26 | 0:39:30 | |
solutions so vehicles don't need to
stop at the border. Third, continue | 0:39:30 | 0:39:36 | |
our cooperation to mitigate customs
duty and security risks. And fourth, | 0:39:36 | 0:39:40 | |
measure to reduce the cost and
burden of complying with customs | 0:39:40 | 0:39:45 | |
admin of requirements, including by
maximising the use of automation. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:50 | |
And recognising the unique
circumstances in Northern Ireland | 0:39:50 | 0:39:53 | |
and our shared commitments to
avoiding a hard border, we should | 0:39:53 | 0:39:57 | |
consider further measures. 80% of
north-south trade is carried out by | 0:39:57 | 0:40:04 | |
Micro, small and medium-sized
businesses. So the smaller traders, | 0:40:04 | 0:40:07 | |
whose members of the community are
most effective but whose economic | 0:40:07 | 0:40:11 | |
role is not systemically significant
for the EU market, we would allow | 0:40:11 | 0:40:15 | |
them to continue to operate as they
do currently, with no new | 0:40:15 | 0:40:19 | |
restrictions. The larger traders, we
would introduce streamlined | 0:40:19 | 0:40:23 | |
processes including a trusted trade
scheme that would be consistent with | 0:40:23 | 0:40:27 | |
our commitments. Both of these
options for our future customs | 0:40:27 | 0:40:33 | |
arrangement would lead the UK free
to determine its own tariffs with | 0:40:33 | 0:40:36 | |
third countries, which would simply
not be possible in a customs union. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:42 | |
I recognise some of these ideas
depend on technology, robust systems | 0:40:42 | 0:40:47 | |
to ensure trust and confidence as
well as goodwill, but they are | 0:40:47 | 0:40:51 | |
serious and merit consideration by
all sides. So to conclude on goods, | 0:40:51 | 0:40:57 | |
fundamental principle in our
negotiating strategy is that trade | 0:40:57 | 0:41:00 | |
at their UK EU border should be as
frictionless as possible with no | 0:41:00 | 0:41:05 | |
hard border between Northern Ireland
and Ireland. We believe this can be | 0:41:05 | 0:41:09 | |
achieved via a commitment to ensure
the relevant UK regulatory standards | 0:41:09 | 0:41:14 | |
remain at least as high as the EU's
and a customs arrangement. We | 0:41:14 | 0:41:19 | |
recognise this would constrain our
ability to lower regulatory | 0:41:19 | 0:41:23 | |
standards for industrial goods, but
in practice we are unlikely to want | 0:41:23 | 0:41:29 | |
to reduce our standards because the
British public would punish any | 0:41:29 | 0:41:33 | |
government at the ballot box. This
approach for trading goods is good | 0:41:33 | 0:41:38 | |
for agriculture, food and drinks but
other consideration also apply. We | 0:41:38 | 0:41:42 | |
are leaving the common agricultural
policy and will want to take the | 0:41:42 | 0:41:46 | |
opportunity that brings to reform
our agricultural and fisheries | 0:41:46 | 0:41:50 | |
management. The UK has among the
highest environmental and animal | 0:41:50 | 0:41:54 | |
welfare standards of any nation on
earth. As we leave the EU, we will | 0:41:54 | 0:41:59 | |
uphold environmental standards and
go further to protect our shared | 0:41:59 | 0:42:05 | |
natural heritage. And I expect our
standards will remain at | 0:42:05 | 0:42:13 | |
standards will remain at least as
high as the EU's. But it will be | 0:42:17 | 0:42:19 | |
particularly important to secure
flexibility to ensure we can make | 0:42:19 | 0:42:21 | |
the most of the opportunities
presented by car withdrawal from the | 0:42:21 | 0:42:23 | |
EU for farmers and exporters. We are
leaving the common fisheries policy. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:29 | |
The UK will regain control over
domestic fisheries rules and access | 0:42:29 | 0:42:33 | |
to our waters. But as part of the
economic partnership, we want to | 0:42:33 | 0:42:38 | |
work together to manage shared
stocks in a sustainable way and | 0:42:38 | 0:42:42 | |
agree reciprocal access to the
waters and a fairer allocation of | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
fishing opportunities for the UK
fishing industry. We will also want | 0:42:45 | 0:42:50 | |
to ensure open markets for each
other's products. Just as our | 0:42:50 | 0:42:55 | |
partnership in goods needs to be
deeper than any other free | 0:42:55 | 0:43:00 | |
agreement, so in services, we have
the opportunity to break new ground | 0:43:00 | 0:43:04 | |
with a broader agreement than ever
before. We recognise that certain | 0:43:04 | 0:43:10 | |
aspects of trade services are
intrinsically linked to the single | 0:43:10 | 0:43:13 | |
market and a market access in these
areas will need to be different. But | 0:43:13 | 0:43:17 | |
we should only allow new barriers to
be introduced when absolutely | 0:43:17 | 0:43:21 | |
necessary. We don't want to
discriminate between EU service | 0:43:21 | 0:43:25 | |
providers in the UK and we wouldn't
want the EU to discriminate against | 0:43:25 | 0:43:30 | |
UK service providers. We want to
limit the number of barriers that | 0:43:30 | 0:43:34 | |
would prevent UK firm setting up in
the EU and vice versa. And agree | 0:43:34 | 0:43:40 | |
appropriate labour mobility
framework, that enables UK | 0:43:40 | 0:43:44 | |
businesses and self employed
professionals to travel to the EU, | 0:43:44 | 0:43:47 | |
to provide services to clients in
person and that allows UK businesses | 0:43:47 | 0:43:51 | |
to provide services to the EU over
the phone and Internet. We want to | 0:43:51 | 0:43:58 | |
do the same for EU firms providing
services to the UK. Given UK | 0:43:58 | 0:44:05 | |
qualifications are recognised across
the EU and vice versa, it would make | 0:44:05 | 0:44:09 | |
sense to recognise each other's
qualifications in the future. There | 0:44:09 | 0:44:13 | |
are two areas which have never been
covered in a free-trade agreement in | 0:44:13 | 0:44:18 | |
any meaningful way. Broadcasting and
despite the EU's best efforts in the | 0:44:18 | 0:44:25 | |
Transatlantic Trade and Investment
Partnership, financial services. But | 0:44:25 | 0:44:27 | |
we have some ideas for how we can do
this and it is in all our interests | 0:44:27 | 0:44:32 | |
to explore these. On broadcasting we
recognise we cannot have exactly the | 0:44:32 | 0:44:36 | |
same arrangements with the EU as we
do now. | 0:44:36 | 0:44:43 | |
do now. Currently because of the
country of origin principle, a | 0:44:47 | 0:44:49 | |
company based in the UK can be
licensed by off, and broadcast into | 0:44:49 | 0:44:52 | |
any EU member state and vice versa.
The relevant directive will not | 0:44:52 | 0:44:54 | |
apply to the UK as leave the EU and
relying on precedents will hurt | 0:44:54 | 0:44:58 | |
consumers and businesses on both
sides. The UK's creative hub leads | 0:44:58 | 0:45:01 | |
to the development is a product that
European consumers want. The UK | 0:45:01 | 0:45:05 | |
currently provides around 30% of the
channels available in the EU. But | 0:45:05 | 0:45:12 | |
equally, many UK companies have
pan-European ownership and there are | 0:45:12 | 0:45:16 | |
35 channels and on demand services
which are offered in the UK, but | 0:45:16 | 0:45:19 | |
licensed in the EU. | 0:45:19 | 0:45:23 | |
We should export creative options
with a open mind, including mutual | 0:45:23 | 0:45:30 | |
recognition, allowing for Frontier
broadcasting, recognising the | 0:45:30 | 0:45:33 | |
enriching role that British
broadcasters and programme makers | 0:45:33 | 0:45:35 | |
play, not only in British but, more
broadly, in our common, European | 0:45:35 | 0:45:40 | |
culture. Similarly, on financial
services, the Chancellor will be | 0:45:40 | 0:45:44 | |
setting out next week our financial
services, and how they can and | 0:45:44 | 0:45:49 | |
should be part of a comprehensive
partnership. We are not looking for | 0:45:49 | 0:45:52 | |
passporting because we understand
this is intrinsic to the single | 0:45:52 | 0:45:55 | |
market, of which we would no longer
be a member. It would also require | 0:45:55 | 0:45:58 | |
us to be subject to a single rule
book over which we would have no | 0:45:58 | 0:46:02 | |
say. The UK has responsibility for
the financial stability of the | 0:46:02 | 0:46:08 | |
world's most significant financial
centre, and our taxpayers bear the | 0:46:08 | 0:46:13 | |
risk. So, it would be unrealistic
for us to implement new EU | 0:46:13 | 0:46:17 | |
legislation automatically, and in
its entirety. But with UK located | 0:46:17 | 0:46:23 | |
banks underwriting around half of
the debt and equity issued by EU | 0:46:23 | 0:46:29 | |
companies, providing more than £1.1
trillion of lending to the rest of | 0:46:29 | 0:46:36 | |
the EU in 2015 alone, this is a
clear example of where only looking | 0:46:36 | 0:46:40 | |
at precedent would hurt both the UK
and the EU economies. As in other | 0:46:40 | 0:46:45 | |
areas of future economic
partnership, our goal should be to | 0:46:45 | 0:46:49 | |
establish the ability to access each
other's markets, based on the UK and | 0:46:49 | 0:46:57 | |
EU maintaining the same regulatory
outcomes over time, with a mechanism | 0:46:57 | 0:47:02 | |
for propulsion consequences where
they are not maintained. Given the | 0:47:02 | 0:47:06 | |
highly regulated area of financial
services, and our shared desire to | 0:47:06 | 0:47:10 | |
manage financial stability risks, we
would need a collaborative, | 0:47:10 | 0:47:14 | |
objective framework that is
reciprocal, mutually agreed and | 0:47:14 | 0:47:18 | |
permanent, and therefore reliable
for businesses. There are many other | 0:47:18 | 0:47:23 | |
areas where the UK and EU economies
are closely linked, including | 0:47:23 | 0:47:29 | |
energy, transport, digital, Law,
science and innovation, education | 0:47:29 | 0:47:32 | |
and culture. One energy, we want to
secure broad energy cooperation with | 0:47:32 | 0:47:35 | |
the EU. This includes protecting the
single electricity market across | 0:47:35 | 0:47:42 | |
Ireland and Northern Ireland, and
options for the UK's continued | 0:47:42 | 0:47:47 | |
participation in the EU's internal
energy market. We also believe it is | 0:47:47 | 0:47:51 | |
of benefit for both sides for the UK
to have a close association | 0:47:51 | 0:47:59 | |
to have a close association with
Euratom. We want to protect the | 0:47:59 | 0:48:01 | |
rights of road hauliers to access
the EU market and vice versa. One | 0:48:01 | 0:48:09 | |
digital, the UK will not be part of
the single digital market, which | 0:48:09 | 0:48:13 | |
will continue to develop after our
withdrawal from the EU. This is a | 0:48:13 | 0:48:17 | |
fast evolving, innovative sector, in
which the UK is a world leader, so | 0:48:17 | 0:48:22 | |
it will be particularly important to
have domestic flexibility to ensure | 0:48:22 | 0:48:27 | |
the regulatory environment can
always respond nimbly and | 0:48:27 | 0:48:30 | |
ambitiously to new developments. We
want our agreement to cover several | 0:48:30 | 0:48:37 | |
judicial Corporation, where the EU
has already shown it can reach | 0:48:37 | 0:48:39 | |
agreement with non-member states,
such as through the regard no | 0:48:39 | 0:48:43 | |
convention, although we would want a
broader agreement which reflects our | 0:48:43 | 0:48:46 | |
unique starting point, and our
agreement will also need to cover | 0:48:46 | 0:48:51 | |
company law and intellectual
property to provide further legal | 0:48:51 | 0:48:54 | |
certainty and coherence. The UK is
also committed to establishing a | 0:48:54 | 0:49:00 | |
far-reaching science and innovation
packed with the EU, facilitating the | 0:49:00 | 0:49:04 | |
exchange of ideas and researchers.
That would enable the UK to | 0:49:04 | 0:49:08 | |
participate in key programmes
alongside our EU partners. We want | 0:49:08 | 0:49:12 | |
to take a similar approach to
education and cultural programmes, | 0:49:12 | 0:49:16 | |
to promote our shared values and
enhance our intellectual strength in | 0:49:16 | 0:49:19 | |
the world. Again, making an ongoing
contribution to cover our fair share | 0:49:19 | 0:49:25 | |
of the costs involved. In all of
these areas, bold and creative | 0:49:25 | 0:49:30 | |
thinking can deliver new agreements
that are in the very best interests | 0:49:30 | 0:49:34 | |
of all of our people, both in the UK
and across the EU. In the face of a | 0:49:34 | 0:49:41 | |
worrying rise in protectionism, I
believe such agreements can enable | 0:49:41 | 0:49:44 | |
us to set an example to the world.
For the world is watching. We should | 0:49:44 | 0:49:52 | |
not think of our leaving the EU as
marking and ending, so much as a new | 0:49:52 | 0:49:59 | |
beginning for the United Kingdom and
our relationship with our European | 0:49:59 | 0:50:02 | |
allies. Change is not to be feared,
so long as we face it with a | 0:50:02 | 0:50:07 | |
clear-sighted determination to act
for the common good. Nor is Brexit | 0:50:07 | 0:50:11 | |
an end in itself, rather it must be
the means by which we reaffirm | 0:50:11 | 0:50:17 | |
Britain's place in the world and
renew the ties that bind us here at | 0:50:17 | 0:50:21 | |
home. I know that the United Kingdom
I treasure can emerge from this | 0:50:21 | 0:50:27 | |
process a stronger, more cohesive
nation. They United Kingdom which is | 0:50:27 | 0:50:33 | |
a cradle for innovation, a leader in
the industries of the future, a | 0:50:33 | 0:50:36 | |
champion of free trade are based on
high standards, a modern, outward | 0:50:36 | 0:50:43 | |
looking, tolerant country, proud of
our values and confident of our | 0:50:43 | 0:50:47 | |
place in the world. This is an
optimistic and confident future | 0:50:47 | 0:50:50 | |
which can unite us all. A global
Britain which thrives in the world, | 0:50:50 | 0:50:56 | |
by forging a bold and comprehensive
economic partnership with our | 0:50:56 | 0:51:00 | |
neighbours in the EU and reaches out
beyond our continent, to trade with | 0:51:00 | 0:51:04 | |
nations across the globe. The
approach that I have set out today | 0:51:04 | 0:51:09 | |
would implement the referendum
result, provide an enduring | 0:51:09 | 0:51:13 | |
solution, protect our security and
prosperity, help us build the kind | 0:51:13 | 0:51:17 | |
of country we want to be and bring
our country together by commanding | 0:51:17 | 0:51:23 | |
the confidence of those who voted
Leave and those that voted Remain. | 0:51:23 | 0:51:27 | |
It is an approach to deliver for the
whole of our United Kingdom, and our | 0:51:27 | 0:51:31 | |
wider family of overseas
territories. I am in no doubt that, | 0:51:31 | 0:51:36 | |
whatever agreement we reach with the
EU, our future is bright. The | 0:51:36 | 0:51:41 | |
stability and continuity of
centuries of self-government, our | 0:51:41 | 0:51:46 | |
commitment to freedom under the rule
of law, our belief in enterprise and | 0:51:46 | 0:51:50 | |
innovation, but, above all, the
talent and genius of all of our | 0:51:50 | 0:51:55 | |
people, and especially our young
people, are the seeds of our success | 0:51:55 | 0:51:59 | |
in the future, as they have been the
guarantors of our success in the | 0:51:59 | 0:52:04 | |
past. I look forward to discussing
our future partnership with our | 0:52:04 | 0:52:08 | |
European friends. Because, although
we are leaving the EU, and in that | 0:52:08 | 0:52:13 | |
regard we will become separate, we
are all still European and will stay | 0:52:13 | 0:52:19 | |
linked by the many ties and values
we have in common. It is only by | 0:52:19 | 0:52:26 | |
working together that we will find
solutions that work for all our | 0:52:26 | 0:52:30 | |
peoples. Yes, there will be ups and
downs in the months ahead, as in any | 0:52:30 | 0:52:35 | |
negotiation no one will get
everything they want. We will not be | 0:52:35 | 0:52:39 | |
buffeted by those wanting a
walk-out. | 0:52:39 | 0:52:52 | |
It is my responsibility as Prime
Minister to provide that leadership | 0:52:52 | 0:52:55 | |
for our country at this crucial
time. By following the course I set | 0:52:55 | 0:53:00 | |
out today, I am confident we will
get there and deliver the right | 0:53:00 | 0:53:04 | |
outcome for Britain and the EU. A
generation from now, what will be | 0:53:04 | 0:53:11 | |
remembered is not the rough and
tumble of negotiation but whether we | 0:53:11 | 0:53:15 | |
reached and injuring solution, the
interests of the people that we are | 0:53:15 | 0:53:19 | |
all here to serve. My message to our
friends in Europe is clear. We know | 0:53:19 | 0:53:27 | |
what we want, we understand your
principles, we have a shared | 0:53:27 | 0:53:31 | |
interest in getting this right. So
let's get on with it. Thank you. | 0:53:31 | 0:53:36 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:53:36 | 0:53:42 | |
Theresa May, ending at 45 minute
speech, the third Brexit speech, | 0:53:43 | 0:53:47 | |
with an optimistic note and our
message to the EU. Trying to answer | 0:53:47 | 0:53:52 | |
the criticism, by stating that she
does know what she wants. They have | 0:53:52 | 0:53:55 | |
criticised her for saying that she
doesn't. There are also going to be | 0:53:55 | 0:53:59 | |
questions and answers to the Prime
Minister now. Let's go back over | 0:53:59 | 0:54:02 | |
what she said. She started the
speech by returning to what she said | 0:54:02 | 0:54:05 | |
on the steps of Downing Street. A
country that works for everyone, not | 0:54:05 | 0:54:10 | |
a privileged few. That was the
template for the whole of this | 0:54:10 | 0:54:13 | |
Brexit speech. She quickly dismissed
the existing models for Britain, in | 0:54:13 | 0:54:16 | |
terms of Norway and Canada. She said
they would not work for the UK, | 0:54:16 | 0:54:22 | |
going forward. Then it was a speech
of hard choices. She did actually | 0:54:22 | 0:54:27 | |
answer some of the big questions.
She said life was going to be | 0:54:27 | 0:54:31 | |
different when we leave the EU, we
are leaving the single market, which | 0:54:31 | 0:54:35 | |
she has stated before, and our
access is going to be less. We have | 0:54:35 | 0:54:39 | |
not heard her say that. No, they are
not going to be able to have their | 0:54:39 | 0:54:43 | |
cake and eat it, which some of the
Cabinet had said in the past. She | 0:54:43 | 0:54:48 | |
also said that EU law and decisions
of the European Court of Justice | 0:54:48 | 0:54:52 | |
will continue to affect us in
certain instances. She gave various | 0:54:52 | 0:54:57 | |
examples of that, if you pass the
same law as the EU it may make sense | 0:54:57 | 0:55:01 | |
to look at what the European Court
of Justice has done in the past. She | 0:55:01 | 0:55:05 | |
then pointed to some of the tensions
that exist for the European Union. | 0:55:05 | 0:55:09 | |
She said that their position is also
incompatible. She said the UK has | 0:55:09 | 0:55:18 | |
been told it has to have an
off-the-shelf model, but said that | 0:55:18 | 0:55:21 | |
none of the third country agreements
that have already been done would be | 0:55:21 | 0:55:25 | |
suitable for Britain. She said that
was negotiation, and that was | 0:55:25 | 0:55:29 | |
obviously meant for Michel Barnier,
the EU negotiator, and neither side | 0:55:29 | 0:55:33 | |
can have exactly what we want. That
is the first time we have heard that | 0:55:33 | 0:55:37 | |
sort of language. There was one
statement that may upset some of the | 0:55:37 | 0:55:41 | |
Brexiteers, and also my guest in the
studio, reciprocal binding | 0:55:41 | 0:55:46 | |
commitments to guarantee fair and
open competition. How far did she | 0:55:46 | 0:55:51 | |
see mirroring the European rules and
regulations going forward? But in a | 0:55:51 | 0:55:54 | |
strong riposte to Michel Barnier's
criticism of cherry picking, that | 0:55:54 | 0:55:58 | |
the UK can't do, she said every
trade agreement is cherry picking. | 0:55:58 | 0:56:02 | |
In that instance, we should be able
to find a third way. That has been | 0:56:02 | 0:56:08 | |
rejected, of course, by the EU. She
said no to a customs union, that | 0:56:08 | 0:56:12 | |
will upset some of the Remain
colleagues in the Conservative | 0:56:12 | 0:56:16 | |
Party. Again, an Northern Ireland,
it was not entirely clear how she | 0:56:16 | 0:56:20 | |
sees this frictionless border
working between Ireland and Northern | 0:56:20 | 0:56:24 | |
Ireland when it comes to goods going
across what she says will be a | 0:56:24 | 0:56:30 | |
frictionless border, and no hard
border will be erected. The customs | 0:56:30 | 0:56:33 | |
partnership that she talked about
will narrate EU rules of origin. So, | 0:56:33 | 0:56:38 | |
she is still looking for a third
way. It has actually given ground, | 0:56:38 | 0:56:44 | |
if you like, to say that Britain is
not going to get everything at once. | 0:56:44 | 0:56:48 | |
It was a reality check for
Brexiteers like you. You are not | 0:56:48 | 0:56:52 | |
going to be up to have your cake and
eat it, you have to put up with less | 0:56:52 | 0:56:55 | |
market of the single market, which
was not what will set out by the | 0:56:55 | 0:56:59 | |
Brexit Secretary? What I heard was
the most optimistic and positive | 0:56:59 | 0:57:02 | |
tone I think I have heard from the
Prime Minister in a long time. I | 0:57:02 | 0:57:06 | |
think the words that came out most
from the whole speech were | 0:57:06 | 0:57:09 | |
reciprocity, fair and open
competition. The fact that she has | 0:57:09 | 0:57:12 | |
been fairly clear that she is happy
to be flexible, that we must be | 0:57:12 | 0:57:17 | |
flexible, but that the EU must as
well. We want them to be as good a | 0:57:17 | 0:57:20 | |
place as we want to be, in a
different relationship, a deep and | 0:57:20 | 0:57:25 | |
special relationship. She kept
reiterating those words. That energy | 0:57:25 | 0:57:28 | |
that everybody needs to come to to
get to a situation that works for | 0:57:28 | 0:57:31 | |
everybody. But no customs union, not
in the way that you would like to | 0:57:31 | 0:57:36 | |
see. Do you accept that another way
can be found to keep Northern | 0:57:36 | 0:57:40 | |
Ireland part of the UK but still
have frictionless trade? No, she | 0:57:40 | 0:57:45 | |
talked about two other options. As
far as I can see it, they still do | 0:57:45 | 0:57:49 | |
not stop Northern Ireland possibly
becoming a back door into the rest | 0:57:49 | 0:57:52 | |
of the EU via the Republic of
Ireland, on standards, rules of | 0:57:52 | 0:57:57 | |
origin. I just don't see how it
works, to be quite frank. Either you | 0:57:57 | 0:58:01 | |
are in the customs union and you
avoid that visible hard border, or | 0:58:01 | 0:58:04 | |
you are not and you will have to
have some checks. There are no other | 0:58:04 | 0:58:08 | |
countries in the rest of the world,
there are no other countries that | 0:58:08 | 0:58:12 | |
avoid a border. You've got Sweden
and Norway, there are checks on | 0:58:12 | 0:58:15 | |
lorries going across the border.
You've got Canada and the US, there | 0:58:15 | 0:58:20 | |
are checks on lorries going across
those borders. It is just not going | 0:58:20 | 0:58:24 | |
to fly, what she talked about, with
regard to the other options. What do | 0:58:24 | 0:58:28 | |
you say to that? If there are
checks, it will be a hard border? We | 0:58:28 | 0:58:32 | |
need to see how it pans out. She
mentioned the Taoiseach, working | 0:58:32 | 0:58:36 | |
with him to find a way that will
work for everybody so there isn't a | 0:58:36 | 0:58:38 | |
hard border. She has been clear that
is not acceptable. That is the | 0:58:38 | 0:58:46 | |
objective, but there is no clear
route without the customs union. | 0:58:46 | 0:58:48 | |
Let's speak now to the Conservative
MP Anna Soubry, she's been a critic | 0:58:48 | 0:58:51 | |
of the government's position over
Brexit. | 0:58:51 | 0:58:54 | |
What was your reaction? To be
welcomed, in the sense that the | 0:58:54 | 0:58:57 | |
Prime Minister is clearly waking up
to the realities. I think she has | 0:58:57 | 0:59:01 | |
always known that, actually, look,
she is facing a very difficult task. | 0:59:01 | 0:59:06 | |
Well, we know that! Exactly. She has
the difficulties she has within the | 0:59:06 | 0:59:10 | |
Conservative Party and that is a
fact. I think she is beginning to | 0:59:10 | 0:59:15 | |
bring people together. If she
achieves that, it will be | 0:59:15 | 0:59:17 | |
remarkable, and good luck to her.
The other thing that I think she is | 0:59:17 | 0:59:21 | |
now appreciating, or at least
talking about, is this huge gulf | 0:59:21 | 0:59:25 | |
that exists between what the EU has
made very clear is there Brexit | 0:59:25 | 0:59:29 | |
reality, and where we have been. I
think we are seeing that she is now | 0:59:29 | 0:59:35 | |
publicly explaining that, and she is
saying, at the moment, the way that | 0:59:35 | 0:59:39 | |
she is falling, that we will not
have the access that we have had in | 0:59:39 | 0:59:44 | |
the past. That is not what David
Davis promised. Do you accept that, | 0:59:44 | 0:59:48 | |
that in order to have a new
relationship, to strike out on free | 0:59:48 | 0:59:53 | |
trade deals as a third country, to
still maintain those high | 0:59:53 | 0:59:57 | |
regulations, we won't be able to
have the same access? No, I'm afraid | 0:59:57 | 1:00:01 | |
I don't accept any of these things.
Nobody voted to be poorer. What | 1:00:01 | 1:00:05 | |
we're talking about is an acceptance
that our economic prosperity will | 1:00:05 | 1:00:09 | |
not be as good. May I just say, it
is very important that we lance this | 1:00:09 | 1:00:16 | |
boil about free trade agreements.
The Government's own analysis shows | 1:00:16 | 1:00:20 | |
that even if we got all of the free
trade agreement is available, and | 1:00:20 | 1:00:23 | |
God knows we have already got 40 of
them, they will not make good the | 1:00:23 | 1:00:30 | |
damage that will be caused to our
economy by leaving the single | 1:00:30 | 1:00:33 | |
market. This is a negotiation, as
Theresa May has said. It is a | 1:00:33 | 1:00:37 | |
negotiation for the EU as well. It's
all very well for them to reject | 1:00:37 | 1:00:40 | |
everything that has been put on the
table so far, that having listened | 1:00:40 | 1:00:44 | |
to the speech from Theresa May,
would you expect them to move and | 1:00:44 | 1:00:47 | |
look more closely at a bespoke deal?
The big problem everybody is missing | 1:00:47 | 1:00:57 | |
is that we want any canonic solution
that keeps us in prosperity. But she | 1:00:57 | 1:01:02 | |
said every free trade agreement is
cherry picking, that is true? When | 1:01:02 | 1:01:06 | |
you have a free trade agreement,
both sides want to do the same for | 1:01:06 | 1:01:10 | |
their respective economies. This is
the mistake that is being made. For | 1:01:10 | 1:01:13 | |
us it is about the economy. For the
EU it is a political set of | 1:01:13 | 1:01:19 | |
negotiations in the sense that they
have to maintain the integrity of | 1:01:19 | 1:01:22 | |
the remaining 27 countries. This is
the big question to be asked. | 1:01:22 | 1:01:30 | |
Harmony German car manufacturers
have been to the German government | 1:01:30 | 1:01:35 | |
and said, for goodness' sake, do a
great deal with the UK because we | 1:01:35 | 1:01:38 | |
needed because of the market? Not
one. Because they understand the | 1:01:38 | 1:01:45 | |
integrity of the single market and
the customs union is absolutely | 1:01:45 | 1:01:47 | |
overpoweringly more important.
Truthfully, they can continue to get | 1:01:47 | 1:01:54 | |
FTAs at other countries that will
make good any drop in the sales to | 1:01:54 | 1:01:58 | |
our country. That is the harsh
reality that we have got to wake up | 1:01:58 | 1:02:02 | |
to. | 1:02:02 | 1:02:08 | |
She is not to be seen as some hard
Brexiteer. It might be uncomfortable | 1:02:21 | 1:02:26 | |
if others... We are both members of
Her Majesty 's government. Don't | 1:02:26 | 1:02:35 | |
promote Anna Soubry gesture to the
government. Not sure that would | 1:02:35 | 1:02:39 | |
happen anyway. In terms of
Brexiteers they not be happy because | 1:02:39 | 1:02:43 | |
we say we are leaving the EU,
leaving the single market and the | 1:02:43 | 1:02:49 | |
customs union and we shouldn't have
the European Court of Justice | 1:02:49 | 1:02:52 | |
overseen. We should not seek to
tarnish people with the same brush. | 1:02:52 | 1:02:58 | |
There are different sorts of people
who voted for Brexit. You have the | 1:02:58 | 1:03:02 | |
hard Brexiteer is, the one you have
spoken about. Slung out of the | 1:03:02 | 1:03:07 | |
party. I identified Theresa May as
the person who had done that. We are | 1:03:07 | 1:03:16 | |
those with hard Brexit, and then
there are many who voted obviously | 1:03:16 | 1:03:20 | |
to leave, but they are not the
hardliners. I have been approached | 1:03:20 | 1:03:26 | |
by three, only in the last week, all
of whom voted leave, but now are | 1:03:26 | 1:03:32 | |
seeing the | 1:03:32 | 1:03:42 | |
seeing the value of EFTA and there
is a shift. Would you accept that | 1:03:42 | 1:03:47 | |
sort of shift? We set out the
framework the Prime Minister wants | 1:03:47 | 1:03:55 | |
to see. How do you bring Anna Soubry
on board? We will keep working | 1:03:55 | 1:04:00 | |
together as best as we can. Do you
think it is going to be possible? | 1:04:00 | 1:04:06 | |
One of the challenges and beauty of
sovereignty is we will get to a | 1:04:06 | 1:04:09 | |
point where we can all live for the
outcome, it won't be perfect for me, | 1:04:09 | 1:04:13 | |
it won't be perfect for you. Can you
live with it? I am an old-fashioned, | 1:04:13 | 1:04:21 | |
pragmatic conservative, it runs all
the way through me. We both know | 1:04:21 | 1:04:25 | |
there are some in our party who are
not of that way, they are hardline | 1:04:25 | 1:04:28 | |
and they | 1:04:28 | 1:04:36 | |
and they will not shift. That
speech, the way she positioned it, | 1:04:36 | 1:04:38 | |
the reality she has accepted, the
judgments of the ECJ, is welcome | 1:04:38 | 1:04:42 | |
news. The reality of the
difficulties in Northern Ireland. | 1:04:42 | 1:04:45 | |
Emma Reynolds is absolutely right,
there needs to be an alternative and | 1:04:45 | 1:04:50 | |
non-is forthcoming. What Theresa May
has just said in answer to a | 1:04:50 | 1:04:54 | |
question post this speech is no deal
is still better than a bad deal, do | 1:04:54 | 1:04:59 | |
you agree? No, what I want to see is
the European Union making this | 1:04:59 | 1:05:06 | |
clear, there are many options that
will face us. I say in good faith, I | 1:05:06 | 1:05:11 | |
wish Theresa May all the best. In
the way John Major did when he made | 1:05:11 | 1:05:15 | |
his speech? I am not talking about
John Major. He also wished her well. | 1:05:15 | 1:05:23 | |
I am saying this Prime Minister
wants the right thing for our | 1:05:23 | 1:05:26 | |
country and is driven by a sense of
public duty. Does it worry you she's | 1:05:26 | 1:05:33 | |
saying no deal is better than a bad
deal? Of course, when it comes to | 1:05:33 | 1:05:39 | |
the withdrawal agreement in October,
the EU has made it clear we still | 1:05:39 | 1:05:43 | |
have options. The agreement, we can
stay or become like Norway. It is | 1:05:43 | 1:05:49 | |
important parliament and the public
know there is an alternative to the | 1:05:49 | 1:05:53 | |
sorts of Brexit that unfortunately
is being put forward at the moment. | 1:05:53 | 1:05:57 | |
But the Prime Minister, her speech
is to be welcomed, she is moving in | 1:05:57 | 1:06:02 | |
the right direction and facing
Brexit reality. Anna Soubry, thank | 1:06:02 | 1:06:06 | |
you. Emma Reynolds, Parliament is
sovereign she said, but could reject | 1:06:06 | 1:06:12 | |
EU regulations and standards but
accepted the UK would be locked out | 1:06:12 | 1:06:16 | |
in terms of access, what did you
make of that? I welcome the fact she | 1:06:16 | 1:06:21 | |
has acknowledged we will not have
the same type of access to the | 1:06:21 | 1:06:24 | |
single market if we do not abide by
the rules and if we leave the single | 1:06:24 | 1:06:28 | |
market. But I would like her to
spell out what that means in terms | 1:06:28 | 1:06:32 | |
of jobs and investment. According to
the leaked report we saw on those | 1:06:32 | 1:06:40 | |
feet, it will mean growth will be
less than it would be if we stayed | 1:06:40 | 1:06:43 | |
in the single market and there will
be a threat to jobs and investment. | 1:06:43 | 1:06:47 | |
I would like to see has spell out in
Parliament when she comes to do her | 1:06:47 | 1:06:51 | |
statement, and I will ask her and
maybe Steve Baker could enlighten | 1:06:51 | 1:06:55 | |
us, it is good she had recognised
there are hard choices and we won't | 1:06:55 | 1:06:59 | |
have the same access to the EU
market. What does that mean in terms | 1:06:59 | 1:07:03 | |
of jobs and investment. | 1:07:03 | 1:07:05 | |
We're joined now by the Brexit
minister Steve Baker. | 1:07:05 | 1:07:09 | |
Theresa May conceded there will have
to be less access to the single | 1:07:09 | 1:07:13 | |
market at the Brexit, but David
Davis famously promised last year, | 1:07:13 | 1:07:18 | |
the exact same benefits in terms of
access to the single market after | 1:07:18 | 1:07:21 | |
Brexit, as we have now. Has the
government realised Brexit reality, | 1:07:21 | 1:07:28 | |
it is impossible to have back? The
Prime Minister set out an ambitious | 1:07:28 | 1:07:32 | |
and credible plan and I think we can
be proud of what has been set out. | 1:07:32 | 1:07:36 | |
If we go forward with the plan, it
will serve our interest and the | 1:07:36 | 1:07:41 | |
European Union's. Do you accept that
was was promised to the UK by the | 1:07:41 | 1:07:46 | |
Brexit secretary and others is now
possible? The speech, as it was set | 1:07:46 | 1:07:52 | |
out should be taken on its own
terms. She set out how we can have | 1:07:52 | 1:07:56 | |
an enduring relationship with the
European Union, a vision on which | 1:07:56 | 1:07:58 | |
the country can unite and I'm
looking forward to delivering it. | 1:07:58 | 1:08:03 | |
Can you unite and support the speech
and some of the suggestions she made | 1:08:03 | 1:08:07 | |
in Britain staying in permanent
locks that in certain areas like | 1:08:07 | 1:08:11 | |
state aid, workers' rights and the
environment, where you pleased to | 1:08:11 | 1:08:15 | |
hear that? We have been on a journey
of these speeches where the | 1:08:15 | 1:08:20 | |
Secretary of State set out we would
be high standards country. The Prime | 1:08:20 | 1:08:23 | |
Minister said there is no serious
political constituency in this | 1:08:23 | 1:08:27 | |
country to seriously reduce
standards. And the European Court of | 1:08:27 | 1:08:31 | |
Justice still arbitrating in certain
areas pose Brexit? Don't get carried | 1:08:31 | 1:08:36 | |
away on this. In areas, do you
accept that? The language people | 1:08:36 | 1:08:43 | |
should refer to as the Prime
Minister's. She was clear the | 1:08:43 | 1:08:48 | |
jurisdiction of the European Court
of Justice will end in the UK... She | 1:08:48 | 1:08:52 | |
said EU law and the decisions of the
ECJ will continue to affect us. | 1:08:52 | 1:09:00 | |
Number one, the jurisdiction of the
ECJ will end in the UK. Parliament | 1:09:00 | 1:09:04 | |
will be sovereign. But the example
she gave is a pertinent one. Even | 1:09:04 | 1:09:08 | |
the United States of America was
affected by the ECJ's judgment on | 1:09:08 | 1:09:13 | |
safe harbour. That is the reality of
international trade. When you are | 1:09:13 | 1:09:19 | |
cooperating with trading partners,
their domestic decisions will have | 1:09:19 | 1:09:22 | |
an effect on trading relations and
that is to be expected. She did say | 1:09:22 | 1:09:28 | |
Parliament is sovereign but also you
would have the right to reject those | 1:09:28 | 1:09:35 | |
rules and regulations in the future.
Is it your belief we stay close to | 1:09:35 | 1:09:38 | |
them for now, those high standards,
but there is the possibility they | 1:09:38 | 1:09:40 | |
could be rejected down the line?
This is a matter for Parliament. So | 1:09:40 | 1:09:45 | |
it is true, isn't it? We will become
a normal, parliamentary democracy | 1:09:45 | 1:09:51 | |
operating at high standards with
liberty under the rule of law, all | 1:09:51 | 1:09:54 | |
those things the Prime Minister set
out. We will be on the basis of a | 1:09:54 | 1:09:58 | |
normal style of free trade agreement
with the European Union, albeit with | 1:09:58 | 1:10:04 | |
unprecedented ambition. David Davis
wrote to Tory MPs this week to say | 1:10:04 | 1:10:08 | |
Britain wouldn't pay the £40 billion
divorce bill into law the issues | 1:10:08 | 1:10:12 | |
have been resolved. Is it still on
the table, should it still be on the | 1:10:12 | 1:10:20 | |
table as a threat to the EU if they
don't look at some of the offers | 1:10:20 | 1:10:24 | |
made by Theresa May? It is not a
threat. It is a principle that | 1:10:24 | 1:10:26 | |
nothing is agreed until everything
is agreed. So that could be Rene | 1:10:26 | 1:10:30 | |
don? Nobody is threatening anyone,
we are talking in a spirit of | 1:10:30 | 1:10:37 | |
optimism. The principle of the EU
has articulated is that nothing is | 1:10:37 | 1:10:42 | |
agreed until everything is agreed.
Right, no deal is still better than | 1:10:42 | 1:10:47 | |
a bad deal, how much planning is
there going forward for no deal? The | 1:10:47 | 1:10:53 | |
Prime Minister explained what we
cannot do is access the rights of | 1:10:53 | 1:10:56 | |
Canada and the obligations of
Norway. That is something people can | 1:10:56 | 1:11:01 | |
agree to. Of course, any responsible
government must prepare for all | 1:11:01 | 1:11:05 | |
possible outcomes and we continue to
do that. What planning is being | 1:11:05 | 1:11:10 | |
done? We have plans across all
relevant government departments. Is | 1:11:10 | 1:11:15 | |
that still a very real option in the
minds of governments and ministers | 1:11:15 | 1:11:20 | |
like you? The very real option is we
move forward now, prioritising the | 1:11:20 | 1:11:28 | |
implementation period which we
intend to deliver, and hope to | 1:11:28 | 1:11:31 | |
deliver in March. Once we have
agreed the implementation period, to | 1:11:31 | 1:11:34 | |
get on with negotiating for the
vision for which the Prime Minister | 1:11:34 | 1:11:39 | |
has set out. She articulated a blue
sky vision for the border with | 1:11:39 | 1:11:44 | |
Ireland and Northern Ireland, no
acceptance of a customs union to get | 1:11:44 | 1:11:48 | |
over that issue, as some in
Parliament have suggested. How would | 1:11:48 | 1:11:53 | |
it work? One of the points of the
customs union, it doesn't answer all | 1:11:53 | 1:11:57 | |
of the questions. Answer how she
thinks it will work? What the | 1:11:57 | 1:12:02 | |
Taoiseach and the Prime Minister
have agreed, the first that of rules | 1:12:02 | 1:12:05 | |
which arise is through our future
economic partnership. This is why we | 1:12:05 | 1:12:08 | |
need a set of recognition agreements
which deal with regulations on both | 1:12:08 | 1:12:14 | |
sides and we need free tariff access
and we need a customs agreement. If | 1:12:14 | 1:12:18 | |
we do all the things which the Prime
Minister set out, then I believe we | 1:12:18 | 1:12:23 | |
can deliver a borderless,
frictionless border in Northern | 1:12:23 | 1:12:27 | |
Ireland... No checkpoints, no
lorries being stopped, totally | 1:12:27 | 1:12:34 | |
frictionless? I am convinced that we
can do it. People need to look at | 1:12:34 | 1:12:40 | |
the report from the European
Parliament, and have a serious think | 1:12:40 | 1:12:45 | |
about what is possible if there is
the political will. You are happy | 1:12:45 | 1:12:49 | |
with a closer alliance in terms of
rules and regulations with the EU? I | 1:12:49 | 1:12:54 | |
am happy with the way the Prime
Minister has articulated her speech, | 1:12:54 | 1:12:58 | |
Parliament will be sovereign and the
jurisdiction of the ECJ will end and | 1:12:58 | 1:13:03 | |
we will be a free enterprise country
based on high standards in a race to | 1:13:03 | 1:13:08 | |
the top. Steve Baker, thank you for
coming to talk to us. That was the | 1:13:08 | 1:13:14 | |
end of Theresa May's third Brexit
speech. I have to say thank you for | 1:13:14 | 1:13:20 | |
my guests coming in and keeping me
company throughout the show. I will | 1:13:20 | 1:13:23 | |
be back with the Daily Politics at
the usual time of noon on Monday. | 1:13:23 | 1:13:27 | |
Goodbye. | 1:13:27 | 1:13:30 |