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After seven years leading the British Conservative Party and more | :00:29. | :00:32. | |
than two years as Prime Minister, why did David Cameron need to tell | :00:32. | :00:37. | |
us this week who he is and what he stands for? Is the shooting of a | :00:37. | :00:41. | |
14-year-old girl in Pakistan are watershed for Pakistan and the | :00:41. | :00:46. | |
entire country? And the EU wins the Nobel Peace Prize - is it ever | :00:46. | :00:51. | |
likely to win the prize for economics? Shahar so dollar is with | :00:51. | :00:58. | |
us, Agnes Poirrier, Catherine Mayer and Steve Richards. The British | :00:58. | :01:00. | |
party conference season has seen the leader of the opposition, Ed | :01:00. | :01:06. | |
Miliband, trying to reintroduce himself to the British public and | :01:06. | :01:08. | |
redefine his party as One Nation Labour. More surprisingly, the | :01:08. | :01:12. | |
Prime Minister, David Cameron, also talked about his background and | :01:12. | :01:15. | |
redefined his personal values and tried to explain what his | :01:15. | :01:18. | |
leadership is all about. Why is it that he feels we don't already | :01:18. | :01:22. | |
know? The speech was very well received generally by critics on | :01:22. | :01:26. | |
the left and right, but it did seem he was trying to fill a big gap. | :01:26. | :01:31. | |
the really interesting point. I think the answer to it is that he | :01:31. | :01:36. | |
has deliberately avoided giving too much definition. In other words, he | :01:36. | :01:39. | |
has deliberately avoided talking about his past because he doesn't | :01:39. | :01:44. | |
want to talk about the fact that he went to Eton. He felt finally he | :01:44. | :01:48. | |
had to address it head-on, seven years after becoming leader. | :01:48. | :01:52. | |
Similarly with his policies, they are quite radical. George Osborne, | :01:52. | :01:57. | |
the Chancellor, in his speech described them rightly in my view | :01:57. | :02:01. | |
as quiet revolution. What has happened is they have preferred to | :02:01. | :02:04. | |
get on with it without trying to explain to match what they are | :02:04. | :02:08. | |
trying to do. But it's not working politically and he felt he had to | :02:08. | :02:13. | |
come out and find himself more clearly this week. That has the | :02:13. | :02:18. | |
advantage of some clarity. He put his case well. But it does mean | :02:18. | :02:22. | |
that the next election will be the first fought for some time where we | :02:22. | :02:27. | |
will have a Conservative leader arguing absolutely rooted on the | :02:27. | :02:30. | |
right of British politics, which is where I think he is and will be, | :02:30. | :02:34. | |
and a Labour leader more clearly to the centre-left than was the case | :02:34. | :02:40. | |
under either Tony Blair and, publicly, Gordon Brown. I wondered | :02:40. | :02:45. | |
how much you felt, as part of these calculations, the Boris factor | :02:45. | :02:49. | |
comes into it? The Mayor of London, not because he's going to become | :02:49. | :02:53. | |
leader of the Conservative Party, but he is somebody who has had a | :02:53. | :02:57. | |
similar privileged background, who bangs on about it and is quite | :02:57. | :03:01. | |
happy to talk about it and is actually a popular figure. David | :03:01. | :03:05. | |
Cameron never seeming to be ashamed of his Etonian background, he says | :03:05. | :03:08. | |
he wants to spread that kind of privilege around, but he hasn't | :03:08. | :03:13. | |
been so clear, has he? That's right. Boris played into the conference in | :03:13. | :03:18. | |
all sorts of interesting ways. What that meant was you had this spectre | :03:18. | :03:21. | |
always at the edge of the stage whenever Cameron was there of the | :03:21. | :03:26. | |
person who is seen as the next leader now. Which may be a curse | :03:26. | :03:31. | |
for Boris. Borrowers behaved himself at this conference. -- | :03:31. | :03:35. | |
Boris. He not only didn't say anything terribly in from a trip, | :03:35. | :03:39. | |
but he is quite capable of whipping up a crowd into a frenzy. It's one | :03:39. | :03:44. | |
of the reasons he's so popular. He didn't do it, he had these two big | :03:44. | :03:47. | |
speeches, but particularly one in the Symphony Hall, where he could | :03:47. | :03:51. | |
have had people eating out of his hands. He really dialled it down | :03:51. | :03:54. | |
quite a lot. One of the most interesting things I found, I don't | :03:55. | :03:59. | |
know whether this is just me being completely jaded after three weeks | :03:59. | :04:02. | |
of party conferences, was how successful they were at being | :04:02. | :04:09. | |
boring. Is that they complement? thought it was very interesting | :04:09. | :04:14. | |
because it was a very workmanlike conference. It was a conference | :04:14. | :04:18. | |
about a party that is in government that sees itself in government to | :04:18. | :04:22. | |
2050. And for once they seemed more interested in talking to each other. | :04:22. | :04:28. | |
I think Cameron's speech was very much addressed to his base, rather | :04:28. | :04:33. | |
than... Usually these speeches are so... Have some edge of an eye | :04:33. | :04:37. | |
towards the outside world watching. I'm not saying it didn't, but a lot | :04:37. | :04:40. | |
of this conference was about trying to bring the party back together | :04:40. | :04:45. | |
again. All three conferences were really boring, dull and workmanlike. | :04:45. | :04:51. | |
There is a reason for that. In fairness to the parties, lively | :04:51. | :04:54. | |
conferences are nearly always dangerous for the parties to stage | :04:54. | :04:59. | |
lively conferences. However, in British politics much more than | :04:59. | :05:03. | |
French politics and American politics at the moment, there is a | :05:03. | :05:09. | |
fear of excitement. There's plenty of excited people on the far left | :05:09. | :05:15. | |
and far right in some countries. Boris and Cameron were playing a | :05:15. | :05:21. | |
very balanced game. They come from the same background. Boris is | :05:21. | :05:26. | |
banging on about it and Cameron is being rather discreet about it. But | :05:26. | :05:33. | |
they are in their respective roles. Boris is a jest, of ball-winner in | :05:33. | :05:38. | |
the king's court. That is what he plays. He does it very well. And | :05:38. | :05:43. | |
Cameron is the PM. He can't do the same things. But together they are | :05:43. | :05:47. | |
quite good. The question is when they will fight each other, if they | :05:47. | :05:53. | |
ever do? The you impressed by the spectacular of dullness of all the | :05:53. | :05:58. | |
conferences, as actually a great strength? I was not impressed | :05:58. | :06:05. | |
because I expected it. If the Bard hadn't written Macbeth today and | :06:05. | :06:09. | |
written all those lines, I would have sworn he was talking about | :06:09. | :06:14. | |
party conferences. What Cameron said this time around was more in | :06:14. | :06:18. | |
response to Ed Miliband. Remember the One nation idea was originally | :06:18. | :06:26. | |
a Tory idea. The connotation that Ed Miliband had in mind was, we | :06:26. | :06:30. | |
should be one nation and, being one nation, we should all go through | :06:30. | :06:34. | |
this economic crisis together, everyone paying for it together | :06:34. | :06:38. | |
according to what you can pay. Because the main attack on the | :06:38. | :06:42. | |
Tories has been that the cutbacks are fine but they don't hit | :06:42. | :06:45. | |
everyone equally, the underprivileged of getting hit | :06:45. | :06:50. | |
harder than the privileged. The manner in which Mr Cameron | :06:50. | :06:54. | |
explained his background was to say, yes, I am from a privileged | :06:54. | :07:00. | |
background but that privilege was the one through hard work. My dad | :07:00. | :07:06. | |
was disabled. He had a very difficult childhood because his dad | :07:06. | :07:09. | |
decided to run away with another woman, which is enterprise at its | :07:09. | :07:17. | |
best, you could say. It was to give that picture that, look, yes, we | :07:17. | :07:20. | |
are the party of the privileged but we are not the party of the | :07:20. | :07:23. | |
privileged guys who are born with a silver spoon in their mouth. We | :07:23. | :07:29. | |
have worked for that privilege. far as Ed Miliband is concerned, | :07:29. | :07:32. | |
the good news talking about One Nation Labour, Bataz clearly | :07:32. | :07:39. | |
resonated because in some cases, some analysis of the speech show an | :07:39. | :07:43. | |
attack on that, but the bad news is the Conservative attack is you are | :07:43. | :07:47. | |
talking about one nation but you are opening up a Class War battle. | :07:47. | :07:52. | |
That is essentially what you're doing. Going on and on about how | :07:52. | :07:56. | |
you went to comprehensive school. think the bad news for Ed Miliband | :07:56. | :08:01. | |
is that given that he gave a good speech and has adopted quite an | :08:01. | :08:05. | |
audacious seizure of Conservative territory, he will be inevitably | :08:05. | :08:09. | |
scrutinised now to find out what it means. Geographically, he's got a | :08:09. | :08:14. | |
case because of the UK at the moment. Labour is the only party to | :08:14. | :08:18. | |
be represented fairly well across the country in local government | :08:18. | :08:22. | |
elections and so on, Scotland, where the Conservatives are non- | :08:22. | :08:26. | |
existent. On that sense it works. He will now have to explain in | :08:26. | :08:30. | |
policy terms what he means by that. That in politics is always the | :08:30. | :08:37. | |
hardest bit. You can get the mood music right but in opposition the | :08:37. | :08:40. | |
art of applying policies which chime with the mood music, and he | :08:40. | :08:44. | |
hasn't even started on that part, that is the real challenge for him. | :08:44. | :08:48. | |
Cameron is in a very difficult position. The scene from France, he | :08:48. | :08:53. | |
looks totally a prison of the hard right. In a way, he is paying for | :08:53. | :08:57. | |
not having won a big majority in the 2010 election, and therefore he | :08:57. | :09:04. | |
is a prisoner of these lunatics, eurosceptics asking for more and | :09:04. | :09:08. | |
more. That is what he does. He gives them a lot, he doesn't seem | :09:08. | :09:13. | |
to be rewarded. It's really funny because you are seeing that | :09:13. | :09:16. | |
completely a mirror images of what I see. I would say I totally agree | :09:16. | :09:20. | |
with you that Cameron's problems have to do with the fact he wasn't | :09:20. | :09:23. | |
a winner, he didn't win the election, and he therefore | :09:23. | :09:28. | |
literally can't be the master of his own destiny, but also his base | :09:28. | :09:32. | |
is worried that he isn't a winner. But what that means is not that he | :09:32. | :09:36. | |
is going more to the right than he would, it means he is being forced | :09:36. | :09:42. | |
to do these things to show that he is a broader-based politician. | :09:42. | :09:47. | |
broader on the right. The know, it's these Big Society ideas that | :09:47. | :09:51. | |
keep coming back. It's the stuff about a marriage which provoked the | :09:51. | :09:54. | |
liveliest fringe debates that there were. It's all of these things to | :09:54. | :09:58. | |
try and show that he is in the centre ground that don't really | :09:58. | :10:06. | |
ring as true as a lot of the rest of it. The shooting of a 14-year- | :10:06. | :10:10. | |
old Pakistani girl who campaigned for her right edge case there has | :10:10. | :10:13. | |
shocked people around the world. Some see it as a watershed moment, | :10:13. | :10:16. | |
galvanising those who did not recognise that the Taliban affect | :10:17. | :10:21. | |
the state of Pakistan itself. Is this a turning point? How able is | :10:21. | :10:24. | |
Pakistan when it comes to containing the Taliban? In the Swat | :10:24. | :10:28. | |
Valley in particular, people have had to face quite a lot of trouble | :10:28. | :10:33. | |
from the Taliban. Why has this become so resonant with in the | :10:33. | :10:39. | |
country? This is a very unusual case. Here is this 14-year-old | :10:39. | :10:43. | |
child. All she wanted to do was go to school and become a teacher. I | :10:43. | :10:50. | |
think it has really hit the whole country that if you can hit a girl, | :10:50. | :10:53. | |
just for the simple reason she wants to go to school and acquire | :10:53. | :10:59. | |
an education, you have to be something very abnormal. That said, | :10:59. | :11:02. | |
while there are prayers going on all over Pakistan and people are | :11:02. | :11:06. | |
coming on and saying that this is not acceptable, somehow or the | :11:06. | :11:12. | |
other this is not translating into a result to go out and confront the | :11:12. | :11:17. | |
Taliban and hit them. They are still a lot of people who are | :11:17. | :11:24. | |
saying, well, yes, the Taliban have done this, but is that real, can | :11:24. | :11:29. | |
you take that on face value, what pressures were on them to do this? | :11:29. | :11:33. | |
Iraq conspiracy theories are floating around that this was done | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
because the government was planning and action in North Waziristan and | :11:37. | :11:39. | |
this was supposed to politically pave the way for that. Any number | :11:39. | :11:43. | |
of people will come on Pakistani television screens and say, yes, we | :11:43. | :11:46. | |
are talking all the time about his one girl who has been hit by the | :11:46. | :11:50. | |
Taliban, what about the thousands of people there have been killed | :11:50. | :11:54. | |
with drones? There was one drone which hit the school and 80 | :11:54. | :11:58. | |
children died. Did you ever hear about it? Things like that, they | :11:58. | :12:03. | |
are muddying the water. I think Pakistan is some considerable way | :12:03. | :12:10. | |
yet from getting a unanimity of views on the all-important question | :12:10. | :12:15. | |
- whether or not this is Pakistan's war, or is this just America's war? | :12:15. | :12:20. | |
A lot of people are still saying this is America's war. Were you go | :12:20. | :12:23. | |
from there is that if it is America's war, Pakistan doesn't | :12:23. | :12:29. | |
have to fight it. Even for those who might think this is a wall, | :12:29. | :12:33. | |
there's the next question to be asked. If it is our war, do you | :12:33. | :12:37. | |
really think that a military response must play a major part, | :12:37. | :12:41. | |
not the only part, but a major part in fighting this war? And in | :12:42. | :12:45. | |
getting this argument forward, I think the Pakistani media has to | :12:45. | :12:50. | |
play a huge role, especially the electronic media. In a country | :12:50. | :12:54. | |
where education levels are low, it is the electronic media really | :12:54. | :13:00. | |
which is the opinion format. Again, that is not happening quite as | :13:00. | :13:05. | |
unequivocally as one would like to see. There are any number of people | :13:05. | :13:08. | |
who espouse this sort of other nonsense who are given so much time | :13:08. | :13:13. | |
on air channels to say what they feel. I know you've written a lot | :13:13. | :13:18. | |
about secularism in France and religious extremism. How is that | :13:18. | :13:23. | |
particular story, the 14-year-old girl who just wants to go to | :13:23. | :13:30. | |
school? Ban Ki-Moon had a really good expression yesterday. He said, | :13:30. | :13:37. | |
they are in fear of one thing. A woman with a book. Here is this | :13:37. | :13:41. | |
teenager's who wears the veil. She is not Madonna, she just wants to | :13:41. | :13:47. | |
go to school. She started writing for a block for the BBC when she | :13:47. | :13:54. | |
was 11, just to talk about her daily life. I was hoping that she | :13:54. | :13:59. | |
would get the Nobel Peace Prize, actually. A sort of symbolic | :13:59. | :14:05. | |
gesture. I'm very happy with the choice they may eventually. You've | :14:05. | :14:09. | |
got the human face on a struggle that everybody understands, which | :14:09. | :14:17. | |
is a girl's life and education. is the symbol. Education and a | :14:17. | :14:21. | |
feminist issue as well. But you start losing patience with Pakistan. | :14:22. | :14:26. | |
Of course you will find people saying this is terrible, but do | :14:26. | :14:33. | |
something. I agree with what you said about the drones and the | :14:33. | :14:37. | |
muddying of the water. But the other thing that embodies the | :14:37. | :14:40. | |
waters spectacularly is the fact that it is members of the | :14:40. | :14:43. | |
government, members of the judiciary, people in positions of | :14:44. | :14:47. | |
authority who give such mixed messages, or rather you have some | :14:47. | :14:51. | |
of them giving messages that are more in a line it with what the | :14:51. | :14:55. | |
Taliban has done. It's not been the case this time. The members of the | :14:55. | :15:00. | |
government, which is the PPP, the MP and the other party which formed | :15:00. | :15:04. | |
the government, they have been absolutely very clear in what they | :15:04. | :15:10. | |
have been saying. They have been unequivocally critical of the | :15:10. | :15:13. | |
Taliban. They've been mentioning the Taliban and saying these guys | :15:13. | :15:18. | |
have got to go out again. That is what is interesting about this girl, | :15:18. | :15:22. | |
you have this response because she was a young girl, somebody that | :15:22. | :15:29. | |
everybody felt horrified by that attack. However, you look at what | :15:29. | :15:34. | |
happened... You look at the people who came out, there were members of | :15:34. | :15:40. | |
the judiciary who were actually throbbing white rose petals. -- | :15:40. | :15:48. | |
throw-in. It is that ilk, that sort of thinking, they are still | :15:48. | :15:50. | |
muddying the water and giving you these conspiracy theories and | :15:50. | :16:00. | |
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talking about the drones as if this What is always interesting it is | :16:06. | :16:12. | |
the ambiguity that you summarised earlier, as to whether Pakistan | :16:12. | :16:17. | |
feels responsible, whether it is an American responsibility. Say that | :16:17. | :16:27. | |
this particular episode does to some extent resolved that ambiguity, | :16:27. | :16:32. | |
what form would some kind of military response to take? When you | :16:32. | :16:39. | |
say, we have got to go after these people, that is difficult. It is, | :16:39. | :16:43. | |
because this is not a war in the normal sense. The other side does | :16:43. | :16:48. | |
not wear uniforms, you cannot often identify it, they melt into the | :16:48. | :16:55. | |
mountains. Nor am I saying that the military response has to be the | :16:55. | :17:00. | |
only response. There are various levels of Taliban, various | :17:00. | :17:04. | |
organisations that constitute it, they have different levels of | :17:04. | :17:08. | |
commitment. Perhaps all of them do not define the cause in the same | :17:08. | :17:15. | |
terms. It has to be a multi-faceted approach. To some, you can talk, to | :17:15. | :17:18. | |
some, you can try to bring them into the mainstream of political | :17:18. | :17:26. | |
life. But with some,... How did you talk to a person that wants to | :17:26. | :17:36. | |
shoot a 14 year old girl? Is it a question of education? It is. | :17:36. | :17:39. | |
the whole population, and intelligence. It is one thing to | :17:39. | :17:44. | |
say, it is almost impossible to track them, they disappear, but it | :17:44. | :17:51. | |
can be done sometimes. It is true. One of the great tragedies of | :17:52. | :17:54. | |
Pakistan, not only that the education system has been so | :17:54. | :18:00. | |
ignored in the recent past, that much of the education that has been | :18:00. | :18:04. | |
given would need the education before the person can receive the | :18:04. | :18:10. | |
education. The Nobel Peace Prize has been are | :18:10. | :18:14. | |
awarded to the EU for its part in peace in Europe since World War II. | :18:14. | :18:19. | |
It comes in a week in which the visit of Germany's Chancellor to | :18:19. | :18:26. | |
Athens saw pretend that is with swastikas take to the streets. Then | :18:26. | :18:32. | |
the Onassis seen to be gaining headway in Greece. Is the EU at a | :18:32. | :18:42. | |
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worthy winner of the prize? It has been treated put laughter. In or | :18:46. | :18:50. | |
about to last for another 15 minutes. Ike and the only one | :18:50. | :18:56. | |
around the table... I was quite astounded at first, I thought, is | :18:56. | :19:06. | |
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that right? What does that mean? After a while, I was punching the | :19:09. | :19:15. | |
air, I said, of course! I thought this was inspiring, enlightened, | :19:15. | :19:24. | |
visionary. Of all times, to give it when we are at each other's throats, | :19:24. | :19:30. | |
and Angela Merkel going to Athens, you have got the swastika flags,... | :19:30. | :19:36. | |
7000 police on the streets. It is fantastic to take the long view. | :19:36. | :19:42. | |
Which are enthralled with the euro crisis, Nigel Farage saying it is | :19:42. | :19:47. | |
ridiculous, extreme parties in Europe fanning the flames of | :19:47. | :19:53. | |
discontent, and you look back and you think, my grandparents, who | :19:54. | :20:00. | |
died in the 90s, we found in their attic 30 kilos of sugar, in case | :20:00. | :20:10. | |
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there would be another war, and I do not have to store kilogrammes of | :20:10. | :20:15. | |
sugar, because I take a piece for granted. France and Germany, this | :20:15. | :20:22. | |
morning, I looked at the picture of Dresden after the war, the famous | :20:22. | :20:28. | |
picture, the angel looking down, under think, and you think, this is | :20:28. | :20:38. | |
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quite recent. But for us, it is history. For that alone, OK. The | :20:38. | :20:48. | |
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backlash will come! I think it is a brilliant choice for comedy. I have | :20:50. | :20:53. | |
decided the committee is actually a collective of avant garde | :20:53. | :20:58. | |
performance artists, and they do this every year, to see how far | :20:58. | :21:07. | |
they can go. I am enthusiastic about many aspects of the European | :21:07. | :21:11. | |
Union, I just think the timing is hilariously inappropriate. There | :21:11. | :21:16. | |
are so many things that you could praised the EU for, and the | :21:16. | :21:23. | |
citation gets a lot of it so wrong. You are correct about peace and the | :21:23. | :21:27. | |
forerunner of the EU binding France and Germany together, but many of | :21:27. | :21:32. | |
the things that appear to have been claimed for the two were partly | :21:32. | :21:38. | |
down to other organisations, like NATO, and the EU did not bring down | :21:38. | :21:44. | |
the Berlin Wall. Also, the notion that there has been improvement in | :21:44. | :21:50. | |
places like the Balkans, the EU was not able to prevent the biggest | :21:50. | :21:57. | |
conflict that there has been since its founding, the Bosnian war. It | :21:57. | :22:02. | |
had precious little impact. But if Yugoslavia had been part of the EU, | :22:02. | :22:09. | |
that would not have been a war. There is an argument that stable | :22:09. | :22:14. | |
democracies, former fascist countries are much more stop will - | :22:15. | :22:18. | |
- much more stable now. But that is why the argument is so difficult | :22:18. | :22:26. | |
now, because you cannot say that Greece is stable now. Particularly | :22:26. | :22:30. | |
places where these populist parties are rising at a very fast and | :22:30. | :22:35. | |
alarming rate. To make the Nobel Peace Prize an act of provocation | :22:35. | :22:41. | |
in itself is part of the avant garde silliness of it all! All | :22:41. | :22:48. | |
prizes are silly, so you might as well send out a message. There is a | :22:48. | :22:55. | |
serious side to this. It reminded me why, for example, there were a | :22:55. | :23:03. | |
generation of British politicians who wanted us to join the EU, and | :23:03. | :23:12. | |
it related to their experience of the 1930s, at war. Ted Heath took | :23:12. | :23:15. | |
Britain into the who largely on those grounds, and we forgot about | :23:15. | :23:23. | |
that. Generations experienced the 1930s, and to be given a reminder | :23:23. | :23:28. | |
that, since 1945, there has been no equivalent conflict, and it is | :23:28. | :23:32. | |
partly to do with the fact that the countries that were always falling | :23:32. | :23:37. | |
out came together, it is not a bad thing for a prize, given that | :23:37. | :23:40. | |
prices are silly anyway. committee called the cause and | :23:40. | :23:47. | |
effect relationship wrong. It is not the EU that has given rise to | :23:47. | :23:56. | |
the desire for peace in Europe, it is the other way round. It started | :23:56. | :24:04. | |
off in 1950 as the oil, or call and Steel Community. These were the | :24:04. | :24:09. | |
items for which Waugh had been fought. People lived through wars, | :24:09. | :24:13. | |
they did not -- they knew what a horrendous thing the war was. It is | :24:13. | :24:22. | |
that that gave rise to the bowl -- to EU. Giving it Barack Obama a | :24:23. | :24:31. | |
peace prize that he was barely one year into his presidency,... Attila | :24:31. | :24:39. | |
the Hun and gained his card will consider themselves unlucky, | :24:39. | :24:44. | |
looking at who else has been given it. The only people that I can | :24:44. | :24:50. | |
think of that have got the prize who have really deserved it, people | :24:50. | :25:00. | |
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like Mother Teresa, the Bangladeshi that set up the bank, and so many | :25:01. | :25:05. | |
people from the United Nations, they have been paid to do that! | :25:05. | :25:14. | |
pick up the point, is this the committee thinking that the EU it | :25:14. | :25:24. | |
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is in trouble, so here is a fillip to say,...? We might think, this is | :25:27. | :25:31. | |
absolutely ridiculous, like when they gave it to Barack Obama, we | :25:31. | :25:37. | |
thought, he has only been in power for a few months. He thought it was | :25:37. | :25:45. | |
ridiculous. But now, he has got the Nobel Prize, so perhaps he has got | :25:45. | :25:55. | |
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responsibility. Look at what it did to the Chinese, yesterday, he | :25:56. | :26:01. | |
started talking about the Chinese dissident who got the Chinese Peace | :26:01. | :26:11. | |
Prize, saying, I hope he will be freed. Healthy counter-intuitive | :26:11. | :26:16. |