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A full roundup of the news at the top of the hour. Before that, | :00:00. | :00:08. | |
dateline Scotland, with Gavin Esler in Glasgow. | :00:09. | :00:28. | |
Welcome to Glasgow. A special edition of Dateline Scotland. One | :00:29. | :00:35. | |
month before the Scottish people go to the polls to vote for or against | :00:36. | :00:39. | |
independence, which, if it happens would be the biggest constitutional | :00:40. | :00:43. | |
change for the native kingdom in 300 years. If it does not happen, it | :00:44. | :00:48. | |
will still lead to a rethink of how the UK works. My guests are Tom | :00:49. | :00:53. | |
Gordon of the Sunday Herald. His newspaper supports a Yes vote. | :00:54. | :00:58. | |
Kenneth McKenna `` Kevin McKenna says he is leaning towards a Yes | :00:59. | :01:09. | |
vote. Lindsay McIntosh is a Scottish classical editor of The Times. | :01:10. | :01:17. | |
Welcome. Let's begin by setting the scene for the campaign for those | :01:18. | :01:21. | |
viewers watching around the world. Give us a flavour of where you think | :01:22. | :01:27. | |
we are. Mercifully, we are in the closing stages. Everyone is | :01:28. | :01:33. | |
exhausted. The broad picture is that they side that wants to oppose | :01:34. | :01:37. | |
independence is still in the lead. The lead has narrowed somewhat. The | :01:38. | :01:41. | |
no side is still ahead. For Alex Salmond, the Yes campaign has a bit | :01:42. | :01:49. | |
of ground to make up. Catherine, do you agree broadly with that | :01:50. | :01:53. | |
assessment? Dazzle the No campaign have to do much except sit tight? Or | :01:54. | :01:59. | |
should they offer a more positive vision, because that has been one of | :02:00. | :02:04. | |
the criticisms of Better Together? Polling starts in two weeks time. | :02:05. | :02:10. | |
The next two to four weeks will be critical. I do not think the No | :02:11. | :02:18. | |
campaign or are no thanks campaign can be complacent at all. There is a | :02:19. | :02:23. | |
lot to play for. There are a lot of undecided voters who are still | :02:24. | :02:28. | |
listening to the arguments. I think the No campaign must convince them | :02:29. | :02:32. | |
that a Yes vote is a risky vote. I disagree that they should be more | :02:33. | :02:39. | |
positive. I think any question they ask is construed as negative. And I | :02:40. | :02:42. | |
think they are asking legitimate questions. Lindsay? I think | :02:43. | :02:48. | |
Catherine is correct that they do not need to be more positive in | :02:49. | :02:54. | |
order to win. They seem to have a 20 point lead in some polls. They seem | :02:55. | :02:59. | |
on the front foot here. The problem is that if they do win and the | :03:00. | :03:04. | |
campaign is perceived to be negative we're left with a Scotland which | :03:05. | :03:10. | |
questions why it voted no and has perhaps not the self`confidence in | :03:11. | :03:15. | |
itself but we would like to see after making such a historical | :03:16. | :03:20. | |
decision. I have enjoyed the campaign. I can understand what Tom | :03:21. | :03:24. | |
is saying. He has been on the ground. I have never seen Scotland | :03:25. | :03:30. | |
more energised. I have never seen such a positive political dynamic in | :03:31. | :03:37. | |
the country. A lot of that has palpably been generated by the Yes | :03:38. | :03:41. | |
campaign. Because they are campaigning for something on | :03:42. | :03:47. | |
something they have been brought up on. It is quite evangelical in its | :03:48. | :03:52. | |
fervour. I have sympathy for the No campaign because it is difficult to | :03:53. | :03:56. | |
be positive about the negative. I understand what Catherine is saying | :03:57. | :04:00. | |
that it is not a negative campaign. But I think at its essence, it must | :04:01. | :04:05. | |
be negative because they are having to back down. They are having to | :04:06. | :04:11. | |
play with a straight bat, to use a cricket analogy. Hopefully, the | :04:12. | :04:15. | |
Nationalists do not come out with a big game changer. The No campaign | :04:16. | :04:19. | |
will be looking to play things straight, steady and not try to... | :04:20. | :04:25. | |
But don't they have to do, as Catherine suggested, two point | :04:26. | :04:35. | |
something out that these are the risks. That is all they have to do? | :04:36. | :04:40. | |
Of course there will be risks. It is a certain amount of naivete in the | :04:41. | :04:44. | |
hearts of some Nationalists when they say they are expecting the rest | :04:45. | :04:49. | |
of the country, who perhaps do not share their evangelical fervour, | :04:50. | :04:52. | |
that it is OK, everything will be fine. Trust us. But I do not think | :04:53. | :04:57. | |
they should get hung up on seeing there will be risks with an emerging | :04:58. | :05:01. | |
country after the hundred years any union. Of course there will be | :05:02. | :05:07. | |
risks. I think Kevin is right. There will be quite a lot of Scottish | :05:08. | :05:14. | |
people who would like to vote yes. What the no thanks campaign has to | :05:15. | :05:17. | |
say to them is that we understand that, we are patriotic, but if you | :05:18. | :05:21. | |
vote yes, you must realise that you may be poor, there is much | :05:22. | :05:28. | |
uncertainty, some vital questions, particularly about currency, have | :05:29. | :05:32. | |
not been answered and I think quite a lot of these people will not vote | :05:33. | :05:36. | |
yes because they will think it is too big a gamble. What you think of | :05:37. | :05:42. | |
the tone of the campaign? Kevin said in one sense it has been a great | :05:43. | :05:46. | |
national conversation. There's no doubt about that. These are | :05:47. | :05:49. | |
important questions and people engaging in politics, which is a | :05:50. | :05:55. | |
good thing. On the other hand, I know from friends there have been | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
divisions within families, workplaces, sometimes it can become | :06:00. | :06:05. | |
mean. There are people who were born Nationalists and will remain that | :06:06. | :06:11. | |
way whatever happens. I think they are operating... There are almost | :06:12. | :06:17. | |
two arguments. They believe we are Nationalists and should have | :06:18. | :06:20. | |
independence. The other side are seeing that we care about Scotland | :06:21. | :06:24. | |
but you must answer these questions. I think it is like apples and pears. | :06:25. | :06:29. | |
They are parallel conversations rather than an exchange. I have | :06:30. | :06:35. | |
friends who will vote yes and they actually say they do not care if | :06:36. | :06:39. | |
Scotland will be poor or not. There are a lot of people out there who do | :06:40. | :06:45. | |
care about whether they will be poorer. As we said before, it's the | :06:46. | :06:53. | |
economy, stupid. I can understand that at the coal face, 20 years, 30 | :06:54. | :07:01. | |
years... People have been thinking about it for a long time. I am | :07:02. | :07:05. | |
perplexed at the idea people are undecided. It is not because they | :07:06. | :07:11. | |
haven't been paying attention. They have been thinking about it on a | :07:12. | :07:16. | |
theoretical level. It has never been crystallised or become an imminent | :07:17. | :07:20. | |
possibility until now. People have started to think about it in a | :07:21. | :07:24. | |
different way because it is a real prospect. I agree with Devon that it | :07:25. | :07:27. | |
has been a generally uplifting and positive campaign. `` Kevin. | :07:28. | :07:33. | |
Politicians love this because people are glad to see them when they knock | :07:34. | :07:42. | |
on doors. Disengagement from politics has receded and people are | :07:43. | :07:46. | |
now actively engaging. The one exception is social media, which has | :07:47. | :07:50. | |
been anti`social. There has been a lot of abuse on that. But, | :07:51. | :07:54. | |
generally, town hall meetings have revived. 300 people turning up on a | :07:55. | :08:00. | |
wet Tuesday night to hear the debate. A good thing for Scotland. I | :08:01. | :08:06. | |
think it has been a good thing for Scotland. We need to have these | :08:07. | :08:10. | |
conversations. Where I disagree with Kevin and possibly Tom is that the | :08:11. | :08:13. | |
Yes campaign has been overwhelmingly positive. Particularly now, as they | :08:14. | :08:19. | |
enter the final straight, the is a huge amount of negativity. We are | :08:20. | :08:24. | |
starting to see messages like "you must vote yes because if you bought | :08:25. | :08:27. | |
now the Scottish budget will be slashed. We will be frozen out by | :08:28. | :08:34. | |
Westminster". What about the NHS, the police service, education? All | :08:35. | :08:37. | |
of those things will be cut if you do not vote yes, according to them. | :08:38. | :08:42. | |
And it is becoming an inherently negative campaign, ironically for | :08:43. | :08:47. | |
one which wants people to vote yes. You can see Alec Salmond has a lot | :08:48. | :08:52. | |
to do. He is behind in the polls. People generally do not think he did | :08:53. | :08:55. | |
so well in the last debate. He has one month to turn things around. Can | :08:56. | :09:00. | |
he do it? He has been a great campaigner in the past. We have | :09:01. | :09:03. | |
underestimated them at our peril in the past. At the Holyrood election, | :09:04. | :09:13. | |
which brought us to this level, around about four to five week in | :09:14. | :09:19. | |
the polls, the SNP were between 15 and 20 points behind. The internal | :09:20. | :09:22. | |
polling was telling them more optimistic messages. To the extent | :09:23. | :09:28. | |
that Alex Salmond himself was saying to senior advisers, I do not trust | :09:29. | :09:33. | |
our own figures. There was such a dissonance there. And then we all | :09:34. | :09:36. | |
know what happened. The SNP won an overall majority, which Holyrood was | :09:37. | :09:42. | |
set up to stop any single party gaining an overall majority. We're | :09:43. | :09:48. | |
at the same stage year. The Nationalists I have spoken to are | :09:49. | :09:53. | |
still quietly confident because of the pattern of their polling over | :09:54. | :10:00. | |
the last seven years. But, yes, I think he must still pool a big | :10:01. | :10:04. | |
rabbit out of the hat. He need something big and important or | :10:05. | :10:09. | |
somebody who has wanted to vote no to change their mind and say they | :10:10. | :10:16. | |
are voting yes. He need and optimistic figure to say good things | :10:17. | :10:20. | |
about an independent Scotland. I hear what Lindsey is saying about | :10:21. | :10:23. | |
the NHS and the negativity of the yes message, but it cannot really be | :10:24. | :10:29. | |
perceived as negative to say that the NHS in an independent Scotland | :10:30. | :10:33. | |
would fare better and be more fit for purpose than it is currently in | :10:34. | :10:38. | |
England. Looking back, the whole question of the pound and whether | :10:39. | :10:44. | |
you can keep it, has he mishandled that? It is very difficult, | :10:45. | :10:49. | |
presumably, to sell independence if you cannot be sure that you will | :10:50. | :10:57. | |
have an independent currency? I can see where he is coming from because | :10:58. | :11:03. | |
both sides had agreed at the Edinburgh agreement, which was going | :11:04. | :11:05. | |
to frame not just the terms of debate but also what would happen | :11:06. | :11:13. | |
afterwards, both sides agreed and signed up to act in the best | :11:14. | :11:17. | |
interests of the entire UK, whether a yes or vote book title No vote | :11:18. | :11:23. | |
prevailed. If you're cynical, you may say we have one and a half years | :11:24. | :11:28. | |
following a potential Yes vote were many things will come out in the | :11:29. | :11:33. | |
wash. It will be a lot of horse trading. We must make clear to | :11:34. | :11:36. | |
people who do not follow this closely, if there is a Yes vote, | :11:37. | :11:40. | |
they will not be a split the next day. It will take a long time and be | :11:41. | :11:49. | |
a process of disengagement. I simply cannot believe that Alistair | :11:50. | :11:52. | |
Darling, whom I know is a patriotically, committed Scott, Andy | :11:53. | :11:58. | |
Scott indeed that many of us are proud of, I cannot see the following | :11:59. | :12:01. | |
a Yes vote that Alistair Darling will set his face against a currency | :12:02. | :12:10. | |
union. He might not, but whatever the rest of the UK Government... One | :12:11. | :12:16. | |
of the things we must consider that whatever Scotland does is not in a | :12:17. | :12:21. | |
bubble. There are other people who will relate to what happens. I think | :12:22. | :12:28. | |
you are quite right. Alex Salmond wants a currency union, which will | :12:29. | :12:32. | |
mean that for the first time in 300 years, Scotland's fiscal policy will | :12:33. | :12:37. | |
be determined by a foreign country. They will tell us in Scotland how | :12:38. | :12:42. | |
much we can spend on health and education. What is independent about | :12:43. | :12:47. | |
that? I fail to see. I think it will be very hard for Alex Salmond to say | :12:48. | :12:51. | |
this is best for Scotland and what is more it is best for you too. | :12:52. | :13:03. | |
There are many companies that the Chancellor of the striker will tell | :13:04. | :13:08. | |
will be facing extra tariffs to move goods across the border to a country | :13:09. | :13:13. | |
which is currently England's biggest second trading partner after | :13:14. | :13:20. | |
America. Yes, but you do not know what the answer is. For a currency | :13:21. | :13:25. | |
union must be negotiation and nobody knows what the outcome of that | :13:26. | :13:28. | |
negotiation will be. And if it will not be in the interests of the rest | :13:29. | :13:32. | |
of the United Kingdom, it will not happen. But I think Lindsay is also | :13:33. | :13:38. | |
correct. If you look back over the last three months, Alistair Darling | :13:39. | :13:42. | |
is saying today what he said three months ago. He is asking the same | :13:43. | :13:52. | |
questions. Alex Salmond has moved from seeing it will be a confident | :13:53. | :13:56. | |
victory to saying we will not have an NHS in Scotland if it becomes | :13:57. | :14:01. | |
independent. The NHS in Scotland is completely independent at the | :14:02. | :14:09. | |
moment. It is completely devolved. I do not know if Alex Salmond said | :14:10. | :14:15. | |
that! Well, the noise in the media, is that the NHS in Scotland is | :14:16. | :14:25. | |
completely... That is an interesting area. How far is Scotland already | :14:26. | :14:32. | |
independent? The Better Together Campaign says you can have the best | :14:33. | :14:36. | |
of both worlds. That is the core of their argument. For anybody coming | :14:37. | :14:44. | |
year from outside, there has been law, schools, would most people not | :14:45. | :14:50. | |
have voted for more devolution had that been on the ticket two and that | :14:51. | :14:55. | |
is what they may get if it is a No vote? That does seem to be the most | :14:56. | :15:01. | |
popular option in the polls. There is still the issue that the Scottish | :15:02. | :15:09. | |
Parliament does not raise tax. It relies on financing from South of | :15:10. | :15:12. | |
the border. It can never really put on long trousers until it gets tax | :15:13. | :15:19. | |
raising powers. If you believe the Westminster politicians, that is | :15:20. | :15:24. | |
what you will get. They can put on three quarters length trousers | :15:25. | :15:26. | |
because they have tax`raising powers which they have chosen to use. They | :15:27. | :15:34. | |
decide how to spend NHS money in Scotland. Nobody else in Britain is | :15:35. | :15:40. | |
saying this is how much you have to spend on health. They can spend the | :15:41. | :15:45. | |
money they get from Westminster how they like at the moment. The Mac if | :15:46. | :15:50. | |
they keep slashing the budget by ?25 billion a year, that is going to | :15:51. | :16:03. | |
have a deleterious effect. How do you see this and how independent do | :16:04. | :16:08. | |
most Scots feel? They feel very independent about the issues we | :16:09. | :16:11. | |
talked about, health and education and so on. The problem is one that | :16:12. | :16:17. | |
Tom raises, that we do have too some extent a pocket money parliament | :16:18. | :16:19. | |
where it does not raise the money it spends and is not properly | :16:20. | :16:23. | |
accountable. Now that we are having this debate, however, on the | :16:24. | :16:26. | |
constitution that has been brought into focus and the Westminster | :16:27. | :16:31. | |
parties have been made to search within their policies and think, | :16:32. | :16:34. | |
what is the best constitutional settlement for Scotland within the | :16:35. | :16:39. | |
UK? What we have seen is the Conservatives bring forward | :16:40. | :16:43. | |
proposals involving income tax, Labour bringing forward proposals | :16:44. | :16:46. | |
short of that and Lib Dems searching for a federal model. Can I bring up | :16:47. | :16:51. | |
the question of trust which you raised, Kevin? One of the other | :16:52. | :16:55. | |
things that strikes me as an expatriate Scot coming here and | :16:56. | :16:58. | |
listening to the debate you get one side saying he would be ?1000 per | :16:59. | :17:02. | |
year better off if you vote our way and the other side ?1400 better off | :17:03. | :17:06. | |
if you vote the other way, your mortgages will go up ?1600 if you | :17:07. | :17:11. | |
vote yes as one newspaper headline this week said. None of these things | :17:12. | :17:16. | |
are facts. Despite you saying that the tone of the campaign has been | :17:17. | :17:20. | |
quite high, most of these things are opinions and when the politicians | :17:21. | :17:23. | |
save just trust our figures, maybe they will trust one side or the | :17:24. | :17:26. | |
other but if you are in the middle you might not trust either. I agree | :17:27. | :17:30. | |
that a lot of these figures are unquantifiable and not subject to | :17:31. | :17:35. | |
rigorous, objective research and they never will be until five years | :17:36. | :17:41. | |
down the line. So is this a leap, what you feel in your gut? This | :17:42. | :17:45. | |
whole cliche about the head and heart campaign, in the end it is a | :17:46. | :17:49. | |
heart decision. I agree with Catherine. I have no idea how much | :17:50. | :17:56. | |
better off or poorer we will be but an international expert in | :17:57. | :18:05. | |
anybody's currency. Perhaps if he came to a different conclusion he | :18:06. | :18:10. | |
would be a yes man. He is a no man because he has done his homework. | :18:11. | :18:17. | |
Has he got a knighthood yet? Go for the man and not the ball. Professor | :18:18. | :18:22. | |
Roy McDonald cannot be discredited on this programme by any of us. I | :18:23. | :18:30. | |
would never discredit him. Why were you asking if he had a knighthood. I | :18:31. | :18:36. | |
was just wondering. There are some facts in there but there are doubts. | :18:37. | :18:39. | |
Yes there are and lots of it will come down to trusts and gut feeling, | :18:40. | :18:43. | |
as Catherine said earlier with some of her friends who are born | :18:44. | :18:47. | |
nationalists. That I think one of the reasons why a lot of Labour | :18:48. | :18:51. | |
people are moving towards yes, at least 30%, is because they see | :18:52. | :18:57. | |
Labour have missed a massive opportunity here. Labour had an | :18:58. | :19:00. | |
opportunity to say we will come up with a third way. We want Devomax | :19:01. | :19:14. | |
and this is the way we will do it. If they had done that the issue of | :19:15. | :19:18. | |
independence would not be on the table. A lot of Labour voters are | :19:19. | :19:22. | |
moving towards yes because they are sick of seeing Ed Miliband share a | :19:23. | :19:27. | |
platform with the Tories. I'm fully expecting Ed Miliband to do the | :19:28. | :19:31. | |
keynote address at the next Tory party conference. I don't think that | :19:32. | :19:36. | |
is true, how many platforms as he shared with David Cameron? With | :19:37. | :19:41. | |
currency, with full independence. I don't think he has shared a platform | :19:42. | :19:45. | |
with him on that. You mean metaphorically? This is the first | :19:46. | :19:51. | |
time this year I've seen a Labour leader share a manifesto issue with | :19:52. | :20:01. | |
the Tories. We were talking about the cuts and that is also an | :20:02. | :20:06. | |
uncertainty. That plays into Mr Salmond's hands which is why he has | :20:07. | :20:10. | |
been trying to arrange a discussion on television with David Cameron | :20:11. | :20:13. | |
rather than with Alistair Darling. It was not so long ago Scotland have | :20:14. | :20:19. | |
no Conservative MPs at all and it has only had one in the last 12 | :20:20. | :20:24. | |
years or so. A majority of Scots voted Conservative in the 1950s so | :20:25. | :20:28. | |
it is not as if this has never been a conservative country. And voting | :20:29. | :20:35. | |
SNP. In the 1950s. Nowadays they are toxic and get a small | :20:36. | :20:40. | |
representation. About 15% of the vote in proportional representation | :20:41. | :20:43. | |
in the last Scottish Parliament real action. His wife Alex Salmond wanted | :20:44. | :20:47. | |
to debate David Cameron because he was the antithesis of what a lot of | :20:48. | :20:53. | |
Scots want from the politics. It is quite a short`term thing, though. If | :20:54. | :20:56. | |
independence is for ever it's about the principle, rather than the | :20:57. | :21:03. | |
expedient. It shouldn't influence voters but the SNP campaign | :21:04. | :21:14. | |
influences yes voters. They also motivate the fabled missing million, | :21:15. | :21:17. | |
the million or so people who have become habitual nonvoters and are | :21:18. | :21:21. | |
alienating by conventional politics. They still hate the Tories, they | :21:22. | :21:26. | |
might not follow politics too closely, but still hate the Tories | :21:27. | :21:30. | |
and this is a factor. Do any of you think, talking to for journalists, | :21:31. | :21:35. | |
do any of you think that the newspapers, which have Scottish | :21:36. | :21:38. | |
editions, have said something different to Scottish voters, like | :21:39. | :21:44. | |
the sun in England? `` Scottish papers. There is a possibility that | :21:45. | :21:49. | |
Rupert Murdoch, who has fallen out big`time with David Cameron, | :21:50. | :21:54. | |
especially when Cameron was happy to be his friend but then vetoed and | :21:55. | :22:01. | |
destroyed any possibility of the BSkyB merger because of the phone | :22:02. | :22:05. | |
hacking. I think there is a feeling amongst one or two people at the Sun | :22:06. | :22:11. | |
that this could be a classic opportunity for Rupert Murdoch to | :22:12. | :22:13. | |
give his former friend a bloody nose. If the sun came out for | :22:14. | :22:18. | |
Scottish independence that could be very interesting indeed. I don't | :22:19. | :22:24. | |
think it will make a difference. The Scottish Sun in 2007 ran a picture | :22:25. | :22:30. | |
of the SNP symbol converted into a hangman's news on the front page and | :22:31. | :22:33. | |
said if you vote for Alex Salmond you are putting your head in this | :22:34. | :22:40. | |
and the SNP won. However convincing journalists are perhaps we don't | :22:41. | :22:45. | |
change votes. They will want to be on the winning side this time | :22:46. | :22:50. | |
around. But he may want to be on the winning side in the English votes in | :22:51. | :22:57. | |
2015. He will flirt with this idea to extract political capital in the | :22:58. | :23:02. | |
rest of the UK. We only have a few minutes left. What difference would | :23:03. | :23:06. | |
it make if there was a Yes vote on the 18th? What difference would it | :23:07. | :23:10. | |
make for Scotland? It would be huge, as we have been saying, the biggest | :23:11. | :23:14. | |
change in 300 years so we need to start thinking about currency, we | :23:15. | :23:18. | |
need to talk about European Union membership. How on earth do you | :23:19. | :23:22. | |
break up this political union which has exist if the 300 years? There | :23:23. | :23:26. | |
must be so many things we have not even touched on yet which will come | :23:27. | :23:32. | |
out of the woodwork `` has insisted for 300 years. I think she is right. | :23:33. | :23:38. | |
We cannot get bogged down in bureaucratic issues for years to | :23:39. | :23:43. | |
come. It will be grim. We're not talking about issues that really | :23:44. | :23:46. | |
matter to people, whether they will be better schools and hospitals or | :23:47. | :23:50. | |
jobs, it will be a constant battle between Scotland and the rest of the | :23:51. | :23:54. | |
United Kingdom. The idea that you can do it in 18 months is | :23:55. | :23:59. | |
optimistic, to be kind. I think an independent Scotland would put | :24:00. | :24:06. | |
Scotland's relationship with England on a mature, amicable, friendly | :24:07. | :24:12. | |
footing. The union could be perceived to have run its course. It | :24:13. | :24:17. | |
is not fit for purpose any more. It was in the 18th and 19th centuries | :24:18. | :24:21. | |
when we had so many shared institutions. Those institutions are | :24:22. | :24:29. | |
beginning to become decayed. I think a confident, independent Scotland, | :24:30. | :24:32. | |
if that is what is going to happen, will be good for the rest of the UK | :24:33. | :24:37. | |
and the rest of the world. And I wonder if the BBC and the other | :24:38. | :24:42. | |
broadcasters today have to will have their cameras trained on the UN to | :24:43. | :24:45. | |
see a Scottish flag take its place with all the other free, independent | :24:46. | :24:50. | |
countries. Absolutely profound change, no matter what Alex Salmond | :24:51. | :24:54. | |
talks about continuity, profound change for Scotland and the UK. The | :24:55. | :25:00. | |
soul`searching Scotland has gone through over the last few years will | :25:01. | :25:03. | |
transfer to the rest of the UK as it wonders what kind of future to | :25:04. | :25:06. | |
establish for itself and its place in the world. I also think life will | :25:07. | :25:10. | |
go on and they will be a bumpy period of a few years and then for | :25:11. | :25:13. | |
an independent Scotland, if that's what happens, it will be back to the | :25:14. | :25:18. | |
grind, Legislation and policy and life goes on. In terms of the No | :25:19. | :25:23. | |
vote there will still be more devolution. The details will have to | :25:24. | :25:27. | |
be sorted out? I think they will. The Westminster parties have learned | :25:28. | :25:33. | |
the lessons of the aftermath of the first referendum and came back | :25:34. | :25:36. | |
within 15 years. They are acutely aware they do not want this to be a | :25:37. | :25:41. | |
never`ending thing. As it was in Canada. That's it for this special | :25:42. | :25:45. | |
edition of dateline Scotland in Glasgow. We will be back at the same | :25:46. | :25:49. | |
time next week. You can comment on the programme on Twitter using the | :25:50. | :25:53. | |
hashtag dateline. Thank you for watching. Goodbye. | :25:54. | :26:18. | |
There is a mixture of whether on offer through the rest | :26:19. | :26:23. | |
Blustery winds for sure across the northern half of Britain, | :26:24. | :26:27. | |
They will be some rain in the forecast but it is not | :26:28. | :26:33. |