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-You get a fantastic buzz -from living a double life. | 0:00:03 | 0:00:06 | |
-A very, very dangerous man. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:09 | |
-Nothing to say? | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
-It's so sad. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:16 | |
-A real eye-opener. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:20 | |
-My name is Sion Jenkins. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:30 | |
-In this series, I examine -some of the hot topics of our age. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:34 | |
-I'll shed light -on the darker corners of society... | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
-..and experience for myself -the stories that shape our world. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:43 | |
-Las Vegas, one of the USA's -most famous cities... | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
-..where millions of tourists -flock every year... | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
-..to the sumptuous hotels, the grand -casinos and the unique atmosphere. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:59 | |
-But after the biggest massacre -in US history... | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
-..I'm here to learn more about -a subject that splits this country. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:12 | |
-The gun laws. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:13 | |
-On 1 October last year, -22,000 people had gathered... | 0:01:23 | 0:01:28 | |
-..to enjoy a music festival -on Las Vegas' famous Strip. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:32 | |
-As the festival drew to a close, -a man called Stephen Paddock... | 0:01:32 | 0:01:36 | |
-..opened fire on the crowd from -his room at the Mandalay Bay Hotel. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:41 | |
-AUTOMATIC GUNFIRE | 0:01:42 | 0:01:44 | |
-He killed 58 people, -and 546 were injured. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:05 | |
-One of those present -was Anthony Robone. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
-He was there with his girlfriend -and his brother, Nick... | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
-..who had been given festival -tickets as a birthday present. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:17 | |
-So, this is it, -this is where it happened. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
-This is where it happened. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:22 | |
-It's Anthony's first time back here. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
-Was that the stage? | 0:02:27 | 0:02:29 | |
-What was your initial reaction -when you first heard the gunshots? | 0:02:31 | 0:02:35 | |
-Originally, -we thought it was firecrackers. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
-We didn't think much of it. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
-It's fine, it's not gunshots, -it isn't real. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
-As I'm saying that, -the third round goes off. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:47 | |
-Someone behind me said, "I got hit." | 0:02:47 | 0:02:49 | |
-I turned around and saw -that my brother had been wounded. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:53 | |
-He was spitting up blood -and bleeding from his shirt. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
-OK, this is real, -we've got to get out of here. | 0:02:57 | 0:02:59 | |
-When he had been shot, -what went through your head? | 0:03:00 | 0:03:04 | |
-I was scared to death, you know. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
-Not in the sense of, -is anyone else going to get hit... | 0:03:08 | 0:03:12 | |
-..just the sense that he's injured. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:14 | |
-That's the biggest worry, -making sure he's OK. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:18 | |
-But he's tough as nails, -one of the toughest guys I know. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:23 | |
-If anyone will get through a gunshot -to the chest, it's my brother. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:28 | |
-Nick did survive, but the scars -remain, both physical and mental. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:33 | |
-Since the shooting, -many memorials have been set up. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:43 | |
-They put faces -to the horrors of 1 October. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
-As you can see, -there are 58 crosses here... | 0:03:49 | 0:03:53 | |
-..to commemorate -those who died on 1 October. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:58 | |
-It includes -over 30,000 individual items... | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
-..and was moved from its original -location on the Las Vegas Strip. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:08 | |
-This is a book of condolence... | 0:04:10 | 0:04:12 | |
-..for people to pay tribute -to those who died. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
-This is quite powerful too. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
-A child, maybe. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:22 | |
-"Dear Quinton, I miss you so much. -I can't wait to see you again. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
-"You were such a bright soul -and I loved you with all my heart. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
-"I can't wait to see you again -and give you a super big hug... | 0:04:30 | 0:04:34 | |
-"..and I will be able to finally -tell you I love you again." | 0:04:34 | 0:04:38 | |
-There are also contributions -from survivors of that night. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:45 | |
-This is from Crystal. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:47 | |
-"That night will forever be -one of my worst nightmares... | 0:04:47 | 0:04:51 | |
-"..but also one of the most amazing -nights of humanity I've ever seen." | 0:04:51 | 0:04:54 | |
-Among the messages on the crosses... | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
-..are many from the loved ones -of those who died. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:01 | |
-There's one very powerful one there. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
-"Dad, my heart is forever broken. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
-"I loved everything about you. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
-"No words can explain -how much I love you and adore you. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:13 | |
-"I love you -with every ounce of strength. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
-"Thank you for being my dad. Your -son and best friend, Christian." | 0:05:16 | 0:05:21 | |
-Reading something like that, -from a son to his father... | 0:05:26 | 0:05:30 | |
-..makes you think -about losing your own father. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
-Today, I'm meeting a family -from Las Vegas... | 0:05:54 | 0:05:58 | |
-..to ask their opinion -of America's gun laws. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
-Regulations vary -from state to state... | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
-..but Nevada's -are among the most lax. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
-You don't need a permit -to own a gun... | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
-..you don't need -to register weapons... | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
-..and there's no limit -on how many guns one person can buy. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
-Hiya. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:23 | |
-Hello, how are you? | 0:06:23 | 0:06:24 | |
-Hello, how are you? - -Catrin, is it? | 0:06:24 | 0:06:25 | |
-It's nice to meet you. Are you OK? | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
-It's nice to meet you. Are you OK? - -Fine, thanks. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:28 | |
-Only one of the Turners -was born in Wales... | 0:06:29 | 0:06:34 | |
-..but Welsh is still -the language of the home. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:37 | |
-Here we all are. This is my father. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
-Here we all are. This is my father. - -Hello. Nice to meet you. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
-My brother, Micah, -and my sister Anya. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
-My other brother, Joshua, -and my mother, Gwennan. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
-How long have you lived -in Las Vegas? | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
-We've lived here three times. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:55 | |
-A total of ten years. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
-We've moved a lot. | 0:06:58 | 0:06:59 | |
-Keith's in the US Air Force, -which means that we move often. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:05 | |
-You clearly enjoy being out here. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:07 | |
-You clearly enjoy being out here. - -Yes, I love it. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:08 | |
-Catrin is 19 years old, -and was born in England. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:14 | |
-Her family moved to America -when she was two. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
-She has spent most of her life -here in Vegas. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:21 | |
-How did you react -to the events of 1 October? | 0:07:21 | 0:07:26 | |
-The shooting at the Mandalay Bay. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:28 | |
-How did you react? | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
-It was really shocking, I mean. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
-It happened 35 minutes away. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:38 | |
-It was at night, -and the whole family got up. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:42 | |
-The phones were engaged. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:44 | |
-We went through social media. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
-Oh my days, this happened here. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:48 | |
-Hundreds of people texted us, -messaged us, to check we were OK. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:52 | |
-Since the shooting, some have called -for gun laws to be tightened... | 0:07:54 | 0:07:59 | |
-..and limiting how many guns -one person can buy. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
-Do you think -that stricter gun laws in America... | 0:08:04 | 0:08:09 | |
-..could have prevented -what happened at the Mandalay Bay? | 0:08:09 | 0:08:13 | |
-Um, to be honest, no. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
-People might find that shocking. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
-Of course it would stop everything. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
-But really, no. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:24 | |
-It's not the fact -that guns killed all those people. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:29 | |
-That's not why it happened. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:31 | |
-It was the man behind it. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:34 | |
-It was his evil idea. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:37 | |
-But Catrin's mother, -who grew up in Wales... | 0:08:38 | 0:08:42 | |
-..finds it harder -to accept America's gun culture. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
-Things like that -don't happen often, obviously. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
-It was very close to our home. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:55 | |
-Very close to people we know. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
-It was just a shock, -the biggest shock being the number. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:03 | |
-Just how many people -were killed and injured... | 0:09:04 | 0:09:07 | |
-..and that nothing -could have been done to prevent it. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:12 | |
-It was terrible. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:14 | |
-Are you in favour -of stricter gun laws? | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
-Certainly. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:19 | |
-A lot of people argue -that it wouldn't work anyway. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
-That perpetrators of mass shootings -have something wrong with them. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:28 | |
-But generally, I think -stricter laws would be beneficial. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:32 | |
-Maybe then, over time, -within a century even... | 0:09:32 | 0:09:37 | |
-..it might be more applicable -to get rid of guns completely. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:41 | |
-Almost 300 people were working -at the music festival... | 0:09:47 | 0:09:51 | |
-..at the time of the shooting. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
-I met one of them, Heather Gooze, -at a community memorial garden. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:59 | |
-Hi, Heather. How are you? | 0:10:00 | 0:10:01 | |
-Good. How are you? | 0:10:01 | 0:10:03 | |
-Good to see you. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:04 | |
-That night, she was working -behind one of the bars. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
-But as the bullets hit... | 0:10:09 | 0:10:11 | |
-..she found herself -trying to save lives. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:15 | |
-This was Jordan's Facebook picture, -him and his girlfriend, Amber. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:20 | |
-He's the one... | 0:10:20 | 0:10:21 | |
-I was with him, -and he didn't make it... | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
-..and I stayed with him. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:28 | |
-So, he's... | 0:10:28 | 0:10:29 | |
-..even more than anything else. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
-..I'm not a husband or wife... | 0:10:33 | 0:10:35 | |
-..I'm not a best friend, -I'm not a girlfriend. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:38 | |
-I'm a perfect stranger who has -a connection to this person... | 0:10:38 | 0:10:42 | |
-..that I'll never ever not have. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:44 | |
-This is Chris Hazencomb, -out of California. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:50 | |
-He got brought out -on a barrier gate... | 0:10:50 | 0:10:55 | |
-..that they were using as gurneys. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
-We were holding -the back of his head. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:00 | |
-At one point, I had my finger -in the bullet hole... | 0:11:00 | 0:11:04 | |
-..trying to stop the bleeding. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:06 | |
-He got taken to the hospital, -he didn't make it. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:10 | |
-Does what happened -make you change our mind... | 0:11:11 | 0:11:15 | |
-..or reconsider your opinion -on guns at all? | 0:11:15 | 0:11:18 | |
-In my opinion, -and in a lot of people's opinion... | 0:11:19 | 0:11:22 | |
-..guns don't kill people, -it's people that kill people. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
-There are circumstances where guns -have to be there, be allowed. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:29 | |
-But they should be regulated -way more carefully. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:32 | |
-But you still believe in the right -to bear arms, despite what you saw? | 0:11:32 | 0:11:36 | |
-I believe in it as long as -there are stricter policies... | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
-..and much stricter background -checks and reasons for it. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:44 | |
-I don't think that anybody should be -able to just walk in and get a gun. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:49 | |
-I don't even think -that just any person... | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
-..should be allowed to walk -into a shooting range and rent one. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:56 | |
-But, after the break, -that's just what I'll be doing. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
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-I'm in Las Vegas to find out more... | 0:12:17 | 0:12:19 | |
-..about one of the hot topics -of US culture - guns. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:24 | |
-I've heard about a Welshman -who was in the US armed forces... | 0:12:26 | 0:12:30 | |
-..who has adopted -the American way of life. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
-This afternoon, -I'm meeting Gwyn Davies. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
-Originally from Bethesda... | 0:12:38 | 0:12:40 | |
-..he has lived here in Las Vegas -since 1992. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:44 | |
-He keeps guns, -and I want to ask him why. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:48 | |
-Hello? | 0:12:51 | 0:12:52 | |
-Gwyn, how are you? | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
-It's nice to meet you. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:56 | |
-It's nice to meet you. - -Sion, come in. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:57 | |
-Your guns are out here today. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
-Today, yes. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:05 | |
-It's lovely. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:06 | |
-It's lovely. - -Yes, why not? | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
-What have we got here? | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
-That's a Heckler & Koch handgun. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
-You certainly couldn't -have one of these in Wales. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
-No, not at all. Not any of them. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
-Is it just the three that you have? | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
-I used to have more, but I've kept -the three that are useful to me. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
-Why are they useful? | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
-A bit of sport, a bit of fun. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
-What are these two? | 0:13:39 | 0:13:41 | |
-Another two that I've kept -over the years. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
-None of them are loaded, as I said. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
-Squirrels. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:50 | |
-Right, yes. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:51 | |
-So, you hunt with this gun? | 0:13:51 | 0:13:53 | |
-It's a very small bullet, -.22 calibre. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
-Long round, doesn't go far. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
-Just a little over 100 yards. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:03 | |
-This one looks quite something. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
-This is the rifle -that I used in the army. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:10 | |
-This actual rifle? | 0:14:10 | 0:14:11 | |
-Yes, an M4 carbine. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:14 | |
-The difference... | 0:14:14 | 0:14:15 | |
-The difference between -an army rifle and this one... | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
-It's safe now, it won't fire -while we're handling it... | 0:14:21 | 0:14:27 | |
-Two options, safety and single shot. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:30 | |
-In the army, there's a third option -which is a little bit more fun! | 0:14:30 | 0:14:35 | |
-More dangerous. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:37 | |
-You can watch the money -being spent faster. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
-Gwyn lives about 15 minutes away -from the Mandalay Bay Hotel. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:46 | |
-This is where he heard -about the shooting. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
-What was your reaction -to the events in Las Vegas? | 0:14:49 | 0:14:53 | |
-He hadn't broken the law. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:55 | |
-There was no reason -to keep watch on him. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
-He went berserk, -he wasn't in his right mind. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
-No-one can harm others without -something being wrong up here. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
-During the year -before the shooting... | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
-..Stephen Paddock bought 33 guns, -entirely legally. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:16 | |
-23 were found in Paddock's room -at the Mandalay Bay. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:20 | |
-Even so, Gwyn doesn't think stricter -laws would have made a difference. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:26 | |
-I don't know how they would have -caught him, to be honest. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
-That's the thing. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:33 | |
-If he was going to... | 0:15:33 | 0:15:34 | |
-If he was evil enough -to want to hurt people... | 0:15:36 | 0:15:38 | |
-..he'd find a way. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:40 | |
-The guns weren't the problem, -the man was the problem, I think. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:45 | |
-But for thousands of Americans, -like Gwyn, shooting is fun. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:52 | |
-A gun is a plaything, not a weapon. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
-I tell people -it's like playing golf. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
-Really? | 0:15:58 | 0:15:59 | |
-Really? - -I've played golf. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:01 | |
-All the day's events... | 0:16:01 | 0:16:06 | |
-..have to be cleared -from your mind. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:08 | |
-With golf, it's just you, -the ball and the club. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:13 | |
-With this, it's just me, -my gun and the target. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:17 | |
-Some people in Wales -join a choir, but you... | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
-Have you heard my voice?! | 0:16:21 | 0:16:23 | |
-I break windows! | 0:16:24 | 0:16:25 | |
-Do you keep them -to shoot an intruder, for example? | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
-No, if someone broke in -at two in the morning... | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
-..they'd have to wrestle me -in my pants, God help them. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
-Meeting a Welshman in Las Vegas -who keeps such guns is surreal. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:45 | |
-But I want to meet Americans -who grew up with this culture... | 0:16:45 | 0:16:49 | |
-..and who believe passionately -in their right to bear arms. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:54 | |
-The Clark County Shooting Complex... | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
-..is the USA's largest -public shooting facility... | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
-..set on 2,500 acres -on the outskirts of Las Vegas. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
-Don Turner, president -of the Nevada Firearms Coalition... | 0:17:06 | 0:17:11 | |
-..designed and developed the site. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:13 | |
-Don is a prime defender of Nevadans' -rights to own and fire guns. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:19 | |
-Hi, Don. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:21 | |
-Hi, Don. - -Good morning. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:22 | |
-Welcome to the Clark County -Shooting Complex. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
-Don promises to show me -the buzz of firing a gun. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
-I'd like to introduce you to Sion. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
-We've got two new folks here -that want to sign in and get a card. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
-Go in the dining room, if you like. -Highlighted portions only. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:42 | |
-These safety cards are required -any time you're on the complex. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:46 | |
-They do not expire. If you -don't have them, you won't shoot. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
-There we are. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:52 | |
-I've been given a form to fill in... | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
-..before I'm allowed to fire a gun. | 0:17:56 | 0:18:00 | |
-The only other thing I must do -before going outside... | 0:18:03 | 0:18:07 | |
-..is watch a safety video. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
-Don and Doug agree to show me -what the complex has to offer. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:17 | |
-To warm up, they give me a shotgun -to sample clay pigeon shooting. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:22 | |
-You're right-handed? -Take this like so. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
-On your shoulder, -that's where I want the gun. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
-Right there. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:29 | |
-Bring this elbow up a bit more. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
-Take this hand and put it there... | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
-..and bring your cheek down -and put it on the comb. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
-That's what you want. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:40 | |
-That's what you want. - -Will there be much recoil? | 0:18:40 | 0:18:42 | |
-Not much at all. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:43 | |
-Shoot one to get the feel for it. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
-Pull! | 0:18:46 | 0:18:47 | |
-Just behind them. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:50 | |
-Pull! | 0:18:53 | 0:18:54 | |
-There are over 300 -shooting ranges in Nevada. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
-Shotguns may be legal in the UK... | 0:18:59 | 0:19:01 | |
-..but this is the first time -that I've fired a gun. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:05 | |
-Soon, my competitive side -comes to the fore. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
-Pull! | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
-There we go. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:15 | |
-I want to prove -that wasn't a one-off. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:19 | |
-Pull! | 0:19:20 | 0:19:21 | |
-I think I'm doing OK. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:26 | |
-I've hit four so far, I think. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:28 | |
-Better than I expected. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:31 | |
-Pull! | 0:19:31 | 0:19:32 | |
-Yes! | 0:19:35 | 0:19:36 | |
-The US Constitution -gives every individual... | 0:19:45 | 0:19:49 | |
-..the right to keep and bear arms. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:51 | |
-But the Second Amendment -is very controversial... | 0:19:52 | 0:19:56 | |
-..and has been hotly debated -over the centuries. | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
-It's a piece of legislation... | 0:20:03 | 0:20:04 | |
-..that Don Turner has spent his life -keenly supporting and defending. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:10 | |
-Why are you pro the Second Amendment -here in the USA? | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
-The answer is kind of complicated. -I'll try to simplify it. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:24 | |
-When our founders -put the Constitution together... | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
-..they realized that the only thing -that keeps a government... | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
-..from exceeding its authority -is the citizens being armed. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:35 | |
-Historically, whenever the -government has had all the power... | 0:20:35 | 0:20:39 | |
-..they've been very unfriendly -to their citizens. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
-So, the primary purpose -for the Second Amendment... | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
-..is to make sure that we the people -run the government... | 0:20:46 | 0:20:48 | |
-..and not the government -dictates to us. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:50 | |
-Why does it still -remain pertinent to this day? | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
-It was obviously created -in the 18th century. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
-How can it still be relevant? | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
-We are, as a country, -not trustful of our government. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:02 | |
-I know we elect them, but they get -in positions of power and stuff. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:06 | |
-It is a security thing for us... | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
-..to make sure -that we have the ultimate authority. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:10 | |
-But isn't that true for many -countries around the world? | 0:21:11 | 0:21:14 | |
-That their people -do not trust their governments? | 0:21:14 | 0:21:16 | |
-If they don't have the Second -Amendment, that's their fault. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
-Has what happened at the Mandalay -Bay had any effect on his opinion? | 0:21:20 | 0:21:26 | |
-Controlling evil is very difficult. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:28 | |
-Whatever motivated that person, -it was evil. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
-We could give up -all of our freedoms. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:33 | |
-Benjamin Franklin said -that those who are willing... | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
-..to give up security for safety -deserve neither security nor safety. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
-The Mandalay Bay -was a gun-free zone. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:43 | |
-They disarmed -all their security guards. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
-There was no way to oppose him. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:47 | |
-So, such a shooting is not enough -of a reason to give up your freedom? | 0:21:48 | 0:21:52 | |
-Not at all. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:53 | |
-Our homes are sacrosanct. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:55 | |
-Our Constitution -forbids the government... | 0:21:55 | 0:21:57 | |
-..from entering our houses -without warrants. | 0:21:57 | 0:21:59 | |
-But aren't people's lives -sacrosanct as well? | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
-Had that man who shot on 1 October -not had those guns... | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
-..would we be here -talking about such an atrocity? | 0:22:06 | 0:22:10 | |
-We wouldn't, -but why did he get them? | 0:22:10 | 0:22:12 | |
-Why did he do what he did? | 0:22:12 | 0:22:13 | |
-If we could answer that question, -we'd solve all the world's evils. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
-If you were at home -and someone broke in... | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
-..you wouldn't think twice -about pulling that trigger? | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
-Oh, I would think twice, -but I'd still pull the trigger. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
-Clearly, nothing -will change Don's mind. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:38 | |
-Hearing someone say such a thing -so directly is rather shocking. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:44 | |
-He's now going to show me another -gun that's illegal in the UK. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:48 | |
-I've already fired a shotgun, -but now I'll fire a handgun. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
-I can't do this in Wales -because handguns have been banned. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:56 | |
-Don will show me how to do it, -and we'll see how it goes. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
-Handguns have been banned in Britain -since the 1996 Dunblane massacre... | 0:23:03 | 0:23:07 | |
-..the worst mass shooting -in British history... | 0:23:07 | 0:23:11 | |
-..when 16 children -and their teacher were killed... | 0:23:11 | 0:23:15 | |
-..at a Scottish primary school. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
-But in Nevada, it's legal -to carry handguns openly... | 0:23:19 | 0:23:23 | |
-..and to come to a shooting range -like this one to fire them. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:27 | |
-Hold it in your hand like this, -with these three fingers here. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:36 | |
-This finger stays off the trigger -until you go on the target. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:40 | |
-Hold it as steady as you can -then squeeze the trigger. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
-There's no vetting process -or checks before people shoot here. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:56 | |
-When you fill the form, -you must confirm... | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
-..you're not a prohibited purchaser -who's barred from possessing a gun. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
-Technically, there's nothing to stop -anyone here from shooting us. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:11 | |
-The other guys will shoot him. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
-It works out that way. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:17 | |
-You've got the hang of it. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:19 | |
-You've got the hang of it. - -Am I a natural, Don? | 0:24:19 | 0:24:20 | |
-That's what you get for bragging. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
-Many Americans come to places -like this to shoot for fun... | 0:24:30 | 0:24:34 | |
-..but also to practise -how to defend themselves. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:39 | |
-I've had the opportunity -to live the American life today... | 0:24:42 | 0:24:46 | |
-..firing guns and wearing this cap. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
-I must admit, -I did get a buzz from firing guns. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:52 | |
-But the act of holding a gun -is a very strange feeling. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:57 | |
-It feels surreal. | 0:24:57 | 0:24:58 | |
-I'm shooting at a target. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:00 | |
-But there are people behind me... | 0:25:00 | 0:25:03 | |
-..preparing for the possibility -of shooting a person. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:08 | |
-For me, that's hard to contemplate. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:11 | |
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-Subtitles | 0:25:28 | 0:25:28 | |
-Subtitles - -Subtitles | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
-Today, I'm visiting a show where -guns and shooting gear are sold. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:38 | |
-After the shooting in Las Vegas -on 1 October 2017... | 0:25:40 | 0:25:44 | |
-..some local gun shows -were cancelled. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:46 | |
-This will be one of the first shows -since the shooting. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:52 | |
-Americans own some 265 million guns. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:59 | |
-That's more than one gun per adult. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:01 | |
-Today, I'm meeting Gary and Melissa. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:04 | |
-Gary's an American, -but Melissa hails from Port Talbot. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:08 | |
-They've come here, -to the Las Vegas Gun Show. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:11 | |
-You keep guns in the house, do you? | 0:26:18 | 0:26:19 | |
-You keep guns in the house, do you? - -I do. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:20 | |
-And that's for defence purposes? | 0:26:21 | 0:26:23 | |
-Yes, I have a pistol -that I use for home defence... | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
-..and I have a rifle -that I use for fun, sport. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
-Do you have any objection -to Gary keeping guns? | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
-Initially, I did. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:35 | |
-I was nervous of them, -not used to them. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:37 | |
-Being from Port Talbot, -we don't really have a gun problem. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
-But he made me feel safe -because I trusted him with a gun. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:45 | |
-I've seen him shoot it -and he was actually... | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
-Responsible. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:49 | |
-Responsible. - -Very responsible. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:50 | |
-So, you both feel -that there's a palpable threat? | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
-Absolutely. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:55 | |
-Absolutely. - -In big cities, especially. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:57 | |
-Where we live, every day on the -news, there's been a gun crime. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:01 | |
-Some sort of violent crime. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:02 | |
-Some sort of violent crime. - -At least one, two or three. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:04 | |
-It is concerning. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:05 | |
-If they have a gun -and they come into my house... | 0:27:06 | 0:27:08 | |
-..we'd better have a gun -to face them. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
-If we don't... | 0:27:12 | 0:27:13 | |
-So, in I go, with Gary, Melissa -and their baby, Cerys. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:21 | |
-All kinds of things are for sale. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
-It's like a market here, but with -firearms instead of fruit and veg. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:31 | |
-Lately, I've been thinking -about getting a shotgun. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:35 | |
-I have a pistol and a rifle, -but a shotgun is real fun to shoot. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:39 | |
-Someday, I don't right now, -but I'd like to take up hunting. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:43 | |
-But as I walk around, not everyone -welcomes the camera's presence. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:51 | |
-But one woman is more than happy -for us to film at her stall... | 0:27:57 | 0:28:01 | |
-..and to share her opinion. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:03 | |
-If you take my rights away... | 0:28:04 | 0:28:05 | |
-..then the criminals are the ones -that are going on the street... | 0:28:05 | 0:28:09 | |
-..finding guns and knocking on your -door in the middle of the night. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
-Of course, we've got key chains, -bullet-crafted earrings... | 0:28:12 | 0:28:17 | |
-That's quite telling - -we don't call 911. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
-You don't have any trust -in the police, perhaps? | 0:28:21 | 0:28:25 | |
-I will still call 911. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:28 | |
-I will call 911 -after I have my weapon in my hand. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:33 | |
-But after the interview, -the atmosphere seems unfriendly. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:39 | |
-Some people start to get -fairly aggressive towards us. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:43 | |
-We spent about 20 minutes in there -before we were asked to leave... | 0:28:57 | 0:29:02 | |
-..despite having permission to film. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
-According to the man -who runs the show... | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
-..a lot of the sellers feel unhappy -about seeing a camera at the show. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:13 | |
-Clearly, sensitivities -are still running high... | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
-..after the Mandalay Bay shooting. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:19 | |
-Groups that lobby -to strengthen gun laws... | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
-..have been even more vocal -since 1 October. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
-One of them, Moms Demand Action... | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
-..has invited me -to its monthly meeting. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
-Hi! | 0:29:47 | 0:29:48 | |
-Hi! - -Hi, Elizabeth, how are you? | 0:29:48 | 0:29:50 | |
-Nice to meet you. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:51 | |
-So, here you all are. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:56 | |
-So, here you all are. - -Yes. | 0:29:56 | 0:29:57 | |
-Ladies, this is Sion. | 0:29:57 | 0:29:58 | |
-Ladies, this is Sion. - -Hi, ladies, nice to meet you. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:00 | |
-What exactly are you doing? | 0:30:04 | 0:30:05 | |
-Moms as an organization -does care card-writing events. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:08 | |
-We write cards -to gun violence survivors. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:11 | |
-I've combined that with an event... | 0:30:12 | 0:30:14 | |
-..where we write to our senators -and representatives. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:18 | |
-The group wants to see -two measures passed. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
-One involves domestic violence. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:25 | |
-The other seeks improved -background checks on gun buyers. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:29 | |
-If you've been accused -of domestic violence... | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
-..and you're not a spouse -or a live-in boyfriend... | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
-..you fall through a crack. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:36 | |
-Later, you could be -in another relationship... | 0:30:37 | 0:30:39 | |
-..and you would not be prohibited -from owning weapons. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:42 | |
-We'd like to close that loophole. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:44 | |
-Anyone convicted -of domestic violence or stalking... | 0:30:44 | 0:30:46 | |
-..would automatically -have their right to own weapons... | 0:30:47 | 0:30:49 | |
-..taken away if convicted. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:52 | |
-Right now, our background check -system is lacking information. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:56 | |
-We would like there to be -more information in the system. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:00 | |
-Would a bill such as that one... | 0:31:00 | 0:31:02 | |
-..have stopped Stephen Paddock -from doing what he did in Las Vegas? | 0:31:02 | 0:31:06 | |
-I am not aware that any legislation -that we could have passed... | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
-..would necessarily -have affected him... | 0:31:10 | 0:31:12 | |
-..and I wish there were some -legislation that we could pass... | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
-..retroactively... | 0:31:16 | 0:31:17 | |
-..but these bills in the future will -prevent people from doing harm... | 0:31:18 | 0:31:21 | |
-..especially domestic abusers. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:24 | |
-I had expected the group -to be completely anti-gun... | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
-..but to my surprise, -that's not true. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:32 | |
-You're not actively opposed -to the Second Amendment. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:37 | |
-A lot of our members are gun owners. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:40 | |
-I just think that it's -not practical in this country. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:44 | |
-I think the solution... | 0:31:44 | 0:31:46 | |
-..has more to do -with things that we can control... | 0:31:46 | 0:31:50 | |
-..as opposed to taking things -away from people. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:54 | |
-But after spending time -with the women... | 0:31:55 | 0:31:58 | |
-..it's clear to me that they are -determined to bring about change. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:04 | |
-There are things that we can do. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:06 | |
-We use the horrible sadness -of these events... | 0:32:06 | 0:32:09 | |
-..to power us through -and support people in the future. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:13 | |
-The Turner family home... | 0:32:19 | 0:32:21 | |
-..is behind security gates -in an affluent part of Las Vegas. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:26 | |
-Unlike many of their neighbours, -they have no guns in the house. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:30 | |
-I want to know why. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:32 | |
-What's your opinion -of American gun laws? | 0:32:32 | 0:32:37 | |
-The Second Amendment -and the right to own a gun? | 0:32:37 | 0:32:42 | |
-Twenty years ago, -I'd have been definitely against it. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:47 | |
-After living in America -for so long... | 0:32:48 | 0:32:51 | |
-..I realize that it's part -of the American psyche. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:55 | |
-It's hard to separate Americans -from their guns. | 0:32:56 | 0:32:59 | |
-Myself, I don't like guns at all. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:02 | |
-I've never touched a gun -or fired a gun... | 0:33:02 | 0:33:06 | |
-..and we don't have a gun here. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:08 | |
-I don't want a gun in my own home, -with the children and so on. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:13 | |
-I don't feel the need for a gun -with which to defend myself. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:19 | |
-But I do respect the right -that Americans have to own a gun. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:23 | |
-Some of Gwennan's experiences -with guns in America shock me. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:30 | |
-I once took the boys to soccer. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:32 | |
-It was late and we hadn't eaten. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:35 | |
-I said we'd go for tacos -after training. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:39 | |
-We got out of the car -and into the shop. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:42 | |
-Someone said we probably -didn't want to eat there. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
-It turned out that someone -had just shot through the window. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
-There was a bullet hole in it. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:52 | |
-It must have been a new experience. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:53 | |
-It must have been a new experience. - -It was really scary. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:54 | |
-But as someone who grew up there, -is Catrin's opinion different? | 0:33:57 | 0:34:02 | |
-What do you think -about the right to own guns? | 0:34:03 | 0:34:06 | |
-For me, guns are just -a really normal part of my life. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:10 | |
-All my friends have guns. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:12 | |
-It's just normal for me. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:14 | |
-It's abnormal -that we don't have any. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:17 | |
-Have you ever fired a gun? | 0:34:17 | 0:34:20 | |
-Yes, we have a lot of relatives -in Arizona, where Dad's from. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:25 | |
-Loads of people there -go out hunting. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:30 | |
-They're really good with guns, -it's almost a sport for them. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:34 | |
-I went out there -when we lived in Missouri. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:38 | |
-A bit more back country. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:40 | |
-A school field trip went to a gun -range and everyone shot guns. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:44 | |
-What if one of your children, -when they're older... | 0:34:46 | 0:34:50 | |
-..decide to buy a gun -and keep a gun in the house? | 0:34:50 | 0:34:53 | |
-Would you have a problem with that? | 0:34:54 | 0:34:56 | |
-I'd be surprised, first of all. | 0:34:57 | 0:34:59 | |
-No, it wouldn't be a big problem. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:02 | |
-But I'd insist -that they get training. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
-A lot of people here have held guns -and fired guns as children. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:11 | |
-They know how to handle a gun, -but our children don't. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:15 | |
-Training courses do exist. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:24 | |
-Some are even aimed solely at women. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:27 | |
-Any time -there is a shooting of any kind... | 0:35:32 | 0:35:34 | |
-..they start this gun control crap, -and that's my opinion. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:38 | |
-Of course, as it's Nevada, -the man in charge is Don Turner. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:44 | |
-They learn basic firearm safety -and storage. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
-We teach them about -our suicide prevention programme. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:53 | |
-They get issued with gun locks... | 0:35:53 | 0:35:55 | |
-..so they can keep them locked, -if they want. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:58 | |
-Then we have coaches -that help them shoot. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
-The course started last April. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
-On launch day, -they had prepared to train 60 women. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:09 | |
-They ended up training almost 300, -and turned over 600 away. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:15 | |
-What brings you here? | 0:36:19 | 0:36:21 | |
-A website in our neighbourhood -mentioned the Annie Oakley Program. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:25 | |
-I do have a gun at home. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:27 | |
-I wanted to learn how to do it -properly from the experts. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:31 | |
-Why do you want to make sure -that you know how to do it properly? | 0:36:32 | 0:36:36 | |
-Eventually, I'm going to be -carrying it on me just for safety. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:40 | |
-I don't want to shoot somebody -I'm not supposed to be shooting. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:44 | |
-For example, 1 October... | 0:36:45 | 0:36:47 | |
-..when we had -that terrible thing happen here. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:51 | |
-It's happening -all over the country. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:53 | |
-Northern Nevada schools got shot up. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:57 | |
-I think it's my responsibility -to take care of myself. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:03 | |
-With everything -that's going on in society now... | 0:37:04 | 0:37:07 | |
-..and being a single parent -of a small daughter... | 0:37:07 | 0:37:11 | |
-..I feel it'll be beneficial for me -to have these skills as a female... | 0:37:11 | 0:37:15 | |
-..to protect myself and my family. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
-Describe for me how you feel, -personally, when you shoot a gun. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:27 | |
-I feel confident... | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
-..and I do not feel -like I'll ever be a victim. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:34 | |
-And that's important to me. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:36 | |
-It feels great. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:38 | |
-It feels very comfortable, -I don't feel uneasy about it. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:41 | |
-I've gotten over that -and I'm ready for some more. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
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-I've come to Las Vegas... | 0:38:00 | 0:38:02 | |
-..to discuss America's -obsession with guns... | 0:38:02 | 0:38:06 | |
-..and to see if what Stephen Paddock -did here last year... | 0:38:06 | 0:38:10 | |
-..has had any effect on the debate -that divides the country. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:14 | |
-But how easy is it -to buy a gun here? | 0:38:20 | 0:38:24 | |
-Today, I join a Nevada resident -to witness the exact process. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:29 | |
-Here we are then. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:34 | |
-Here we are then. - -Here we are. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:35 | |
-Before coming over, I contacted -28 gun shops in Las Vegas... | 0:38:44 | 0:38:50 | |
-..to ask permission to film. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:52 | |
-This is the only shop -that agreed to open its doors to us. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:56 | |
-Hey, Jackie, I'm Sion. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:00 | |
-Nice to meet you. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:02 | |
-So, what exactly is your affiliation -with this store? | 0:39:05 | 0:39:08 | |
-What do you do -with regards to firearms in Vegas? | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
-We support each other. -I'm a local instructor. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
-This store sell guns and ammunition. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:17 | |
-I send people here because -they have good customer service... | 0:39:17 | 0:39:22 | |
-..and they're patient with newbies. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:25 | |
-Jackie introduces us to Mike, who'll -explain the process of buying a gun. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:30 | |
-This is going to be your first gun? | 0:39:30 | 0:39:32 | |
-This is going to be your first gun? - -Yes. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:33 | |
-The biggest question, -are you a resident of Nevada? | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
-Yes, I am. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:38 | |
-That's pretty much all you need -to be in order to buy a gun here. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:42 | |
-There's a bunch of other things -that will preclude you. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:45 | |
-Do you know what you want? | 0:39:46 | 0:39:47 | |
-Do you know what you want? - -I'm just looking to shop. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:49 | |
-Can I have that one then? | 0:39:56 | 0:39:57 | |
-Can I have that one then? - -Sure. How old are you? | 0:39:57 | 0:39:59 | |
-I'm 19. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:00 | |
-I'm 19. - -You can't have any from this case. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:02 | |
-No handguns. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:03 | |
-No handguns. - -What can I have? | 0:40:03 | 0:40:04 | |
-Any long gun, at 19. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:06 | |
-Pretty much everything behind me. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:09 | |
-OK. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:10 | |
-To buy a handgun in Nevada, -you need to be 21. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:15 | |
-You can buy a shotgun -or rifle aged 18. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:19 | |
-Alright, let's take that one then. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:22 | |
-If I was to buy one today, -which one would you recommend? | 0:40:23 | 0:40:27 | |
-A shotgun or a rifle? | 0:40:27 | 0:40:28 | |
-A shotgun or a rifle? - -A rifle. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:29 | |
-Pretty much any of the AR platform. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:33 | |
-They're lightweight and low recoil. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:36 | |
-Really multipurpose. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:38 | |
-Show me a couple of these ones. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:40 | |
-No way could I buy this. What?! | 0:40:41 | 0:40:43 | |
-Yes, this is the one. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:46 | |
-It's calling my name! | 0:40:46 | 0:40:48 | |
-Now that I know I can get that one, -what's the next step? | 0:40:48 | 0:40:52 | |
-This is a 4473. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:53 | |
-That is the form -you need to fill out... | 0:40:54 | 0:40:57 | |
-..to purchase a handgun, -a long gun, any gun in America. | 0:40:57 | 0:41:02 | |
-These are the main questions that -you need to go through and answer. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:07 | |
-There are questions about criminal -and mental health history... | 0:41:10 | 0:41:14 | |
-..drug addiction -and domestic violence convictions. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:18 | |
-If I was to do this today... | 0:41:23 | 0:41:25 | |
-..how soon could I -actually possess the firearm? | 0:41:25 | 0:41:28 | |
-As long as they don't need to look -into you any further, same day. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:33 | |
-How many guns could she buy -after being given the OK? | 0:41:33 | 0:41:38 | |
-Anywhere from one to... | 0:41:39 | 0:41:41 | |
-There is no real limit. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:43 | |
-It's our judgement. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:44 | |
-If she's buying -a bunch of different guns... | 0:41:45 | 0:41:48 | |
-You can tell really easily -why they're buying guns. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:51 | |
-Technically, Catrin -could buy one gun here... | 0:41:51 | 0:41:55 | |
-..and another from another shop -and so on, all in the same day? | 0:41:55 | 0:41:59 | |
-Yup. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:00 | |
-There's no law against that anyway. -You can do that normally. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:04 | |
-But if you didn't want it to be sent -in to the national tracing centre... | 0:42:05 | 0:42:09 | |
-..no other gun store would know. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:11 | |
-But I wouldn't be able... | 0:42:12 | 0:42:14 | |
-But I wouldn't be able... - -You would not be. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:15 | |
-You can look, you can't touch. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:17 | |
-Because I'm not a US resident. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:18 | |
-Because I'm not a US resident. - -Correct. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:19 | |
-So, Catrin completes a form to see -if she would pass the relevant test. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:28 | |
-What do you think about the fact -that it's as easy as filling a form? | 0:42:29 | 0:42:35 | |
-It's much easier than I thought. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:37 | |
-People in Wales ask -if I can just go in and buy one. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:42 | |
-No, you can't do that. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:43 | |
-But actually, you can. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:46 | |
-Mike calls the National Instant -Criminal Background Check System. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:52 | |
-Ten minutes later, -Catrin gets the green light. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:55 | |
-So, you're good to go. | 0:42:57 | 0:42:59 | |
-Let's do it! | 0:42:59 | 0:43:00 | |
-Obviously, Catrin's mother -wouldn't be happy... | 0:43:01 | 0:43:04 | |
-..if I let her bring a gun home, -but going through the process... | 0:43:04 | 0:43:08 | |
-..has been an eye-opener -for Catrin and for me. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:12 | |
-What have you learnt about the whole -process since we entered the shop? | 0:43:12 | 0:43:17 | |
-It was cool, actually. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:19 | |
-I've never been into a gun shop -and asked what I'd be able to buy. | 0:43:19 | 0:43:23 | |
-I could actually do this now. | 0:43:26 | 0:43:29 | |
-That's mind-blowing. | 0:43:29 | 0:43:31 | |
-Today is Thanksgiving, the biggest -day of the year for many Americans. | 0:43:43 | 0:43:49 | |
-I'm spending the evening -with Heather Gooze... | 0:43:50 | 0:43:54 | |
-..and other music festival staff -who survived on 1 October. | 0:43:54 | 0:43:59 | |
-They've all come together -on Thanksgiving. | 0:44:00 | 0:44:02 | |
-This is Sion, everybody. | 0:44:03 | 0:44:04 | |
-Before 1 October, most of the group -didn't know each other. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:11 | |
-They now meet regularly... | 0:44:12 | 0:44:13 | |
-..to support each other -through the difficult times. | 0:44:14 | 0:44:17 | |
-We're so lucky -that not one of our group died. | 0:44:18 | 0:44:21 | |
-I feel very lucky -and loved more than ever. | 0:44:22 | 0:44:25 | |
-You got a view of the entire thing. | 0:44:25 | 0:44:27 | |
-You got a view of the entire thing. - -Unfortunately, we saw everything. | 0:44:27 | 0:44:30 | |
-It was so scary -seeing people just running out... | 0:44:30 | 0:44:34 | |
-Running out, seeing people stop, -laying behind. | 0:44:35 | 0:44:39 | |
-We were running past strollers -and chairs, trampled. | 0:44:40 | 0:44:43 | |
-These people were happy, wonderful -people, just enjoying a concert. | 0:44:43 | 0:44:49 | |
-What's your story of that night? | 0:44:49 | 0:44:52 | |
-I ran through the VIP tent. | 0:44:52 | 0:44:55 | |
-I ran outside, and the third -or fourth barrage of gunfire came. | 0:44:56 | 0:45:01 | |
-I jumped to the side, of course. | 0:45:02 | 0:45:04 | |
-I saw the ricochet -come off the ground... | 0:45:05 | 0:45:07 | |
-..and somebody get shot in the head. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:10 | |
-Really? | 0:45:10 | 0:45:11 | |
-Something like that must be quite -hard to erase from your memory. | 0:45:12 | 0:45:15 | |
-It's not erasable, for sure. | 0:45:16 | 0:45:17 | |
-I'm still having -terrible night terrors. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:21 | |
-I'm still trying... | 0:45:21 | 0:45:22 | |
-I'm getting a lot of help. | 0:45:23 | 0:45:24 | |
-The most help -is when I'm around these people. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:27 | |
-After a week experiencing -US gun culture for myself... | 0:45:48 | 0:45:52 | |
-..I've seen how entrenched -in the American psyche... | 0:45:52 | 0:45:55 | |
-..the right to bear arms is. | 0:45:56 | 0:45:58 | |
-Ridding the USA of guns -seems to me to be highly unlikely... | 0:46:00 | 0:46:04 | |
-..whether it's Trump or whoever -in the White House... | 0:46:04 | 0:46:09 | |
-..and however many lives are lost. | 0:46:09 | 0:46:11 | |
-As someone from Wales -who has moved to America... | 0:46:13 | 0:46:17 | |
-..and embraced -the way of life here... | 0:46:18 | 0:46:20 | |
-..do you believe, -if it was possible... | 0:46:21 | 0:46:23 | |
-..that it would be a better place -if it got rid of guns? | 0:46:24 | 0:46:27 | |
-That's so idealistic. | 0:46:28 | 0:46:31 | |
-I can't foresee -that happening at all. | 0:46:31 | 0:46:34 | |
-I can foresee more controls, -but not getting rid of guns. | 0:46:34 | 0:46:39 | |
-They're a part of the Constitution. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:42 | |
-A lot of people think, -why not get rid of all the guns? | 0:46:45 | 0:46:49 | |
-But honestly, you can't do that. | 0:46:50 | 0:46:52 | |
-I'd want to. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:54 | |
-If everyone had to make a decision, -guns or no guns, they'd say no guns. | 0:46:54 | 0:47:00 | |
-But that couldn't happen. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:04 | |
-If you want guns to go away, -the good guys will take notice. | 0:47:04 | 0:47:08 | |
-People who know the laws -will obey them. | 0:47:09 | 0:47:12 | |
-But do you think the bad guys -would give up their guns? | 0:47:13 | 0:47:16 | |
-Could you live without these guns? | 0:47:19 | 0:47:22 | |
-If someone took them, -could you live a happy life? | 0:47:22 | 0:47:27 | |
-They're not as important -as air and food, no. | 0:47:27 | 0:47:30 | |
-I could live without them. | 0:47:31 | 0:47:32 | |
-But I enjoy them, and why should I -give up something I enjoy? | 0:47:33 | 0:47:37 | |
-Would you like to see -an America that is gun-free? | 0:47:43 | 0:47:46 | |
-No, because it takes away my right -to defend my family. | 0:47:46 | 0:47:49 | |
-Even if no-one could have a gun? | 0:47:50 | 0:47:52 | |
-Even if no-one could have a gun? - -That's theoretically impossible. | 0:47:52 | 0:47:55 | |
-Evil will always flourish. | 0:47:55 | 0:47:57 | |
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