Helwyr Pedoffiliaid Ein Byd

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-You get a fantastic buzz

-from living a double life.

-A very, very dangerous man.

-Nothing to say?

-It's so sad.

-A real eye-opener.

-It's a Friday night.

-I'm meeting paedophile hunters,

-the Welsh Children Protectors...

-..who try to catch the people

-who target children online.

-They're out to challenge a man

-who has engaged in lewd chat...

-..with a group member

-posing as a 13-year-old girl.

-We need to get him off the street...

-..because he's in contact

-with children five days a week.

-Some accuse the paedophile hunters

-of operating as vigilantes.

-I'm here to see what they do

-for myself.

-In this instance, they have

-a file packed with evidence.

-He knows the decoy is 13.

-Obviously, this guy is persistent.

-Yeah, yeah.

-He wants to take her tenpin bowling.

-"Would you fancy

-doing that with me sometime?

-"Hoping to let me

-kiss and cuddle you?

-And then it starts getting sexual.

-She says,

-"Won't I get into trouble?"

-He says, "Be our secret,

-whatever we get up to."

-After three weeks chatting,

-the man offered to meet.

-That's why the group

-is here tonight.

-To meet him face-to-face.

-The man arranged to meet the "child"

-by a corner shop.

-But when Bozza and the rest arrive,

-it doesn't seem as if he's coming.

-We've just been told

-that the man isn't going to meet...

-..but that he is at home...

-..so the decision has been made

-to confront him there.

-They've just knocked.

-Could you chat with me please?

-You can do this

-the easy way or the hard way.

-I believe you've been talking

-to an underage girl online.

-We're from

-the Welsh Children Protectors.

-We want to know why.

-Have you got reasons why you did it?

-No, I feel ashamed.

-I apologize.

-We're not looking for an apology.

-The man is apologizing.

-To some extent,

-he's admitting what he has done.

-You offered oral sex.

-This is the reason

-we came down here.

-Boris and Nick are questioning him.

-What strikes me

-is how quiet it all is.

-The excitement has gone.

-The seriousness of the situation

-has become apparent.

-We're placing you

-under Section 24a citizen's arrest.

-You can't go back

-into your property.

-The team has called the police...

-..and hold the man

-until they arrive.

-He's been talking to a decoy.

-While police

-interrogate the man indoors...

-..his partner and other relatives

-learn what is happening.

-The man's family

-has just come out...

-..his partner in tears...

-..to say they knew nothing

-about what he was doing.

-This is difficult.

-How this affects the close family.

-The man who staged the sting

-with Bozza is Nick Young.

-They work together often...

-..but he also runs his own group

-of paedophile hunters, PH Balance.

-Tonight, I'm meeting Sarah,

-who's one of the decoys.

-She spends

-almost every night on chat rooms...

-..seeking individuals

-who target children online.

-You set yourself up on a chat room.

-You create this person, this child.

-A name and age,

-and obviously your own location.

-They're in straight away,

-very descriptive.

-Are you horny?

-How old are you?

-What's your tit size?

-Sarah is a single mother of three.

-She spends her spare time doing this

-in order to protect them.

-On average, how many of the chats

-end up being of a sexual nature?

-Nine out of ten.

-Nine out of ten.

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-That many?

-Nick shows me an example...

-..of the chats Sarah faces

-when she's on these chat rooms.

-This individual

-has been chatting for around a week.

-A very, very dangerous man,

-without any shadow of a doubt.

-I'm surprised

-by how vile the chats are.

-The child says,

-"Oh, you like younger girls?"

-"Yes, because they are inexperienced

-and willing to try new things.

-"I love to help them

-with their sexual training."

-As you can see,

-it's relentless.

-"Would you play with...

-"Would you sit on...

-That is very explicit, actually.

-That is very explicit, actually.

-

-It's grotesque.

-Well...

-..that was shocking.

-Absolutely shocking.

-Nick showed me a transcript

-of a real-life conversation.

-The content was just terrible.

-A man sending vile photos...

-..to what he thought

-was a 14-year-old girl.

-Someone who has had

-a similar experience...

-..is Mared Emlyn Parry,

-who's a student in Cardiff.

-She was targeted by men online

-when she was 14 years old.

-What was your experience

-of being targeted online?

-When I was younger, 14 or 15...

-..a couple of lads in their twenties

-began to talk to me and my friends.

-They asked inappropriate things

-and asked us to send photos.

-It still makes me feel sick.

-What exactly did those men say

-in the messages?

-They complimented me a lot,

-and I wasn't used to that at all.

-Complimenting what I wore,

-my body, my hair.

-I fell for it, obviously

-because I was so young.

-Two to three weeks in,

-things started to change.

-I'd love to do this to you,

-that to you.

-I was taken aback

-because I wasn't used to that.

-But I rolled with it,

-as someone mature would.

-I should act like a grown-up

-because they're grown-ups.

-After getting the messages, she

-was persuaded to go a step further.

-I ended up sending him some photos.

-A bit sexual.

-Horrible really,

-because I was so young.

-Looking back now,

-it makes me sick.

-That someone could have

-fooled me into doing it.

-I never fall for anything now.

-After reading

-about paedophile hunters...

-..and the people they target...

-..she wrote an article

-about her personal experiences.

-What do you think

-of paedophile hunters?

-Do you think they do good work?

-Or do they impact on work

-that the police should be doing?

-I think they do great work.

-What they do is brilliant.

-They have caught

-lots of paedophiles.

-They've been convicted and jailed.

-I think, "Crack on, carry on."

-Since setting up

-PH Balance last April...

-..Nick and his team have gathered

-evidence on 18 individuals.

-Tonight, I'm in Newport

-to follow the group's latest sting.

-So, gents, what's the situation?

-Who are you hoping to find?

-We've got a gentleman...

-..who's been chatting to two

-14-year-old decoy children online.

-You don't feel as if you're stepping

-on the toes of the police?

-I'm helping the police.

-Both teams are working together...

-..to show the police

-that we're willing to help them.

-Why do you do the whole thing?

-Sum up why you do this

-as often as you do.

-OK, I'll be honest with you.

-My own personal thing is...

-..I was heavily abused

-from the age of four to 14.

-I will not allow another child

-to go through what I went through.

-That's the reality of it.

-Even though I've met Nick

-several times while filming...

-..it's the first time he reveals

-his reason for doing this work.

-Tonight, they have managed to lure

-their target to a Newport hotel.

-I make my way there

-with Nick, Bozza and the team.

-Two decoys have been chatting

-to the man for over a month.

-You're talking

-hundreds and hundreds of man hours.

-And it's important to remember,

-he was talking to two decoys.

-The team is in place

-and ready for him.

-Neil Cooper, we need a word

-with you, my friend.

-It's in your best interests

-to have a quiet word.

-We don't want to make a big scene.

-We'll discuss that now.

-We want to talk to you.

-After the break,

-Neil Cooper views the evidence...

-..and I see

-how he tries to explain himself.

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-I've been following a group

-of South Wales paedophile hunters.

-They pose as children online...

-..and trawl chat rooms

-searching for paedophiles.

-For over a month,

-PH Balance has been chatting...

-..to a man called Neil Cooper.

-They have lured the 44-year-old

-to this hotel near Newport.

-Who have you been talking to online?

-Olivia.

-Yes, that little girl there.

-Yes.

-And you've been talking

-to another little girl, haven't you?

-Sarah.

-Sarah.

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-Sarah Jane, yes.

-Two 14-year-old children.

-Is that appropriate, a man your age

-talking to two 14-year-olds?

-I'm just talking.

-I'm just talking.

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-You're not, you're grooming.

-They're about to remind him...

-..of the vile things

-he has suggested to the girls.

-370 pages of chat logs there,

-all on disc ready for the police.

-You shouldn't be talking to children

-about masturbating...

-..and putting hairbrushes in their

-vaginas to see what it feels like.

-They weren't asking you,

-you brought up the subject.

-I catch people like you continually.

-I catch people like you continually.

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-I'm not doing anything.

-He's denying everything.

-"I'm not doing anything."

-I'm not a paedophile.

-I'm not a paedophile.

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-Yes, you are.

-You said, "How would you like

-to go out with an older guy?"

-Should a 14-year-old child

-go out with a man of your age?

-You don't know?

-You're not stupid, Neil.

-You're not stupid, Neil.

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-Some of them do.

-"I do care about you. You're

-beautiful and sweet, Olivia."

-She is.

-"Then keep it your secret."

-Even though Nick

-is showing him the evidence...

-..he's still denying it.

-"A bit of fun," according to him.

-Calm down now, boys. Calm down.

-How can you call it a bit of fun?

-A couple of weeks ago,

-I went down to Portsmouth...

-..to sting a chap that spoke

-to my two daughters online.

-My two daughters, 13 and 15.

-They were real children!

-The man has clearly riled Bozza.

-Bozza isn't happy.

-You admit what you've done is wrong.

-I've talked to kids, yes, fine.

-That's it - he's admitted it.

-"I've talked to kids."

-I think that I can hear

-the police coming.

-When the police arrive, the team

-hands over a catalogue of evidence.

-Cooper is taken into custody.

-Will you ever stop?

-You guys can't clear the whole

-country of sexual predators.

-Will you ever stop?

-Will you ever stop?

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-We'll help.

-There's two of us, two teams...

-..determined that we'll rid

-as many of these creatures...

-..off Welsh streets as possible.

-Today, I'm in Bradford

-to meet someone else...

-..who has ventured into

-the dark world of online chat rooms.

-Hannah hails from Cricieth.

-She began to investigate

-children's chat rooms...

-..when a young relative was targeted

-on a site called Chat Avenue.

-What was the exact content

-of these chats with older men?

-I saw things like,

-"Do you have hair down there?"

-"What size are your tits?"

-"Are you wet?"

-"Do you know what sex is?"

-"Have you ever had sex?"

-It was really shocking.

-How did those chats make her feel?

-It's had a really bad effect on her.

-It affected her mental health

-and she became depressed.

-She was self-harming.

-She really struggled

-to talk to people about it.

-She felt ashamed.

-After seeing the effect

-this had on the family...

-..Hannah went on Chat Avenue.

-She posed as a child to see

-what messages she would receive.

-I pretended to be twelve.

-I typed something

-into the main chat...

-..and got about 50 requests

-for a private chat...

-..after typing in, "Hi! I'm twelve."

-What kind of things

-did they tell you?

-At first, they asked about my day,

-if school had been OK.

-It went on to what I was wearing

-and whether I was home alone.

-Since last April,

-a new law has come into force...

-..outlawing sexual conversations

-with children under 16.

-Over 1,000 cases have already

-been reported in England and Wales.

-While I'm with Hannah,

-she poses as a 13-year-old...

-..to show how easy it is for people

-to target children on chat rooms.

-Someone has sent a message to you.

-Yes, there are three, no, four.

-One's made a private video request

-straight away.

-Wow!

-This man's just sent you a message

-saying, "I'm so hard"...

-..then asked

-to go on camera with you.

-It's incredible, isn't it?

-Shocking. Totally shocking.

-According to Chat Avenue,

-chat rooms are constantly monitored.

-They also said that the Teen Chat

-site has thousands of users daily...

-..and that it's impossible

-to verify the ages of every user.

-After the sting in Newport...

-..Neil Cooper spent two months

-on remand at Swansea Prison.

-Today, he's appearing in court.

-I'm at Cardiff Crown Court...

-..where Neil Cooper, the man caught

-by PH Balance, is being sentenced...

-..after a guilty plea.

-Mr Cooper, have you got

-any words you'd like to say today?

-Do you regret doing what you did?

-Any final words?

-Any final words?

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-No, nothing.

-The judge saw evidence

-of chats Cooper had...

-..with two girls

-he thought were 14 years old.

-Neil Cooper has been sentenced.

-Eight months' imprisonment,

-suspended for two years...

-..for inciting a child

-to engage in sexual activity.

-The judge

-told Mr Cooper directly...

-..that people who do these things

-are eventually caught.

-The judge ordered Cooper

-to attend a 30-day rehab course...

-..as part of his

-Sexual Harm Prevention Order.

-He was also placed on the Sex

-Offenders' Register for ten years.

-But today, he's free to return home.

-Do you have anything to say

-about your sentencing today?

-Anything to say

-about the way you were caught?

-Nothing at all?

-Nothing at all?

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-No.

-After Neil Cooper was sentenced,

-I went to Cwmbran to talk to Nick.

-Hi, Nick. Can I get you a drink?

-Since I last saw you,

-Neil Cooper has been sentenced.

-I wanted to get your reaction

-to the sentence he received.

-It's fair to say that I've got

-variant feelings and emotions...

-..over the sentence he received.

-He spent a couple of months

-on remand before he went to court.

-They would have had

-a dramatic effect on his life.

-As far as I'm concerned...

-..and I can speak for PH Balance

-and Welsh Children Protectors...

-..I know that means

-it's objective achieved.

-He won't go back online,

-he won't talk to children again.

-And if he does,

-I'll go and get him again.

-Since I last saw Nick,

-Gwent Police had written to him...

-..informing him that they could not

-support the work of PH Balance.

-"We understand your concerns...

-"..regarding the internet activity

-of paedophiles...

-"..but stress

-that the activity you propose...

-"..could lead to you

-committing offences...

-"..and should be left

-to law enforcement.

-"If any offences have been committed

-by you or any member of the group...

-"..you will be dealt with."

-It is a threat, and it's wrong.

-It's disgusting that a decent,

-law-abiding member of the public...

-..should receive a letter saying

-that I'll be dealt with by police...

-..for doing

-absolutely nothing wrong.

-When I raised the matter

-with Gwent Police, they said...

-.."We understand the wish

-to protect children...

-"..but any member of the public with

-information about child abuse...

-".. should contact the police

-so that we can investigate...

-"..and bring them to justice.

-"Vigilante groups are in danger

-of committing offences...

-"..when dealing

-with possible paedophiles."

-Paedophile hunters

-engender mixed feelings.

-I want to know what Jeff Cuthbert,

-the Gwent Police Commissioner...

-..has to say about the letter.

-One group we have been following...

-..have, they say, always had

-a good relationship with the police.

-Yet they received this letter

-from a detective at Gwent Police...

-..saying that they need to stop

-doing what they're doing.

-How do you react to that?

-That can't be fair, surely?

-That can't be fair, surely?

-

-I am familiar with this case.

-Whether or not

-they should have had it...

-..is a matter for the Gwent Police

-and the officers at that time.

-I'm not the author of the letter.

-I want to make that

-absolutely clear.

-It's not for me to question...

-..what the police thought

-was right at the time.

-Where there are good relationships,

-despite a letter of this nature...

-..we hope that that will continue.

-I would say to Nick

-and his colleagues...

-..not to get too worried about that.

-Nick, Bozza and their groups

-firmly believe...

-..that they can catch people

-who are under the police's radar...

-..and that if not for them...

-..some offenders would still be free

-to target children online.

-Despite the police's warning,

-Nick won't be giving up the work.

-No.

-Not at all?

-Not at all?

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-No, not at all.

-I will prove to them

-that PH Balance...

-..and my colleagues

-at Welsh Children Protectors...

-..will continue

-to do what we're doing...

-..and bring these individuals

-to justice.

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