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Britain confirms plans to step back from combat duties in Afghanistan.

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David Cameron says he is confident that the country will be able to

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look after its own security by the end of 2014. As we see a stronger

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and more confident national Afghan army, stronger Afghan police, many

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of whom we have trained ourselves, and also the Afghan local police, I

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do believe it is right to start planning the withdrawal of some of

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Welcome to GMT. Also in the programme: He's back and in

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fighting spirit. The Venezuelan President makes a surprise return

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from Cuba following treatment for cancer.

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And a cultural taste of a changing world. 100 artists descend on

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London this month as part of a new Well, it is 12.30 in London, 7:30am

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in Washington and 4pm in Afghanistan, where NATO has

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confirmed the death of another four soldiers. There were killed in the

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east of the country, where foreign troops, mostly American, are

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battling a fierce Taliban insurgency. Despite this and

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previous losses, both American and British leaders do believe that the

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tide is turning against the Taliban. On a visit to Afghanistan today,

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the Prime Minister David Cameron has confirmed that he is planning

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to withdraw more combat troops in David Cameron's latest visit to

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Afghanistan comes at a critical time. There is talk of a new phase

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as plans are advanced to withdraw some forces. Yesterday, Mr Cameron

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met both British and American troops and Helmand province. But

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the death on the same day of a British soldier underlined how

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dangerous the situation still is. In Kabul today, with President

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Hamid Karzai, Mr Cameron said he was confident that, overall, things

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were on track. I do believe it is right, as we build up the Afghan

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national security forces, as we see a stronger and more confident

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national Afghan army, stronger Afghan police, many of whom we have

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trained ourselves, and also the local police, I do believe it is

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right to start planning the withdrawal of some of our troops.

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We start with 9500. There are about 426 coming home this year. I will

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be making an announcement in the House of Commons tomorrow about a

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modest reduction that will take place next year. The Afghan

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President said that his people had to take charge of their own

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security. This, of course, does not mean that there should be a sudden,

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immediate end to the systems to Afghanistan. Or to co-operation

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between Afghanistan and its allies, like the United Kingdom. But a

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process in which Afghanistan increasingly becomes in charge of

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its own affairs, all of its affairs, and where, increasingly, we are no

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longer a burden on our allies. Increasingly, time lines are being

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set. British combat operations in Afghanistan will finish by the end

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of 2014. But David Cameron says there will be a long-term

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relationship to build the country, based around trade, diplomacy and

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Well, Quentin Sommerville is live with us from Kabul. Let's speak to

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him now. First things first, the Prime Minister is talking about a

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radical reduction in the threat from the Taliban, from terrorists.

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Is the evidence in Afghanistan backing that claim? In some areas,

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yes. Down in the south, in the provinces of Helmand and Kandahar,

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when we visited there, it is certainly a lot less violent than

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it has been in the past. The security situation seems to be

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improving and we are seeing more and more Afghan troops on the

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ground. When you speak to commanders, they say it is because

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of the surge, the extra troops that flooded into Afghanistan,

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principally from the United States. That has made a big difference.

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When David Cameron and President Obama start talking about drawing

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down their troops, are the Afghan security forces ready to step in

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and are they able to do the job to the same level that their

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international allies have been doing, in terms of keeping the

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Taliban away? The Afghan people want foreign troops to leave. In

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many cases, they are holding their breath to see if they themselves

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will be able to keep the Taliban at bay. America and the UK have always

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emphasised a legacy for their work in Afghanistan. Now they have

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announced a training base for the Afghan army. Tell us how that will

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work. That's right, it's going to be a Sandhurst College, the top

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military college in the UK, there will be a fishing in Afghanistan to

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help teach the future leaders of the Afghan security forces. We also

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have an indication from the Prime Minister, from David Cameron, that

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there will be continuing support in terms of international aid to

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Afghanistan, that Britain would not weaken in that. I have to say,

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Britain is going to be standing pretty much alone in that. Many

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countries will significantly pull back their aid commitment,

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particularly the United States, after troops finished their combat

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operations at the end of 2014. Quentin Sommerville, live from

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Kabul. Now, let's look at some of the other stories making headlines

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around the world today. We begin in Iraq, where two explosions have

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killed more than 30 people in the town of Taji, north of the capital

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Baghdad. Officials say the blast happened almost simultaneously at a

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government building that issues identity cards. One official said

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that the first explosion was a car bomb and the building was full of

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people. David Cameron says that claims that

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a private investigator working for the News of the World newspaper

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hacked into the phone of a murdered teenager, Milly Dowler, are

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shocking. Executives from News International, the company owned by

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Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation, are due to meet police shortly to

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discuss the allegations. A court in the Netherlands has

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ruled that the Dutch state was responsible for the deaths of three

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Muslim men in 1995 after dish -- the fall of Srebrenica. The men

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were handed to Bosnian Serb forces by Dutch UN troops.

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A shipment or fenugreek seeds from Egypt is the most likely source of

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the E.coli epidemic to sweep Europe, according to the European Food

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Safety Authority. All and 4000 people in Europe and North America

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have been infected by outbreaks so far. The infection has killed more

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than 50 people in Germany and there has been one death in America,

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France and Sweden. In Japan, the Minister for

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Reconstruction has resigned after just a week in the job. Ryu

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Matsumoto was criticised for offending victims of the disaster

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when he said that communities would not receive help unless they came

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Well, police in the state of New South Wales will have the power to

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demand the removal of burkas and other face coverings to identify

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people suspected of committing crimes. The law has been changed in

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reaction to a high profile Sydney case involving a Muslim woman and a

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police officer during a routine traffic stop. Refusing to comply

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with the new rule could lead to up The very public battle over

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allegations that a woman falsely accused a policeman of ripping off

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her veil has seen the Government close what police regarded as a

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legal loophole. I think it's a victory for commonsense and police

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on the front line. Soon, anyone who has their face covered must reveal

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it if an officer tells them to. Otherwise they risk a hefty $5,500

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fine or a year in jail. I think it's wrong, each to their own. Why

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should they have to show themselves to people? They should follow the

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law. It doesn't matter if you are Christian, Jewish, Muslim...

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woman came to Australia almost 20 years ago and has always covered

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her face. We think in Islam that ladies are really, really precious.

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But she says she is not above the law. The ABC has spoken to several

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women who would wear the niqab or the burka. They say they are

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comfortable with the new laws, but they prefer to show their face to a

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female police officer. The Australian-Muslim Women's

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Association says a sensitive balance needs to be struck. It's a

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matter of how each party handles themselves from hereon in. The

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Muslim community complying and reasonably requesting a female

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police officer and the police force acting in a reasonable manner

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without any force or coercion, in a respectful way. There are only a

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limited amount of police to police each area.

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Islamic groups say it will come down to a matter of trust. There

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has to be a lot of engagement with people from the Muslim community,

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especially the women. Other states will be watching how New South

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Now, tomorrow Venezuela will mark the 200 anniversary of the

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independence from Spain. The man he would expect to be at the centre of

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the celebrations will not be attending. Hugo Chavez says he will

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watch from the presidential palace, as he is still too unwell to attend.

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His recent treatment for cancer did not stop him from addressing

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thousands of supporters in Caracas. He told them that their backing was

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the best medicine for whatever illness. Despite the performance,

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many questions remain about his ill-health and its implications.

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Let's talk to Michael Reid, the American's editor for the Economist

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magazine. He joins us from central London. The message from Hugo

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Chavez has been, I am still in charge, the show still goes on. Is

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that realistic? Well, that has very much been the message. There are

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many things that the Venezuelan people, and we don't know about his

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medical complex -- condition. We don't know how advanced the cancer

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was, what kind of cancer it was, what kind of treatment he will

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require over the next three months. It's reasonable to assume that he

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will need chemotherapy. It's reasonable to assume that he will

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not be restored to vigorous good health for some weeks or months.

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That does raise some questions about what will happen in Venezuela

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in the next period. We know from various reports that there has been

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some jockeying for position amongst his allies, just in case he has to

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step aside for a few months and they need someone to take over.

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Isn't the point here that with Chavez it is personal, without him,

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what he is driving forward in Venezuela is it possible? That's

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absolutely right. It's a highly personal EST regime. It's been all

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about President Chavez. The reason he suddenly came back from Cuba was

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precisely because there were signs that jockeying for power was

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breaking out within the ranks of his supporters. It's in the nature

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of these regimes that no successor, there is no heir, there is no

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designated successor. He also faces a crucial presidential election

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next year. So, I think he wanted to make sure that the battle for power

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within his organisation didn't get out of hand. What about the

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opposition? Where does a poorly Hugo Chavez leave them? Well, they

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already had quite a good chance of winning next year's presidential

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election. One assumes that, depending on what happens, and he

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may well make a full recovery and be just as vigorous and active as

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he was before, but there has to be some doubt about that. Clearly,

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that doubt gives them a bigger opportunity, provided they stay

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together. The historic failure of the a Venezuelan opposition has

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been a failure to unite. They need to pick a plausible presidential

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candidate and unite behind that candidate. Then they will be in

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with quite a strong chance. Good to speak to you, thank you very much

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indeed. Michael Reid from the Economist.

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We have some extraordinary pictures from China. Chinese emergency

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services on Monday, staging a dramatic rescue of dozens of people

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that was stranded on a bridge which had collapsed under the force of

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surging floodwaters. This is all coming from a report by the state

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broadcaster, CCTV. The floods were triggered by days of heavy rain,

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the rain brought down the bridge in Sichuan province. As you can see,

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they were improvising with all sorts of different techniques to

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try and get people to safety. There, they are using a rope. In a moment

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we will also see a huge crane being used as well. The fear was that the

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cables would break. They were not particularly secure. The good news

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is that they didn't. The standard workers eventually fetched a crane

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from their plant and they successfully used it to lift

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colleagues to safety. Absolutely extraordinary. The county where

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this is taking place was the epicentre of a massive earthquake

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two years ago which claimed almost Still to come, we are going to talk

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about a new festival of Arab art in London. Also, there has been

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outrage at Indy as the country's health minister Brian's

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homosexuality a disease. -- in Now Aaron is here with the business.

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We have spent so much time talking about the Greeks and their debt.

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You're going to be talk about the Americans. Yes unthinkable that we

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could be asking who defaults first - Greece or the United States? But

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the potential is there. The United States has four weeks until it runs

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out of money and has a debt of $14.3 trillion and Barack Obama is

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urging them to raise the debt ceiling. Here is the problem.

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Republicans are at loggerheads with democrats. They say we want

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spending times. The democrats say hang on, we want to raise taxes on

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the rich to help pay off the debt. But whatever the outcome, if they

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don't do something soon, the US defaulting is possible. Listen to

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this. It has potential to be catastrophic for the US markets and

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it would mean the US has to pay higher interest rates and it would

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I think really be a something that the US taxpayers would get upset

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about. Everyone is saying a deal will be agreed. But there is a lot

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of ground to cover. I was mentioning the Greeks, when they

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get a bailout, the Germans pay more and now somebody has taken this to

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the courts. Yes we have known for some time the Germans dislike these

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Irish and Greek rescue pots. You have said it, let's not kid

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ourselves, the Germans are the pay master in the eurozone and today

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the constitutional court in Germany will listen to complaints brought

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by Markus Kerber who says the money is unconstitutional, because they

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were organised by the European Commission and the central bank and

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not by German Parliament. Here is the man himself. Parliament has an

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obligation to control public funds and expenditure. They cannot give a

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general authorisation to sovereign national agencies to... Spend money

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for the sake of rescuing the euro or rescuing the stability of the

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eurozone. There is is a man being seen as a man who will block the

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bailout and it could throw the European Parliament in disarray.

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That is the business for now. do remember you can get in touch

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This is GMT. Our headlines: Laying out the long-term - the Prime

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Minister visits Afghanistan as his forces begin the handover to local

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security. And back home, Hugo Chavez returns from Cuba, following

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Let's look at story that's rapidly becoming one of the most read

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online. Ghulam Nabi Azad is India's Health Minister and yesterday he

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told a conference on HIV-AIDS that homosexuality is a disease. He also

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said it's more common in the developed world, but is spreading

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fast in India. We can speak to our correspondent, Sanjoy Majumder. Has

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he ever said these things before? Well he has not made comments on

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homosexuality before. He has made other comments which haven't gone

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down well. You can imagine the reaction these comments have got.

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Particularly because of the timing and the venue. The fact that he was

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making the comments at a conference which was aimed at preventing the

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spread of HIV and AIDS. He made remarks that you have mentioned,

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that homosexuality, he described as an unnatural act, alien to India

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and brought by westerners and spreading. The gay community as

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well as gay campaigners in India are outraged. Not just because of

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the place he said this, but also the fact that they feel that apart

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from being ignorant, this could feed into campaigners from

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conservative groups from the religious right, who are opposed to

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any attempt at legalising homosexuality. Put this in

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contexted, homosexuality was decriminalised two years ago, is

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that right? Yes, this is a community that is active in India

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and two years ago the courts put out, struck down a law that dated

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back to the 19th century, under which a homosexual act was a

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criminal offence and you could be sent to ten years in prison that.

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Ruling was welcomed and in the last couple of years, cities have

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witnessed very large gay pride parades. But socially it is still,

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same sex relationships are considered a taboo. The community

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receives widespread discrimination and it is hard for them to carry

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out a normal life and that is why they're upset. They say coming from

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a minister, it almost seems as if it represents the Government's

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point of view. It makes their life more difficult. Thank you. For most

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of July London will play host to a new arts festival called Shubbak, a

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Window on Contemporary Arab Culture. Around 100 Arab writers, actors,

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artists, musicians and film-makers from around the world will be

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showcasing their works. Two of them are joining me here. Ghulam Nabyi

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Azad and Weal Shawky. -- - Is this necessary? Yes it is a good

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opportunity to participate in such an event. I'm not sure if this is

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really happening only now. Many institutions are already doing this

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before. But maybe now it became the right time to focus on this. Both

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of you are going to be exhibited your work. Let's look at a couple

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of of the films you will be showing. Tell us more about it. These are

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familiars that were part of the Dubai International Film Festival

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and we are showing some of the winners in that festival. That

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particular film is an interesting experimental film by a Palestinian

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film maker based in Holland. The idea is to show case films, artists

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and photographers who find it difficult in London's crowded

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market and of course London is an important market, to be seen and to

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be appreciated by audiences here. Arab and non-Arab alike. We can

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pull up some of the images that people which see at your exhibits.

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-- will see at your exhibits. Talk us through these. This is part of,

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actually these are two different sew lows I have now in the UK. One

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in Liverpool at the Walker gallery. Another one in London. Actually,

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this is, yeah, so there is one of them that you have seen the image

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of now. The question all of our viewers will want to ask, how are

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the Arab uprising affecting Arab art? I think that objective

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circumstances will affect what you think and feel and how you express

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yourself. Of course how long this will take and what, I don't think

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it is an automatic process, but it is a fascinating thing to watch.

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This festival in particular will offer us a window as it says, to

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appreciate some of the changes and the interesting things that this

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new reality will take. What about you, there are plenty of protests

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in Alexandria. It is already happening. Usually I'm sceptical

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about these kind of events that says Arab or middle eastern Arab

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art. But I think it is still a good opportunity to meet interesting

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people, most of them are my friends. And also to make it more possible

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for people that don't have that much access to art in general.

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is the first time in London that we have a festival dedicated to the

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whole region, special think contemporary output. That is

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precious. The festival has arts is tick goals, does it have political

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goals and are you saying come and support change? We don't organise

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the festival. The mayor's office does. With reference to your work.

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In terms of the UK, it is important, it is the first time we're looked

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at as one culture. I think is debatable but it is interesting.

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Secondly it is a secular approach and we're not just treats from a

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religious point of view. And for the UK and London's Arab population

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in particular, it is a great opportunity, and gives us

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confidence to share and be part of the same city and it is wonderful.

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Are you trying to make a political point, or just make art? I think

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I'm just trying to make art in this case. But showing part of the peace

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in lifplts was also showing something about -- in Liverpool was

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showing something about how cultures see each other. Because

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part of my work is about cliches and how people see the other

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cultures and I think yeah, showing that, making a decision to show

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part of it was part of this. Good to pleat you, thank you. Finally,

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here's a man enjoying life at the moment - Novak Djokovic became

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