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More organisations distance themselves from the British tabloid

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News of the World as new allegations surface in the phone-

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hacking scandal. Relatives of British soldiers killed in Iraq and

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Afghanistan are warned that their phones may have been compromised.

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have to say, if these actions are proved to have been verified, I am

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appalled. I find it quite Welcome to GMT. Also in the

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programme, borrowing money in the eurozone is set to become more

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expensive, as the European Central Bank is expected to raise interest

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rates. A passionate protest. Chilean

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students demonstrate against student fees with their lips.

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It is 7:30am in Washington, early afternoon in Libya and 12:30pm here

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in London, where some of the families of British soldiers who

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have died in Iraq and Afghanistan have been shot that their phones

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may have been hacked into. Reports say that personal details of

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bereaved relatives were found in files of private detectives who

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intercepted voice mail messages for the News of the World. News

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International, which owns the paper, says it would be appalled and

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horrified if there were truth to the claims.

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The News of the World prides itself on supporting bridges soldiers and

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the families of those who have died on the front line. Now it is

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alleged to have been responsible for hacking into the phones of some

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of those families, leaving relatives to establish whether

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their phone numbers were found in the files of Glenn Mulcaire.

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family is really hurt and disturbed. We don't want a waiting game. We

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are very upset and we want to know why they have done this. They have

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trampled on the graves of those soldiers.

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The Royal British Legion has dropped the News of the World as

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his royal campaigning partner. The Chief of the Defence Staff said if

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the allegations were proved, he would be appalled. We do not want

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to get ahead of ourselves because the police investigation is ongoing

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and we need to see the results. But if these actions are proved to have

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been verified, I am appalled. I find it quite disgusting. News

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International said it would be appalled and horrified if there

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were any truth and the allegations. It said in a statement, News

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International's record as a friend of the armed services and of a

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servicemen and women is impeccable. They have campaigned in support of

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the military over many years and will continue to do so. Political

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pressure is growing. The takeover of BSkyB is being debated in the

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House of Lords. The Labour leader, Ed Miliband, says the latest

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hacking allegations reinforce the need for its public inquiry to be

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set up quickly. I think it is very important that this is a judge-led

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inquiry. It does have the power to compel witnesses and I have to say

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to the Prime Minister, I think the country will be expecting more of

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him this time. He is not engaging in the leadership that the country

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needs on this issue. He seems two steps behind public opinion, where

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public opinion is. He does not seem to be reacting with the necessary

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speed on what people want to see. And the commercial pressure on News

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International continues to grow, as more advertisers consider their

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position. NPower and Sainsbury's are the latest to suspend their

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advertising with the News of the World.

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Let's get more on this ongoing issue. I am joined by Padraig Reidy,

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the news editor of Index on censorship. Are you surprised, just

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looking at the allegations coming through now, how far journalists

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have gone to get the commission they wanted to sell their papers?

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think we are all very, very surprised. The revelations of the

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past week have made this story so much bigger. We have talked about

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celebrities in the past and rich and powerful people, and now we are

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looking at every day people, people who were victims of crime, people

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killed in wars and their families. Victims of 7/7. The scale of this

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is horrifying. How far do you think a journalist should be allowed to

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go, because when we look at the issues of freedom and the right to

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privacy, if it came down to corporate espionage and a

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journalist was looking into that, you would need to go into phone

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records and dig deeper. Where do you draw the line? We have been

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having these conversations all week. Where is the line? The feeling is

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that sometimes, on very rare occasions, a journalist or

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journalistic organisation could possibly be entitled to do these

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things. So could possibly be entitled to break the law? Yes. If

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you have to prove that you have a very strong public interest. So I

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might have a very senior politician who might be involved in,

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hypothetically, arms dealings. If I feel I have to go that little bit

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further up to get my piece approved, then perhaps it is right for me to

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maybe try and get into his phone messages or go through his e-mails.

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And you can see there is a very strong public interest in

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uncovering corruption or espionage. The problem with what the News of

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the World appears to have been doing is that in none of these

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cases is there a public interest. There is no reason as to why you

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would listen to the phone messages of a murdered girl or those of

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families of 7/7 bombing victims. think most of the viewers would

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agree but the point of that when it comes to murder victims, missing

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girls, often, many of these newspapers are facing the challenge

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of meeting we diplomat demand when they won celebrity news, which

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again could be argued to not be in the public interest. -- meeting the

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readers' demand. But why would that be allowed? I don't think most

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people reading stories about celebrities would have been

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incredibly comfortable with the idea that such things are being

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done, listening to their phone messages, etc. We are never told,

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we got this information by listening to their phone messages.

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But it is one thing with celebrities but another thing

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entirely in most people's eyes when we are dealing with victims of

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crime. Thank you very much. We can take a look at some of the

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other stories making headlines around the world. In Malaysia,

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police have taken control of a kindergarten where around 30

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children and teachers are being held hostage. A man, according to

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some reports, was armed and barged into the nursery school in at Johor

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state in the south of the country. Joining us from the Malaysian

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capital, Kuala Lumpur, is our correspondent. When did this ordeal

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begin? The man had entered the school at about 9am local time,

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just as the school day was starting. It continued for six hours. The

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police sealed off the area and they managed to subdue the guy after

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they went in and managed to free the children and their teachers as

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well. The children were all under the age of five years old. They are

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unharmed but police say they have brought them to hospital just in

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case, for a check-up. This follows a similar incident that happened

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last year, where a man had entered a kindergarten and attacked three

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children with a hammer, and after this, schools were told to be on

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high alert and make sure they come up with risk plans to when Sean no

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student is ever exposed to this kind of harm again. -- to make sure

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no student. Have police given any comment or further information

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about the man suspected of carrying this out? We have no more

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information about him but there are report suggesting he was perhaps

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mentally unstable. The same thing happened with the incident last

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year as well. So far, we have no idea of where this guy has come

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from or what his purpose was in the first place and what his demands

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were. That is not clear at this point in time. Thank you.

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New details are emerging about how the Horn of Africa's devastating

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drought is forcing migration from Somalia to Ethiopia. The World Food

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Programme says more than 110,000 people have arrived at remote camps

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at Dolo Ado in south-east Ethiopia. A further 1,600 are crossing the

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border every day but others are either too weak or too poor to

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leave their homes. Dutch police say people are trapped

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under the rubble after rig collapse in the Netherlands. A police

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spokesman said the emergency services are at the stadium where

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construction work was taking place. A court in Italy has sentenced nine

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German men, now in their eighties and nineties, to life in prison for

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killing hundreds of civilians during World War II. A court in the

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city of Rome have found that the defendants were guilty of murdering

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more than 140 people in the Modena region in 1944 of -- in 1944.

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Calls have been dismissed for the resignation of Dominique Strauss-

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Kahn. The district attorney is said to have leaked damning information

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about the chambermaid and ask for a special prosecutor to be put in his

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place. Still to come, we will find out if

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the European Central Bank is going to raise interest rates.

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Also, we're on the front line with the Libyan rebel alliance to look

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at its March on Tripoli. Earlier this week, you may have

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heard of Japanese scientists finding vast deposits of rare earth

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minerals in the Pacific Ocean. Have you ever heard of scandium?

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Disproves him? These rare elements are actually playing a vital part

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in modern lives. They are in everything from tablet computers to

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wind turbines. 90% of rare earth comes from China but over in

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America, an ailing industry is being revived.

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In a dusty old mine, high up in California's Mojave desert, America

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is digging to secure its future. Been cut from deep underground is a

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substance found in very few places. -- being cut. In these rocks of

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rare earth elements, essential hi- tech building blocks, and there's a

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shortage. We have done enough exploration to know it will last at

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least three years. This mine closed 10 years ago but with prices

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jumping tenfold in the year, it is by a boy again in a market supplied

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by just one gigantic prayer. -- it is viable again. China are starting

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to consume more of their own elements and letting less of those

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to be exported. So we are looking at the shortage, which is why his

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mind and a couple of others are trying to get up and running as

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fast as possible. -- and this mind. This is what they are digging for.

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This grey powder is a rare earth element and each of these sacks is

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worth well over �100,000. From here, it gets turned into a metal and

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that is when it starts getting useful for us was up our television

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sets need a red earth element for a full picture. Wind turbines work

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much more efficiently with rare earth magnets and hybrid cars are

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full of them, from the batteries to the fuel. Green technology,

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including solar power, depends on these elements. Fighter jets need

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them as well, and that affects American security. We should be

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worried when any country completely dominates the supply of any raw-

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material. I do not think China is at fault. But they are using the

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political leverage that is from the corner of the market they have.

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technology changes the world, demand for different natural

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resources will become more important and the competition for

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them could shape global politics. We want to hear what you think. Get

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in touch with GMT through our You are watching GMT. Our main

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headline today, there's been widespread condemnation of a

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British tabloid newspaper after the latest allegations that relatives

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of British soldiers killed in First though let's get all the

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business news. Why is the rate rise expected? It is the all-important

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comments, the press conference that comes after each month's decision.

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The head of the European Bank used to the word stronger vigilance, so

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everyone expecting that. We do know that despite all of these

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peripheral worries and debt worries with the likes of Ireland, Greece,

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Spain and Portugal, the ECB has been quite focused and focused on

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fighting inflation. At the moment it is 2.7 %, above the 2% target,

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but some people will say it is nowhere near what we have in the UK.

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The Bank of England have kept rates on hold. They have risen by one

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quarter of a %, as we expect. But what the ECB has tried to do is

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focus, despite the peripheral worries, on the core of Europe,

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which is Germany, Europe's largest economy and the powerhouse of

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Europe, as well as the economy is overheating, that is something they

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are worried about. Here in the Bank of England, we have kept rates at

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half of 1% for 28 months. Some of phenomenal number. Earlier I was

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talking to our Business Correspondent who has been

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following this from one of the trading floors at the Royal Bank of

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Scotland in London. I asked him firstly what the rate rise we have

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seen Nina for Greece, Ireland, Spain and Portugal, and what should

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we be listening to from the head of BCB in this decision press

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conference in about 40 minutes' time? That would make life

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extremely difficult, and there is a lot of concern about that, but the

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ECB is fighting on two fronts. They are equally worried about Greece

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and the fact they are sitting on 20 % of their loans. There have been a

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line -- there has been a line drawn in the sand, so it is a big issue.

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But the problem is more about solvency than the rates the Bank

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charge. It is all in the mix. It makes for difficult decisions for

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the banks and we will see some tough questions at the news

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conference after the results. Though he will use that very

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careful language that he has developed, including the phrase

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strong of vigilance. People will be watching out for in other phrase

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which is monitoring price developments. If he uses that,

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people think he may put the rates up again. But circumstances in

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Europe may not lead him. As you know, it is all to do with the

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wording. Many expect we might see another rise in rates but maybe not

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until October, possibly December. The instant reaction on the markets

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work that they were like in the decision. The European markets are

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all roughly half of a % higher. I'll have a lot more on this later

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on and through the rest of the day. Police in Britain have arrested a

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man wanted in connection with the attempted assassination of King

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Juan Carlos of Spain 14 years ago. The suspect, Eneko Gogeaskoetxea

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Arronategui, was detained in the city of Cambridge and is a

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suspected Basque separatist. He's also wanted for allegedly

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participating in an armed gang, terrorism, possession of weapons,

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theft and forgery. Let's cross live to the court in central London

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where the arrested man's due to appear: I had trouble with his name,

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and I won't ask you to pronounce it. Do tell us what has happened today.

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This man was arrested in Cambridge this morning before 9am, asking on

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intelligence received by the police. They were following up on a

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European arrest warrant obtained by the Spanish authorities. The BBC

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understand that the police were tipped off by someone who saw this

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man, Arronategui, in a gym in Cambridge and reported him to the

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police. He had been wanted since 2001 when he went on the run after

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the police raided a suspected ETA a bomb factory in the south-west of

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France. He is believed to be part of a plot to blow up King Juan

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Carlos back in 1997 when he attended the opening of the

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Guggenheim Museum in Bill Basle. -- Bill bow. Arronategui it will be

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appearing just after 2pm. It is the start of an extradition progress

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which will not take as long as it used to -- process. We now have

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European arrest warrants in place which speed up the process and they

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work both ways. Movement is now much quicker than it used to be.

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And if it all goes according to what the authorities hope it means,

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this man could be extradited as soon as a fortnight from now.

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has it taken so long for him to be found and arrested? He has been 14

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years. He has been on the run for a good long time. The Spanish

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authorities a couple of years ago launched an enormous crack down on

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ETA or, and since 1968 when the campaign of violence started, there

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have been more than 800 deaths and they have targeted politicians,

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judges, politicians -- and all sorts of people. The explosive

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devices have included exploding flowerpots and they have hidden

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bombs in saddlebags on bicycles and even in the headrests of motor

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vehicles. It has been a lethal campaign costing more than 800

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lives. This man is suspected of being a key bomb maker in ETA.

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Since the campaign was launched, dozens if not hundreds of suspects

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have been taken into custody in Spain and elsewhere in connection

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with that campaign of violence. It was last year that ETA has said it

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was ceasing its campaign of violence but there are still some

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suspects on the run, and this man is one of them. Thank you for

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bringing us up to date. The Archbishop Desmond Tutu is

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The small settlement in Libya is a small step towards the main road to

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the capital which the rebels have taken over. They want to topple the

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Gadaffi regime, but within the broad opposition alliance there are

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ethnic and tribal factors at play. Our World Affairs Correspondent has

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this report from the new front line for the rebel alliance.

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A back road out of Tripoli. And the new de facto border in western

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Libya between the rebels and Colonel Gaddafi East forces. A

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small but steady stream of vehicles arrive from the capital, 50 or 60

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per day. People are joining their families in the mountains, the

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stronghold of the revels in this part of the country. The people of

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the mountains are mainly Berbers, the minority in this Arab land.

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Their children are now being taught what their identity means. For

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decades the Berbers have not been allowed to use their unique

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language and alphabet. Colonel Gaddafi's Arab nationalist banned

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classes like this. Now there are speeches and slogans in the

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mountains and they are multilingual. In this demonstrations there are

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many Berbers and Arabs. There is no tension or threat or division. We

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are seeking to be one of Libyan country. -- won at Libyan country.

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But there are places where ethnic bought tribal tensions are clear.

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The village of Mucha Show, home of their tribe. Many places in the

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mountains emptied as civilians fled the fight with Colonel Gaddafi's

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forces. Here, by contrast, there was a conflict between different

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tribes in the mountains. Doors have been forced, houses looted. The

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rebels sake that the tripe sided with Colonel Gadaffi. -- the rebels

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say that the tribe sided. What is this -- this is an indication of

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the latent tensions in many parts of Libya. The revolutionaries as

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they call themselves say Colonel Gaddafi encourage those tensions in

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order to divide and rule the country. But if the revolution

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succeeds, it is certainly the case that there will be a lot of work of

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reconciliation to be done. Back at the school, the children's -- the

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children sing their new national anthem. In fact it is the original

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and some from the days of the Libyan monarchy, before Colonel

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Gaddafi came to power. -- the Libyan -- the original anthem. They

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are looking to the past as well as Here is a different way of arousing

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attention to a campaign cause. Students in Chile have exchanged

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violent protests against government education policies by locking lips

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and kissing. As David Campanale reports, students have taken to the

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streets to show they want a lot less violent confrontation and a

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lot more love. Passionate for the cause of their

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education. Thousands of students in the capital of chilly, Santiago,

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have exchanged sit-ins for love-ins, to draw attention to education

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standards and rising costs. These kissing protests its -- protesters

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say the education system needs urgent resuscitation. They wanted

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to be accessible for later generations. That is why we are

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fighting. Their approach has breathed new life into how students

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are thought to protest. What is happening is that young people are

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learning and realising that the education here in chilly is bad.

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And I think it is a beautiful way to protest and it is better to see

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these young people protesting in such a simple way with a kiss.

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will the power of love be enough to shift government policy? Protests

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by high school and university students have gone on for some time

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now. Just contrast with these angry scenes earlier this week, which saw

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students throwing bottles and waving banners. And police doing

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their thing of firing tear-gas and water cannon to disperse them.

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Chilean President Sebastian Pinera's response on television was

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the promise of a $4 billion fund that would pay more grants and make

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student loans cheaper. He also said admissions would be made fairer.

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But he rejected student demands to nationalise private colleges. Were

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they getting up close and personal on the streets for staging tongue-

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in-cheek kisses, he said that such a policy would only damage the

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quality and freedom of Chilean I wonder if the kissing will catch

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on. We all need a bit of love every now and again. Before we go, lots

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more on the British phone hacking scandal on the BBC website. There

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you'll find a section on the key questions following the fallout and

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