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No stone left unturned - David Cameron announces two inquiries

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into the phone hacking a scandal as the political pressure mounts. The

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press, the police and politicians all face months of scrutiny. Is

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there is a watershed moment for Britain's political culture? There

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are two choices. You can downplayed and deny that the problem is deeper,

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or you can accept the seriousness of the situation and deal with it.

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Welcome to GMT. I'm Stephen Sackur. Also in the programme: Desperate,

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facing starvation. British aid agencies launched an appeal to help

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the 10 million people now at risk of famine in East Africa.

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And on the brink of nationhood: South Sudan is just hours from

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independence, but will the good will on the new Sudanese frontier

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It is 9:30pm in Sydney, 7:30am in New York City and half past noon in

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London, where Britain's Prime Minister David Cameron has

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announced two investigations into what he called the disgusting phone

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hacking scandal which has sent shockwaves through the country's

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political culture. Mr Cameron pledged not just to get to the

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truth of what happened at the Rupert Murdoch and News of the

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World, but also to clean up the culture and ethics of the press.

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Within minutes of the Prime Minister's words, police confirmed

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the arrest of Andy Coulson, the former editor of the News of the

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World who was hired by Mr Cameron to be his communications chief.

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James Kelly has this report. Last night, it was one former News

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of the World editor in the spotlight, with multiple calls for

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her resignation. Today, it is another, Andy Coulson, who left the

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paper after the first phone hacking scandal and went on to be director

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of communications at Number 10. resigned from the News of the World

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because of things that happened on his watch. I decided to give him a

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second chance, and no one has ever raised serious concerns about how

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he did his job for me. But the second chance didn't work out, and

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he had to resign all over again. The decision to hire him was mine

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and mine alone, and I take full responsibility for it. The Prime

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Minister gave a news conference to announce the details have not one

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but two independent inquiries into the behaviour of the media. A full

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public inquiry led by a judge will start after the police

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investigation into alleged phone hacking and payments to officers is

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complete. Another inquiry into the future of the press will start as

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early as this summer. Under the watch of Labour leaders and

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conservative leaders, politicians and the press have spent time

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courting support not confronting the problems. It is on my watch

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that the music has stopped, and I am saying loud and clear that

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things have got to change. Yesterday, after days of damaging

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revelations and the withdrawal by one big company after another

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advertising, News International executives reached a decision to

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close the News of the World. This company has been a great investor

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in journalism, a great investor in media in general, and is something

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that we believe very strongly in. And clearly, certain activities did

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not live up to those standards, and that is a matter of great regret,

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for me personally and for the company. The allegations have also

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called into question the ongoing stake -- takeover of BSkyB by

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Rupert Murdoch's firm. The leader of the opposition says that needs

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fresh scrutiny. The notion that today, next week, in September,

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this will be waved through on the basis of assurances from executives

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at News Corporation frankly does not meet the test of public consent.

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I just think there is no doubt about that. But the Prime Minister

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stuck to his guns when asked about the future of the bid, saying the

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Culture Secretary had to follow legal guidelines in assessing the

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deal. For the hundreds a staff that News of the World, what happens to

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their job now is equally unclear. Let's get another perspective on

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all of this. We are joined by Bruce Orwall, the London bureau chief for

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the Wall Street Journal which, like the News of the World, is owned by

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News Corporation. Let's start with David Cameron. You obviously

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watching his performance. Does he look like a prime minister who is

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confident that he is on top of this scandal? I think he looks like a

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prime minister who feels like he has a lot of issues to address with

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this scandal. He of course, No. 1, has hired from the tabloid

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newspaper that is as question here -- that is at question here his top

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communications director, so that will hang over him. He also is

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friendly with at the top news executive of News Corp in the UK,

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Rebekah Brooks, who was under a lot of pressure to resign. That is two

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issues that he has to deal with. His answer is to call for this

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reboot of the whole made a political police culture here. He

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is going to continue to face questions about all of this as long

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as Andy Coulson is going through the legal process and Rebekah

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Brooks as the top executive of News International. I notice you homed

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in there on the question of Rebekah Brooks. Do you believe that Rupert

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Murdoch very soon his gate take a decision that he will have to let

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Rebekah Brooks go? Everything we know about that indicate to the

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contrary. Rebekah Brooks is one of the people who is described by some

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as being more family than family to Rupert. She is not related to him,

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but she is like a very close family member, and she has been for years.

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Does that equation change now that the Prime Minister has pushed her a

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bit down the gangplank? It could be harder to resist, but so far the

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indication that we have had is that they want to keep her. How rattled

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you think is Murdoch, his family and people closest to him? I can't

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say for sure how Rupert himself is dealing with it. It is obviously a

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convulsive and distracting strategy that is leaching out into other

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business operations. It is complicating and possibly delaying

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their attempt to acquire BSkyB fully. It is tarnishing the

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reputation of the country's news operations in the UK in a way that

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is unflattering. And now it is reverberating be on the UK. Those

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are not good things. That is why they took a decisive action

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yesterday to just simply close the News of the World. Whether that is

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enough to contain the damage, I think this scandal will roll on

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regardless. I suspect that is true. We tend to you because you have an

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outside perspective on this. What do you think it says about

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Britain's political culture that a Prime Minister like David Cameron

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can have such a close personal relationship with a senior news

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executive like Rebekah Brooks? That Cameron clearly has been friendly

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with the Murdoch organisation, as indeed Tony Blair was before him.

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Do think there is something rotten at the heart of the political media

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culture in Britain? Media and political and business elite always

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have social relationships in any culture and society. But would it

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work the same way in the United States? Is it conceivable President

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Obama could have the sort of relationships? I couldn't see

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President Obama hiring a top spokesperson from a tabloid

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newspaper that runs the kind of stories that the News of the World

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has done. The political, media, entertainment classes are all knit

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together here in a much closer way than they are in the US. All those

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centres are in one place in London. Everyone socialises with everyone

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else. We are out of time, but very briefly, do think that they can be

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on stitched? That is what Karen seemed to be pointing to today. --

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Cameron. I think you can try to, but I think there are some deeply

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rooted practices in the media culture here, and they think it

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would be very difficult to unwind them in the long run. Bruce all,

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Let's take a look at some of the other stories making headlines

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around the world today. Thousands of people are protesting across

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Egypt at the perceived slow pace of change since the revolution five

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months ago. Activists say the military regime has been reluctant

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to prosecute the police involved in the deaths of protesters, and that

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whilst Hosni Mubarak is no longer in power, his officials are still

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in charge of the institutions. Syria has accused the United States

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and interfering in its affairs after the US ambassador to the

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country travelled to the flashpoint city of Hama. The visit by Robert

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Ford was proof of US involvement in protests, they said. The US State

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Department said the visit was to show solidarity with protesters.

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Pakistan has responded angrily to comments by America's highest-

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ranking military officer that it sanctioned the killing of a

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Pakistani journalist in May. The Pakistani government spokesperson

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described the allegation by admiral Mike Mullen as extremely

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irresponsible. A terrible mass migration is under

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way in East Africa. Thousands of people have abandoned their homes

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in the hope of reaching refugee camps offering food and water. The

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region is enduring its worst drought in 60 years. More than 10

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million people in Kenya, Somalia and Ethiopia have been affected,

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and medical staff in the camps are struggling to cope. Britain's

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Disasters Emergency Committee has launched a fund-raising appeal to

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help, and there have been speaking to its chief executive, Brendan

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Gormley, about precisely what needs to be done.

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What we have as thousands of destitute people on the move,

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moving into Ethiopia and Kenya. The charities that make up the DEC are

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there, that is the good news. What they desperately want to do is

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rampart their life-saving work. And to do that, they need extra cash.

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We are asking the British public if they will dig deep yet again.

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you have a figure in mind? What is needed? No, we are grateful for

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anything that people will give. People are seeing awful pictures on

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their screens, and we are there to make it easy for them to give. We

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will ensure that money at between the charities, and to make sure

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that the different things, clean water, food, is being delivered.

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One of the problems I see on my television screen is that many of

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the people in the worst affected areas are in Somalia. It is

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terribly difficult to actually reach many of these people.

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good news is that many of our charities have been working in

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Somalia quietly for years. They have local staff and community

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groups that they work with. And on top of that, the ruling elite have

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opened up the frontiers. They say that they trust the charities. They

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say, if you are only here to help our people, you are welcome. One of

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those awful bottlenecks, as you know there has been a chronic

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conflict the 20 years in Somalia, which has really sapped all have

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the energy and resources away from the pastoral people who live there.

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We know that some of the camps, in Kenya in particular, a terribly

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overcrowded. Cams designed for 90,000 people already have hundreds

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of thousands. Is one of the intentions, if you get more

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resources, to build new camps? is not really the answer. The real

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answer would be to help people get back. They know how to eke a living

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in some of the most difficult environments in the world. With

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water, with restocking, they can live there. If they are stuck in

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camps, where not productive and they cannot look after themselves.

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Clearly we have got to do life saving stuff now, and the camps

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have got to be in good order, but what we desperately want is to

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reach out to people before they get sucked into the camps, get their

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basics going again, getting some seeds and tools, and restock.

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Brendan Gormley there. Still to come on GMT, the final countdown.

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But the US space shuttle is ready for his final mission - if the

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First, let's get all the business news. Aaron Heslehurst is here. All

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the talk today is about the Murdoch media empire.

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Absolutely. At the end of the day, this is a numbers game. Sales of

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the News of the World and its sister newspaper, the son, $1

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billion, but it is a mere outpost in the entire Murdoch global

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corporation, because News Corps had sales last year of $33 billion.

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That didn't come from newspapers, it came from television. The Fox

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network, $15 billion. That is why Murdoch is so keen to get full

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control of BSkyB. But since the hacking scandal, a lot of members

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of the public and now asking if News Corps would be a fit and

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proper air owner for BSkyB. But that doesn't really impact on

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the question of whether or not News Corp can take over BSkyB. That is a

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question that has almost now been resolved. We have the solution

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offered by News Corporation and BSkyB to hive-off Sky News and

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address the issues that have been raised in that context. So now,

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reverse engineering the process actually doesn't seem to work in

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law. You can't go back and That is interesting. He was telling

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me you would have to set up a whole new set of laws in Parliament.

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were going to talk about it gloomy US jobs figures, but not today?

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Optimism! We're going to see some solid cracking numbers from the US

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in terms of how many new jobs were created in the month of June. This

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off the back of some dismal numbers in May, only a few 1,000. Today we

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are expecting something like 140 to 160,000 jobs. I asked why we were

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expecting such a big jump. I think it is down to the energy costs this

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year and also the Japanese earthquake, so we lot of

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manufacturers shut down operations. Gasoline prices and energy costs

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have fallen and the Japanese supply issues are unravelling as well.

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This would be good news. The US recovery has always been seen as a

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bit of a jobless recovery. It has been a big problem for the Obama

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administration. Let's take a look at the markets, because they have

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been focused pretty much on this story, because yesterday we also

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had some cracking numbers from the US. We do want to hear what you

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think. The best way to get in touch is through our website. You can see

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recent interviews and we have are links to Facebook and Twitter there.

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This is GMT from BBC World news. The headlines, the British Prime

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Minister David Cameron has said there will be a full judge LED

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inquiry into the phone-hacking scandal that has led to the closure

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of the best selling Sunday newspaper, the News of the World.

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A group of UK aid agencies is launching a joint appeal aimed at

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helping 10 million people hit by the drought on the Horn of Africa.

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The Republic of South Sudan is about to become the world's newest

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nation. The people of southern Sudan have voted overwhelmingly to

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declare independence from the North in a referendum last January. With

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hours to go, southerners living in the North are reported to be

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leaving in huge numbers. Zeinab Badawi has been to meet some of

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those who have lost their jobs and Going out, not so much with a loud

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bang as with a loud beat. The officers' club in Khartoum. An

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emotional farewell. The Sudanese Defence Minister and the chief of

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the armed forces bid goodbye to their southern colleagues.

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TRANSLATION: To be honest with you, on this day we feel some sadness to

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lose very good-natured colleagues who, in some cases, have been with

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us for decades and have served loyally in the army. They were

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given this colourful send off. There is clearly joy that the South

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is embarking on this historic venture, the building of a brand

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new nation. I am going to take my freedom. They have been taking my

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freedom up to now but now I am going to take it. I am very, very

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grateful. There are about 20,000 southern Sudanese in the national

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army. That is about 10%. Behind me, the Air Force, in front, the

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soldiers. This is the last time they will be wearing these uniforms

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for an official occasion. Many are genuinely reluctant to be leaving

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Sudan's forces. They face an uncertain future in the south. Some

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will choose to remain in the North. Another person forced it to give up

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a much-loved job is Agnes Lukudu. Wonderful to see you. Lovely to see

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you. If she is one of the most prominent Southern leaders in the

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North, an adviser to President Bashir, and she considers him a

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friend. You are Agnes Lukudu. You are ahead of the ruling National

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Congress Party in the South, in the southern sector? Yes. But you are

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going to be out of a job? Yes, this is the Presidential decree. It says,

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I, President Bashir, have decreed on this particular day that the

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following people. Their work -- will be stopping their work on 9th

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July. And the following people include me. As the world waits to

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see if the southern Sudanese can turn a concept into a viable,

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thriving nation, not all, even tough of soldiers, can remain

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clear-I'd about the future. That was Zeinab Badawi reporting

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from Khartoum, but let's made a journey to Juba, the town that was

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soon be the new capital of South Sudan. -- that will soon be.

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This is the countdown clock and there you have it. Welcome to

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Africa's youngest nation. It is counting down the hours and minutes

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to the independence of South Sudan. The streets are fairly quiet and

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that is because the roads have been closed off. You need special passes

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to move around and there is a heightened security prisons. Not

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surprising, given how many foreign dignitaries will be coming into

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this town, which has never received as many visitors before. At this

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time, the South is facing rebellion in many parts of the country.

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There's also fear about the North- south border, so it is being born

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as a new nation but at a time when there are new worries about what

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will happen with his new independence and whether this

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country will be stable and secure. -- this new independence. A few

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people are blowing up balloons here and we understand that at midnight,

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the church bells will ring out across the country, so preparations

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are underway. A few soldiers are in the shade taking a break from the

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hot Juba sun. But despite the challenges facing this country, the

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expectations of the people here are sky-high.

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That was our reporter in what will be the world's newest capital.

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Talking about hours from now, that packhorse of the space age, the

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space shuttle, is due to take off on its final mission. A vast crowd

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is expected in Florida, Cape Canaveral, but they may remain

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thwarted as the weather remains touch and go. We can go to Laura

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Trevelyan de the space part. She is there live. What is it like? It is

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not that promising. There is a patch of blue, but is it good

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enough? This well before Atlantis to leave on its final journey.

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Behind me, hundreds of people spend the night camped out. It is, people

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hope, a defining and historic moment.

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The last ever Shuttle, set for its last ever mission. The launch of

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that land is marks the end of an era of space exploration. --

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Atlantis. The first shuttle, Columbia, was launched in 1981. It

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was supposed to be the start off a new era of regular, cheap space

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exploration. The idea was that there would be launches once, maybe

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even twice a week. That did not happen. Costs soared and there were

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design problems. In 1986, the shuttle Challenger exploded on

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launch. The entire crew, including a school teacher, was killed. And

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the design flaws persisted. Columbia, Houston, check. There was

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no answered. Columbia had exploded as it re-entered the Earth's

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atmosphere in 2003. But the Shuttle also had its golden years.

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Discovery put the Hubble space telescope into orbit in 1990,

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opening the eyes of the world to the wonders of the universe. And

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the fleet of shuttles helped build the International Space Station. It

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that was not enough, though. With the loss of 14 lives and two

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spacecraft, NASA decided the shuttle fleet would be mothballed

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once the International Space Station was finished. So what do

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the space enthusiasts may Cobbett? I am joined by two now. You we here

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overnight sleeping in a chair. Why is is so important for you to be

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here? We came down last time when they launched Atlantis and it is an

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amazing spectacle. This is the last one so we could not miss it. It is

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nearly 40 years since there was a man on the moon and America has led

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the way in space exploration. Do you fill America might be slipping

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behind? Absolutely not. It is not slipping behind but it is a

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worldwide venture. The International Space Station is a

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worldwide project so I think that speaks for itself. How do you feel

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about this final mission? Is it a bittersweet moment? Is it clear

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what at NASA are going to do next? I am sure they have a full schedule

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of a flight launches but we are getting out of the man-space flight

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business for the time being and hopefully we will get back to it

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soon. Do you feel may be space has become a bit mundane and that is

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why politicians are not so keen to give it funding? I think for the

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younger generation, it might be mundane because they grew up with

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it, but there's millions of us here from all nations. So enthusiasm is

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alive and well here on the Florida coast.

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We are coming to the end of GMT. A reminder of our main story, police

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have arrested Andy Coulson, the former editor of News of the World

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and former adviser to David Cameron. David Cameron has announced a

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