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Members of the British military are severely criticised for the assault

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and death of Iraqi man in its detention in 2003. Baha Mousa was

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arrested in the southern city of Basra, and died after sustaining 93

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injuries, the inquiry head gives a damning report.

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I find that hooding and stress conditions as a form of

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conditioning were wholly unacceptable in any circumstances.

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Welcome to GMT. I'm Naga Munchetty. Also in the programme: Staying

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defiant, Libya's Colonel Gaddafi contacts a Syrian TV station and

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denies that he has fled to neighbouring Niger.

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Hand, an emotional journey to Pakistan, for the adoption of a

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baby daughter. It's 7am in Washington, 1pm in Tripoli, midday

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here in London. Where several soldiers and officers of the

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British military have been severely criticised for assaulting an Iraqi

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man who was held in their custody in 2003. Baha Mousa was arrested in

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the southern Iraqi city of Basra, after British soldiers found

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weapons and fake identity cards. He was beaten during interrogation,

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and died after sustaining almost 100 injuries. The chairman of a

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British inquiry into the death, Sir William Gage, says the treatment of

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the prisoner was completely unacceptable.

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And done by units in Iraq. My judgment it is that they

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constituted an appalling episode of serious, gratuitous violence on

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civilians, which resulted in the death of One man and injuries to

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others. They represented a very serious breach of discipline by a

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number of members of 1 QLR. world affairs correspondent

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Humphrey Hawksley joins us. This is a damning report. Very

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clear the message. It is very clear cut. As we absorb the information

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taken from 388 witnesses over many months, coming in such a measured

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way we detail of what happened, if we go over that, videos have been

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shown of this. A man, held in a stress position, handcuffed,

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deprived of sleep, in very high temperatures. Many of those things

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breaking laws brought in, in 1972, and entrenched in Army culture,

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everyone knows this is not have to do things. This is a rogue group?

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What comes out of this is, there was no oversight into what they

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were doing. The Colonel, the major, the lieutenant, were fought

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strongly criticised for not intervening, not checking. Because

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of that, if those couple of days this happened, Baha Mousa ended up

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dead, under British military care. The inquiry found it and did so

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much work that the British troops were trying to do in Basra, which

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British foreign policy was to try to do in Iraq. This now demands a

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period of intense reflection by the British Army. The after 70

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recommendations from the inquiry. If you look at them, they seem to

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be common sense. When a prisoner is taken in under British military

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care, you should check they are all right. After four hours, they

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should have a medical. There should be a detention officer, who will

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check things are not going wrong. Is it surprising such basic

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requirements are now being recommended? Shouldn't this had

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been in place before? This is the question. What defence people are

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saying is if this was an entrenched culture, of which the inquiry found

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it wasn't, we would be having many more Baha Mousa inquiries. This was

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a rogue group, that warren green probably about an attack on their

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friends. But then, what officials say is, they might have been angry

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but there were rather British regiments whose friends were being

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killed and they did not act like this. This is not institutional

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within the British Army. From training, they are told this must

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not happen, but somehow it did. The command from the colonel down did

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not do enough to check that things were going all right during the

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interrogation. Colonel Gaddafi called a Syrian

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television station to dismiss claims that he's fled to Niger as

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'lies". He says that the reports are "part of the psychological war"

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waged by his opponents. Meanwhile, Libya's National Transitional

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Council says that it is sending representatives to Niger to ask the

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government not to shelter Colonel The demise of Colonel Gaddafi has

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put Niger in a dilemma. The northern town of Agadez has long

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been the gateway for vital trade between the two countries. That

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trade and political ties have centred on the man who ran Libya

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for four decades. He invested large sums of money here, here and some

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respect. Now there is fear about the spillover from a war he seems

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to have lost. TRANSLATION: These people will bring instability. We

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do not know what will become of it afterwards. There is concern about

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how instability could spread across the region south of Libya.

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TRANSLATION: I am very afraid. All the countries bordering Libya are

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afraid because it is something which will stagnate development.

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The government here does not want to alienate the opponents or

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supporters of Gaddafi. TRANSLATION: The government would

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like to tell the national and international community that

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Colonel Gaddafi is not on Niger's soil at the moment. But it hasn't

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ruled out allowing Gaddafi to come hit in a humanitarian gesture.

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There is pressure on Niger from the west and the National Transitional

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Council not to do this. It is a dilemma this poor and often

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unstable country could well do without.

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We now go to Benghazi where the National Transitional Council is

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based and we ask how concerned they are about Gaddafi fleeing the

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country. Overall, they don't seem concerned

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about the situation. People, the opposition want to make it clear

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there is no deal, they are not prepared to see Colonel Gaddafi

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leave the country in return for the restoration of stability and peace.

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They want to capture Colonel Gaddafi and put him on trial inside

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Libya. They are not concerned his forces control parts of the country

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or whether he is still in the country. They want to bring him to

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justice here in Libya. Russia's President Dmitry Medvedev

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has visited the site of the plane crash that killed most of one of

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the country's top ice-hockey team, Lokomotiv. More than 40 people were

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killed including 36 players and officials of the squad. The Yak-42

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came down near Yaroslavl, north east of Moscow, shortly after take-

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off. In Germany, two men have been arrested in Berlin on suspicion of

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plotting to set off bombs. The suspects are a 24-year-old

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German of Lebanese descent, and a 28-year-old from Gaza. Police

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allege that they had purchased chemicals suitable for bomb-making.

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Kenya's Prime Minister, Raila Odinga, has confirmed that the

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country will host a two-day summit to discuss ways of tackling the

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region's humanitarian crisis, triggered by severe drought. The UN

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this week announced that famine conditions had now spread to a

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sixth area of Somalia, and that three-quarters of a million people

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were facing famine. Nora macro is trying to -- is

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bringing a campaign to the United Nations over the killing of his son.

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It was a very warm reception in New York. The city's councillors

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honoured his kidnapped son, proclaiming this Gilad day. And but

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the father has come to make his case at the un, arguing against a

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bid to seek recognition by the Palestinians. He says this status

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should not be granted as long as his son is held captive in Gaza.

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We are not against a Palestinian state. We just claim recognition as

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a legitimate state or membership of the United Nations, on one hand,

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and on the other hand, holding a hostage for more than five years.

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It is clearly a breach of international law. Those two things

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cannot live together. Gilad was kidnapped five years ago. Soon

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after, Israel launched an offensive to secure his release, it said, and

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to stop Palestinian rocket attacks. 300 Palestinians were killed. In

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2009, Hamas, the group holding him, released a video of him reading a

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newspaper to prove he was alive. Negotiations for his release have

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been on and off. It is that the United Nations that his father is

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increasing pressure on the Palestinians. But they are divided

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between the Palestinian operative in the west Bank and Hamas which

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controls Gaza. And the ones who want to upgrade their status here

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on what the ones who hold his son. That's a distinction his father

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rejects. From my point of view, it is a poor decision. The perceived -

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- Palestinians are one and the same. After five years, Mr Gilad Shalit

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it is not that a confident it will bring his -- -- Mr Shalit does not

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feel so confident. Contenders for the US Republican

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Party candidacy in next year's presidential election have appeared

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in a televised debate in California. May eight candidates, two hours of

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questions on live TV, and the election one year away. That's

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American politics. There was one thing clear amid the tangle of

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specifics, it was how far to the right the Republican party -- the

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Republican Party has been moving can a band to the Tea Party

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movement. For if the Republican Party is for

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helping us create jobs, I am for the tea party -- Tea Party.

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The all eyes were on the Texas Governor Rick Perry, the current

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favourite. The newest candidate in his first debate. He held his own.

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Michael Dukakis created jobs five times faster than you did. George

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Bush created jobs at a faster rate than you did, governor. Jobs and

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the economy dominated. They all agreed on one thing. Whoever the

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nominee is, we're all for defeating Barack Obama. The applause was for

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Nancy Reagan, the event hosted in the library devoted to her late

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husband. Devastate in as our economy is with the policies of

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Barack Obama. Michele Bachmann led a poll a few weeks ago but her

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campaign has lost its momentum. A lot of talk, all eyes will be on

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the next opinion polls. But Sarah Palin is still waiting in the wings

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who might yet joined the race for the White House.

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Still to come. Will remember 9/11. BBC News

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viewers share their memories. I couldn't take in what I was

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seeing was real, it seemed like a Jobs are in focus. We look to the

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tows get an investigation of global recovery. Yeah, absolutely. All

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eyes and ears on this speech by President Obama. It's aimed at

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getting Americans back to work. I mean, the jobless picture in

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America has always been the dead weight around the US economy. It's

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been a jobless recovery. You have an unemployment rate in the US of

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hovering around 9% for the past two years, 14 million Americans are out

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of work. That's why the expectation and the hope that when President

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Obama delivers this speech, it's been much anticipated. He will

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deliver a $300 billion back to work programme, to include tax

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incentives for companies who take on employees, infrastructure

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programmes, building roads, bridges etc, but here's the thing, you have

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got to remember, since the financial crisis the US government

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has pumped in $1 trillion into the ulz economy. The question with this

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programme is will it work and will it be passed by Congress? If it's a

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wide-ranging spending package, the chances of it getting through the

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Republican House are rather slim. I think tax cuts probably have a

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better chance of getting through. OK, so tax cuts, but that speech 12

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midnight, UK time is when he delivers that. So the reaction

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tomorrow will be very interesting, certainly on the markets around the

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world, Asian markets will be the first to react. Well we can look

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ahead to that, but we've had news in the last 30sebgdz. Yes. And?

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haven't haert it yet? Have you got it The ECB have left interest rates

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on hold. No surprises. It is interest day for many countries

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around the world, butt Bank of England, less than an hour ago,

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left interest rates on a record low, 0.5%, two-and-a-half years at that

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left. -- level. They say there's been no stimulus. There were

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expectations of a stimulus programme. We can expect interest

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rates in this country to remain at that level for two years. The ECB

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is interesting. The talk about the ECB, they decided to raise interest

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rates. July was the last time. Going against the grain of what

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everyone else has been doing, because it was worried about

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inflation, that seems to have been the wrong strategy. Inflationary

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worries are off the table. The worry is growth or a lack of growth,

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in particular, of course, in the core of the eurozone, where we're

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seeing really Germany and France slowing considerably, manufacturing

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numbers down, consumer confidence is down. So, it's a worry. Growth

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is the focus for the eurozone now. Interest rates unchanged by the

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European Central Bank at 1.5%.. Thanks for giving me that news. Any

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time! Let us know what you think of what

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we're doing at GMT. The best way is through the website bbc.co.uk/gmt.

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You can watch highlights from the This is GMT from BBC World News.

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I'm Naga Munchetty. The headlines this hour - a long awaited report

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has found evidence of assault and illegal techniques were used

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against the Iraqi detainee, Baha Mousa. It amounted to a very

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serious breach of discipline said Sir William Gage.

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Colonel Gaddafi denies he's fled to Niger. He phones a Syrian

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television station to say so. OK, let's move on now. We're

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talking about adopting a child. As it's an emotionally charged process

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at the best of time. Adopt ago broad adds new layers of stress,

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uncertainty and even danger, making the experience a journey fraught

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with challenges. My next guest, Saira Khan, took this journey when

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she and her husband decided to adopt a baby girl from Pakistan. We

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speak to her in a moment. First, here's a taste of what she found

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when she arrived in Karachi, Pakistan's financial capital.

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Babies are abandoned every week on the streets of Karachi. Sometimes

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they're left in this cradle, which stands just outside the Edhi

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Abandoned newborns, most of them girls, are usually found homes

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locally by the woman who runs the orphanage. It is this woman alone

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who will decide whether or not to give Saira a baby.

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Saira Khan is with us now, for British viewers, we know you from

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the first series of the show The Apprentice. Time has moved on since

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then, as has your family as well. It's interesting, because when you

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read about people who adopt from abroad, and please don't take this

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offencively, you think OK, stars wanting some attention. They go to

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another country, Madonna, Joel Joel Joel, what drove you to do this?

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wantsed to complete my family and for me, it was the fact that I

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can't have children naturally and my second IVF attempt failed.

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already have one child? Yes, I have a son. He was IVF. I was lucky to

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have him. At the second, when the second one failed, I just thought,

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you know, that's enough. Can you just get onto this cycle of IVF,

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and I thought actually, there are so many children out there that

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want loving parents and we want a child, so let's do it. Tell us what

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you saw in Pakistan. You decided to go to Pakistan. Yes, can I add

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though, that in order to adopt in this country, you have to go

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through the British adoption system, which takes eight months. You have

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to be approved before you can go. I couldn't just say, hey there's a

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child that needs help in Pakistan, let's rock over. You absolutely

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cannot do that. Right. Have you to follow a process. But Pakistan,

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because my heritage is there. My father's buried out there. I can

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speak the language. I know the culture. I visited the orphanage a

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few years ago, when I made another documentary for the BBC. The images

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and the stores stuck with me and the children stuck with me, so I

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went back. Tell us about your little girl. Tell us about the

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process when you first met her? don't want to spoil it because the

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documentary is on tonight. I'll never forget the first moment I saw

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her. It was totally emotional. I bonded with her as soon as I set my

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eyes on her. I just, I had a lot of apprehensions and pre-conceived

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ideas about what that moment would be like, but it was a natural, I

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love you instantly and a natural motherly kind of connection.

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will shaedapt? She's a baby, she won't really know that she's moving

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from countries. What culture will you instil in her? Will she know

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that she is from Pakistan? Will you make sure she has that connection?

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In order tore me to adopt from Pakistan, I had to prove to social

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workers and the social system that I would respect her heritage and

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culture and make sure that she always had ties back with that

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country. So we have plans to go back every year, when it's safe.

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And also, we have to do a story book for her. I've kept every

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single thing for her from her time that she spent in Pakistan. But she

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will have issues in terms of her identity later on. She may ask

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questions about who, you know, where do I come from? She's

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experienced loss. That's how the whole adoption process helps you to

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cope. Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you for telling us your story.

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Thank you. A French court has just passed

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verdict in the trial of the British fashion designer John Galliano. He

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was accused of making anti-Semitic remarks to customers in a Paris bar

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six months ago. We can bring you those, a French court has sentenced

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John Galliano, a further 2,000 euro fine over that behaviour in this

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second complaint. 9/11 changed the world forever. It

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was one of those moments most of us will be able to remember for many,

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many years to come. Many of us will remember exactly where we were when

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we heard and saw the news. BBC World News has asked viewers to

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I remember going into the science technician's room at school. She

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was leaning against the work bench and gazing at a small television on

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top of a filing cabinet. She said, "Andy, come and see this." And I

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remember standing and watching in silence and I just really couldn't

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take in that what I was seeing was real. It seems like some kind of

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disaster movie. We stood and we watched and slowly, others joined

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us. They watched too. I remember just the silence and the kind of

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numbness, the inability to accept what I was seeing. It wasn't really,

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I suppose, even maybe until the next day that I really began to

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dawn on me how awful what I'd seen had really been. Interestingly, on

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the day of 9/11 event, I was at a friend's house. There was a very

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small room fully covered, because during that regime you were not

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allowed to watch movie or TV. So we turned on the TV and there was a

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News Channel. I saw that there are two big buildings headed by planes.

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On that night I didn't know what's going on. The next day when I went

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home, I found out that Al-Qaeda attacked the US Twin Towers in the

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United States. We didn't know that that's going to end up that the

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Taliban regime would collapse in Afghanistan and the US would come

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to Afghanistan and fight against the Taliban regime.

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We were sitting in the conference, listening to the instructor, when

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somebody walked in and spoke to him quietly. At that point, the

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instructor informed us that there was something going on in New York

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and that a television had been set up in the next room, in the

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refreshment room, by the hotel. We walked into the room, just as the

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second plane was hitting the tower. Initially we all thought it was

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just awe repeat of the first plane. Once we real aislesed what was

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going on, it stunned us. It was a day I've never forgotten, a day

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that will probably live with me for the rest of my life. It was only a

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few -- there are only a few days like, that but that's definitely

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one of them. BBC world viewers giving us their memories of 9/11.

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Well, in other news, we've had a ruling on the John Galliano case.

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Our correspondent Christian Fraser, is joining us from Paris. Yes, he's

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been handed a 6,000 euro suspended fine, which means that he won't

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have to pay the fine, if he carries himself in good behaviour and

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doesn't repeat what he did back in March. I think that is probably

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about the lightest sentence he could possibly expect. It really

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shows the pity and sympathy I think the prosecuter had for him by the

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end of this trial. We saw the figure of a very fragile man, who

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was in a downward psych until his life and addicted to drink and

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drugs and I think, the court has been lenient on this occasion. He

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has, of course, paid the ultimate price. He lost his �4 million job

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at Dior and the job at his own label. The cost to his own personal

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reputation is immense. The question now, having been passed this

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sentence, is whether he will ever be able to attain the heights he

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