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Or come to GMT with me, Zeinab Badawi. Tensions amongst EU leaders

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as they struggle to find a way forward on the eurozone crisis.

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France accuses Britain of unnecessary meddling. And we have a

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special report from Zambia to look at the impact of its soaring birth

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weight. -- birth rate. In Turkey, rescue

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teams are desperately searching for survivors after the region was hit

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by a powerful earthquake on Sunday. As they move through the disaster

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area, the number of victims keeps going up. It now stands at more

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than 260 killed and 1,300 injured. There's also concern for the tens

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of thousands who spent the night outside, in freezing temperatures.

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With all the very latest, here is our world affairs correspondent,

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It is a race against time. Rescuers are cutting through layers of

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concrete and steel. At last, they reach this man. Incredibly, still

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alive, still able to move his arm. They question him and he shakes his

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head. Gently, they pull him out. One lucky survivor in a sea of

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devastation. Out of the rubble, another man is rushed to hospital.

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In Ercis, the multi-storey buildings became so deadly.

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Thousands collapsed like packs of cards. People had to fend for

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themselves for hours before rescue teams reach this remote area --

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dozens collapsed. We were trapped under debris with my brother. I was

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pulled out but he is still trapped there. These buildings were no

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match for the force of the earthquake. Two cities and many

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villages are in ruins. Power and water supplies are cut off and many

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residents can do little more than endure the agonising wait.

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situation is really bad, many of our friends and relatives are still

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trapped, we haven't heard from any of them. The Turkish Prime Minister

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travelled to visit the injured in hospital. This is a Kurdish region

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and Mr Erdogan will be acutely aware of allegations the government

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has been slow to react. Terror of damaged buildings has driven

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thousands out into the cold, sleeping where they can. Tents,

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blankets and he does have at last begun to arrive. Family's -- and

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heaters. Families who found shelter may have to live like this for

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months. Funerals have already got under way. There are fears, with so

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many unaccounted for, the death toll will rise. Eastern Turkey is

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prone to earthquakes. There will be many questions over why so many new

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buildings collapsed. For now, the focus is on the people buried here,

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and trying to get them out. In the middle of so much tragedy, there

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are miracles. Rescue teams find a toddler who is alive.

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We had to be talking to one of our correspondents in Turkey -- we hope

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to be talking. In the meantime, let's see some of the other stories

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making headlines. At least 14 people have been wounded in a

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grenade attack on a nightclub in the Kenyan capital, Nairobi. It

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comes just a few days after the US embassy in Kenya warned of an

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imminent threat of terrorist attacks directed at prominent

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Kenyan facilities and areas popular with tourists. Thailand's prime

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minister has warned that flooding, which has hit the country, could

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last for another six weeks. At least five major industrial zones

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north of Bangkok have already been swamped. More than 350 people have

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died across the country so far. 10 days of mourning have been

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announced after the death of Pakistan's former first lady, Begum

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Nusrat Bhutto. She was the widow of Zulfikar Bhutto who founded the

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Pakistan People's Party. European leaders are still

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grappling with efforts to prevent the financial crisis from

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spiralling out of control even more. They say progress have been made

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but more work is needed before Wednesday, when a definitive plan

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is expected to be announced. The major issues of how to resolve

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Greece first past the post debt mountain and to determine the size

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and nature of the bail-out fund is still under debate.

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Late into the night once again, they met. Europe's leaders insist

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that in three more days, they will have a solution to the debt crisis.

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Germany's Angela Merkel and France's Nicolas Sarkozy are at the

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centre of the deal being drawn up. They have argued in recent days

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about the way forward. This weekend they publicly presented a united

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front. TRANSLATION: Will battling a problem that has existed for

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decades. It has nothing to do with the currency crisis but with a debt

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crisis. Wednesday will not be the last step in this matter. There are

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three big issues that need resolving, if Europe is to stand

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any chance of emerging from this crisis. Banks hold a lot of dodgy

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debt and need strengthening. There is agreement on that, at least. But

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there is only some movement on what to do about Greece's debt, and they

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are still considering two options on how to improve Europe's bail-out

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fund. As one source put it, the discussions on that bail-out fund,

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the EFSF, are still a mess. Coming to a workable economic solution is

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difficult enough but arriving at a political compromise that can also

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work is turning out to be nigh on impossible. The big, long term

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issue is getting Europe's stagnating economy growing again.

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On that, Europe's leaders believe they have put a workable strategy

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in place. They also pushed ahead with measures to improve the

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monitoring of eurozone government budgets. That is designed to ensure

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our debt levels never get this high again. But staving off the next

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crisis is one thing -- designed to ensure European debt levels never

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get this high again. Officials in charge of Tunisia's

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historic free and fair elections say the response from voters

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exceeded all expectations. The turnout amongst the 4 million

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people who registered to vote was more than 90%. Voters are now

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electing a new assembly which will rewrite the country's constitution

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and appoint an interim President. For the first time in a Tunisian

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election, there has been a sense of suspense. Gone are the transparent

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envelopes and ballot boxes to ensure voters chose the bright red

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cards of President Ben Ali's party. Instead, over 100 political parties

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to choose from. And a lot of emotion about having that choice.

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So, after the first real vote in the country, there was another

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first for Tunisia. A real count. An army of newly trained volunteers,

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working across the country, counting votes in the very rooms in

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which they were cast, in order to avoid an opportunity for fraud as

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they were transported, in trying to get the results out quickly. They

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were armed with the new guidelines. This, after all, is an election

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that has been set up from scratch in just nine months. Later on

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Monday, the Election Commission will announce the official results.

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Then, for the assembly, the real work of writing a constitution, and

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establishing Tunisia's own brand of democracy really begins.

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Still to come, they lived each other's lives for 12 years. We talk

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to two Russian girls to have just found out they were swapped at

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birth. Let's get the business news. Ben

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Thompson is here. Markets are reacting to all this eurozone

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crisis, the summit expected on Wednesday again, what have they

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been thinking? It has been a bit of a nervous rider for the markets,

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reacting to any bit of news that comes out of the eurozone. It seems

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there is confidence that a deal will be done ahead of this crucial

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summit on Wednesday. Some are calling it nervous and also

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cautious optimism, that it might happen. We have heard of this

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before. Now suggestions that time is running out. We are also hearing

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there are concerns about where this money comes from. There are lot of

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fears about where this money will come from for the stability fund,

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the EFSF, but also to recapitalise the banks themselves. While the

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leaders might be deciding they are going to be put in this money in, a

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lot of concerns about where it will come from, and one place it could

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come from are the emerging economies. I was told that the

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fast-growing economies like China have a role to play. Most of these

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emerging markets have a very decent level of debt, a low level of debt

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compared to the eurozone. So yes, they have money. But they are also

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interested by the business environment. Countries like China

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and Brazil, interested in funding a potentially risk free plan for

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Europe. These countries' export a lot of raw material to the eurozone.

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A eurozone in good shape is very important. We are hearing that

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Japan is finally getting back on its feet after what has been a

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tough ride in the wake of the earthquake and tsunami, that really

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did affect production. We're hearing that exports are rising

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2.8% to 78 billion. The importance of manufacturing, and everything

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that goes on in Japan, we see it in the UK. The knock-on effect it had

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on car-making, for example. One economist told us that the health

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of the Japanese economy is vital for the health of Asia as a whole.

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Japan is still the third largest economy in the world. We are also a

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very large purchase or as well as exporter. Our relationship with

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China is very firm, we are complementing each other. It gives

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a good buzz to the Asian area, the core of growth we are seeing

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throughout the world. The negativity we are seeing is from

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the eurozone and also in the United States. This is what those markets

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are doing. The FTSE 100, pretty flat on the day. France, Germany

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and Italy, reacting to what they hope will be the end of the euro

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debt crisis, or hopes that decisions will be made by Wednesday.

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Ongoing fears about where that money may come from. More details

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You are watching GMT from BBC World News. I am Zeinab Badawi, these are

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the top hat lines. The search for survivors continues

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in eastern Turkey after an earthquake killed more than 260

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people, and many more people remain trapped under the rubble. President

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Nicolas Sarkozy of France has angrily accused the British Prime

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Minister, David Cameron, of interfering in the eurozone crisis.

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He said he is sick of British Let's talk more about those

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eurozone discussions. EU leaders are due to meet again on Wednesday,

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to try to find a way forward on tackling the eurozone's massive

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debt crisis. Robert Peston has joined us. Let's pick up on Nicolas

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Sarkozy sounding quite angry with Britain, saying don't interfere,

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you are not in the eurozone crisis. How credible is that position?

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think it reflects the stress that all eurozone leaders are currently

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feeling. Because they are confronting a very serious crisis,

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in terms of the eurozone's finances, and they haven't got a solution yet.

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I slightly feel that David Cameron, the outburst, was more of a

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reflection of his general exasperation. The basic point is

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that the UK is not in the eurozone, and boasts how much better of it is

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not being in the eurozone, so you can understand why a eurozone

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member might say, this is our problem and unless you have

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something constructive to say, bolt off, as it were. The other side of

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that, there are three elements to the proposed rescue package. One of

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those elements is something that affects all European Union members.

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It is a strengthening of the banks. There will be 108 billion euros and

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new capital injected into the banks as a result of this rescue package.

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That element is not just for eurozone banks but banks throughout

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the European Union. For that reason, David Cameron has a legitimate

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reason to be at the meeting on Wednesday. But that aside, the real

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heart of the issue is what France and Germany want to do about

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tackling the eurozone crisis, and specifically about Greece boss debt,

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because French banks are very exposed to that -- Greece's debt.

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We have heard the concern about whether money is coming from for

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this rescue. In a fundamental sense, we know it is coming from Germany

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and France, there is nowhere else for it to come from. They are very

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worried about the scale of liability that would be heaped on

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their economy from the other really important element of the rescue

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plan, apart from strengthening the banks, which is expanding the size

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of this bail-out fund. The bail-out fund does not have enough money

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right now to deal with a problem that could easily arise if a

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country like Italy was unable to borrow on markets. Italy could

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easily be shut out of markets and therefore, to reassure the world's

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investors that it really wouldn't topple over, this bail-out fund has

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to have its resources multiplied by four or five times -- that it

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really wouldn't topple over. They are negotiating the technical

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details of how to do it, but it is amazingly difficult to come up with

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a plan that wouldn't be perceived of putting too much of a burden on

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front. The risk for France is in helping Italy, its own finances

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will be perceived to be weaker and it could lose its triple-A rating,

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and that would create a whole new series of headaches for the

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eurozone. You can see why, coming up with a solution is so difficult,

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because one answer tends to create Thank you very much. The world is

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watching to see how Libya develops now that Colonel Gaddafi is dead

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and the country has been declared liberated. The National

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Transitional Council has begun moving its base from Benghazi to

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the carpeted, Tripoli and has set itself a deadline of eight Munster

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hold its first phase of elections. It's still has to announce the fate

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of Colonel Gaddafi's body and there is growing unease that his corpse

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is still on display in his rata. -- Ms rata. Any word of when Colonel

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Gaddafi's body may be given up? There have been reports that it

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might be handed up -- over to his tribe. Absolutely. Those are the

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reports that if we are hearing as well. But nothing about the exact

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timings. It is now four days since Colonel Gaddafi died. His body is

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still lying in that cold storage unit as you say. Libyans continued

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to queue up to take mobile phone pictures of themselves with their

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former dictator's body. Many of them are having to hold crossover

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there Knowles's because of the smell. International concern

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continuing over how Colonel Gaddafi died. Was he executed? Was he

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caught in the crossfire as had been the official explanation? We have

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heard from a chief pathologist. He would be -- will be revealing the

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findings as soon as he gets his orders. Everybody is waiting for

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that. Inside Libya, talking to the Libyans on the streets, they are

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clearing up after the massive jubilant liberation celebrations

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yesterday afternoon and last night. They are more focused on the day

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today workings of the country. are in Tripoli. The National

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Transitional Council has begun moving towards the capital to fully

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established themselves as the interim authority. What is their

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next move? You are right. To fully establish themselves as the

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transitional authority. But who will be the figurehead? Those at

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the top of the transitional council up until now always said that after

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the formal declaration of liberation, they would stand down.

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And there would be discussions to create the new transitional council.

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We have heard from the chairman of the best the outgoing chairman

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today. He has said just now actually before speaking to you

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that they are expecting an announcement on that in a

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fortnight's time. And then in eight months' time, the election for a

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national council which is expected to draw up a constitution for the

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new Libya and which will be put to a referendum in the country. A long

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road ahead but Libyans say they are ready for it. Thank you very much.

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Still awaiting news on what will happen to Colonel Gaddafi's body.

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Next week, the United Nations will announce that the world's

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population has reached 7 billion. It is a little more than a decade

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since the global population stood at 6 billion. The number of people

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on the planet is rising by around 80 million every year. The United

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Nations is warning that rapid population growth is threatening

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many poorer countries, especially in sub-Saharan Africa. This report

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from Zambia in southern Africa. Its population is projected to triple

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by 2050. Welcome to the world. Like each and

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every one of us, these newborns help make up the 7 billion people

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on a our planet. Catherine has just given birth for the 4th time. She

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has a daughter. She does not have a name yet. Despite living in poverty,

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the parents want more children and they are ambitious for their future.

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Translation macro I want my daughter and my sons to become

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important people. Then they can help us. But I do not know if there

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will be enough people for them all to go through school. Big families

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are the norm. Six children is the average. It is causing a huge

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increase in numbers. Zambia's population is projected to triple

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by 2050 and keep rising. protects you against St eyes and

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best -- HIV. That is despite modern contraception methods. They are

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available without charge. family planning methods are free

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but how facilities, people have to travel to attend those services.

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They do not been learned enough. They would rather use the money not

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on travelling but to feed the family. This is a youthful country.

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Half the population is aged 16 or under. And more and more families

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are leaving the countryside to live in the capital. Population growth

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can be good for the economy. A young workforce are relatively few

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elderly. But the increase is so rapid the fear is it could

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perpetuate poverty. Zambia is barely able to feed 30 million

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people now so how will it cope with 100 million or more by the end of

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the century? And how do you encourage the young

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to have fewer children than their parents? Aid agencies say it is

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going to start with more rights for women. If you are married to a man

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and he wants 10 children, you have no say. Even when you know that

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they will not be looked after properly. We need to empower all

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men are so that they can make decisions about their lives. --

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Women. What things can the new government do for you? And that

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begins in the classroom. Attitudes are changing. These teenagers want

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Korea's first and motherhood second. I want to children. I want two

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children to reduce the population. Zambia is a big country. Three

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times the size of Britain. There is plenty of room. But the expanding

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population needs more schools, jobs, hospitals and homes if it is to be

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lifted from poverty to prosperity. You can follow our special series,

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7 billion and counting on the website. Over the next seven days,

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we will be travelling to seven different countries looking at the

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emerging issues as our global population reaches seven billion.

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Now a poignant story about two young girls and their families.

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Police in Russia are investigating after it emerged that two babies

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have been mixed up at birth 12 years ago. The two families

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involved have already lodged a civil case against the hospital.

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Family photos normally bring back hammy -- happy memories, but for

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this family, the past has turned into a nightmare. They have

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discovered that her 12-year-old daughter, the clerk -- the deal she

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thought she had given birth to, is not her child. My ex-husband

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refused to pay maintenance. I took him to court. But with the DNA

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tests, the results were a total surprise. Police believe that 12

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years ago, there had been a terrible mix-up at the local

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maternity hospital. That two babies had been given the wrong name tags

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and the wrong parents. At first, I thought it was a joke, then I could

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not stop crying. My whole world had turned upside down. If she had been

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given the wrong baby, then where was her real daughter? She was

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desperate to find out so she went to the police and they began to

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search for her biological child. Within weeks, they had found her,

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living just a few miles away, in this house. She had been brought up

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a devout Muslim. She thought her father was this man. When the

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priest told him about the mistake at the maternity hospital, he did

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not want to believe it. detectives showed me a photograph

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of the other girl. The one they said was my real daughter. When I

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saw her face, it was like seeing myself. The two families are

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getting to know each other but after a lifetime apart, it is not

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easy. I have tried to show motherly love but she does not accept it.

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When your own daughter looks at you like a stranger, that is so painful.

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The girls say they did not want to stop parents, they are just happy

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to have found each other. -- swapper. We were a bit shy at first

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but now we are the best of friends. They were born 15 minutes apart.

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