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25/10/2011

With Naga Munchetty. Live reports from Libya as Colonel Gaddafi's body is finally taken for burial. And claims that Syrian hospitals have become instruments of repression.


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After five days in a meat locker, Colonel Gaddafi's body is buried at

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dawn at a secret location. This is thought to be the convoy that took

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him to his final resting place. Libya a's new leader says that

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proper respect were paid at the funeral. The -- Libya's new leaders.

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Welcome to GMT. Also when the programme, a leading charity claims

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that Syrian protesters face intimidation, even in hospital. We

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speak to a doctor who says he has witnessed at first hand.

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And a miraculous story of survival. A tiny baby is called a live from

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the rubble of Sunday's earthquake in eastern Turkey. -- pulled alive.

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It is 12:30pm London, 7:30pm in New York and 1:30pm in the afternoon in

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Libya if, where the body of Colonel Gaddafi has finally been buried.

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The country's new authorities were arguing over what to do next and

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the former leader's body was put on display in Misrata where hundreds

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queued to see it. Gabriel Gatehouse is in Misrata. At last, he has been

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buried. One next? -- what next? They really have drawn a line now

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are putting his body into the ground. By laying his body to rest,

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they're hoping to lay to rest some ghosts here. They're hoping to move

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forward to probably a harder task of rebuilding this country after 42

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years of rule by one man and one man alone. There is a more subdued

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atmosphere in his right to today than there has been in the first

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three a four days after his capture. -- in Misrata. We saw anarchic

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celebrations, people racing through the streets, driving at breakneck

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speeds, letting off fireworks, shooting into the air. That seems

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to have ended now. With the burial of Kroll Gaddafi, people are

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turning soberly towards the business of getting life back to

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normal. -- Colonel Gaddafi. When it came to the discussions about what

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to do with Colonel Gaddafi's body, there were many opinions. Moving

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forward, the international community and the NCC wants to show

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that it is moving forward with a unified purpose. -- NTC. I think

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the discussions we saw, the wrangling over the body, that threw

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into question who was in charge here in Libya. It seemed that the

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fighters who had captured Colonel Gaddafi wanted one thing while the

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politicians in Benghazi, who are supposed to be running this country,

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wanted something else. It was not entirely clear what the focus of

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contention was. I think it was more power politics behind the scene,

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positioning ahead of the elections that we are expecting to see in

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eight months' time, all surrounded by the symbolic war trophy of

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Colonel Gaddafi's body. I think we will see more of that in the months

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to come and in a sense, some will say that is normal, that is OK,

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that is what you do in a democracy. But the worry is that this is a

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country with no experience of political pluralism. When you

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consider that this is a country awash with guns, some people are

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worried about how this will play out. It will certainly be

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interesting. In miraculous story. A 14 day-old

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baby has been brought out alive from the rubble of Sunday's

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earthquake in Turkey. The discovery has fuelled hope among rescue

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workers desperately searching for hundreds of missing people. The

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official death toll has reached 370. 1300 are reported injured.

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Amid the despair and devastation, there are still moments of joy in

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this town. A two-week-old baby, pulled from the rubble. They had

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known she was there but not that she was alive. Her parents are

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thought to be alive also, although trapped. TRANSLATION: Thank God.

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After 48 hours, a baby is alive. I hope the others will come out alive,

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too. Who else is there? My mother, my aunt and my brother. There are

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fewer survivors now. All they can do is keep cutting, breaking down

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the concrete. With a constant audience of townspeople, some of

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them with family members still under the rubble. TRANSLATION: We

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have been waiting here all night. They have been used in small

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pockets. His daughter and son-in- law are buried. He has glimpsed

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scraps of their clothing. The collapse of so many buildings in

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one town has, inevitably, raised questions about how well they were

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built. Tens of thousands of people have lost their homes. There cold

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and hungry. The Turkish government has launched a huge relief

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operation, but it is sometimes pretty chaotic. Life in this town

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has been reduced to a scramble for bread and blankets.

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Tim Willcox is in Ercis. You heard that report, we have heard this

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story of this baby being brought from the rubble. I see the rescue

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workers behind you. Surely this must have generated hope. It has.

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It has given them a boost, because of a night when we have been

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watching them, all they have been doing is bringing down bodies. This

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two-week-old baby, born one month premature, so remarkable survival

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story. She seems to be in good condition and is now in hospital.

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The rescue teams are concentrating on the mother and grandmother. The

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only potential tragic twist to this one family's survival story could

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be that they have not been able to speak to the father, trapped inside

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the building as well. They spoke to him a few errors ago but have not

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been able to recently and there are concerns about him. -- a few hours

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ago. If you look at the street, there is this building where the

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baby was found. 22 families live here, under maybe 40 or 50 people

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trapped. -- and there may be 40 or 50 people trapped. The rescue work

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has to continue painstakingly. Alongside the building, a block of

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flats, completely intact, with no physical damage at all. One of the

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big questions for the people of this town, after the dead and

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survivors had been found, how are they going to clamp down on shoddy

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building? How were they going to ensure that building regulations in

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an earthquake zone are adhere too, because if they are not, these are

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the tragic consequences. Thank you very much. Some of the

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other stories making headlines around the world today. Tunisia's

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Islamic party, Ennahda, has claimed victory in the country's first

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democratic elections and pledged to create a multi-party secular

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democracy. Early indications are that they have won most of the

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votes in the poll for an assembly that will draft a new constitution.

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Official results are expected later. The United Nations Secretary

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General, Ban Ki-Moon says he is worried about the implications for

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the UN's cultural agency UNESCO if a Palestinian request for full

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membership is granted. Acceptance could lead to the loss of funding

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from the United States. The Palestinian Authority is home to

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pilgrimage sites like Bethlehem's Church of the Nativity, revered as

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the birthplace of Jesus. The United States and North Korea

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have completed a first day of talks in Geneva aimed at restarting

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negotiations over North Korea's nuclear programme. Negotiations

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broke down in 2009. One month later, North Korea tested a second nuclear

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weapon leading to an increase in tension across the Korean peninsula.

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Interest in these talks is huge. After all, the stakes are high.

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North Korea has already tested two nuclear weapons. Some believe it is

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preparing to test a third. Both the US and North Korea say that they

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want to resume formal negotiations on ending Pyongyang's nuclear

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programme. But they disagree on how. North Korea has suggested they

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restart without preconditions. The United States wants a firm

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commitment from Pyongyang to disarm before sitting down at the

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negotiating table. That is why these talks are being described

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modestly as exploratory. Nevertheless, the first few hours

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seem to have been at least friendly. The US and North Korean delegations

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met this morning for two hours. We had a coffee break and initial

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presentations. I think these were used for presentations. The fact

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that the two sites are talking is regarded as a big improvement on

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the dark days of 2009, when a deal to disarm North Korea broke down.

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Just one month later, Pyongyang tested its second nuclear weapon,

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and then launched artillery shells along its disputed border with

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South Korea. Recently, there has been something of a diplomatic fall.

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The North and South Korean foreign ministers met in July for the first

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time in three years. -- four. Meanwhile, China, key player in any

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formal agreement has sent its vice- premier to Pyongyang to encourage

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North Korea to negotiate. The Geneva talks continue on Tuesday.

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Andy Oppenheimer is a defence consultant and editor of chemical

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and biological warfare. He is in our studio. This is a case of

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brinkmanship when it comes to these talks. They are very tense, and

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that is not going to change, is it? Absolutely right. It seems like we

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have been here before. There is a dance going on with the stop-start,

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similar to Iran, but not quite the same, with North Korea. They want

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to exact all sorts of conditions from the West and from the region,

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and they would use of the Renaissance nuclear programmes, and

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there are two now, uranium as well as plutonium, in order to try to

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exert some muscle on their neighbours and on the US. But China

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is keeping them within some sort of holding position, because they have

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a strong vested interest in keeping North Korea at bay. How much

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patience is their internationally to come to some sort of agreement?

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How much willingness or determination is there to crack a

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deal? I think under the new administration, the Alabama

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administration, there is far more desire to do a diplomatic deal with

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North Korea. -- Obama administration. It is really a "You

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do this and we will do that". It just goes on. They want to stop

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them doing tests of missiles and of these kind of rudimentary nuclear

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weapons that they have. They want them to stop developing the uranium

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plant and also to, basically, just give up the plutonium stocks as

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well. It is dealing with an unusual country which does not really deal

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in the same way as the rest of the world. And so it's a case of, in

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terms of getting the talks going again, if we could get the talks

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going again, it could all stall once again. It really depends on, I

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suppose, the sort of conditions occurring inside the country. It is

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very poor and it has kept going because of China. It has had helps

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from Russia in terms of its nuclear programme in the past. -- help from

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Russia. Obviously, it wants to show that it can exert a particular kind

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of dominance over the region but I like in North Korea to a noisy

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neighbour. You complain to the council about them being a nuisance

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and the council comes round and declares a sort of anti-social

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behaviour order on them, and then three weeks later when everything's

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quietened down, they just start off again. It seems a bit like that.

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This has been going on now since 2002. They still haven't really

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prove themselves as a real nuclear weapon state, but I must hasten to

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add that one of the big problems with North Korea is proliferation.

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They proliferate their technologies and they have strong links with

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Iran, and this is one of the big problems of trading around the

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world under all sorts of false manifests and third-party shipments

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and all the rest of it, a fading the rules, which the United States

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is erecting all kinds of schemes to protect the ports around the world,

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to monitor what is going on, and sees shipments on the high seas.

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This has been going on for six or seven or eight years. Andy

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Oppenheimer, thank you for your thoughts. We will keep a close eye

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on these talks. Still to come: Concern about a lack

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of fresh water in one of the driest countries in the Middle East. How

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All the business news now. BP, one we're keeping an eye on. This is in

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the wake of the Gulf of Mexico oil spill. Expectations weren't high

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about what BP would report. We've heard that third quarter profits

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have come in at $5.1 billion, up from �1.85 on the same period last

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year. Markets had been expecting profits to fall around 11 fers.

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We've heard from the boss of BP today, Bob Dudley. He is marking

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this as a big turning point for the firm. He is outlining the plans

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that they're selling off more assets, from $30 million to $45 to

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pay compensation and pay out for claims. Many are saying this is a

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good news day. It's drawn a line under the worst of this affair.

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We've heard from a lot of analysts who say this is now the best way to

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draw a line under the worst of the oil disaster in the Gulf of Mexico.

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Their recent agreement with Anadarko petroleum, means that they

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were able to claw back about $4 billion in costs. So in doing so,

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they believe they'll be able to end payments into the oil spill trust

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fund a year ahead of schedule. news day for BP. We've been hearing

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from the boss throughout the day, very keen to draw a line under the

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worst of this. Whenever I talk about banks, you can imagine, it's

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been traumatic over the past few months, so the results are coming

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through. UBS was a good result earlier today. Deutsche has

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reported. Can it be two good results in one day from European

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banks? The UBS story, despite the rogue trader scandal, profits there

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better than many expected. It's Deutsche we're keeping an eye on.

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It's Germany's biggest bank. What it does represents the sentiments

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of German banks to the eurozone. The boss telling us it's been the

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most difficult trading period for the bank since the end of 2008.

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We've heard from a whole raft of people today about that. This is

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what one analyst had to say. They took the step of buying the

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Deutsche Pos bank, which required a rights issue of about 13 billion

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euros. A couple of figures that stick out, the provisions for

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credit losses are up from 463 million euros from 382, to a total

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for the nine months of 1.3 billion. I suspect a fair old bit of that is

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Greece. Well, of course, all eyes are on the eurozone now about what

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happened before the big crucial EU summit. Fingers crossed. Ben,

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thanks. We want to hear what you think. Get in touch: The best way

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is to go to the website bbc.co.uk/GMT.

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This is GMT from BBC World News. I'm Naga Munchetty. The headlines

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this hour: The body of former Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi has

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been take ton a secret location and buried, so say NTC officials. As

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the search for survivors of Sunday's earthquake continues in

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eastern Turkey, a two weekend -- week old baby is found alive in the

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rubble. Human rights campaigners say many

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Syrians, injured in anti-government protests, are too afraid to go to

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hospitals, this after some reports that many have been arrested there

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or tortured. Amnesty International says it has eyewitness accounts of

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wounded people being removed from government hospitals and of medical

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workers, who treated them, being arrested and tortured. Cilina

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Nasser is Middle East and north African researcher at Amnesty

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International. She spoke of how prevalent the fear is.

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information we got is from health professionals working in the

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government-run hospitals as well as residents specifically in Homs. The

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reason for that is wounded people, when they go to the hospitals, it's

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a way, the hospitals is used to, hospitals are used to identify who

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is opposed to the government, rather than provide the necessary

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treatment. So, the Ministry of Health has instructed hospitals to

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report wounded persons to the authorities. This means that they

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are putting wounded persons at risk of arrest and torture. I can now

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speak to Dr Ahmad who says he witnessed ill treatment bit Syrian

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forces in his nopt Homs. He left the country in July this year in

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Saudi Arabia and lives in Riyadh. Thank you very much for speaking to

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me today. Describe to me what protesters are afraid of, when it

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comes to the fact if they're injured in demonstrations, what are

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they afraid of might happen in these hospitals? Yeah, a patient

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cannot go to the hospital, because they are afraid from arresting them

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inside government hospitals. Sorry, could you explain in a little more

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detail, any examples that you have seen. I will give you two examples:

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One, a 14 years old boy was injured. Then a male nurse was hitting him.

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I said you have to stop. Our job is to treat them, not to punish them.

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I told the manager of the hospital about the accident and he didn't

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punish him. Also this nurse told the security forces about that I am

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supporting the demonstration against the regime. That's an

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example. What happened when the authorities were told that you were

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supporting or you were an ti regime? I am not, I am just helping

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people and I am trying to treat them, because that's my job only. I

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have no connection with no-one. What are the conditions like in the

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hospitals now? Where should protesters go, if they're afraid of

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government hospitals? Some injured people went to a special hospitals

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outside government hospitals, but also, they got problems. Once I was

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in an operation room in a hospital, suddenly three men, three forces

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men entered the operation room with their weapons, with no respect for

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the operation. They took details of the patient. We went out. My

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friends were so confused about this situation. Some people they

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bleeding until they die because they're afraid to go hospitals or

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they go to some houses and they call some doctors to help them

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there. In hospitals outside any hospital. You have spoken about how

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protesters are treated. How are doctors and nurses treated by the

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authorities? Yeah, some nurses hitting patients, talking to them

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with very, very bad words. But are there any threats to doctors and

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nurses from the authorities? Excuse me? Are there any threats to the

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safety of doctors and nurses from the authorities? I didn't

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understand that question. OK. I'm sorry. We are out of time. Dr Ahmad

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thank you so much for giving us your experiences. It's good to hear

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from you. You're welcome. Now the world's population has

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officially passed the seven billion mark. The BBC has a series now,

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special reports from seven countries in seven continents.

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Jordan in s one country which in the words of its own government, is

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facing a crisis, due to its rapidly rising population. Also of concern

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is the lack of fresh water. As one of the dryest countries in the

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Middle East its already depleted supply is dangerous low.

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Against the odds he farms this arid land, where his crops lack much of

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the water they need. With no other supply, the family buys their water

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from a private company. But the price keeps on rising and business

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is drying up. TRANSLATION: Some people depend on

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farming F they stop, they won't be able to support their families. We

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have high levels of unemployment. We are a poor country. The older

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generations also want to keep alive the traditions of farming. They

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won't give it up easily. Like others in Jordan, he depends

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on the endless flow of lorries, which transport this country's

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liquid gold. This is private water. Commercially owned wells have

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become the source for many businesses and homes. We are living

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in a water crisis. We have the royal committee on water and that

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committee developed the water strategy for the country. If that

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strategy is implemented, we will be in a few years, well off. But

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unless that strategy is implemented, the crisis will intensify and the

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situation will be more severe in the country. Jordan's population,

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with its steady flow of refugees, is using ever more of this vital

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resource. Despite government initiatives to extract new

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resources, a bad situation is getting even worse. Farming in this

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desert-like landscape has always been a challenge, but as water

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becomes more scarce, and is shared by more people, the hieflloods of

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farmers here will only become -- livelihoods of farmers will only

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become more uncertain. There used to be sheep, but now this hut full

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of chickens, along with a few rabbits are only animals left. He

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says the government should supply what is his farm's lifeblood. For

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now, though, he has no plans to leave this troubled way of life in

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this inhospitalable land. You can follow our special series,

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seven billion and counting, online. All this week we're travelling to

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seven different countries looking at seven different people to

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explore the emerging issues as our global population has reached the

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seven billion mark. We're come together end of GMT.

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Before we go, let me remind you of this miraculous story, amid a scene

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of devastation. A two week old baby has been pulled alive from the

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With Naga Munchetty. Live reports from Libya as Colonel Gaddafi's body is finally taken for burial. Claims that Syrian hospitals have become instruments of repression where injured protestors face violence and intimidation. And over 48 hours after Turkey's earthquake, a tiny baby is pulled alive from the rubble.


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