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-It's a week for young people on S4C -- Dyma Fi week.	0:00:00	0:00:04
-We're in the Senedd in Cardiff Bay -for a special edition of Hacio.	0:00:04	0:00:10
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-Over the past few weeks, Hacio -has travelled all over Wales...	0:00:25	0:00:29
-..to hear the topics that worry -the young people of Wales.	0:00:29	0:00:33
-One of those was the war in Syria...	0:00:34	0:00:36
-..and Britain's obligations -towards refugees.	0:00:36	0:00:39
-But after the massacre in Paris -on Friday...	0:00:39	0:00:42
-..we'll be asking -what Britain should do now.	0:00:42	0:00:46
-While there's a special week -for young people on S4C...	0:00:47	0:00:52
-..we'll be asking -young people's views on the channel.	0:00:52	0:00:56
-I don't watch it a lot -because it isn't relevant.	0:00:56	0:01:00
-We'll also be discussing drugs and -the petition to legalize cannabis.	0:01:01	0:01:05
-Legalizing and controlling drugs...	0:01:06	0:01:09
-..would make it much safer for users -compared to black market dealers.	0:01:09	0:01:14
-To finish, -the state of sex education in Wales.	0:01:15	0:01:19
-For the sake of man, and woman...	0:01:20	0:01:22
-..sex education in Wales -needs to be revolutionized - now.	0:01:23	0:01:26
-Those are the subjects -we'll focus on tonight.	0:01:27	0:01:31
-I'm joined in the Senedd...	0:01:34	0:01:36
-..by some of the sixth formers -who had their say on our tour.	0:01:37	0:01:41
-From Carmarthen to Caernarfon, they -will be giving their views tonight.	0:01:41	0:01:45
-First, Lois Angharad -looks back on IS's attacks on Paris.	0:01:48	0:01:54
-Deuxieme explosion -au Stade de France!	0:01:57	0:02:00
-Friday the 13th.	0:02:02	0:02:04
-A massacre on the streets of Paris.	0:02:05	0:02:07
-EXPLOSION	0:02:10	0:02:11
-As Germany played France -at Stade de France...	0:02:12	0:02:14
-..three suicide bombers -detonated their explosives outside.	0:02:15	0:02:19
-On the streets of Paris, -armed men fired mercilessly...	0:02:21	0:02:25
-..at innocent people -in bars and restaurants.	0:02:25	0:02:28
-GUNSHOTS	0:02:33	0:02:34
-The deadliest attack -happened at the Bataclan.	0:02:36	0:02:40
-IS terrorists targeted the crowd...	0:02:40	0:02:43
-..watching the US rock band -Eagles of Death Metal.	0:02:43	0:02:46
-The siege ended when armed police -stormed the hall...	0:02:50	0:02:54
-..and three of the terrorists -blew themselves up.	0:02:54	0:02:57
-In claiming responsibility -for the massacre...	0:02:57	0:03:01
-..IS blames France for supporting -air attacks on them in Syria.	0:03:01	0:03:05
-According to the French President, -Francois Hollande...	0:03:05	0:03:09
-..the Islamic State's attacks -is an act or war.	0:03:09	0:03:12
-Yesterday's events in Paris and in -Saint-Denis near Stade de France...	0:03:13	0:03:20
-..was an act of war.	0:03:20	0:03:23
-Faced with a war, our country -must make appropriate decisions.	0:03:24	0:03:30
-As the world mourned -and showed support to France...	0:03:31	0:03:35
-..questions are being asked.	0:03:35	0:03:37
-Is it time for Britain -to intervene militarily in Syria?	0:03:38	0:03:42
-How do we tackle the extremists -who live in large European cities?	0:03:42	0:03:47
-Where and when -will the terrorists strike next?	0:03:47	0:03:51
-Harrowing scenes of the attacks -on Paris last Friday.	0:03:56	0:04:01
-The big question is, -where does this leave us in Britain?	0:04:01	0:04:05
-How should we respond?	0:04:05	0:04:07
-I think Britain...	0:04:07	0:04:10
-..other European countries -and America perhaps...	0:04:10	0:04:14
-..should join forces...	0:04:14	0:04:16
-..and start a war.	0:04:16	0:04:18
-I think we should go to war.	0:04:18	0:04:20
-Has it shaken you -seeing this happen so close to home?	0:04:20	0:04:23
-Yes.	0:04:23	0:04:24
-It's enough for us -to support the air attacks.	0:04:25	0:04:27
-I think we have to do something.	0:04:28	0:04:30
-Robert, do you agree?	0:04:30	0:04:31
-Is now the time to respond or should -we be cautious despite the horrors?	0:04:31	0:04:36
-We need to be cautious...	0:04:36	0:04:38
-..because military intervention is -what caused this in the first place.	0:04:38	0:04:42
-I don't think military intervention -is the way forward.	0:04:43	0:04:47
-I think Britain and other European -countries should stay neutral.	0:04:47	0:04:51
-How can we stay neutral?	0:04:52	0:04:53
-There have been deaths and attacks.	0:04:53	0:04:56
-How can we stay neutral -in such an awful situation as this?	0:04:56	0:05:00
-It sounds difficult to do -but a lot of it is a chain reaction.	0:05:01	0:05:06
-One thing leads to another.	0:05:06	0:05:08
-Even if something -shakes you to your core...	0:05:08	0:05:12
-..it needs to stop now as -it'll just lead to something else.	0:05:13	0:05:16
-Are we playing into terrorists' -hands if we respond militarily?	0:05:16	0:05:21
-I think it would -because it's what they want.	0:05:21	0:05:24
-They want to prove -that all humans are just like them.	0:05:25	0:05:28
-By going to war, -we prove we're just as barbaric.	0:05:28	0:05:32
-I don't think it's right -to sit back and watch this happen...	0:05:33	0:05:37
-..all over the world.	0:05:37	0:05:38
-What has shaken people -is that this happened in Paris...	0:05:39	0:05:42
-..not on the other side -of the world.	0:05:43	0:05:45
-I could get there -by tomorrow morning.	0:05:45	0:05:48
-We need to be cautious -and consider what happens next.	0:05:48	0:05:54
-We can't let this continue...	0:05:54	0:05:56
-..but do we really -want the risk of a nuclear war...	0:05:56	0:05:59
-..where we could all die?	0:05:59	0:06:01
-What do you think?	0:06:01	0:06:03
-Is this an overreaction because -we've been emotionally affected?	0:06:03	0:06:08
-Should we take a step back -or do you think we should retaliate?	0:06:08	0:06:11
-We should retaliate.	0:06:12	0:06:13
-They're extremists.	0:06:13	0:06:15
-If Britain, America and -every other country in the world...	0:06:16	0:06:19
-..targets this small group -of extremists...	0:06:20	0:06:22
-..I don't think -it would result in a world war.	0:06:22	0:06:25
-OK.	0:06:25	0:06:26
-How do you go about that?	0:06:27	0:06:28
-Do you think -we should take military action?	0:06:29	0:06:31
-I think we do need to be cautious.	0:06:32	0:06:34
-Things like this happen -all over the world every week...	0:06:34	0:06:38
-..but because it's so close to us, -it's hit so many of us...	0:06:38	0:06:44
-..and made us realize that, -as it's so close, it'll affect us.	0:06:44	0:06:49
-An interesting point.	0:06:50	0:06:52
-Why do we commiserate so much...	0:06:52	0:06:54
-..and why have we been shaken -so much by events in Paris...	0:06:54	0:06:57
-..when IS has been responsible for -the deaths of tens of thousands...	0:06:58	0:07:02
-..in Syria as well as in Lebanon -the day before?	0:07:02	0:07:05
-Why are we shaken so much -by events in Paris...	0:07:05	0:07:08
-..compared to all the deaths that -have happened due to the fighting?	0:07:08	0:07:12
-I think people are making -more of a fuss as it's so close.	0:07:12	0:07:16
-If this had happened in Syria -or further from home...	0:07:16	0:07:19
-..people wouldn't take -so much notice.	0:07:19	0:07:22
-People responded to this more -as they're worried about themselves.	0:07:22	0:07:26
-You think -we should put this into context...	0:07:26	0:07:29
-..rather than responding immediately -because it happened in Paris.	0:07:29	0:07:33
-We have to be cautious -but also consider what IS has done.	0:07:33	0:07:37
-There was a suicide bomber -in Lebanon.	0:07:37	0:07:41
-The media only seem to publish -the stories they want.	0:07:41	0:07:46
-I don't think -they look at the full picture.	0:07:46	0:07:49
-It's important to look -at everything that's happened.	0:07:49	0:07:52
-Everything that IS has done.	0:07:52	0:07:54
-Cameron said -that we needed to be vigilant.	0:07:54	0:08:00
-"Remain vigilant," he said.	0:08:00	0:08:02
-Are you worried -that by saying that...	0:08:02	0:08:05
-..it causes people -to be suspicious of others...	0:08:05	0:08:09
-..and to fear everyone -who's different?	0:08:09	0:08:11
-Definitely.	0:08:12	0:08:13
-The events over the weekend -were horrific.	0:08:13	0:08:16
-People -might be questioning each other.	0:08:16	0:08:19
-No-one's sure who's who -and what's what.	0:08:19	0:08:21
-I don't think -we should respond militarily.	0:08:22	0:08:25
-Once you start bombing and shooting, -it becomes like a ping-pong game.	0:08:25	0:08:29
-There'll be revenge attacks.	0:08:30	0:08:31
-It'll lead to World War III -and we certainly don't want that.	0:08:32	0:08:36
-This comes on the tail of what -Britain should do about refugees.	0:08:36	0:08:40
-The group from Wrexham.	0:08:41	0:08:43
-Where do you stand on this?	0:08:44	0:08:45
-A few weeks ago, -a man with a Wrexham address...	0:08:45	0:08:48
-..was jailed for plotting -to supply arms to terrorists.	0:08:49	0:08:53
-Is it time -we did something about this?	0:08:53	0:08:56
-With something like that -happening so close to home...	0:08:56	0:09:00
-..it made us more scared.	0:09:01	0:09:04
-But we have to remember -not to discriminate.	0:09:05	0:09:09
-We've been born -in a safe and democratic country.	0:09:09	0:09:14
-We're no different to people -who want to live in a safe country.	0:09:14	0:09:18
-We should let them do that.	0:09:18	0:09:19
-Do we have to let some in or do we -protect our own people first?	0:09:20	0:09:24
-I think we should let some in.	0:09:24	0:09:26
-We should ensure...	0:09:27	0:09:28
-..there's a way of checking -that they really are refugees.	0:09:28	0:09:32
-That sounds awful but it gives the -people already here ease of mind.	0:09:33	0:09:37
-There'd be less ill feeling -toward people who do come in.	0:09:37	0:09:41
-That would improve the situation.	0:09:42	0:09:44
-That would improve the situation. - -Can that be done?	0:09:44	0:09:45
-Can you check if someone is -a refugee or a possible terrorist?	0:09:46	0:09:50
-It's hard, but it's something -we have to do.	0:09:50	0:09:53
-We'll finish the discussion -where we started.	0:09:53	0:09:56
-What's your view on refugees?	0:09:57	0:10:00
-Should we remember our humanitarian -obligations and accept refugees?	0:10:00	0:10:05
-Doing our bit, or is that risky?	0:10:05	0:10:07
-Everyone might hate me for this but -I don't think we should let them in.	0:10:07	0:10:12
-We should help them.	0:10:13	0:10:18
-I feel they'd take over our lands -in years to come.	0:10:19	0:10:22
-You agree.	0:10:23	0:10:24
-I agree.	0:10:25	0:10:26
-If they come in...	0:10:26	0:10:29
-There aren't many jobs around.	0:10:29	0:10:33
-They'd take our jobs.	0:10:33	0:10:34
-A lot of money -would be spent on them.	0:10:35	0:10:38
-Do we have that money to spend?	0:10:38	0:10:41
-The NHS needs to be improved. -We don't have the money.	0:10:41	0:10:45
-Aren't our humanitarian obligations -more important than money?	0:10:45	0:10:49
-No, I don't think so.	0:10:49	0:10:51
-It isn't our fault -that their country is poor.	0:10:51	0:10:54
-I feel that there's a border -and it shouldn't be crossed.	0:10:54	0:10:58
-I don't think we should let them in.	0:10:58	0:11:00
-That's what ISIS wants. -They want us to not let them in.	0:11:00	0:11:05
-They want us -to become more like them.	0:11:05	0:11:08
-They want us to lose our morality.	0:11:08	0:11:11
-It's hard - you don't want these -things to happen in your country.	0:11:11	0:11:15
-You don't want it -to happen anywhere...	0:11:15	0:11:18
-..but especially so close to home.	0:11:18	0:11:20
-I feel that everything we do -is exactly what they want us to do.	0:11:22	0:11:28
-We need to step back -and think if we were terrorists...	0:11:28	0:11:33
-..what would they want us to do?	0:11:33	0:11:36
-We need to do the exact opposite.	0:11:36	0:11:38
-We need to hit them where it hurts, -which they won't expect.	0:11:38	0:11:42
-Thank you.	0:11:42	0:11:44
-It's a complex subject and I'm sure -the discussion will continue...	0:11:44	0:11:48
-..but that's it for now.	0:11:48	0:11:50
-After the break, -we discuss S4C's fragile future.	0:11:50	0:11:54
-Ian Jones, the channel's Chief -Executive, will answer complaints.	0:11:55	0:11:58
-We'll also have the views -of these people.	0:11:59	0:12:01
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-Welcome back.	0:12:09	0:12:10
-Next, we'll be discussing S4C.	0:12:10	0:12:12
-There are big worries -about S4C's future at present.	0:12:13	0:12:16
-There are financial cuts -on the horizon.	0:12:16	0:12:18
-What is the channel's worth by now?	0:12:19	0:12:21
-I asked young people's views -on our school tour...	0:12:21	0:12:24
-..before taking your views -to the boss...	0:12:24	0:12:26
-..the Chief Executive, Ian Jones.	0:12:27	0:12:29
-Attracting young people -to television is tough.	0:12:31	0:12:33
-It's a particular challenge -for S4C...	0:12:34	0:12:36
-..after speaking to people -on the Hacio'n Holi tour.	0:12:37	0:12:40
-I don't watch it a lot -because it isn't relevant.	0:12:41	0:12:45
-The reality TV programmes on S4C -like Fferm Ffactor...	0:12:46	0:12:50
-..who watches them?	0:12:50	0:12:52
-Farmers. That's it.	0:12:53	0:12:54
-Stuff that's made -specifically for us like Y Lle...	0:12:54	0:12:57
-..I don't think -it's totally relevant to us.	0:12:57	0:13:00
-I don't think it's in touch -with young people.	0:13:01	0:13:05
-It's a good thing on paper.	0:13:06	0:13:08
-It doesn't work for all ages -particularly our age group.	0:13:08	0:13:13
-Hello, how are you?	0:13:17	0:13:19
-Ian Jones has been the channel's -Chief Executive since January 2012.	0:13:20	0:13:24
-What does he have to say -about the situation?	0:13:24	0:13:27
-We've been -speaking to young Welsh people...	0:13:28	0:13:31
-..at some of the best Welsh schools -in the country.	0:13:32	0:13:35
-Most young people don't watch S4C. -What's going wrong?	0:13:35	0:13:39
-If we go back in history -to when S4C was launched...	0:13:39	0:13:42
-..there were four -television channels.	0:13:42	0:13:45
-There wasn't much choice.	0:13:45	0:13:47
-These days, there are hundreds -of channels and platforms.	0:13:47	0:13:51
-That isn't an excuse.	0:13:51	0:13:53
-For a channel like S4C...	0:13:53	0:13:55
-..and for BBC One, -which is a general channel...	0:13:55	0:13:58
-..we have to provide something -for everyone.	0:13:59	0:14:01
-That means young people -aren't going to watch all the time.	0:14:01	0:14:05
-There is provision for young people.	0:14:05	0:14:08
-I would also expect that -young people watch Pobol Y Cwm...	0:14:08	0:14:12
-..Rownd a Rownd, EastEnders.	0:14:12	0:14:14
-From going to these schools, -there is huge potential.	0:14:15	0:14:18
-Everyone is supportive in principal -but they don't watch.	0:14:18	0:14:21
-We have to ensure we reach -those people in the first place...	0:14:22	0:14:25
-..through digital media, -Facebook and Twitter.	0:14:26	0:14:30
-A year ago, -I commissioned a report...	0:14:30	0:14:32
-..on how we communicate -with our audience.	0:14:33	0:14:35
-The report told us -we have to change our marketing.	0:14:35	0:14:40
-This isn't new. -We knew that when you took the job.	0:14:41	0:14:44
-The report is important.	0:14:44	0:14:46
-The report tells us we need -a conversation with young people.	0:14:47	0:14:50
-A two-way conversation.	0:14:50	0:14:52
-I think they need -to get more hype around it.	0:14:54	0:14:57
-A lot of people are familiar...	0:14:57	0:14:59
-..with programmes -like The Valleys and Geordie Shore.	0:14:59	0:15:02
-Those programmes on MTV -target young people.	0:15:02	0:15:05
-There's no reality TV on S4C -for people my age.	0:15:05	0:15:09
-They should ask us what we want -instead of...	0:15:10	0:15:14
-Maybe they do, I don't know.	0:15:14	0:15:16
-Maybe they guess what we want.	0:15:17	0:15:19
-It isn't working.	0:15:19	0:15:21
-I think S4C needs more guts.	0:15:21	0:15:25
-This might offend a lot of people.	0:15:25	0:15:27
-Pobol Y Cwm for instance.	0:15:27	0:15:29
-They should scrap it and make a -new soap opera that's more modern...	0:15:29	0:15:33
-..and covers topics -that's closer to young people.	0:15:33	0:15:37
-We've been across Wales gathering -comments from young people.	0:15:40	0:15:43
-I wanted to pass some of those on.	0:15:43	0:15:45
-Esyllt from Bala -had the impression...	0:15:46	0:15:49
-..that S4C guessed what young people -wanted to watch and got it wrong.	0:15:49	0:15:54
-How much -do you talk to young people?	0:15:54	0:15:57
-At the moment, -we're holding public meetings...	0:15:57	0:16:00
-..where we get the opinions -of people of all ages...	0:16:00	0:16:03
-..including young people.	0:16:04	0:16:05
-We have ambassadors, -something we set up a year ago...	0:16:05	0:16:09
-..in different schools.	0:16:10	0:16:12
-There are now 18 across Wales.	0:16:12	0:16:15
-That's so we can get input -and reaction from young people.	0:16:15	0:16:19
-We'll be announcing -in the next few weeks...	0:16:19	0:16:23
-..that we're holding a conference...	0:16:23	0:16:26
-..after Christmas for young people.	0:16:26	0:16:29
-We're inviting young people -to discuss our current provision.	0:16:29	0:16:35
-What's missing? What more -should we be doing for young people?	0:16:35	0:16:39
-We'll also be sharing the financial -restrictions and resources we have.	0:16:39	0:16:44
-One suggestion we had -from Luke in Llanelli was to ask...	0:16:44	0:16:47
-..why S4C -don't have reality programmes...	0:16:47	0:16:50
-..like Geordie Shore -and The Valleys.	0:16:50	0:16:54
-Research was done recently, -a lot of focus groups across Wales.	0:16:55	0:17:01
-What's come out of that -is that we need more comedy.	0:17:02	0:17:06
-We need more reality programmes...	0:17:06	0:17:08
-..and more entertainment -for young people.	0:17:08	0:17:11
-We'll consider that when we plan -the provision for everyone.	0:17:11	0:17:16
-This is a point from Seren in Bala. -She says S4C lacks guts in content.	0:17:16	0:17:21
-Does S4C have a lack of guts?	0:17:21	0:17:23
-Does S4C have a lack of guts? - -No, not at all. Not at all.	0:17:23	0:17:25
-It's likely that financial cuts -are on the horizon.	0:17:26	0:17:29
-Where will you be cutting provision?	0:17:29	0:17:31
-Where will you be cutting provision? - -We've looked at a lot of scenarios.	0:17:31	0:17:33
-We've set them out internally.	0:17:33	0:17:35
-One thing is certain.	0:17:36	0:17:38
-If there is another big cut, we'll -have to make very tough decisions.	0:17:38	0:17:43
-What about young people's -programming? Will you cut those?	0:17:43	0:17:47
-At present, -I can't say what we'll be cutting.	0:17:47	0:17:52
-Not until I've seen -what our funding is for the future.	0:17:52	0:17:56
-You can't guarantee young people's -programming will be protected.	0:17:56	0:18:00
-I can't guarantee -that anything will be protected.	0:18:00	0:18:03
-That's dependent on whether -cuts happen and what those cuts are.	0:18:03	0:18:07
-Thank you, Ian Jones.	0:18:08	0:18:10
-A few points were raised there -in terms of S4C's future.	0:18:12	0:18:15
-The channel's image -and where the cuts will be.	0:18:15	0:18:19
-How many of you here, -you young Welsh people...	0:18:20	0:18:23
-..watch S4C?	0:18:23	0:18:24
-Raise your hands -if you do watch S4C.	0:18:25	0:18:27
-Raise them high -so we can get an idea.	0:18:27	0:18:30
-There's a good portion of you.	0:18:30	0:18:33
-I can see two of you who don't.	0:18:33	0:18:36
-Why don't you watch S4C? The only -Welsh language channel in the world.	0:18:36	0:18:40
-You don't watch, Alex.	0:18:41	0:18:42
-I don't watch at home -because my parents are English.	0:18:43	0:18:46
-When I sit down to watch telly -with them, they watch English stuff.	0:18:46	0:18:50
-They understand Welsh...	0:18:51	0:18:52
-..but they'd rather watch English -stuff they understand perfectly.	0:18:53	0:18:57
-You didn't raise your hand. -You don't watch.	0:18:58	0:19:00
-No.	0:19:00	0:19:00
-No. - -Why?	0:19:00	0:19:01
-The reason I don't watch it -is because...	0:19:02	0:19:05
-..there are programmes like Fferm -Ffactor which I don't like at all.	0:19:05	0:19:09
-I think it stereotypes all of Wales.	0:19:09	0:19:12
-Aren't you stereotyping S4C by -saying it only shows farming stuff?	0:19:12	0:19:17
-Hacio is on S4C. We discuss -everything here including farming.	0:19:17	0:19:21
-Do you think -you're stereotyping S4C?	0:19:21	0:19:24
-No, I'm just saying that -about Fferm Ffactor.	0:19:24	0:19:28
-There are other programmes -about farming on S4C.	0:19:28	0:19:32
-That's what's turned me off -S4C completely.	0:19:32	0:19:36
-No farming programmes on S4C then.	0:19:36	0:19:38
-No farming programmes on S4C then. - -I hate them.	0:19:38	0:19:39
-Let's come over here. You're -from Morgan Llwyd. You watch S4C.	0:19:40	0:19:44
-No.	0:19:44	0:19:44
-No. - -Not at all?	0:19:44	0:19:45
-No.	0:19:46	0:19:46
-No. - -Why not?	0:19:46	0:19:47
-The biggest problem -is how they advertise.	0:19:48	0:19:51
-I never see any adverts -for anything on S4C.	0:19:51	0:19:54
-So, I'm not drawn -to watch anything on it.	0:19:54	0:19:57
-I hadn't heard of Hacio -until you came to our school.	0:19:57	0:20:01
-Thank heavens we came to the school!	0:20:01	0:20:04
-Let's head over here. -It's nice to see hands up.	0:20:04	0:20:08
-What do you have to say?	0:20:08	0:20:09
-I just want to go back -to what Morgan said...	0:20:10	0:20:12
-..about S4C portraying Wales -as a nation of farmers.	0:20:13	0:20:16
-Out of all of S4C's programmes, -there are three about farming.	0:20:16	0:20:20
-Cefn Gwlad, Ffermio -and Fferm Ffactor.	0:20:20	0:20:23
-Fferm Ffactor isn't on all year.	0:20:23	0:20:25
-It's totally unfair -to say that S4C stereotypes.	0:20:26	0:20:30
-Marketing was mentioned.	0:20:31	0:20:32
-You are one of S4C's ambassadors. -Can you explain how that works?	0:20:33	0:20:37
-I try to raise awareness of S4C -at school.	0:20:37	0:20:41
-The number of viewers at my school -disappointed me.	0:20:41	0:20:44
-There really weren't very many.	0:20:45	0:20:47
-There are more people here -who watch it.	0:20:47	0:20:50
-I'm trying to raise awareness -and to get more people to watch S4C.	0:20:53	0:20:58
-I know that Ysgol Y Strade has been -a part of this ambassador project.	0:20:58	0:21:04
-What effect has it had -on the number of viewers at Strade?	0:21:05	0:21:08
-I think it's having a big effect, -particularly on social websites.	0:21:09	0:21:13
-I'm an ambassador and I've been -tweeting a lot of stuff.	0:21:13	0:21:16
-It's a shock to see -that people you wouldn't guess...	0:21:16	0:21:21
-..do retweet and favourite things, -which is nice to see.	0:21:21	0:21:26
-I think there are programmes -for everyone.	0:21:26	0:21:28
-I don't think there's consistency -in terms of good programmes.	0:21:29	0:21:33
-You'll get one good drama, -like 35 Diwrnod.	0:21:33	0:21:37
-The second series has just started.	0:21:37	0:21:40
-But I don't think -there's consistency.	0:21:40	0:21:43
-The standard needs to be kept -throughout the year.	0:21:43	0:21:46
-Do you follow S4C -on Twitter and Facebook?	0:21:47	0:21:49
-Yes.	0:21:50	0:21:50
-Yes. - -He's done his work!	0:21:50	0:21:51
-I think it has helped.	0:21:52	0:21:53
-I think the problem is that people -don't give S4C enough of a chance.	0:21:54	0:21:58
-Just like Fferm Ffactor, -people see that and think...	0:21:58	0:22:02
-..I don't enjoy this -so I won't enjoy any of it.	0:22:02	0:22:05
-Not every programme suits everyone.	0:22:05	0:22:07
-They target different people.	0:22:07	0:22:10
-I think young people are a bit lazy.	0:22:10	0:22:13
-They're not willing to go -and find out what suits them.	0:22:13	0:22:16
-They just give up because they're -too lazy to find that information.	0:22:17	0:22:21
-I can see there's a hand up here.	0:22:21	0:22:24
-I've grown up watching S4C.	0:22:25	0:22:27
-It's important to remember -that we've only got one channel.	0:22:27	0:22:31
-It's not going to be -to everybody's taste.	0:22:31	0:22:34
-People are busy. They complain there -are no programmes for young people.	0:22:34	0:22:38
-Children don't come straight home -from school and watch television.	0:22:38	0:22:43
-They have work to do -for their A Levels.	0:22:43	0:22:46
-I'm not so sure that there is -that much of a problem...	0:22:46	0:22:49
-..with the provision -for young people.	0:22:49	0:22:52
-If you enjoy watching dramas, -they're there for you.	0:22:52	0:22:56
-Everyone's busy. -Do we need to think outside the box?	0:22:56	0:23:00
-The word relevant -came up a lot in that clip.	0:23:00	0:23:03
-How do you make S4C relevant -to young people in the 21st century?	0:23:04	0:23:07
-A big question.	0:23:08	0:23:09
-A big question. - -I'm not really sure.	0:23:09	0:23:10
-Everyone seems to think of S4C -as a television programme.	0:23:10	0:23:14
-The Internet is developing now.	0:23:14	0:23:16
-Maybe they should do more stuff -over the Internet.	0:23:16	0:23:19
-I know you can catch up on Clic.	0:23:19	0:23:21
-Maybe something like a website...	0:23:22	0:23:25
-..to help with homework -like BBC Bitesize.	0:23:25	0:23:29
-That might change -people's view of S4C...	0:23:29	0:23:32
-..instead of thinking of it -just as a television programme.	0:23:32	0:23:37
-So go beyond the old description -of a Welsh TV channel...	0:23:37	0:23:41
-..and move it online too.	0:23:41	0:23:43
-Would that work?	0:23:43	0:23:45
-It could, but more importantly -than anything else...	0:23:45	0:23:48
-..S4C needs to push the boundaries -more.	0:23:48	0:23:51
-Compared to other programmes...	0:23:53	0:23:55
-..programmes from England -and English programmes...	0:23:55	0:23:59
-..S4C tends to stay -within its comfort zone.	0:23:59	0:24:02
-They're not ready enough -to push boundaries...	0:24:02	0:24:05
-..and put something risky out there.	0:24:06	0:24:08
-They're frightened -of upsetting people.	0:24:08	0:24:11
-Those are the kinds of programmes -that draw viewers in.	0:24:11	0:24:14
-Something a little bit more risky.	0:24:14	0:24:17
-Something more appealing -to teenagers.	0:24:17	0:24:19
-There's a hand up here.	0:24:20	0:24:22
-S4C should do more surveys...	0:24:22	0:24:24
-..to find out -what children our age want to see.	0:24:25	0:24:28
-I don't know if any of you remember -it but I remember WawFfactor.	0:24:28	0:24:32
-It was a Welsh X Factor. -I enjoyed it.	0:24:32	0:24:34
-Maybe we need to bring back things -like that. There's talent here.	0:24:35	0:24:39
-Should we be recreating something -that's already on English channels?	0:24:39	0:24:44
-I don't agree with copying -programmes unless they're improved.	0:24:44	0:24:48
-Gwaith/Cartref -was similar to Waterloo Road...	0:24:48	0:24:51
-..but a hundred times better.	0:24:51	0:24:53
-We were shown it in a Welsh lesson -at school.	0:24:53	0:24:56
-People who you wouldn't expect -to watch S4C watched Gwaith/Cartref.	0:24:57	0:25:01
-It appealed to them.	0:25:01	0:25:04
-With WawFfactor, it was like -Gwaith/Cartref, it was better.	0:25:04	0:25:09
-They were showing real talent.	0:25:09	0:25:11
-That's what we want to see.	0:25:11	0:25:12
-That's what we want to see. - -Doesn't the Eisteddfod do that?	0:25:12	0:25:15
-That's another discussion -altogether!	0:25:15	0:25:19
-The Eisteddfod is something -that shows our traditions...	0:25:19	0:25:25
-..as opposed to our new talents.	0:25:25	0:25:28
-Why isn't Battle of the Bands -shown on S4C?	0:25:29	0:25:32
-I'd like to watch -something like that.	0:25:32	0:25:35
-There's another hand up here.	0:25:36	0:25:38
-Let's finish here.	0:25:38	0:25:40
-I wouldn't watch WawFfactor because -I don't like things like X Factor.	0:25:40	0:25:45
-What appeals to young people -like me...	0:25:45	0:25:47
-..are programmes like The Valleys -and Geordie Shore.	0:25:48	0:25:51
-Stuff you can talk about at school.	0:25:51	0:25:53
-Broadcasting things from Maes B -appeals to me.	0:25:54	0:25:58
-A lot of people -agree with you there.	0:25:59	0:26:01
-Something like that. It's quite -funny, it promotes Welshness.	0:26:02	0:26:07
-I think that's a good idea -to bring something edgier...	0:26:08	0:26:12
-..and stuff that appeals more -to young people in Wales.	0:26:12	0:26:16
-Plenty for us to chew over -on S4C's future.	0:26:17	0:26:20
-After the break, we'll be discussing -the legalization of drugs.	0:26:20	0:26:24
-We'll be asking if cannabis is -any worse than alcohol or tobacco.	0:26:24	0:26:28
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-Welcome back to Hacio'n Holi -from the Senedd in Cardiff Bay.	0:26:37	0:26:41
-The next discussion topic -is legalizing drugs.	0:26:41	0:26:44
-The campaign to legalize cannabis -has gathered pace recently.	0:26:44	0:26:48
-I asked for the opinions of -young people on the schools tour...	0:26:49	0:26:52
-..and in Pembrokeshire, -I found one young man in favour.	0:26:53	0:26:56
-Hello, I'm Elliott Manwaring...	0:26:57	0:27:00
-..a 16-year-old pupil -at Ysgol y Preseli.	0:27:00	0:27:03
-I want to go on -to study Medicine next year.	0:27:03	0:27:05
-As such, I have -a great interest in drug laws...	0:27:06	0:27:09
-..and their effects -on people's lives.	0:27:09	0:27:11
-In July, a student -at Aberystwyth University...	0:27:12	0:27:16
-..set up a petition -to call for the legalization...	0:27:16	0:27:19
-..of the production, -sale and use of cannabis.	0:27:19	0:27:22
-By now, -over 228,000 have signed it...	0:27:22	0:27:26
-..and I understand why.	0:27:31	0:27:33
-Think about it.	0:27:33	0:27:34
-Legalizing cannabis would bring in -900 million in tax every year.	0:27:34	0:27:40
-It would also save over 400 million -in policing costs...	0:27:40	0:27:44
-..because users -wouldn't need to be stopped.	0:27:44	0:27:47
-The cannabis industry -would also create over 10,000 jobs.	0:27:48	0:27:51
-Hey presto, a big help -to Wales' unemployment situation.	0:27:52	0:27:55
-There are numerous examples of -legalizing cannabis being a success.	0:27:57	0:28:02
-Amsterdam, for example, has done -very well out of drugs tourism.	0:28:02	0:28:06
-That would be a big help -to the British economy.	0:28:06	0:28:09
-Just to make it clear...	0:28:10	0:28:11
-..I'm not a fan of weed, -pot, ganja or whatever.	0:28:12	0:28:15
-But it is time people saw sense.	0:28:15	0:28:17
-Legalizing and controlling sales -would make it safer for users...	0:28:18	0:28:23
-..compared with -the black market dealers...	0:28:23	0:28:26
-..who can mix anything into it.	0:28:26	0:28:28
-Another thing that worries me -is the mixed message.	0:28:29	0:28:34
-Taking things like cannabis, -cocaine and heroin is illegal...	0:28:34	0:28:40
-..but damaging habits like smoking -and drinking alcohol are legal.	0:28:40	0:28:46
-Having said that, -can I have a pint...	0:28:47	0:28:51
-..of lemonade, please?	0:28:51	0:28:53
-Some people will take drugs -whatever the legal position.	0:28:56	0:28:59
-Isn't it better to change the system -and be mature about the problem...	0:29:00	0:29:04
-..and maybe, just maybe, -make the best of the situation?	0:29:04	0:29:08
-I'm only asking.	0:29:09	0:29:10
-The economic argument -from Elliott. Thank you.	0:29:14	0:29:17
-Before we discuss -the pros and cons of legalization...	0:29:17	0:29:21
-..how common are cannabis -and other drugs among young people?	0:29:21	0:29:25
-How common are they?	0:29:25	0:29:28
-Quite common -among people our age, I'd say.	0:29:28	0:29:32
-Are you aware of people your age -who use cannabis?	0:29:32	0:29:35
-Yes.	0:29:35	0:29:36
-Yes. - -And other drugs?	0:29:36	0:29:37
-No, I'm not aware of people...	0:29:39	0:29:41
-..who take anything harder -than cannabis.	0:29:41	0:29:44
-Cannabis is the main thing.	0:29:44	0:29:46
-What about you?	0:29:46	0:29:47
-Yes, I know of several people -who use cannabis.	0:29:47	0:29:51
-Is it the same for you?	0:29:52	0:29:53
-Yes, it's a big problem -in my area, Wrexham.	0:29:53	0:29:56
-Do you think -there's a specific reason?	0:29:56	0:29:59
-There's a lot of poverty there.	0:29:59	0:30:01
-I think people are trying to make -money because they're unemployed.	0:30:01	0:30:06
-It's a big problem in the area.	0:30:06	0:30:08
-I think I'll take a vote.	0:30:08	0:30:10
-Raise your hands.	0:30:10	0:30:11
-How many of you -know people who have used cannabis?	0:30:12	0:30:16
-Raise your hands if you know people -who have taken cannabis.	0:30:16	0:30:21
-That's the vast majority of you.	0:30:22	0:30:25
-It appears to be common.	0:30:26	0:30:27
-If it is that common, -why not legalize it?	0:30:28	0:30:32
-I don't think we should.	0:30:32	0:30:34
-One thing will lead to another -and more drugs will be legalized.	0:30:35	0:30:39
-It'll get worse.	0:30:39	0:30:40
-That's not all.	0:30:41	0:30:42
-I think there'll be a problem -with stronger drugs.	0:30:42	0:30:47
-That'll be a bigger problem -than just taking cannabis.	0:30:47	0:30:51
-It'll just get worse and worse.	0:30:51	0:30:53
-It's a problem that isn't being -looked at properly by anyone.	0:30:53	0:30:58
-The law is there to protect us...	0:30:58	0:31:00
-..and to prevent us -from destroying our lives.	0:31:00	0:31:03
-If it stops doing that, -the law will itself kill people.	0:31:04	0:31:07
-That's my opinion.	0:31:07	0:31:08
-Morally, we shouldn't legalize.	0:31:09	0:31:11
-Morally, we shouldn't legalize. - -No.	0:31:11	0:31:12
-What about you? -Are you in favour of legalization?	0:31:12	0:31:15
-Do you accept -Elliott's economic argument?	0:31:16	0:31:18
-Or morally, -should we keep it illegal?	0:31:19	0:31:21
-I really wasn't sure -about this subject.	0:31:22	0:31:25
-I did some research -and I'd back legalizing cannabis.	0:31:25	0:31:29
-I'm not sure about other drugs, -but cannabis, certainly.	0:31:29	0:31:33
-Elliott has mentioned -the economic benefits.	0:31:33	0:31:38
-There's also a medical argument -that can be put forward.	0:31:38	0:31:42
-I looked at Colorado in the USA.	0:31:42	0:31:44
-There, they raised 37 million -in tax revenue in a year.	0:31:44	0:31:48
-That allowed 3,400 students to be -put through university for free.	0:31:48	0:31:53
-Of course, economically, -that's a brilliant improvement.	0:31:53	0:31:58
-Thanks for that. What do you think?	0:31:58	0:32:01
-I don't think -we should legalize it.	0:32:01	0:32:03
-In a way, you're telling people -that it's OK to take drugs.	0:32:03	0:32:07
-That's the wrong message.	0:32:07	0:32:09
-You're saying, yes, go for it...	0:32:09	0:32:11
-..rather than protecting people, -as the law should do.	0:32:11	0:32:15
-I'm totally against -legalizing drugs.	0:32:15	0:32:17
-It's completely wrong.	0:32:18	0:32:19
-It's completely wrong. - -You're against it. What about you?	0:32:19	0:32:21
-I'm in favour of legalizing drugs.	0:32:21	0:32:23
-Why is that?	0:32:24	0:32:25
-People have the free will -to make their own decisions.	0:32:25	0:32:28
-Everyone has a responsibility -to make wise decisions.	0:32:29	0:32:32
-I don't think the government -should rule people's lives.	0:32:33	0:32:37
-What about you?	0:32:38	0:32:39
-I don't think that legalizing drugs -is the answer to the problem.	0:32:40	0:32:44
-The answer is more education -for young people...	0:32:44	0:32:48
-..and people of all ages.	0:32:48	0:32:50
-Not about how to use them, but -about the health dangers they pose.	0:32:50	0:32:54
-Better healthcare is also needed -for those who do take drugs.	0:32:55	0:32:59
-Drug addiction is an illness.	0:32:59	0:33:01
-We as a society must realize that.	0:33:01	0:33:03
-If it is an illness, -why do we criminalize them?	0:33:03	0:33:07
-I don't agree with that.	0:33:07	0:33:09
-It is an offence, -but it's also a mental illness...	0:33:09	0:33:12
-..because they're addicted -to the drug.	0:33:13	0:33:15
-I don't think imprisonment -is the right answer.	0:33:15	0:33:19
-So, no fines and punishment, -but rather help.	0:33:19	0:33:22
-Right, what do you think over here?	0:33:22	0:33:25
-I think that people -who are going to take drugs...	0:33:26	0:33:29
-..will do so without worrying -whether it's legal or not.	0:33:30	0:33:34
-Making drugs illegal...	0:33:34	0:33:36
-..simply gives money -to dangerous people...	0:33:37	0:33:40
-..who can get hold of firearms -and cause many more social problems.	0:33:40	0:33:45
-So it's better to regulate it -than to have a black market?	0:33:45	0:33:49
-I think it's a strong argument.	0:33:49	0:33:51
-I think it's a strong argument. - -Elliott, your idea's well-supported.	0:33:51	0:33:54
-Maybe not -to the same economic degree.	0:33:54	0:33:57
-What about the argument that -it would condone using cannabis?	0:33:57	0:34:02
-Wouldn't sanctioning its use -be dangerous?	0:34:03	0:34:06
-People will take drugs -whatever the law says.	0:34:06	0:34:09
-It doesn't really matter -if it's legal or illegal.	0:34:09	0:34:13
-But if we do legalize it, -we can benefit from that...	0:34:13	0:34:16
-..and use the revenue raised -on refugees...	0:34:16	0:34:19
-..or on the NHS, -which has huge problems.	0:34:20	0:34:23
-We can use the money -to help recruit doctors and so on.	0:34:23	0:34:27
-Daniel, where do you stand on this?	0:34:27	0:34:30
-Do you agree with Elliott?	0:34:30	0:34:31
-Do you agree with Elliott? - -I'm a bit on the fence, really.	0:34:31	0:34:34
-The laws are there to protect us -and people should take heed of them.	0:34:34	0:34:39
-People do take notice of some laws.	0:34:40	0:34:42
-Legalizing cannabis -could lead to worse things.	0:34:42	0:34:45
-People could think that it's good...	0:34:46	0:34:48
-..and go on to try -something stronger.	0:34:49	0:34:51
-That could lead to bigger problems -with heroin and cocaine.	0:34:51	0:34:55
-We'll end the discussion -with a vote.	0:34:56	0:34:58
-If you could have your say...	0:34:58	0:35:00
-..who would support the call -to legalize cannabis?	0:35:00	0:35:04
-Raise your hands if you agree -with legalizing cannabis...	0:35:05	0:35:09
-..so that we can see -who agrees with Elliott.	0:35:09	0:35:13
-This is going to be close.	0:35:13	0:35:15
-Put your hands down.	0:35:15	0:35:17
-Hands up those who disagree -with legalizing cannabis.	0:35:17	0:35:20
-You've lost by a whisker, Elliott.	0:35:21	0:35:24
-Thank you all.	0:35:24	0:35:26
-Next, we go from drugs -to sex education.	0:35:26	0:35:29
-Join us after the break.	0:35:29	0:35:31
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-Welcome back.	0:35:38	0:35:39
-Our next topic tonight -is sex education.	0:35:40	0:35:42
-Is what is being taught -in the classroom appropriate?	0:35:42	0:35:46
-It isn't, according to presenter -Lisa Angharad.	0:35:46	0:35:50
-Here is her unique view -of the subject.	0:35:50	0:35:52
-SEXUAL NOISES	0:35:53	0:35:55
-Barbie and Ken sitting in the tree -k-i-s-s-i-n-g.	0:36:04	0:36:09
-I'm sure you know the rest.	0:36:10	0:36:11
-Love, relationships, sex and babies.	0:36:11	0:36:14
-Everyone is happy to talk about it -in the playground...	0:36:14	0:36:18
-..but in the classroom, -things are totally different.	0:36:18	0:36:21
-In recent weeks, I've been -travelling all over Wales...	0:36:22	0:36:26
-..with Hacio'n Holi -discussing current affairs...	0:36:26	0:36:30
-..with sixth form pupils.	0:36:30	0:36:32
-One thing that made me angry -and disappointed...	0:36:32	0:36:35
-..was how poor -sex education provision is...	0:36:35	0:36:38
-..and how little it is valued -by our education system.	0:36:38	0:36:42
-When I was in school -about ten years ago...	0:36:42	0:36:45
-..sex education lessons consisted -of putting a condom on a banana.	0:36:45	0:36:49
-Handy! -And it's exactly the same today.	0:36:49	0:36:52
-All they learn -is about STIs and pregnancy.	0:36:52	0:36:55
-It creates the impression that -so long as you don't have sex...	0:36:55	0:36:59
-..you'll be fine.	0:36:59	0:37:01
-It makes it out -to be something bad, taboo...	0:37:01	0:37:04
-..and really embarrassing!	0:37:04	0:37:06
-Sex is so much more than that. -We all know that.	0:37:06	0:37:10
-It's pain, it's pleasure, -it can be disappointing...	0:37:10	0:37:14
-..it's emotions, -being really horny, porn...	0:37:14	0:37:17
-..sexting, orgies, -Tinder and Grindr.	0:37:17	0:37:20
-Why aren't we talking -about these things?	0:37:20	0:37:23
-Why don't we talk about consent...	0:37:23	0:37:25
-..the effects of alcohol, -gay and multiracial relationships?	0:37:25	0:37:30
-We should certainly be -talking about sexual equality.	0:37:30	0:37:33
-Something has to be done. Quickly.	0:37:34	0:37:36
-Despite all the information -available regarding condoms...	0:37:37	0:37:41
-..the percentage of young people -catching STIs is still too high.	0:37:41	0:37:45
-And, despite -all the horror stories...	0:37:45	0:37:47
-..the percentage of teenage girls -having babies...	0:37:48	0:37:51
-..is a lot higher in Wales -than in countries such as Spain...	0:37:51	0:37:55
-..France, Ireland, Belgium -and the Netherlands.	0:37:55	0:37:58
-Why is this?	0:37:58	0:37:59
-So, why don't we look at how -they do things in the Netherlands?	0:38:02	0:38:06
-We all know -they are more open there.	0:38:06	0:38:09
-They start teaching children -about sex from the age of six.	0:38:09	0:38:13
-No, Ken, they don't put condoms -on bananas.	0:38:14	0:38:18
-They teach children -about friendship, about hugging...	0:38:18	0:38:22
-..and the difference -between boys and girls.	0:38:22	0:38:25
-They also invite pregnant mothers -into the classroom...	0:38:25	0:38:29
-..to talk about the miracle -of conception.	0:38:30	0:38:33
-Cute, isn't it? Cute!	0:38:33	0:38:34
-So, what do we need to do?	0:38:40	0:38:43
-We need to start discussing sex -much earlier in schools.	0:38:44	0:38:47
-We should be discussing -every aspect of sex.	0:38:47	0:38:50
-We need to reclaim words -that have become taboo.	0:38:50	0:38:53
-What's the difference between the -word 'clitoris' and the word 'arm'?	0:38:53	0:38:57
-There is no difference.	0:38:58	0:38:59
-Teachers should not fear sex -or treat it as something dirty.	0:38:59	0:39:03
-They should acknowledge -that it happens and it's natural.	0:39:03	0:39:07
-All these things -should be enshrined in law.	0:39:07	0:39:09
-They need to be -a part of the curriculum...	0:39:10	0:39:12
-..so that the content and standard -of sex education throughout Wales...	0:39:12	0:39:17
-..is consistent.	0:39:17	0:39:18
-For the sake of man, and woman...	0:39:18	0:39:20
-..sex education in Wales -needs to be revolutionized - now.	0:39:20	0:39:25
-Doesn't it?	0:39:25	0:39:27
-Oh, I'm sorry, you were busy...	0:39:27	0:39:29
-That's Lisa Angharad's opinion.	0:39:36	0:39:38
-But what do you think?	0:39:39	0:39:40
-It is interesting to see -the reaction to that video.	0:39:41	0:39:44
-Too much, too little? Lisa thinks -there is too much of a taboo.	0:39:44	0:39:48
-Do you agree? -Should some things be taboo?	0:39:48	0:39:51
-I think the situation in schools -is quite poor.	0:39:51	0:39:54
-They should start -teaching about sex much earlier.	0:39:54	0:39:58
-At our school, we don't get -sex education lessons until Year 9.	0:39:58	0:40:02
-We were too old by then.	0:40:02	0:40:04
-We didn't concentrate -or listen properly...	0:40:04	0:40:07
-..to what we were being told -about diseases and their symptoms.	0:40:07	0:40:12
-I think we should start -when children are younger...	0:40:12	0:40:16
-..and do it consistently -to keep the momentum going...	0:40:16	0:40:19
-..and to raise awareness.	0:40:20	0:40:21
-How young is younger?	0:40:21	0:40:23
-They start at six in the -Netherlands. Is that too young?	0:40:23	0:40:26
-I think perhaps -that is a bit too young.	0:40:27	0:40:29
-They should be enjoying life at six.	0:40:29	0:40:32
-Teaching about sex -should begin in Year 6.	0:40:32	0:40:36
-Lessons should take place -every year after that.	0:40:36	0:40:39
-One session at secondary school is -not enough, from my point of view.	0:40:40	0:40:46
-They should start younger -and take place more often.	0:40:46	0:40:50
-It was interesting -to see your reaction to that.	0:40:50	0:40:53
-Lisa was trying to break down -the taboos.	0:40:53	0:40:56
-Are there reasons -why these things are taboo?	0:40:56	0:41:00
-Yes, because we try -to protect young children.	0:41:00	0:41:06
-But we do need -to break some taboos...	0:41:06	0:41:09
-..to stop people -seeing sex as dirty.	0:41:10	0:41:13
-It is part of life. -It's why we're here.	0:41:13	0:41:16
-So, would you welcome an open -discussion with Lisa about sex?	0:41:18	0:41:22
-Perhaps not in 2015.	0:41:22	0:41:24
-It's still a big taboo, -especially in this country.	0:41:24	0:41:28
-We only ever had one -sex education lesson in school.	0:41:29	0:41:33
-That was in Year 9. -Everyone treated it as a joke.	0:41:33	0:41:36
-What did you do in that lesson?	0:41:36	0:41:38
-It was like Lisa said in the video, -how to put a condom on a banana.	0:41:38	0:41:43
-But it's not the school's fault -that we only had one lesson.	0:41:43	0:41:46
-The fault lies -with the National Curriculum.	0:41:46	0:41:49
-We need consistent, -good quality sex education lessons.	0:41:50	0:41:54
-We don't need to sit a GCSE, we just -need to discuss modern issues.	0:41:54	0:41:58
-We need modern, social lessons -where children can learn.	0:41:58	0:42:03
-Not as young as six. Children -don't have sex at the age of six.	0:42:03	0:42:07
-Year 6 is young enough.	0:42:07	0:42:09
-Year 6 is young enough. - -Thank you.	0:42:09	0:42:10
-I can see some raised hands here.	0:42:11	0:42:14
-I disagree that six is too young.	0:42:15	0:42:17
-I think it's a good way -of identifying...	0:42:17	0:42:20
-..whether a child -has been sexually abused at home.	0:42:20	0:42:24
-Without going into detail, -it might help teachers in that way.	0:42:24	0:42:30
-That could be why they teach them -about sex so young...	0:42:31	0:42:34
-..so that they can explain to their -teacher what is happening to them.	0:42:34	0:42:40
-So it might be good for children -to be taught about sex so young.	0:42:40	0:42:45
-You had your hand up.	0:42:45	0:42:46
-A point was made about consent.	0:42:47	0:42:50
-The issue of consent -was raised in the video too.	0:42:51	0:42:54
-That is a huge problem -that is rarely acknowledged.	0:42:54	0:42:57
-I watched a programme on BBC Three -called Sex On Trial.	0:42:58	0:43:01
-It scared me to realize -that so many people...	0:43:01	0:43:05
-..didn't recognize when a rape was -happening in front of their eyes.	0:43:05	0:43:09
-They showed a video -that to me was obviously rape...	0:43:10	0:43:13
-..but a lot of people -didn't recognize it as such.	0:43:13	0:43:16
-People didn't seem to understand -what constituted rape.	0:43:19	0:43:23
-That's terrible.	0:43:23	0:43:24
-Should teaching about rape -be included...	0:43:25	0:43:28
-..in lessons for both boys and girls -or should boys be targeted?	0:43:28	0:43:32
-We should not differentiate -between boys and girls.	0:43:32	0:43:35
-Victims and perpetrators -can be male or female.	0:43:36	0:43:40
-Let's go over to this side.	0:43:41	0:43:42
-Hands are going up.	0:43:43	0:43:44
-What do you have to say about this?	0:43:44	0:43:47
-I don't think six years old -is too young.	0:43:47	0:43:49
-My sister's just started having -life lessons and she's in Year 6.	0:43:50	0:43:54
-I asked her -about what she'd been learning...	0:43:54	0:43:59
-..and she refused to tell me.	0:44:00	0:44:02
-If they'd done it earlier...	0:44:02	0:44:04
-..she'd have been more open -and able to talk about it.	0:44:04	0:44:07
-I'm a little different -from you perhaps.	0:44:08	0:44:11
-You've only had one lesson -in Year 9.	0:44:11	0:44:14
-I've had sex education lessons -every year since Year 5.	0:44:15	0:44:18
-It wasn't too early. I needed to -know about such things at that time.	0:44:19	0:44:23
-It wasn't just about sex, -it was about periods too.	0:44:23	0:44:27
-I was just wondering why -the Welsh Baccalaureate...	0:44:27	0:44:30
-..isn't giving us more information -about sex?	0:44:31	0:44:35
-Could that be restructured...	0:44:35	0:44:38
-..so that sex education -is more of a priority?	0:44:38	0:44:41
-Another hand here.	0:44:41	0:44:43
-I think the consent part -of sex education...	0:44:43	0:44:47
-..is a waste of time.	0:44:48	0:44:50
-If I asked someone for sex...	0:44:50	0:44:52
-..and they said 'no' -then common sense dictates...	0:44:53	0:44:56
-But do these conversations -take place?	0:44:56	0:44:58
-Sex On Trial -was an interesting programme.	0:44:59	0:45:01
-It seems -it is not as clear as that.	0:45:01	0:45:03
-People don't know what is OK.	0:45:04	0:45:06
-What if someone didn't answer. -What then?	0:45:06	0:45:09
-I think I'd just leave it.	0:45:09	0:45:13
-Do you think we're making -too much of this subject...	0:45:13	0:45:17
-..and we don't really need -so many lessons about it?	0:45:17	0:45:21
-I don't think it should interfere -with school lessons.	0:45:21	0:45:25
-It's much more important -to get good grades such as A*...	0:45:25	0:45:29
-..which contribute -so much more to your CV...	0:45:29	0:45:33
-..than learning about sex.	0:45:33	0:45:36
-That's an interesting viewpoint.	0:45:36	0:45:39
-A hand has been up for a while here.	0:45:40	0:45:42
-I'd like to come back to the point -about consent that was made there.	0:45:42	0:45:47
-I'm sorry, -but I completely disagree with you.	0:45:47	0:45:50
-If you watch the programme -Sex On Trial...	0:45:50	0:45:53
-..it shows exactly how ignorant -people are about what is consent.	0:45:53	0:45:57
-It's obvious that many people -are really confused about it.	0:45:58	0:46:01
-You're talking -about putting things on your CV...	0:46:01	0:46:05
-..but if I were the victim -of a crime...	0:46:05	0:46:10
-..it would affect me -for the rest of my life.	0:46:10	0:46:13
-It won't matter what's on my CV, -if I have A*s or Ds and Es.	0:46:13	0:46:16
-If I've been assaulted, -it will be with me forever.	0:46:17	0:46:21
-If I have a baby because of it...	0:46:21	0:46:23
-..I won't be able -to do anything about it.	0:46:23	0:46:26
-Whatever my GCSE -or A Level subjects are...	0:46:26	0:46:29
-..I can always do them again -if I have to.	0:46:29	0:46:31
-Some things cannot be so easily -remedied, so I totally disagree.	0:46:32	0:46:38
-A very important part -of the curriculum then.	0:46:38	0:46:42
-Isabel.	0:46:42	0:46:43
-That is an excellent example of -why we should be discussing consent.	0:46:43	0:46:48
-It's not about a simple yes or no.	0:46:49	0:46:51
-You could be under the influence -of alcohol or drugs.	0:46:52	0:46:58
-It's not a simple yes or no.	0:46:58	0:47:00
-An assault will stay with you -for the rest of your life.	0:47:00	0:47:03
-I can see one hand up here.	0:47:03	0:47:05
-I think we'll close the discussion -with you, Morgan.	0:47:06	0:47:10
-What were you going to say?	0:47:11	0:47:12
-I don't agree with the idea -that just one teacher...	0:47:12	0:47:18
-..should teach sex education -to the whole school.	0:47:19	0:47:23
-It should be opened up to many more.	0:47:24	0:47:26
-Other subjects should be involved, -such as Childcare...	0:47:26	0:47:30
-..Health and Social Care -and Biology.	0:47:30	0:47:33
-Sex and relationships education -is relevant across the curriculum...	0:47:33	0:47:38
-..not confined -to sex education lessons.	0:47:38	0:47:40
-We have to leave it there. Thank you -all for your contributions.	0:47:40	0:47:45
-Thank you at home for joining us.	0:47:45	0:47:47
-Don't forget that the debate -is continuing on our website...	0:47:47	0:47:51
-..on Facebook and on Twitter.	0:47:51	0:47:53
-Search for Hacio.	0:47:53	0:47:55
-We're back at 9.30pm next week. -But for now, it's goodnight.	0:47:55	0:47:58
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