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-Welcome to Hacio. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:16 | |
-Tonight, we look at the results -of the Dyma Fi questionnaire. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:20 | |
-A thousand young people -across Wales... | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
-..have had their say -on the things that affect them. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:27 | |
-Coming up, -is there enough support... | 0:00:27 | 0:00:30 | |
-..for young men -who suffer from mental illness? | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
-There could be more of a focus -on men. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:37 | |
-Are young people in danger... | 0:00:38 | 0:00:40 | |
-..of becoming obsessed with -their looks because of social media? | 0:00:40 | 0:00:44 | |
-These people aren't perfect. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
-I don't think they need -to follow these things exactly... | 0:00:46 | 0:00:51 | |
-..in order to be happy and perfect. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
-Catrin will be discussing complaints -about the Welsh Baccalaureate. | 0:00:55 | 0:01:00 | |
-You still think -that the Bac should be compulsory. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
-Students complaining about something -comes as no surprise. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:08 | |
-They'll eventually learn -that it's worthwhile. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:13 | |
-First, how much of a problem -is depression? | 0:01:13 | 0:01:17 | |
-The Dyma Fi questionnaire's aim -is to have an honest portrayal... | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
-..of the emotional lives -of 16 to 18-year-olds in Wales. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:25 | |
-62% of young people -who completed the questionnaire... | 0:01:25 | 0:01:29 | |
-..said they'd felt depressed -sometime in their lives. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
-I've talked to two young men... | 0:01:33 | 0:01:34 | |
-..about their mental health -experiences. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
-Brandon Gregory is 21 years old and -lives in Nelson, near Caerphilly. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:46 | |
-Hi, can I have a cup of tea, please? | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
-When he was 15, -he started feeling depressed. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
-I started feeling very isolated -and very lonely. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:02 | |
-I was a bit scared... | 0:02:03 | 0:02:05 | |
-..because I didn't know -what was going on in my mind. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:10 | |
-I was just in my house. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:12 | |
-I didn't want to look at myself -in the mirror. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
-I was just... | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
-..totally isolated from everyone. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:20 | |
-Sometimes, -he didn't leave the house for weeks. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:27 | |
-This had a detrimental effect -on his time at school. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:31 | |
-Imagine getting up in the morning -but not wanting to get up. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
-It's almost like you're living but -you're not living at the same time. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:40 | |
-You are alive - -you're breathing, you're fine... | 0:02:40 | 0:02:44 | |
-..but you don't feel like you are. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:46 | |
-You just get up for the sake of it. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:48 | |
-He also suffered from anxiety... | 0:02:50 | 0:02:52 | |
-..a condition -which made him worried about things. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:56 | |
-You think -everyone's talking about you... | 0:02:58 | 0:03:01 | |
-..everyone's looking at you, -everyone's laughing at you. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:05 | |
-Everyone's out to get you, almost. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
-If you break a leg... | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
-..everyone can see that. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:13 | |
-But when you have anxiety -or depression... | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
-..people can't see it, -so it's hard for them... | 0:03:16 | 0:03:20 | |
-..to believe that you're going -through the things you say you are. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
-In 2013, 393 people -committed suicide in Wales. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:29 | |
-81% of those were men. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:31 | |
-Brandon's depression -was at its worst when he was 19. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:39 | |
-One incident stays in his memory. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
-I was at my lowest point because -I had really bad depression... | 0:03:43 | 0:03:48 | |
-..and I started -to have suicidal thoughts. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
-It was really, really hard for me. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
-I told... | 0:03:56 | 0:03:58 | |
-..Mam, I think... | 0:03:59 | 0:04:00 | |
-..that if I didn't get help -within a couple of days... | 0:04:01 | 0:04:06 | |
-..I wouldn't be alive any more. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:10 | |
-Iolo James is 18 years old -and originally from Crymych. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
-He's the lead vocalist -of the band Y Ffug. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:18 | |
-He now lives in Cardiff. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
-When he was 15, he began to suffer -from an eating disorder. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
-I looked in the mirror... | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
-..and wasn't happy at all. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:33 | |
-He was very careful -with what he ate. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:38 | |
-Food was always on his mind. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
-Every day, -he set himself running targets. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:44 | |
-They call it bigorexia... | 0:04:44 | 0:04:48 | |
-..where you want to be the man -on the front of Men's Health. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:53 | |
-You're not happy -until you're like that. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:57 | |
-For me, the tail end -of my food problems... | 0:04:58 | 0:05:02 | |
-..was I slimmed down a lot... | 0:05:02 | 0:05:04 | |
-..and went about -trying to lift a lot of weights. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
-According to the suicide -prevention charity CALM... | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
-..42% of men between 18 and 45 -have considered killing themselves. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:17 | |
-Iolo also suffers -from clinical depression. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:22 | |
-He felt he wasn't good enough and -sometimes wanted to end his life. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:27 | |
-Suicidal thoughts -are an everyday normal feeling... | 0:05:28 | 0:05:32 | |
-..when you have really bad -clinical depression. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
-You don't think -about the next day... | 0:05:36 | 0:05:38 | |
-..and your life's -incredible possibilities... | 0:05:38 | 0:05:42 | |
-..because you're not healthy. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:44 | |
-You can't, you know. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:46 | |
-According to research -by the charity Mind... | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
-..men are less willing to talk -to their friends than women... | 0:05:50 | 0:05:54 | |
-..about mental health problems. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:56 | |
-Just one in three -will talk to their families. | 0:05:56 | 0:05:59 | |
-One in three men also say... | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
-..that they'd be too ashamed -to ask for help. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:05 | |
-Brandon wanted to talk to someone -about his mental illness... | 0:06:08 | 0:06:12 | |
-..but he felt too ashamed to do so. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
-It's taboo almost... | 0:06:17 | 0:06:18 | |
-..for men to talk about -their emotions or how they feel. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:23 | |
-It's almost like... | 0:06:23 | 0:06:25 | |
-..because masculinity has not been -associated with vulnerability... | 0:06:25 | 0:06:29 | |
-..they believe that vulnerability -isn't good. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:35 | |
-It's almost like being fearful. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
-In rural Wales, Iolo found it hard -to talk to someone. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:43 | |
-He felt pressurized -to behave in a macho way. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
-Talking about mental health -amongst boys... | 0:06:47 | 0:06:51 | |
-..is a lot harder -than amongst girls. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:55 | |
-They're like, "Man, get over it, -yeah? Pull yourself together. | 0:06:56 | 0:07:00 | |
-"You're a man. Sort it out." | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
-You can't because a lot of the time -you need help. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
-Being special | 0:07:07 | 0:07:09 | |
-I'm seen as a strong man. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:11 | |
-I didn't want people -to see the depression as a weakness. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:17 | |
-Time To Change Wales -is the first campaign... | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
-..to try and remove the stigma -attached to mental health in Wales. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:25 | |
-They encourage people... | 0:07:25 | 0:07:26 | |
-..to talk openly about -their experiences and problems. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
-Sara Powys is raising awareness -of the campaign. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
-We have a group of men... | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
-..who didn't want to talk about -their experiences at the start. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:44 | |
-They found it really hard. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
-But we've coached and helped them -so they can share their story. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:50 | |
-It's very important... | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
-..and our research shows that it's a -really good way of tackling stigma. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:58 | |
-The campaign has launched a scheme -with some Welsh football clubs... | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
-..where men who suffer -take part in exercise sessions. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
-However, Sara thinks -there's room for improvement. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
-We've done a lot of work -and seen a difference... | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
-..but there's a lot of work -still to be done. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:16 | |
-It's definitely at the top -of the government's agenda. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:21 | |
-I think that people are starting -to find it easier to talk. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:25 | |
-We see through our work -that people are starting to change. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:29 | |
-People's attitudes are changing. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
-But it won't happen overnight. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
-I think within ten years, -we'll see a big difference. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:39 | |
-Brandon received counselling -through his school... | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
-..to try and cope with his illness. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:46 | |
-But he believes there's more -to be done to get rid of the stigma. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:51 | |
-It's starting to be good. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:54 | |
-But I think -there's still a long way to go. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
-We could give -more of a spotlight... | 0:08:58 | 0:09:02 | |
-..just more of a focus, on men. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:07 | |
-The Welsh Government told me that -tackling unacceptable prejudice... | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
-..towards people with mental health -problems was a priority for them. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:17 | |
-A spokesperson said they've launched -a scheme to improve... | 0:09:17 | 0:09:21 | |
-..specialist mental health services -for children and young people... | 0:09:21 | 0:09:25 | |
-..to stop mental health problems -from happening in the first place... | 0:09:25 | 0:09:29 | |
-..and improve access -to existing services. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:32 | |
-Iolo has been on tablets to treat -his depression for 18 months. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:38 | |
-But he feels better now -and can live without them. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:41 | |
-Like living with any illness, -you adapt your life to deal with it. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:47 | |
-The more you explain to people... | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
-..and the more you share -what it feels like... | 0:09:53 | 0:09:57 | |
-..especially -with your friends and family... | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
-..the easier it gets if you -have to deal with it every day. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:04 | |
-Brandon has been -on mindfulness courses... | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
-..which have helped him -deal with his illness. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
-He hopes he can go -on more of them in the future. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
-When you've had mental health -problems, they don't just disappear. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:24 | |
-There's no magic cure. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:26 | |
-You can always -talk to the Samaritans. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:30 | |
-You can always look for help, -even if you're at the point... | 0:10:30 | 0:10:34 | |
-..where you don't feel anything, -you don't feel emotions. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:38 | |
-There are people who can understand -and who can find help. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:42 | |
-Join us after the break -when we'll look at the effect... | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
-..that fitness blogs and healthy -eating obsessions can have... | 0:10:47 | 0:10:52 | |
-..and Keith Davies AM -faces Catrin's questions. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
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-Subtitles - -Subtitles | 0:11:02 | 0:11:04 | |
-Welcome back. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:06 | |
-Blogs and Instagram accounts... | 0:11:06 | 0:11:08 | |
-..like Deliciously Ella -and Clean Eating Alice... | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
-..have become popular recently. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
-They show how they go about -living a clean lifestyle... | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
-..by showing what they eat... | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
-..and what they do to keep fit -on their accounts. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:22 | |
-Could young people develop -an obsession with this way of life? | 0:11:22 | 0:11:26 | |
-Dinas Powys -in the Vale of Glamorgan. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
-Elin Yapp is preparing breakfast. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:33 | |
-I'm having a yoghurt -mixed with protein. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:37 | |
-I use My Protein Salted Caramel. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
-I top it with granola bits, frozen -berries and chocolate peanut butter. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
-For a year, she's had a blog and -an Instagram account, Livelyel... | 0:11:45 | 0:11:49 | |
-..to show how she goes about -living a healthy lifestyle. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
-I made another Instagram account... | 0:11:54 | 0:11:56 | |
-..because I started to eat healthily -and work out. | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
-I didn't want to clog up -my friends' news feeds. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
-So, I started another one. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
-It also allowed me to progress... | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
-..and let me see -how my marathon training is going. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
-Elin tries to put two photos a day -on Instagram. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
-She updates her blog weekly. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
-She tries to work out -five or six times a week. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
-She doesn't think eating healthily -is as hard as people imagine. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:33 | |
-I want to make it easier for people -to see and understand how to do it. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:39 | |
-I've grown up with it being normal -to be working out all the time. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:44 | |
-For me, -it's not a massive lifestyle change. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
-I can understand -how it is for some people. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:51 | |
-When you're doing your best for your -body, eating right, working out... | 0:12:52 | 0:12:57 | |
-..you know you're doing your best -for your body. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
-It does give you peace of mind -just to know you're doing your best. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:06 | |
-There have been -a lot of terrible photos... | 0:13:08 | 0:13:12 | |
-..of young girls -in the papers recently. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
-Girls who developed -severe eating disorders... | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
-..from trying to emulate the girls -they see on the Web. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:22 | |
-Do you worry about young people -following your Instagram... | 0:13:22 | 0:13:26 | |
-..and developing an obsession with -how they look and what they eat? | 0:13:26 | 0:13:31 | |
-It does worry me a little -that young girls and young boys... | 0:13:33 | 0:13:39 | |
-..see these photos and think -that's just that person's life. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:44 | |
-It is easy for them to just think... | 0:13:45 | 0:13:47 | |
-.."That's what -I've got to do to look like that." | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
-That's what I've got to do -to get that image. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
-"My body image, -I need to look like that." | 0:13:54 | 0:13:56 | |
-Some people get obsessive -and work out. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
-I do worry about that. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:03 | |
-Essena O'Neill had almost -500,000 followers on Instagram. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:09 | |
-She was always on there. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:11 | |
-Companies paid her to post photos... | 0:14:12 | 0:14:14 | |
-..of her wearing their clothes -on her account. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:17 | |
-Three weeks ago, she brought an end -to her career on social media. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:21 | |
-She'd realized -that she was trapped in a fake life. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:24 | |
-Sometimes, you do think -"Oh my God, I haven't posted." | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
-I didn't post yesterday, -I have to put something. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
-Otherwise, you will lose followers. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
-But then I just think, -snap out of it. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
-My life -doesn't revolve around Instagram... | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
-..and neither should anybody else's. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:44 | |
-It is easy to get sucked in and -constantly think about Instagram. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:50 | |
-According to the Dyma Fi survey... | 0:14:52 | 0:14:54 | |
-..personal image was important -to 61% of young people. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
-Sioned Quirke -is a specialist dietician in Gwent. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
-She worries about the effect blogs -and photos have on young people. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:07 | |
-I'm seeing the situation -get worse... | 0:15:08 | 0:15:11 | |
-..with the number of people -who develop eating disorders... | 0:15:11 | 0:15:14 | |
-..or think that's what they have -to do and that's what is healthy. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:19 | |
-I think that the blogs and photos... | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
-..give an unrealistic view of life. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
-It shows a story that isn't -the complete picture of health. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:33 | |
-She thinks it's easy -to influence young people. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
-She's seen an increase in the number -of people following online diets. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:43 | |
-I think that people -who upload photos and write blogs... | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
-..have a big influence -on young people. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
-I think following -that kind of diet... | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
-..and doing that kind of exercise -can be very hard work. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:57 | |
-People don't realize that. | 0:15:58 | 0:15:59 | |
-She warns young people to be careful -which diets they try... | 0:16:02 | 0:16:07 | |
-..from following blogs and photos. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
-Young people do need to remember -that there is a balance. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:14 | |
-It's great to eat healthily, -but these people aren't perfect. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
-I don't think they need to follow -these things exactly to be happy. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:25 | |
-Elin thinks it's important -to be honest when blogging... | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
-..and putting photos on Instagram. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:32 | |
-The balance between eating right -and enjoying yourself is important. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:37 | |
-My Instagram has, more recently... | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
-..tried to put out photos -of real life. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
-If I go out for a burger, -if the lighting is right... | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
-..I'll take a photo of it -and post it. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:48 | |
-I don't want to lie and say -that I always eat cleanly... | 0:16:49 | 0:16:53 | |
-..and work out every day -because I don't. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:56 | |
-There's no need. You need a balance -of healthy life and life. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
-Another of the Dyma Fi survey's -findings was that exams... | 0:17:04 | 0:17:08 | |
-..and academic pressure -cause young people the most anxiety. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:12 | |
-The Welsh Baccalaureate has become -mandatory for sixth form students. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:18 | |
-Some complain that this -has added to their workload. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
-Catrin has been to find out more. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
-Last week, I moderated the Hacio -debate at the Welsh Assembly. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:29 | |
-The Welsh Baccalaureate -was a hot topic with this group. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
-The Welsh Baccalaureate -is meant to teach life skills. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
-Does it work? | 0:17:38 | 0:17:39 | |
-I think the government -is asking too much of pupils. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
-Now, I've been forced -to take the Bac. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:47 | |
-It's of no value to me personally. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
-Universities like Oxford -are going to look at what I do... | 0:17:50 | 0:17:55 | |
-..in English, History, -Maths and Physics. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
-If I had to get rid of Physics -to focus more on the Bac... | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
-..and have free lessons. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
-Am I then going to stand out -because I have a Bac? | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
-I don't think -it makes much difference. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
-Many people have mentioned -that it's a good way... | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
-..to draw things into the curriculum -which aren't quite so academic. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:20 | |
-Half of it -feels like a box-ticking exercise... | 0:18:20 | 0:18:24 | |
-..and rewriting things -that aren't very useful to us. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:28 | |
-To me, being a good citizen, -is how to behave towards others. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
-How to react to different problems. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:36 | |
-I don't think the Baccalaureate -teaches us those skills. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:40 | |
-The idea is there, but it isn't -administered in the classroom. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:44 | |
-Keith Davies was an architect -of the Welsh Baccalaureate. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:49 | |
-He's now a Labour Assembly Member. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
-He worked with the WJEC -to present the Bac in 2007. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
-What does he have to say -about the complaints? | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
-How do you feel about the negative -and critical comments... | 0:19:00 | 0:19:04 | |
-..made about the Baccalaureate -by young people? | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
-I'm not sure -what their complaints are. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
-In the end, if they look -at the Bac's requirements... | 0:19:12 | 0:19:17 | |
-..it's going to be helpful -as citizens... | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
-..or as students at university. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
-Most universities accept it. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:24 | |
-They give it points -that are as good as an A at A Level. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:28 | |
-We've been told it's an additional -strain and a waste of time. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
-Is it fair to force them -to study the Bac? | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
-I was in a parents' meeting at a -secondary school in Carmarthenshire. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:41 | |
-That was a few months ago. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:43 | |
-The sixth form head said he was glad -they followed the Bac at the school. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:49 | |
-All of their students who wanted -a place at university got one. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:55 | |
-He said the main reason everyone -got a place was the Baccalaureate. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
-What we see from places -like Oxford and Cambridge... | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
-..and a number -of other universities... | 0:20:03 | 0:20:05 | |
-..is that they're willing to accept -the Bac as a fourth subject... | 0:20:05 | 0:20:09 | |
-..but not as one -of the three core subjects. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
-What's its purpose... | 0:20:12 | 0:20:13 | |
-..if it's not going to be considered -as one of those core subjects? | 0:20:13 | 0:20:17 | |
-The main reason for it -is to ensure that students... | 0:20:17 | 0:20:23 | |
-In the sixth form, I studied -Maths, Further Maths and Physics. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:29 | |
-That's quite a narrow field. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:31 | |
-The Baccalaureate -gives them different experiences. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:35 | |
-They have to work in the community -and pay the community back. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:39 | |
-That's a core part -of the Baccalaureate. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
-Some of them venture -and make a business. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
-Some of them do an individual study. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
-Accepting that it helps some... | 0:20:48 | 0:20:52 | |
-..is it right that every pupil -in Wales is forced to study the Bac? | 0:20:52 | 0:20:57 | |
-I think it is. | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
-They become better students -through doing it. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:02 | |
-Their focus isn't as narrow. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
-In the end, -if you study subjects like I did... | 0:21:05 | 0:21:09 | |
-..you don't -have much life experience. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
-With all due respect, people of your -generation have turned out alright. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:17 | |
-Why are you throwing this Bac in -for 21st century students? | 0:21:17 | 0:21:22 | |
-There's so much competition -to succeed academically in any case. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:26 | |
-Why are you setting this -on top of that? | 0:21:26 | 0:21:28 | |
-If you want to discuss -what's happening in the world... | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
-..and the community, -you have to have some evidence. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:36 | |
-As they follow the Bac, -they will look at the economy... | 0:21:36 | 0:21:40 | |
-..things to do with law, -that they wouldn't have otherwise. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:45 | |
-It makes them better citizens. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
-Looking at the educational -situation in Wales... | 0:21:48 | 0:21:52 | |
-.it has been heavily criticized. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:54 | |
-Aren't you throwing dust -into people's eyes with the Bac? | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
-There are genuine worries -about core subjects. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
-Isn't that where we should -put our emphasis, not on the Bac? | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
-We are doing that at the Assembly. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
-We have trouble with the STEM -subjects, particularly with girls. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:11 | |
-If you look -at the number of girls... | 0:22:11 | 0:22:13 | |
-..studying A Level Physics, -it's incredibly low. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
-Shouldn't we be pushing that... | 0:22:16 | 0:22:18 | |
-..and improving standards -in the core subjects? | 0:22:18 | 0:22:22 | |
-We're doing both, -that's what I think. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
-We're not succeeding in doing both, -that's the point. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
-We'll see. -The new Bac has just started. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
-The emphasis -we're placing on STEM is new too. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:36 | |
-We could see them both improve -in the coming years. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:40 | |
-In future, you think the Bac should -be mandatory for all students? | 0:22:41 | 0:22:46 | |
-Despite the complaints -that it's a waste of time... | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
-..and an additional strain, you -still think it should be mandatory? | 0:22:49 | 0:22:53 | |
-It would surprise me if students -didn't complain about something. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:58 | |
-They always have something -to complain about. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:00 | |
-In the end, once they succeed, -they'll see its value. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
-It's very valuable. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
-Thank you. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:08 | |
-Next week, following the -historical cases of child abuse... | 0:23:09 | 0:23:14 | |
-..that have come to light -recently... | 0:23:14 | 0:23:16 | |
-..singer Nesdi Jones speaks to us -about what happened to her. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:21 | |
-I don't know -what triggered it all off. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
-I just saw everything, I fell -to my knees and started wailing. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:28 | |
-Nesdi Jones' powerful interview, -next week on Hacio. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:32 | |
-We'll see you then, goodnight. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
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