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10 years after 9/11, a new power, the Freedom Power has risen from | :00:03. | :00:10. | |
the ashes. Right here, Osama Bin Laden and so did agreed is wind on | :00:10. | :00:14. | |
the United States. Americans have been remembering and reflecting. My | :00:14. | :00:18. | |
guest is the man who was Mayor of New York City on its darkest day, | :00:18. | :00:28. | |
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Rudy Giuliani. How have he and his country been changed by 9/11? | :00:42. | :00:48. | |
The de Chile and the, welcome to HARDtalk. Good to be with you. | :00:48. | :00:54. | |
is an incredible spot. Here we said, right on the edge of Ground Zero. | :00:54. | :01:01. | |
It is 10 years on from 9/11. By wonder what emotion you bring to | :01:01. | :01:08. | |
this anniversary week. It is very hard to look at. I don't even know | :01:08. | :01:14. | |
because I haven't gone through its yet. Every year it is very | :01:14. | :01:18. | |
difficult because it was the worst experience of my life, the worst | :01:18. | :01:25. | |
day of my life, the worst day in the history of my city and the | :01:25. | :01:32. | |
worst attack. It was also a great deal of care was some. -- a great | :01:32. | :01:38. | |
day of heroism. We got a tremendous help. It almost made you cry to | :01:38. | :01:43. | |
think of all the people that came and volunteered and helped and put | :01:43. | :01:47. | |
themselves at great risk. I've probably had some good knowledge of | :01:47. | :01:55. | |
how dangerous this all was Paul stop -- this all was. I was worried | :01:55. | :01:59. | |
that we would lose somebody because they were so over-anxious to do a | :01:59. | :02:05. | |
good job. The conceive what has been achieved already. -- we can | :02:05. | :02:13. | |
see now. I want to stick around the hours of 9/11 itself. You were on | :02:13. | :02:17. | |
the north side, trying to get as close as you could do what had | :02:17. | :02:22. | |
happened. The command centre was over their. How intensely do you | :02:22. | :02:28. | |
recall what happened? What you saw, what you felt at the time. After | :02:28. | :02:33. | |
all, it was 10 years ago. I have spoken about to do a lot. I have | :02:33. | :02:39. | |
written about it. It helps me to talk about it. It helps me to get | :02:39. | :02:44. | |
over the emotion of it and deal with the emotion of it. I have | :02:44. | :02:48. | |
counselled other people to do that, get it out and talk about it. Some | :02:48. | :02:52. | |
of the memories are with you for ever. Some of them stand out as | :02:52. | :02:59. | |
pictures in your mind. The first time I saw somebody jump from the | :02:59. | :03:03. | |
100 for. The first man to throw himself out that I saw, I think | :03:03. | :03:07. | |
there were once before that, that was one of the most shocking | :03:07. | :03:12. | |
experiences of my life, to watch a man at 100 stories flee the fire | :03:12. | :03:16. | |
behind him and throw his body down. I had never seen anything like that | :03:16. | :03:20. | |
before. It convinced me at that time that this was the worst | :03:20. | :03:24. | |
experience they would never have to deal within we had better do as | :03:24. | :03:33. | |
good a job as we can. -- as we would ever. I wonder, as Mayor, if | :03:33. | :03:37. | |
you thought "I am losing control of the city. There are things | :03:37. | :03:41. | |
happening around me that I could never have imagined and I cannot do | :03:41. | :03:49. | |
a job here." That thought was there. Occasionally it would just flash | :03:49. | :03:58. | |
into your head. Can be handled this? His is beyond us? -- can we | :03:58. | :04:03. | |
handle? I thought that but then I thought "I cannot think this week." | :04:03. | :04:10. | |
I did my best to get through it. My father gave me advice. He said "if | :04:10. | :04:14. | |
you are ever in an emergency, remained calm, and if you are not | :04:14. | :04:19. | |
calm, pretend you are calm." afterwards, you have already spoken | :04:19. | :04:23. | |
about stuff that stayed with you, a lot of people have spoken about | :04:23. | :04:32. | |
post-traumatic stress. Have you had dark nights? I have not. I have | :04:32. | :04:36. | |
never dreamed about it. I find it strange that I have never dreamed | :04:36. | :04:45. | |
about it. I think about did a lot. One time I was given medicine that | :04:45. | :04:49. | |
makes you going to a sleepy state and I started talking about it. My | :04:49. | :04:53. | |
wife was with me and the doctor and they were giving out orders to | :04:53. | :04:57. | |
people -- they said I was giving it orders to people to leave the | :04:57. | :05:01. | |
building and get at the building. I don't remember dreaming about it | :05:01. | :05:07. | |
but I do think about it and talk about it a lot. I credit that to me | :05:07. | :05:11. | |
avoiding some of the things that happened. He is there it is | :05:11. | :05:17. | |
difficult. I wonder whether you have some specific regrets. Juba | :05:17. | :05:22. | |
the leader of the city.The city for eight years. There were discussions | :05:22. | :05:31. | |
about things like, for example, did 300 firefighters need to die in the | :05:31. | :05:36. | |
operation that surrounded the Twin Towers? Daegu and others in the | :05:36. | :05:45. | |
operation make some mistakes? did you? I think the 343 | :05:45. | :05:49. | |
firefighters was probably less than what would have died if the command | :05:49. | :05:56. | |
hadn't been as effective as it was. If you read the 9/11 report, it | :05:56. | :06:01. | |
says that 96 % of the people that could be saved were saved. What I | :06:01. | :06:08. | |
regret is not anticipating specifically that kind of an attack. | :06:08. | :06:14. | |
Let's talk about the 10 years since. Has New York City killed, do you | :06:14. | :06:20. | |
think? There are still scars year but has the city sealed? The City | :06:20. | :06:26. | |
has done remarkably well. It has done better than I thought it would. | :06:26. | :06:30. | |
I knew they would be stronger as a result of this but they have more | :06:30. | :06:36. | |
than exceeded my expectations. However you judge a city, a city -- | :06:36. | :06:40. | |
the city is a stronger and better city now. More to this come here, | :06:40. | :06:45. | |
more people love you, the economy of the city is doing better than | :06:45. | :06:51. | |
the economy of the country. -- more people live here. I think the city | :06:51. | :06:57. | |
has healed to the extent that it can. I guess it has to. Associated | :06:57. | :07:02. | |
Press reported just a couple of days ago that 1,000 new yacht City | :07:02. | :07:07. | |
did -- Police officers day-by-day are assigned to counter terror | :07:07. | :07:13. | |
opposition -- operations. Of course the city the allies sees it is the | :07:13. | :07:17. | |
number one target. That is along with Washington DC. -- realises it | :07:17. | :07:25. | |
is. I think people feel more secure here because they realised the | :07:25. | :07:28. | |
police department is probably the best in the country. The police | :07:28. | :07:33. | |
department which, according to this report, has set up a secret police | :07:33. | :07:40. | |
unit, they call it the Demographic Unit, which uses undercover | :07:40. | :07:44. | |
operations to monitor the likes of New York's Muslim communities, | :07:44. | :07:49. | |
secretly. Is that what you believe should be done in New York City. | :07:49. | :07:57. | |
course. Not the Muslim community got Mark that is what it is about. | :07:57. | :08:03. | |
-- not the Muslim community... That is what it is about. You are | :08:03. | :08:07. | |
monitoring a committee on the basis that that is where the next threat | :08:07. | :08:16. | |
may come from. -- a community. threat is and from people living | :08:16. | :08:20. | |
near Kings County Hospital. The reality is for the police are doing | :08:20. | :08:25. | |
is sensible police work. They are looking at their terrorism has come | :08:25. | :08:29. | |
from and they are focusing on people who are suspected terrorists. | :08:29. | :08:34. | |
It turns out they are Muslim. They are not focusing on Muslims, they | :08:34. | :08:42. | |
are focusing on suspected terrorist. Remember, the first attempt was put | :08:42. | :08:45. | |
together in a mosque in New Jersey. When you know something like that | :08:45. | :08:50. | |
and you know that there are certain Oscars, not all of them, but some | :08:50. | :08:55. | |
of them that they used to plan terror attacks, you would not look | :08:56. | :09:01. | |
in our synagogue on a church, but could be stupid police work. I used | :09:01. | :09:07. | |
the word healing. I wonder if, for example, a city can be truly healed | :09:07. | :09:11. | |
when such a raw and passionate argument was provoked by the plan, | :09:11. | :09:17. | |
for example, from the Muslim community centre which would have | :09:17. | :09:22. | |
been a couple of blocks away pyjamas on benefactors that was all | :09:22. | :09:29. | |
about delivering a message of peace. -- which Amazon benefactor. You | :09:29. | :09:36. | |
called it a desecration. This man wanted to put a mosque here. 90 % | :09:36. | :09:40. | |
of the family members said it was going to cut them and create pain | :09:40. | :09:44. | |
for them and create a tremendous amount of psychological damage to | :09:44. | :09:49. | |
them. They said the Skye Bridge shilling people and he was going to | :09:49. | :09:55. | |
put the mosque down. That is not healing. That is a divided. | :09:55. | :09:58. | |
Thousands of people but killed here under the banner of distorted | :09:58. | :10:03. | |
Islamic religion. It wasn't under the banner of Christianity on | :10:03. | :10:09. | |
Judaism, that was the banner. you call a mosque a desecration, | :10:09. | :10:16. | |
venue say it is right for the police to centre of their anti- | :10:16. | :10:20. | |
terror demonstration on the move on committee, I wonder how many peace- | :10:20. | :10:27. | |
loving Muslim residents off New York City will feel about that. | :10:27. | :10:31. | |
they are peace-loving, they will feel fine. Maybe they will feel | :10:31. | :10:38. | |
victimised. Not if they aren't involved in terrorism. No more than | :10:38. | :10:41. | |
Italian-Americans shouldn't feel victimised when I went after the | :10:41. | :10:44. | |
Mafia because there was a percentage involved in organised | :10:45. | :10:49. | |
crime. The police cannot be irrational or politically correct. | :10:49. | :10:55. | |
It has to be based on logical instincts on people's behaviour. | :10:55. | :11:01. | |
The reality is that Mosques, not all, some, have become the source | :11:01. | :11:06. | |
of terrorist planning. For the police to ignore that in the name | :11:06. | :11:10. | |
of political correctness, because it makes you happy, that would be a | :11:10. | :11:16. | |
dangerous thing to do. I wanted done to the bigger canvas of | :11:16. | :11:20. | |
American national security beyond the city. With the benefit of | :11:20. | :11:25. | |
distance and hindsight that comes with 10 years, do you think that | :11:25. | :11:30. | |
America misjudged its national security response to name 11 mac? | :11:30. | :11:39. | |
No. -- 9/11. I think it was misjudged before 9/11. America | :11:39. | :11:44. | |
discounted the threat to this country. They had attacked the | :11:44. | :11:51. | |
World Trade Center in Africa twice. I think we were minimising the | :11:51. | :11:54. | |
threat against us and sending them signals that we were weak. | :11:55. | :11:59. | |
Therefore, they took advantage of fires on 9/11. The prisoners and | :11:59. | :12:06. | |
the pudding. They took advantage of that, but, in the end, is it not | :12:06. | :12:11. | |
important, first of all to a member of the scale of the horror and the | :12:11. | :12:15. | |
number of victims but also to remember who did it and fight it | :12:15. | :12:20. | |
was done. It was 19 hijackers. The budget was less than $1 million. | :12:20. | :12:25. | |
They were ordered and demanded from skate -- caves in Afghanistan by a | :12:25. | :12:30. | |
small number of fanatics. They succeeded in achieving their | :12:30. | :12:35. | |
objective but was it really war? Was at war that needed a response | :12:35. | :12:39. | |
from the Bush administration that did they not just into Afghanistan | :12:39. | :12:46. | |
but into Iraq as well and cost the nation up to four trillion dollars. | :12:46. | :12:51. | |
And, in 10 years, there has been no attacks like that again. Every | :12:51. | :12:59. | |
single intelligence source warned me that we would be attacked dozens | :12:59. | :13:04. | |
of times again. If that was not for President Bush and his courage to | :13:04. | :13:08. | |
deploy the military in the way he did, I am absolutely convinced that | :13:08. | :13:12. | |
this country would have gone through format, five or six major | :13:12. | :13:16. | |
terrorist attacks and that that was not for Barack Obama continuing and | :13:16. | :13:21. | |
it, the attacks would have increased in the last three years. | :13:21. | :13:26. | |
I can count 42 attempts by extremist Muslim terrorists to | :13:26. | :13:30. | |
conduct terrorist attacks in the United States that have been | :13:30. | :13:36. | |
stopped since 9/11. If we had not heightened our alertness to this, | :13:36. | :13:41. | |
if we had not gone on the offensive, similar attacks would have happened. | :13:41. | :13:45. | |
My question was about the broader response. The Bush administration | :13:45. | :13:50. | |
decided to take up this war, not just specifically against Al-Qaeda, | :13:50. | :13:54. | |
but, of course, it went much further. It went further in | :13:54. | :13:58. | |
Afghanistan, it is still there with the desperate effort to stop the | :13:58. | :14:04. | |
Taliban, but, also, in Iraq. I wonder that it today, 10 years on, | :14:04. | :14:14. | |
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you are ready to acknowledge that Why would I do that? What it did | :14:18. | :14:22. | |
was it gave us an enormous amount of intelligence we would not have | :14:22. | :14:27. | |
had, it tied up the people planning to attack and harmless inactivity | :14:27. | :14:31. | |
is there so they could not conduct those activities here. With the | :14:31. | :14:37. | |
loss of hundreds of thousands of civilian lives in those countries. | :14:37. | :14:47. | |
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In Iraq Mac and Afghanistan, there are numbers of NGOs that put the | :14:50. | :14:54. | |
number at that. -- in Iraq. If the fact of the matter is that this was | :14:54. | :15:04. | |
an attack outside -- from outside the United States and perpetrated | :15:04. | :15:08. | |
inside United States. When we did not respond, we were continually | :15:08. | :15:15. | |
attacked. When we finally did respond, we kept our homeland safe. | :15:15. | :15:20. | |
That is the responsibility of the United States - to keep the United | :15:20. | :15:26. | |
States safe. If it were not for our military, I do not believe our | :15:26. | :15:32. | |
country would have been safer over the last ten years. Can you truly | :15:32. | :15:41. | |
ever win a military victory over fanatical ideas? Yes. You can? Sure. | :15:41. | :15:46. | |
Didn't we defeat Hitler? That is, I suppose, the point. Can you compare | :15:46. | :15:54. | |
the threat posed by Al-Qaeda and its network of jihadi terrorists | :15:54. | :15:59. | |
with the threat posed by Nazism and Hitler. If you ask the family | :15:59. | :16:04. | |
members of people who died here, they would tell you, from their | :16:04. | :16:09. | |
point of view, their threat was just as bad. Did they have the | :16:09. | :16:17. | |
capacity to invade and capture all of Europe? No. Did they have the | :16:17. | :16:21. | |
capacity to kill or injure hundreds of thousands of people? Yes, and | :16:21. | :16:27. | |
they have demonstrated that. The head of the MI5 in the UK | :16:27. | :16:31. | |
specifically said she believed America had been wrong to turn this | :16:31. | :16:35. | |
into an all out war in the way the Bush administration did. She said, | :16:35. | :16:45. | |
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in a way, that served to give credos, status to the jihadis. | :16:47. | :16:51. | |
Thank goodness she was not President of the United States | :16:51. | :16:54. | |
because if she was we probably would have been attacked a dozen | :16:54. | :16:58. | |
times between then and now. The one thing you cannot argue with is that | :16:58. | :17:07. | |
President Bush and President Obama have kept the United States safe. | :17:07. | :17:12. | |
You have written this in the last couple of days. You said that while | :17:12. | :17:15. | |
the lessons learned from 9/11 is that America requires a long-term | :17:15. | :17:18. | |
presence in those parts of the world that continued to endanger | :17:18. | :17:22. | |
rus. Does that mean you believe that talk of a draw down in | :17:22. | :17:32. | |
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Afghanistan, for example, the withdrawal of the United States is | :17:35. | :17:45. | |
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a bad idea? Not if we keep troops there. Maybe we should not do it in | :17:46. | :17:55. | |
2015. Perhaps we should do what later. This is totally unknown to | :17:55. | :17:59. | |
do these things on irresponsible political timetables. The objective | :17:59. | :18:06. | |
in Afghanistan is to make sure that Afghanistan is left in a situation | :18:06. | :18:10. | |
that is not a danger to us any more. That is the reason we are there - | :18:10. | :18:14. | |
to protect the people of the United States. If we can prove that we | :18:14. | :18:20. | |
have accomplished that goal, we should leave. If we cannot, we | :18:20. | :18:24. | |
should remain. We have to be ready to retain a significant military | :18:24. | :18:28. | |
presence in the Middle East just like we did in Germany, just like | :18:28. | :18:38. | |
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we are to win in South Korea. -- doing. When you ran for office, | :18:39. | :18:44. | |
when you wanted to make a bid for the White House in 2007, you found | :18:44. | :18:50. | |
the American republic was not responding to your message, which | :18:51. | :18:58. | |
was primarily a security message. - - the American public. They did not | :18:58. | :19:05. | |
get a chance to respond to my message. I was in an American | :19:05. | :19:15. | |
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primary and John McCain one. -- won. John McCain seemed to have the best | :19:16. | :19:22. | |
ideas a national security and he won. I look at the challenges in | :19:22. | :19:32. | |
Afghanistan right now. Given the state of the US economy, the state | :19:32. | :19:36. | |
of finances here, America has to make important decisions which may | :19:36. | :19:40. | |
involve drawing down on its commitments overseas and, to use | :19:40. | :19:48. | |
President Obama's stage, focus on that nation-building here at home. | :19:48. | :19:53. | |
You can never put a limit on how to defend yourself and protect | :19:53. | :20:00. | |
yourself. No matter what the cost? Unless it is irresponsible spending, | :20:00. | :20:03. | |
unless it is fraudulent or irresponsible, which sometimes | :20:03. | :20:08. | |
happens in the area of national defence. We are not in the economic | :20:08. | :20:12. | |
condition we are in because of our defence spending, not even close to | :20:12. | :20:16. | |
that. Our defence spending is roughly the average percentage of | :20:17. | :20:23. | |
our GDP that it has been for the last 40 or 50 years, even less at | :20:23. | :20:28. | |
some points. That is an erroneous analysis of our budgetary situation. | :20:28. | :20:32. | |
We are out of control because we cannot control the cost of | :20:32. | :20:37. | |
healthcare. The reality is we need a presence in the Middle East for a | :20:37. | :20:42. | |
long period of time. The leadership requires explaining that to the | :20:42. | :20:49. | |
American people and developing the patients we had during the Cold War. | :20:49. | :20:59. | |
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If that is what leadership requires -- patience. If that is what | :21:00. | :21:09. | |
leadership requires, would you consider running again? You are | :21:09. | :21:15. | |
worried that people are not issuing the message you are, which is the | :21:15. | :21:19. | |
front and centre importance of national security. There are some | :21:19. | :21:22. | |
people on the Republican side who are running who understand that. | :21:22. | :21:27. | |
Some understand that better. My position will be based on whether I | :21:27. | :21:31. | |
think one of those candidates can win and do the right job for the | :21:31. | :21:39. | |
country. If they do not, I will make the decision to run. It may be | :21:39. | :21:44. | |
that you have to convince the Republican party that you will are | :21:44. | :21:48. | |
as socially conservative as they would like. Now you have located | :21:48. | :21:53. | |
the reason why I did not win. The reason I did not win had nothing to | :21:53. | :21:56. | |
do with national security. John McCain had the same views on | :21:56. | :22:00. | |
national security as I do. The reason I did not win was because I | :22:00. | :22:10. | |
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am considered too socially moderate. I cannot change. You're telling me | :22:16. | :22:20. | |
that if you run for the White House it will not go anywhere. People | :22:20. | :22:25. | |
have to decide whether these things are or frees not important. My | :22:25. | :22:35. | |
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views are my views. -- or are not. I want to return to the meaning of | :22:36. | :22:40. | |
this particular place where we are right now. Everyone in America | :22:40. | :22:44. | |
seems to be talking about extracting the meaning from 9/11. | :22:44. | :22:50. | |
Some argue that actually, although which felt... I was in North | :22:50. | :23:00. | |
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America at the time. Although it felt that the world changed | :23:01. | :23:04. | |
completely on that terrible day, maybe it did not change as much as | :23:04. | :23:11. | |
we thought. I do you think it changed at all. I think 11th | :23:11. | :23:15. | |
September allowed us to perceive more clearly the realities that | :23:15. | :23:21. | |
have been going on in the world since the 1960s. This was not the | :23:21. | :23:24. | |
first terrorist attack. It was not the first terrorist attack on | :23:24. | :23:34. | |
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America. What this did was not change anything going on in the | :23:36. | :23:40. | |
world, it changed our appreciation of the world. I think someone | :23:40. | :23:47. | |
attributed to Bin Laden, I think I am right about this, maybe one of | :23:47. | :23:54. | |
the terrorist leaders, that this attack turned out to be a mistake | :23:54. | :23:56. | |
because it awakened a sleeping giant. I think it was a terrible | :23:56. | :24:02. | |
mistake for them because, even if it takes 20 or 30 years, Islamic | :24:02. | :24:06. | |
extremist terrorism will eventually be destroyed. Rudolph Giuliani, we | :24:06. | :24:13. | |
have to leave it there but thank you very much for being on HARDtalk. | :24:13. | :24:23. | |
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To bring the week to a close, we have a warmer day, feeling quite | :24:31. | :24:36. | |
muggy and humid too. That moist air means we start off with quite a bit | :24:36. | :24:43. | |
of cloud. As the sun comes out, the air tract across means temperatures | :24:43. | :24:46. | |
will shoot up higher than recent days. We start of milder, wet | :24:46. | :24:56. | |
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across the UK. Temperatures already in the mid-teens. For more than | :25:00. | :25:05. | |
England, some heavy rain around, particularly to the east of the | :25:05. | :25:09. | |
Pennines. For the South, a lot of cloud. Some brighter spells but not | :25:09. | :25:13. | |
that much widespread sunshine initially. As we head towards the | :25:13. | :25:18. | |
south coast, a lot of low cloud getting fed in off the Channel. We | :25:18. | :25:23. | |
have a great prospect here. More to the south-west - a lot of low cloud, | :25:23. | :25:27. | |
hill fog and a similar story for Wales. Your best chance for early | :25:27. | :25:32. | |
morning brightness is to move up the Welsh mountains. Northern | :25:32. | :25:40. | |
Ireland off to a dry footing. The overnight rain will clear. Looking | :25:40. | :25:45. | |
at the bigger picture, you will see that rain does linger for Scotland | :25:45. | :25:49. | |
but gradually eases across northern England. It is a much brighter | :25:49. | :25:52. | |
prospect to the east of the Pennines through the afternoon. | :25:52. | :25:57. | |
Elsewhere, a relatively dry story but struggling to see decent spells | :25:57. | :26:03. | |
of sunshine in the West. The East has promising temperatures later in | :26:03. | :26:10. | |
the day. Quite possibly 23 or 24 across eastern England. Low 20s | :26:10. | :26:13. | |
towards the West and a shade cooler to the west of Scotland. All that | :26:13. | :26:17. | |
warm air is coming of his pocket associated with this area of low | :26:17. | :26:22. | |
pressure coming from the West. Tightly-packed isobars means strong | :26:22. | :26:25. | |
winds and this cold weather Fund will bring another set of changes | :26:25. | :26:33. | |
for the weekend. Outbreaks of rain on Saturday. They will work | :26:33. | :26:42. | |
eastwards on Sunday. Still Printy - makes a pretty warm on Saturday -- | :26:42. | :26:46. | |
still pretty warm on Saturday evening. Outbreaks of rain getting | :26:46. | :26:50. |