It is ten years since Kosovo became Europe's newest nation. Stephen Sackur speaks to Ramush Haradinaj, Kosovo's prime minister. Can the country escape its troubled history?
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Welcome to Hardtalk, I am Stephen
Sackur. It is ten years since Kosovo | 0:00:22 | 0:00:27 | |
became Europe's newest nation. It
has not been an easy decade. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:33 | |
Relations with neighbouring Serbia
remain hostile, and international | 0:00:33 | 0:00:39 | |
recognition has been patchy. Kosovo
is still struggling to get on top of | 0:00:39 | 0:00:45 | |
endemic poverty and corruption. My
guest today is Kosovo's Prime | 0:00:45 | 0:00:50 | |
Minister Ramush Haradinaj. Can
Kosovo escape its troubled history? | 0:00:50 | 0:00:55 | |
Ramush Haradinaj, welcome to
Hardtalk. Thank you. You have had | 0:01:23 | 0:01:28 | |
ten years of Kosovan independence.
To the outsider it looks like a | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
story of hopes dashed and ambitions
thwarted. Is that what it feels like | 0:01:31 | 0:01:39 | |
to you? The foundation of a state,
it is there. It is ten years, if not | 0:01:39 | 0:01:47 | |
anything else, it has been learning
to be ourselves. Facing and making | 0:01:47 | 0:01:53 | |
mistakes, learning from our
mistakes. And Kosovo exists in | 0:01:53 | 0:01:58 | |
strong foundation. Do you really
think so? Yes. When one looks at | 0:01:58 | 0:02:05 | |
Kosovo today, one sees that despite
claims to independence, a | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
significant nation, with Russia and
China, but five Nations within the | 0:02:08 | 0:02:14 | |
EU do not even recognise your
sovereign independence. This is not | 0:02:14 | 0:02:20 | |
the end of the project today, where
we are. Infrastructure, economy, it | 0:02:20 | 0:02:30 | |
exists. Institutions of the state
exist. Today, we are members of | 0:02:30 | 0:02:41 | |
different international
organisations, and have been | 0:02:41 | 0:02:42 | |
recognised by a number of
organisations. We are in the | 0:02:42 | 0:02:49 | |
direction to be a member of UN and
the EU. We do not stop here. What | 0:02:49 | 0:02:57 | |
you want to tell me is the direction
of travel is positive that if one | 0:02:57 | 0:03:02 | |
looks at recent developments, for
example, the European Parliamentary | 0:03:02 | 0:03:06 | |
reporter on Kosovo says that because
of actions your government has | 0:03:06 | 0:03:12 | |
taken, Kosovo is no "Off the train
of liberalisation of its | 0:03:12 | 0:03:17 | |
relationship with the European
Union". In other words, you are | 0:03:17 | 0:03:21 | |
going in the wrong direction? We had
some challenges, there were | 0:03:21 | 0:03:30 | |
different topics of discussion but
finally we are structured again, | 0:03:30 | 0:03:36 | |
going in the right direction. How do
you feel, then, when Jean-Claude | 0:03:36 | 0:03:41 | |
Juncker, the president of the
European Commission, says quite | 0:03:41 | 0:03:43 | |
openly that when it comes to the
Balkans, Serbia and Montenegro are | 0:03:43 | 0:03:48 | |
at the front of the queue for EU
membership. They would like to see | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
them inside the club by 2025 and he
gives no indication at all that | 0:03:52 | 0:03:56 | |
there is a target date for Kosovo.
Many people believe it is impossible | 0:03:56 | 0:04:01 | |
to imagine Kosovo inside the EU. In
Russia, they do not even showing our | 0:04:01 | 0:04:08 | |
flag because they do not recognise
us. But their problem is your | 0:04:08 | 0:04:12 | |
problem, that is my point. Yes, and
I had congratulations from them on | 0:04:12 | 0:04:21 | |
our tenth anniversary of
independence. We exist, we are a | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
member of the family. We have to
find a solution to be recognised and | 0:04:24 | 0:04:32 | |
with Serbia. That is something that
has to happen. You have led me to my | 0:04:32 | 0:04:37 | |
next question. The key to
normalisation of your statehood and | 0:04:37 | 0:04:40 | |
your future. That is, the
relationship with Serbia. How are | 0:04:40 | 0:04:45 | |
you going to move from the current
suspicion and mistrust, the | 0:04:45 | 0:04:49 | |
hostility, to a normalised
relationship with your neighbour? We | 0:04:49 | 0:04:55 | |
have two strong arguments. One is
our constitution is an advanced one. | 0:04:55 | 0:05:02 | |
We had a very advanced Constitution.
The second is the position of Kosovo | 0:05:02 | 0:05:08 | |
Serbs in the country. A community
that is respected and granted the | 0:05:08 | 0:05:14 | |
most row is possible that a
constitution could grant their | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
community. Based on that, we have
cohesion -- the most rights. It is | 0:05:17 | 0:05:29 | |
one thing having constitutional
rights for the Serbian minority | 0:05:29 | 0:05:34 | |
written in the constitution but
another is safeguarding their | 0:05:34 | 0:05:38 | |
security. We did see a few weeks ago
a member of the Kosovo community | 0:05:38 | 0:05:42 | |
gunned down on the streets of
Mitchell Beazer. That is very tragic | 0:05:42 | 0:05:48 | |
news. The Deputy Prime Minister is a
Serb, and I have many colleagues I | 0:05:48 | 0:05:56 | |
work with from the north. But in
this case, nobody is pointing | 0:05:56 | 0:06:06 | |
fingers. But let me quote to you
another significant Kosovo | 0:06:06 | 0:06:14 | |
politician who has said that the
government wants to integrate the | 0:06:14 | 0:06:18 | |
land but not integrate us, the
people, the Serbs. This government | 0:06:18 | 0:06:26 | |
is doing, I would say, honest work
to respect Kosovo Serbs and | 0:06:26 | 0:06:33 | |
integrate the people, we work with
the people... In that case, why did | 0:06:33 | 0:06:41 | |
you, the Prime Minister, blocks the
planned Association of Serb | 0:06:41 | 0:06:45 | |
municipalities. The plans for
Serbian communities, why did you | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
like that? If you look at the other
cases, it did not function that | 0:06:48 | 0:07:00 | |
well. The cessation of
municipalities, it was presented. In | 0:07:00 | 0:07:07 | |
fact, our constitutional accord has
ruled on that. We are able to | 0:07:07 | 0:07:19 | |
implement the cessation based on our
Constitution. Essentially, you need | 0:07:19 | 0:07:23 | |
a settlement of your hostile
relationship with Serbia and Serbia | 0:07:23 | 0:07:27 | |
needs at too, without it Serbia
cannot join the EU in 2025 and you | 0:07:27 | 0:07:31 | |
cannot get recognition and a place
at the European table. You both need | 0:07:31 | 0:07:37 | |
it. You prepared to cede territory,
a little portion of territory in the | 0:07:37 | 0:07:47 | |
north of your nation, seed it to
Serbia to settle this dispute? You | 0:07:47 | 0:07:52 | |
are just throwing away everything in
the past. The pieces because of | 0:07:52 | 0:07:59 | |
people, not land or territories.
What is the answer to my question? | 0:07:59 | 0:08:08 | |
-- peace. Can you imagine giving
away territory to make final peace | 0:08:08 | 0:08:12 | |
with Serbia? My answer is this, this
has led to war is in the Balkans. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:17 | |
I'm not in favour of another one. We
are a victim, as Kosovo Albanians. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:26 | |
The whole wall stood with what
happened at the time. In changing | 0:08:26 | 0:08:32 | |
borders and mixing territories, that
is how tragedies happen. There is a | 0:08:32 | 0:08:39 | |
window of opportunity here. We have
a Prime Minister in Serbia. Yes, he | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
was a nationalist in the past that
he has become a man determined to | 0:08:42 | 0:08:47 | |
take Serbia towards a European
future. Too many people that means | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
he appears more broody for
compromise than Serbian leaders of | 0:08:50 | 0:08:54 | |
the past. He has talked about
wanting to respect the needs of | 0:08:54 | 0:08:59 | |
Serbia's children rather than
Serbia's ancestors. He, for you, is | 0:08:59 | 0:09:04 | |
a window of opportunity. You
prepared to reach out to him? We are | 0:09:04 | 0:09:09 | |
interested to sit at the table, and
to finish what is left between | 0:09:09 | 0:09:16 | |
Kosovo and Serbia. That is the
recognition. They are part of the | 0:09:16 | 0:09:21 | |
forgiveness. Not to forget but
forgiveness. I believe it is the | 0:09:21 | 0:09:26 | |
time to do so. We are prepared for
that but this is not a trade of | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
territories. This is not... You are
categorical about that. Some people | 0:09:29 | 0:09:34 | |
talk about a land swap that you
could give territory to the Serbs | 0:09:34 | 0:09:38 | |
and they can give territory to you
which is majority Kosovo Albanians. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:43 | |
The borders in the Balkans, and
today the territories are a result | 0:09:43 | 0:09:48 | |
of some wars from the past. If we
open that question it is a | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
never-ending story. We still have
rules, after the last tragedies. We | 0:09:51 | 0:09:59 | |
don't want to forget that. You talk
about wounds and tragedies. Another | 0:09:59 | 0:10:04 | |
element of Kosovo moving forward is
your nation truly accounting for the | 0:10:04 | 0:10:12 | |
recent past. This raises the issue
of justice. For crimes committed | 0:10:12 | 0:10:17 | |
during the period of war in the late
90s. You appeared to support a | 0:10:17 | 0:10:28 | |
special legal chamber created in
2015 by the Kosovan parliament, to | 0:10:28 | 0:10:34 | |
investigate historical crimes. Then,
you appear to change your mind. You | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
told the press in January that you
were not for the court, in | 0:10:37 | 0:10:44 | |
opposition, and against it now. Be
clear with me, are you for or | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
against the court? Kosovo was open
and transparent, for the past and | 0:10:47 | 0:10:57 | |
for the truth. And for the right of
victims and the rights of people and | 0:10:57 | 0:11:04 | |
all allegations. The United Nations
administrated Kosovo for nine years | 0:11:04 | 0:11:10 | |
and established courts, prosecutors
and prosecuted many Kosovo | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
Albanians. But people watching and
listening may not know that this | 0:11:13 | 0:11:17 | |
special chamber, the Kosovan
Parliament approved of it, would sit | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
in The Hague but follow Kosovan law
and would consider specific crimes | 0:11:20 | 0:11:26 | |
committed in the past. Are you for
or against the court? People in the | 0:11:26 | 0:11:30 | |
world deserve to know, to realise,
that this is the fourth operation to | 0:11:30 | 0:11:37 | |
bring justice to Kosovo. The first
was the United Nations, the second | 0:11:37 | 0:11:46 | |
was former Yugoslavia... You have
two trials. In the name of justice | 0:11:46 | 0:11:50 | |
on behalf of my nation. That was run
by the International criminal Court | 0:11:50 | 0:11:54 | |
at The Hague. The third is the
European rule of law... You are not | 0:11:54 | 0:12:01 | |
answering my question... On the
fourth one, it was judged only | 0:12:01 | 0:12:11 | |
Albanians, only for selected crimes,
and it was out of the country. I | 0:12:11 | 0:12:15 | |
would prefer that. But it was
ratified by the Kosovan Parliament? | 0:12:15 | 0:12:20 | |
Fair enough. Now you are denying...
No, not deniable. The court exists. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:29 | |
But it is good to realise when this
quarter rights, and the criticism of | 0:12:29 | 0:12:35 | |
this court, there is criticism of
this court. More to the point there | 0:12:35 | 0:12:42 | |
is criticism of this court from your
own brother. Like you he was a KLA | 0:12:42 | 0:12:48 | |
fighter and recently he has said
that KLA fighters will prevent | 0:12:48 | 0:12:52 | |
action by anyone who intends to
profit politically from making | 0:12:52 | 0:12:56 | |
arrests in this special court. It
sounds like you and your family are | 0:12:56 | 0:13:00 | |
doing whatever it takes to block
these activities. Not true at all. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:06 | |
We respect the rule of law. I did it
in my time, my brother did it. We | 0:13:06 | 0:13:13 | |
went to trial and court... He is not
prepared to go through this one. Why | 0:13:13 | 0:13:21 | |
profit politically, if you are
talking about justice or political | 0:13:21 | 0:13:25 | |
profit? There is something in these
answers. It has become a big issue, | 0:13:25 | 0:13:30 | |
inside and outside of the country. I
will quote you the head of the | 0:13:30 | 0:13:35 | |
Kosovo Democratic Institute. He says
the government shows immaturity and | 0:13:35 | 0:13:41 | |
signs of panic and is risking
isolation from the international | 0:13:41 | 0:13:46 | |
community who helped us declare
independence in the first place. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:51 | |
Umm, that is exaggerated! This is
not the case of the government of | 0:13:51 | 0:13:56 | |
Kosovo. It is a sustainable
government. A very serious one. But | 0:13:56 | 0:14:00 | |
it reflects the feelings and beliefs
of the nation. It is not always the | 0:14:00 | 0:14:06 | |
international community. Everything
they did, they did it right. The | 0:14:06 | 0:14:10 | |
Americans and Europeans are people
who helped deliver Kosovan | 0:14:10 | 0:14:16 | |
independence and... Sorry, to
continue, they say they condemn what | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
they see as backtracking on the
special chamber court and they say | 0:14:19 | 0:14:24 | |
there will be "Severe consequences
for Kosovo's International and | 0:14:24 | 0:14:28 | |
Yerevan antic integration if the
government continues on this course. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:32 | |
Can I put it more clearly? MPs of
our Parliament have criticised and | 0:14:32 | 0:14:39 | |
have different views to this court.
As a government, we respect | 0:14:39 | 0:14:43 | |
obligations that have been taken but
we have a respect for that criticism | 0:14:43 | 0:14:47 | |
as well. It is a well founded
criticism. In the 21st-century, it | 0:14:47 | 0:14:55 | |
is a mono ethnic court. And not
entirely clear with what you are | 0:14:55 | 0:15:00 | |
saying. You prepared to accept the
authority of this court and accept | 0:15:00 | 0:15:06 | |
its judgments? We always have been.
The Kosovo government and | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
institution always has been. After
any result, we stay under | 0:15:09 | 0:15:19 | |
obligations that we have taken but
we take obligation of the court. We | 0:15:19 | 0:15:32 | |
have one system operating out of the
country, it is the fourth operation | 0:15:32 | 0:15:36 | |
to bring justice. The second is mono
ethnic. And what about the specific | 0:15:36 | 0:15:41 | |
allegations but towards the Council
of Europe, which may well end up | 0:15:41 | 0:15:47 | |
before the special chamber. The KLA,
you were a senior commander of it in | 0:15:47 | 0:15:52 | |
Kosovo during the war, the KLA were
involved not just in murders, | 0:15:52 | 0:15:58 | |
torture, rape victims, but also in
organised in people smuggling and | 0:15:58 | 0:16:04 | |
drugrunning -- rape of victims.
Should those allegations be aired in | 0:16:04 | 0:16:09 | |
this special court? Many people
would find the verdict in my case. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:14 | |
You would see what an honourable
Judge says in the end of a second | 0:16:14 | 0:16:22 | |
trial, they proved that the KLA were
not doing that. They did not find | 0:16:22 | 0:16:25 | |
that we have been doing that. I
believe the allegations are false. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:33 | |
Let's talk about the different ways
on how the international community | 0:16:33 | 0:16:38 | |
are concerned about backtracking
from your government. It concerns | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
the separate border dispute that you
have with Montenegrin. It looked as | 0:16:41 | 0:16:45 | |
though you, the Kosovan government
in 2015, were prepared to reach a | 0:16:45 | 0:16:51 | |
deal with Montenegrin --
Montenegrin. I believe that involved | 0:16:51 | 0:16:55 | |
sending back several thousand
hectares back to the Montenegro | 0:16:55 | 0:17:03 | |
government. You said that the border
agreement was not transparent to our | 0:17:03 | 0:17:07 | |
Parliament. Does that mean you no
longer accept the agreement? We have | 0:17:07 | 0:17:17 | |
reached consensus with the
Montenegrin government, they have | 0:17:17 | 0:17:23 | |
agreed to review and correct in two
directions where the dispute was. It | 0:17:23 | 0:17:29 | |
gives enough arguments to vote it in
our Parliament. In the next few days | 0:17:29 | 0:17:35 | |
hopefully we will be coming together
to rectify it. Until you ratify, the | 0:17:35 | 0:17:41 | |
European Union has said it will not
consider these liberalisation is for | 0:17:41 | 0:17:46 | |
Kosovans who want to travel inside
of the EU. There is linkage, once | 0:17:46 | 0:17:53 | |
again the Europeans are judging the
Kosovan government of failing to | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
live up to international standards
and unless you do so, your | 0:17:56 | 0:18:00 | |
relationship with the EU will
clearly suffer. It is very strange, | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
the fact that that would happen,
Visa liberalisation. We are members | 0:18:03 | 0:18:13 | |
of Nato and still have disputes on
their own borders -- they are | 0:18:13 | 0:18:17 | |
members of Nato. It is very unfair.
But cat Brussels attitude to | 0:18:17 | 0:18:24 | |
Brussels -- but if you look at
brussels attitude to Kosovo today, | 0:18:24 | 0:18:30 | |
you are the poorest country in
Europe. According to the CIA fact | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
book, they release one every year
looking at the basics of every | 0:18:34 | 0:18:38 | |
economy, they reckon that your youth
unemployment is close to 60%. Your | 0:18:38 | 0:18:45 | |
average income is a tiny fraction of
the EU average. Your economy is so | 0:18:45 | 0:18:49 | |
far behind, it is, again, very hard
to see how you could ever get close | 0:18:49 | 0:18:56 | |
to acceptable convergence. OK... In
Europe, you are becoming older and | 0:18:56 | 0:19:01 | |
older. You are the youngest nation
in Europe, as population. And many | 0:19:01 | 0:19:08 | |
people had to leave the country
because there are no jobs? In the | 0:19:08 | 0:19:12 | |
case of producing an offer in your
countries, in Kosovo, they have | 0:19:12 | 0:19:18 | |
potential. In energy, in the mining
sector, in food production and in | 0:19:18 | 0:19:26 | |
innovation. Young and talented
people. They are like that because | 0:19:26 | 0:19:30 | |
we inherited no economy at all. The
war devastated Kosovo. No | 0:19:30 | 0:19:37 | |
infrastructure at all. Today, we are
nearly finishing the highways of our | 0:19:37 | 0:19:44 | |
country, railways need to be
constructive. Water and electricity | 0:19:44 | 0:19:49 | |
supply to families, not just for
houses and businesses but for the | 0:19:49 | 0:19:54 | |
whole country. We have an investment
in energy of 1,000,000,000.3. -- 1.3 | 0:19:54 | 0:20:03 | |
billion. Kosovo is struggling but
here we are. Yes, and with an | 0:20:03 | 0:20:09 | |
economy that is far behind the
European standard, we can agree. But | 0:20:09 | 0:20:13 | |
also an economy that has laid low by
corruption. Corruption is killing | 0:20:13 | 0:20:18 | |
economic growth in your country. I
mean, the UK ambassador recently | 0:20:18 | 0:20:24 | |
gave a presentation in Pristina, in
which he said "There was no need for | 0:20:24 | 0:20:30 | |
me to explain just how bad
corruption is in Kosovo. You all | 0:20:30 | 0:20:35 | |
know this phenomenon roots
democracy, prevents any economic | 0:20:35 | 0:20:39 | |
development and undermines where so
many of your people gave sacrifice". | 0:20:39 | 0:20:49 | |
In the latest ranking of countries,
we have improved by ten positions. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:54 | |
Kosovo has improved in the fight
against corruption. That is from | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
appalling took what Mike Riddle not
-- that is from appalling to not | 0:20:57 | 0:21:05 | |
quite so appalling. I am six months
in the job. My commitment is only to | 0:21:05 | 0:21:12 | |
make a difference and difference is
happening now. Kosovo has a rule of | 0:21:12 | 0:21:19 | |
law that fights corruption and
fights crime, and fights against | 0:21:19 | 0:21:23 | |
other threats that the world is
today facing. Another way in which | 0:21:23 | 0:21:27 | |
Europe looks at Kosovo and has
concerns is on security issues. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:34 | |
Kosovo is a very interesting
European nation because you are 90%, | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
or more, Muslim. He had very
explicitly said in the past that | 0:21:37 | 0:21:42 | |
there has been a problem with
radicalisation of some people in | 0:21:42 | 0:21:46 | |
Kosovo, some of them, hundreds of
them, went to fight with so-called | 0:21:46 | 0:21:50 | |
Islamic state in Iraq and Syria.
Your security agencies have said | 0:21:50 | 0:21:55 | |
that you are concerned that some
have returned to your territory. How | 0:21:55 | 0:22:02 | |
can you reassure Europe that your
government is on top of this | 0:22:02 | 0:22:06 | |
potentially very grave security
problem? Not just for yourselves, | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
but for Europe? Kosovo is multi-year
-- multiethnic. A majority | 0:22:09 | 0:22:15 | |
Albanians. We have had questions
since Ottoman times. We adopted the | 0:22:15 | 0:22:21 | |
Muslim religion -- Chris Jones. We
are very much linked to our own | 0:22:21 | 0:22:27 | |
national identity as being Albanian.
It is an identity that we represent | 0:22:27 | 0:22:34 | |
ourselves with that. Let me ask you
bluntly, you see the nature of the | 0:22:34 | 0:22:38 | |
rise of populism and nationalism in
many different parts of the European | 0:22:38 | 0:22:43 | |
Union. Do you believe there is a
prejudice or a bias against Kosovo, | 0:22:43 | 0:22:50 | |
because it is predominantly Muslim?
No, no. I think in Europe, they | 0:22:50 | 0:22:55 | |
realise who we are. We are
Albanians, we are the nation of | 0:22:55 | 0:22:59 | |
Mother Teresa, of Dua Lipa, no. This
was said by the EU special | 0:22:59 | 0:23:17 | |
representative in Pristina. She said
there is just the other day of | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
Kosovo. She said there is a window
of opportunity here, if the | 0:23:20 | 0:23:25 | |
political establishment really takes
to heart the European reform agenda. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:31 | |
But it is not a very big window. Do
you think your country is capable of | 0:23:31 | 0:23:37 | |
seizing this moment, this
opportunity? I think we are to be | 0:23:37 | 0:23:45 | |
applauded as a nation. To see the
war 20 years ago and where we are | 0:23:45 | 0:23:50 | |
today, it proved that we do find a
way, even though it is very | 0:23:50 | 0:23:55 | |
difficult. Our challenges are
specific but we find a way to become | 0:23:55 | 0:24:01 | |
a member of the EU family, and the
United Nations. You don't ever doubt | 0:24:01 | 0:24:08 | |
that, even after ten difficult
years, no doubts? No. Kosovo will be | 0:24:08 | 0:24:13 | |
a member of the EU and Nato, and the
United Nations. We have two end | 0:24:13 | 0:24:21 | |
there, but Ramush Haradinaj, thank
you very much for being on Hardtalk. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:25 | |
Thank you. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:35 |
It is ten years since Kosovo became Europe's newest nation. It has not been an easy decade. Relations with neighbouring Serbia remain hostile and international recognition has been patchy, with Kosovo is still struggling to get on top of endemic poverty and corruption. Stephen Sackur speaks to Ramush Haradinaj, Kosovo's prime minister. Can Kosovo escape its troubled history?