Terror Attacks Statement House of Commons

formed, such as though in a position for us to give that information to

them. Thank you to colleagues and the Prime Minister for the

corporation. The Secretary of State for the Home Department, secretary

Amber Road. With permission, I'd like to make a statement about the

terrorist attacks we have seen since Parliament last sat. There has been

no summer like it. When we rose seven weeks ago, we left this house

in the wake of the worst terrorist attack our country had seen in over

a decade. With the attacker striking at the heart of our democracy. He

was foiled that day by one of our brave police officers, but

tragically, it has proved to be the first of many attempts to bring

terror and hate to our streets. Two months later, a cowardly and

devastating attack on Manchester left 22 people dead and 59 injured,

after a suicide bomber targeted children at a concert in the

Manchester Arena. On the 3rd of June, a van was deliberately driven

into pedestrians on London Bridge, before three men got out of the

vehicle and began stabbing people in nearby borough market. Eight people

were killed and 40 injured. On Monday, one year after Jo Cox was

brutally murdered, we walked to the news of the return of far right

terror, when a man viciously drove into a group of Muslim worshippers

in north London. One man, who had fallen ill before the attack, died

and nine others were treated in hospital. Westminster, the

Manchester Arena, London Bridge and now Finsbury Park. 36 innocent

people dead and over 150 hospitalised. A tragic loss of

innocent life. Last week, I met a mother and father who had lost

daughter in the vicious attacks on London Bridge. She'd been stabbed

while out celebrating her new job with a friend. Just under two weeks

before, she planned to be at the Arena in Manchester when the

attacker committed his heinous crimes, but she decided not to use a

ticket. She came to London for a once-in-a-lifetime experience, but

instead, it was the last trip she ever made. I know everyone in this

house will want to join me in expressing our sorrow for the paying

her family will be feeling, and all those families who have lost loved

ones. As well as passing on our thoughts and prayers are with those

victims who are still trying to recover from the trauma and tragedy

of these events, I also know the house will want to join me in

acknowledging the incredible efforts of our emergency services during

this difficult period. The events of recent months served to remind us of

the brevity, professionalism and above all, incredible sacrifice made

by those who work to keep us safe. As Home Secretary, there is nothing

more saddening than standing before Parliament to deliver a statement

like this. These acts of terrorism represented the very worst of

humanity. They seek to spread fear, intolerance, hate. Countering this

threat has always been a crucial part of the work of this government.

That's why we have introduced measures to disrupt foreign fighters

and that's why we have passed the investigatory Powers act, which

gives the police and intelligence service more powers and tools that

they need to keep the public safe. And that is why, just seven weeks

ago, we legislated to strengthen our response to terrorist financing,

with the Criminal Finances Act. We have also protected police spending

in real terms since 2015, increased counterterrorism budgets and funded

an uplift in armed police officers. We are now in the process of

recruiting over 1900 additional security and intelligence staff.

The Channel programme which offers support for people at assessed for

risk of extremism... Social media providers have removed 270,000

pieces of illegal terrorist material since feathery, 2010. But we are

entering a new phase of global terrorism and many of the challenges

we face are unprecedented. -- February, 2010. We are experiencing

a new trend in the threat we face. Between June, 2013, and the

Westminster Bridge attack in March of this year, the security services

foiled 13 plots linked to or inspired by Islamist extremists, but

since just then, we have seen five plots prevented as well as three

such Islamist extremist plots succeeding and the appalling attack

of course at Finsbury Park earlier this week. We must do more, we must

do more to defeat ideologies of hatred by turning people's minds

away from violence towards pluralistic British values. We must

make sure these ideologies are not able to flourish in the first place.

We must do more to force technology companies to take down terror

related content from their platforms. We must also do more to

identify a challenge and stamp out the extremism that lurks in our

communities. That is why we will be setting up a commission for

countering extremism. But just as the Labour government in the 1970s

set us on a course to tackling racial inequality in this country,

by setting up the commission for racial equality, we need and must do

more to tackle these extremists who seek to radicalise and weaponised

young people in Britain today. Doing more also means asking difficult

questions about what has gone wrong. In light of the terrorist attacks in

London and Manchester, Britain's counterterrorism strategy will be

reviewed to make sure the police and the security services have what they

need to keep us safe. In addition to this, there will be a review of the

handling of recent terror attacks to look at whether lessons can be

learnt about our approach. I am pleased to announce David Anderson,

former independent reviewer of terrorism legislation, will be

overseeing it. What we have witnessed in Manchester, and in

London, are the depraved actions of murderers, intend to tear apart the

country. But each act of hate has been met by overwhelming defiance.

In Borough Market recently, I saw stallholders dishing out olives into

plastic pots, shoppers searching for delicious treats and tourists

flicking through guidebooks in the shadow of the Shard. Rather than

being divided, people seemed even closer together. We should follow

that example of the traders and shoppers Borough Market. What

terrorists want is for us to fear and to turn in on one another. But

we will never give terrorists what they want. We will stand together

and we will make the point that terrorists will never win, that our

values, our country, our unity will prevail. I commend this statement to

the house. On this side of the House, we are grateful to the Home

Secretary for her statement. We would like to offer our condolences

to all the victims and their families of the Westminster,

Manchester, London Bridge and Borough Market attacks and most

recently, Finsbury Park. 36 innocent people dead, 150 people

hospitalised, too many families were children or parents will never come

home and too many people, particularly children, who have seen

sites which they may never be able to once. And whole communities have

been traumatised. We also want to commend all of the emergency

services, including police, fire, British Transport Police, and NHS

staff, for their swift actions, running towards danger, coming in

off shift which undoubtably prevented with injuries and saved

lives, and I would like to say a word about the Imam at the Finsbury

Park Mosque. This was an Imam who put himself at risk to protect and

defend the alleged assailant who had driven over so many people outside

the mosque and I believe this imam exemplifies the best of the values

of Islam in relation to peace and justice but also the best of British

values. I would also like to say about the community around the

Finsbury Park Mosque, I was there this week, I met people of all

faiths, Christian leaders, Jewish leaders, including my constituents,

and of course, Muslim leaders, working together to heal the

community and take the community forward. And I believe the way that

multi-faith and into community cooperation is working in practice

in that area of London shows us the way forward in the end in the long

run, in contesting the ideology of sea and violence and terror. -- sea

and violence. The variety of these attacks and their different type and

varied backgrounds of perpetrators reveal that we face multiple

threats. No single type of person and no single community is the sole

source of these attacks. We all face these attacks and we must all face

them together. Of course, the blame for the attacks lies solely with the

perpetrators and any murderous supporters they may have. But it is

reasonable for this House to say that the role of government is to

secure the safety of our citizens and it is reasonable of the House to

ask, has everything been done that could reasonably have been done? I

noted the actions the Government has taken in the Home Secretary was that

statement and largely on the side of the House we support them. But we

would warn against an emphasis on more legislation rather than looking

at the issue of resources. We will look at all legislative proposals

that the Government brings forward on their merits, but we believe that

resources is at the heart of this, not just new legislation. And in

that view, we are supported by Max Hill, the independent reviewer of

terrorism legislation. His objective view current powers are sufficient,

he told the BBC, after the Prime Minister's speech calling for more

powers, I quote, my view, coming into the scrutiny which we are told

the Prime Minister wants to conduct is that we do have the appropriate

laws in place and eventually the police and security services and

those whose job it is to keep us safe to have the powers at their

disposal. But he did add, there was a case for increased used of TPIMs.

On the question of resources, it is one thing to talk about specialist

policing and security resources, but we cannot overstate on this side of

the House the importance of neighbourhood policing. It is that

neighbourhood engagement, at all levels, often on what might seem

simple ways, that build the confidence in communities of

officialdom and the government and encourages people to come forward

with information which may help us to stop future terrorist activity

happening. And we have said, and we continue to say, it was wrong that

since 2010, we have lost 20,000 in police numbers, and we oppose

further cuts to the police budget is now in the pipeline. The Home

Secretary keeps saying that this government has protected police

budgets. I have to tell the Home Secretary, there are no policing

stakeholders, including the Police Federation, that supports her in

saying police budgets and resources have not been hit. Will the Home

Secretary now, when we are being told austerity must end, commit to

halting these cuts or does austerity still apply to our safety? Senior

retired officers have said the police cuts have gone too far will

stop the Home Secretary will have heard, like myself, that Mark

Rowley, the Assistant Commissioner at the Met Police, he has written to

you saying in terms that counterterrorism is not able to

operate effectively because of demands in other areas of policing

and if these resources were diverted to counterterrorism, other areas of

policing would suffer. What Mark Rowley is saying is that cuts have

consequences. Your cuts run the risk of putting us all in danger. Our

understanding on this side is you will cut again. Order. Order. Can I

just at this very early stage of the Parliament say something that I

think is quite important for future reference? There are time limits for

questioning on statements and in the last Parliament they were very

substantially disregarded and that cannot happen in this parliament

because it is not further back benches. Forgive me, the honourable

lady is extraordinarily articulate and very experienced, it is a point

that opposition spokespersons frequently do not seem to

understand. In responding to a statement, we are not looking for a

counter statement. What the chair is looking to hear, as provided for in

our procedures, is a very, very brief response, followed by a series

of questions. And that is the character of the response. On this

occasion, I will allow the honourable lady to finish, but I

hope she will be sensitive to quite a widespread feeling in the House

that she is approaching her peroration. But thereafter, we must

observe these limits. If they are not observed, very regretfully, I

will have to ask the spokesperson concerned to take his seat. Does the

Home Secretary accept that resources are as important as new institutions

and legislation? We welcome the measures to get internet companies

to block and takedown content promoting terrorism, but does the

Home Secretary accept the debate around the Prevent programme and a

need for a review and a need to refrain it is not just relating to

the Muslim community, but also the the Muslim community, but also the

far right terrorism? We would say on this side of the House that these

are issues on which there is considerable unity in the country as

a whole and we believe that the country as a whole wants to know

that we will not play into the terrorists' hands by stoking

divisions, demonising communities or rescinding our hard-won freedoms

under the law. I thank the right honourable lady for her comments and

the constructive way in which she has approached this and for my part,

we look forward to working with her, to make sure we do have a

constructive united approach to this enemy that is trying to attack us.

She asked particularly about new legislation. She is right Max Hill

has said he does not see the need for new legislation, but he has also

said he does see the need for a review of the sentences, so we will

certainly be looking at whether we can have tougher sentences. In terms

of new potential legislation, I would ask her just to hold fire for

now on concluding that to be the case until we have done the review.

The critical element that we have to do over the next few months is the

review of why so many terror attacks took place, looking backwards, and

for that, we will have this independent assurance in the form of

David Anderson, and also review looking ahead to what else we can

do. As I have said in my earlier statement, we feel we have entered a

new phase, it may mean we need new legislation, but we will not rush to

do that based on the attacks, we will look at doing that depending on

what we find out from the reviews. I would ask her to keep an open mind

depending on what conclusions are reached by the reviews. In terms of

resources, I bow to no one in my respect for the work the police do

and the work particularly the counterterrorism police have done

over the past few months. We all recognise the enormous extra work

and effort that has gone into making sure that they follow upon these

attacks and keep us safe. We have protected the police budget from

2015. There has been a lot of scaremongering about changes to the

budget. I can repeat here in the House that the budget will be

protected and we will make sure we always give the security services

and the police who do such work to keep us safe the resources that they

need. I greatly welcome her statements.

There were just two or three points I wanted to raise. The first days, I

particularly welcome that the sentencing guidelines will be

reviewed. I think that's something that ought to happen because of the

evidence that individuals may be receiving sentences that are

insufficient, although clearly they also need to be proportionate. The

second issue concerns the response and how our security services are

working to deal with this threat. She will be aware that this is an

area where the government has made very considerable investment. There

has been a great enhancement in money spent and the numbers of

officers available. Equally, it's right that because of the classified

nature of the work they do, some of the details cannot be given to this

house. That does emphasise to me that one of the problems we've had

over the last three and a half months, is that in reality, we have

not had an intelligence and Security committee in parliament able to

provide the scrutiny that might be helpful to members in understanding

what has been going on and what should be done in future and whether

there are improvements that could be made. Therefore, I gently urge her

to make representations to the Prime Minister that this should be given

priority. I thank him for his comments and I know he is well

experienced in this, having been chair of the intelligence and

Security committee. It's a very good point and I will follow up on his

suggestion that we get that committee established as soon as

possible, so we can give the house the confidence and providing the

assurance that they want. Can I start by adding the voice of the

Scottish National Party to those who condemn these terrible attacks and

also our sincere condolences to the family and friends of the dead and

our best wishes for a full recovery to those injured? They are also

welcome the Home Secretary back to place and say I look forward to

working with her on this and other important issues? The Finsbury Park

attack reminds us that terrorism is a threat to all communities in the

United Kingdom and therefore it's important that measures to

counteract extremism must never segregate or stigmatised communities

within the UK. I three questions. Firstly, I'm concerned that the

government's plans to establish a commission, while commendable,

without legislation, risk bypassing parliamentary scrutiny of the need

for legal certainty on the definition of terms such as

extremism and British values. How will she ensure that Parliament gets

to scrutinise these measures? Secondly, to fight terrorism

effectively, we believe we can use the legislation currently in place,

but what really matters is that the police and security services have

the resources necessary to act effectively under that legislation.

Will she confirm that such resources will in future be made available?

Finally, during the election campaign, the Prime Minister spoke

of ripping up human rights to fight terrorism. Will the Home Secretary

confirmed that there is nothing in the Human Rights Act or European

Convention on human rights that would prevent us in our approach to

terrorism, and will she confirm that there is no plan to take up human

rights? Thank you. I thank her for her question and for her kind

welcome. The commission for extremism, with the recommendations

it decides to make, will need to be brought back to Parliament. I would

expect there will be full-screen trio of what the recommendations are

when they are brought back to be taken forward by Parliament. In

terms of resources, I can confirm we will always provide resources

necessary to keep our citizens safe. We have already announced

substantial uplift to the security services. There are 1900 new people

joining the security services up till 2020. There is an increase in

the number of armed officers being made available in the country. Later

this year, we will be doing a full-scale counterterrorism

operation involving Scotland and we've always worked with them to

make sure we keep all parts of the UK safe. Will there be an

opportunity to give evidence to the commission for a countering

terrorism and extremism, based on the lessons we have learned in the

past for countering other totalitarian ideologies, like

commoners and Nazism? And does she the fact that these organisations

like Al-Qaeda rise and fall, but the underlying doctrine of what ought to

be called non-Islamic extremism exists and that has to be countered

and a government agency to counter it is what is required? He is

absolutely right, this comes in many different forms. I would expect the

commission for extremism to as for people to give evidence, so we can

make sure we collect the best information in order to do the best

job for our communities. Can I join with the Home Secretary in

remembering the victims and also paying tribute to the immense

bravery of the emergency services and also of the public, as well, and

join her in saying that extremists and terrorists must never divide us,

BB Islamist extremists or far right extremists. I welcome the proposal

for the review by David Anderson into these attacks. But she also

tell us a bit more about them and for example, the Manchester attacker

is reported to have been known to the intelligence services and also

to have travelled repeatedly to Libya. Could she tell us whether

this man was on a watchlist? Whether he was ever stopped by the border

force as part of those journeys, and also ensure that the relationship

between the intelligence services and border force is looked at as

part of David Anderson's review? I thank her, and she is right to draw

attention to this relationship with the border forces and the security

services. I would expect that is something we will look at as well. I

can give the additional details she is seeking at the moment. It is one

of the natures of the security services, that they do so much good

work, and were not really at liberty to talk too much about it, but I

would hope that the work he does with them, and really, it is getting

off to start almost immediately, will help find the answers to some

of those questions. How much they did know about him, whether there

were incidences that by Mr whether this was just part of a much greater

level of attacks we are sadly witnessing at the moment. Home

Secretary, can Askew in joining me in expressing condolences to Elaine

McIver, who was killed in the Manchester attack, an off-duty

police officer, who worked at police headquarters in my constituency. And

joining in the praise of Cheshire police, who went to the aid of their

Manchester colleagues, assisting in what was the desperate attack as

having a devastating effect on the local community. Can I ask the Home

Secretary to confirm that the additional armed officers will be

officers allocated across the country, including to Manchester and

Cheshire? I thank her for her question and of course, I will join

with her in paying tribute to the immense bravery of the example

particularly she gave of the off-duty policewoman. And also other

members of the public, who joined in to protect people. The work that

Manchester did in responding to the attack was heroic. I particularly

commend the Chief con is to Ian Hopkins, who did such good work, and

it was part of a very well practised and operated scheme, where other

forces came in to assist, they surged that assistance to make sure

that in police terms and emergencies terms that the resources were there

to protect people and look after people looking, going forward. I

welcome her statement. In the days following both the Manchester and

London Bridge attacks, a number of my constituents were arrested, with

suspicions around terrorism. This is the first time that has happened in

Barking and Dagenham. Most of my constituents, of all religions and

creeds and ethnicities, share with all of us the horror at the

outrages, the praise for the services and the feelings of empathy

for those that have been affected by it. However, she said in her

statement that those who perpetrated terrorism seek to spread fear,

intolerance and hatred. And I have concerns that in the aftermath of

the attacks, that that is precisely what could happen in my own

constituency. The Muslim community in particular are feeling very

vulnerable and very isolated. And the police have not been able to

give them the reassurance that they wanted. Will she take steps to make

sure that police resources are made available, so that there is a police

presence there, so that the allegations of race hate crimes that

are already growing, so that other instances to provide security for

all communities and therefore promote tolerance, are brought into

place rapidly and not left to fester. I have long known that the

right Honourable Lady is magnificent, but I had momentarily

forgotten that she is indeed a Dame. I hope she will forgive me. I thank

her for her question. I share her concerns that we have to make sure

we do not see an increase in Islam phobia. We must be a country that

can deal fairly with all communities. The Minister for

policing is meeting with the Met commissioner this afternoon and he

will make sure the reasons it with her. Thinking particularly of your

constituency in Barking. Can I thank her and threw her, the police and

security services, who put their lives on the line to keep us all

safe. Following on from the question to the Home Secretary, I think the

Home Secretary acknowledges that all our communities, and particularly

our Muslim communities, including mine in Cheshire, need to have

confidence in the protections afforded by those services. Will she

make sure that all our police forces have the resources to provide the

continuous training required for those officers needed to engage in

providing those assurances across our communities? She builds on the

question from the honourable lady about hate crime and boat what we

can do in our communities. I do agree with you that we have to make

sure our police have the best training, so they are aware of the

best way to approach what could be sensitive issues. We have the

National College of policing, which does provide that sort of training,

to make sure they have the information and they can learn the

best way to approach sensitive situations. I would also say that

last year, we published a hate action plan, to make sure people

have the confidence to report and we have the procedures to follow it up,

because we are in no way complacent about the need to always be on the

front foot, to reassure communities we will take seriously any instances

of hate crime. I associate myself and my party with the expressions of

the Home Secretary of sorrow and condolence for the victims of these

horrific attacks in Manchester and London. During my visit to the

Muslim welfare house in London, one of the messages from the leaders

there is that the strong message from the government on counter

extremism had so far failed to bring together all the voices from

different communities. Will the Home Secretary today guarantee that the

new commission for countering extremism will engage with all

groups and that no group that wants to help the government defeat

extremism will be excluded? I think it is absolutely essential to make

sure people are aware that the government's counter counter

extremism initiatives are not focused on any particular group.

They are focused on all extremism. I would like to remind people that 25%

of the additional part of Prevent that some people are put on are in

fact extreme right wing, and there are parts of the country where it is

extreme right wing that is the danger, rather than radical

extremist Islamist terrorism. I would assure him that we will make

sure we listen to all parts of the community to make sure that the

counter extremism commission has the opportunity to gather all the

information necessary. We have all seen images on our TV

screens of desperate families and friends going from hospital to

hospital catching ollie trying to get more information about their

loved ones -- trying to get. I appreciate helplines were set up an

I understand people can sometimes have injuries whereby they are not

recognisable, people often do My contempt for the bomb was that

this was not a thrash metal gate, it was meant for little girls. Do you

share my concern that far right hate preachers, that we need to

tightening some of their activities as well to prevent further Islam

phobia? He is absolutely right, we must recite hate, extreme right-wing

pilot hate as well as radical Islamic terrorism, whenever we find

it. I was the first Home Secretary to ban a far right group, National

Action, which was prescribed last year. We will continue to be

vigilant. I would like to thank her for coming to the Chamber today and

giving us the statement, an opportunity in this new parliament

to ask questions about these horrific attacks. My question is

very simple. And short. Can she update us on the progress in

recruiting the extra armed police officers? Yes, we have done I think

it is 650 so far, we are on schedule to do the rest as planned, and given

the circumstances we now find ourselves under, I will make sure we

do. Time is tight, I want to focus on Borough Market, the horrific

attack was meant with bacon -- a response that was second to none.

The Home Secretary said again today the terrorists will never win but it

does require more action so how is the Government ensuring tourists are

better protected and what budget is being made available to fit our

Lord's on bollards to protect civilians? How is the government

tremendous effort covered? We need ensuring the NHS is not a victim

tremendous effort covered? We need to prevent atrocities and also act

when they occur. The short, brutal attack was over quite quickly at

Borough Market, but it was closed for over a week, costing some of the

small traders tens of thousands of pounds. What is the Government doing

to make insurance companies pay out? Can I say how much I enjoyed my

visit to Borough Market recently? It was a pleasure to see it so vibrant

and I hope everyone will continue or go there to shop for the first time.

In terms of resources, we have put additional resources into the

security services and we will continue to do that. There is

additional money going into the armed police uplifts. We are doing

this review. The essential thing is to wait for the review so that we

know where we have polls, where we should be putting additional

support, rather than rushing in to do so? Can I tell him that after the

event at Southwark Cathedral, the memorial, I met some people who had

been out the hospital and it was a privilege to speak to them and hear

about the fantastic work they had done? At the weekend, I drove my

family back to London from my constituency, my wife and daughters

are Jewish, we were met by a protest where there were anti-Semitic

banners and chance and there were people waving Hezbollah flags which

has a big machine gun on it. To make a mockery of the law, somebody had

put a post-it note on one of the flags saying, you cannot arrest me

because I support the political wing of Hezbollah not the military wing.

If enough really is enough, will the Home Secretary Begin by taking

action against these rallies, ban them so they cannot happen on the

streets of London again and ensure the whole of Hezbollah is made a

proscribed organisation? I thank him for his question. It is always

distressing to see that sort of March going on and that sort of

provocation that he has described must have been very upsetting for

him and his family and I will certainly consider what he has

suggested and come back to discuss it will.

suggested and come back to discuss it On the one hand, I am keen to

accommodate the extensive interest in this matter, but I should advise

the House the business statement follows in which there is usually

interest and no fewer than 29 colleagues wish to speak in the

debate on the speech this afternoon debate on the speech

accommodate them. Brevity, please. of whom five would be

accommodate them. Brevity, please. One bit of advice. Be careful about

language. A lot of people are alienating when people talk about

careful about language. Are we going careful about language. Are we going

to just have one commission? As a West Yorkshire MP, neighbour of Jo

Cox, hard-working MPs working with communities, we know the Muslim

community is absolutely disgusted by the terrorist outrages. Could we not

have up and down the country local commissions working together? One

national one... Local ones would be a great advantage. I thank him for

his suggestion. When the commission gets started, I can put it to them

to see if it would enhance their work. I am fortunate to know the

Muslim community in West Yorkshire well and I wonder if the Home

Secretary could give further details of how the commission will work with

local communities for mutual benefit? We have an open mind to

working out the best way to approach the commission for extremism. We

will make sure it covers, as has been suggested, all parts of the

country, and that it clearly applies itself to rooting out and to

discovering information about extremism wherever it is found. When

we have more information, I will come back to you. According to

security sources, there are 150 Isis terrorists living either together or

working together or singling in Northern Ireland and the republic.

Can I ask whether she would ensure the security forces in Northern

Ireland, those in the UK mainland and the republic work together to

monitor and resource all of the police efforts to ensure those

people do not become a threat to all of us in the UK and Northern

Ireland? I thank the honourable gentleman for his question and we

are working with Northern Ireland and I will certainly take his

suggestion under an to ensure everyone is aware of his concerns

and that we continue to step up that work. -- under advisement. I welcome

the statement by the Home Secretary in answer to the question that she

believes she is on target to recruit the number of armed officers she is

seeking. I have been speaking to armed officers who protect us on the

estate and there is one piece of feedback which is they're worried

about the quality of potential recruits because of the disincentive

of automatic referral to the IPCC and I wonder if it is time to

consider whether that should still apply in terrorist attacks. I can

reassure my honourable friend but when it comes to certain terrorist

attacks, like the marauding firearms attack that are sometimes declared

when we have a terrorist attack, as we did here, they immediately state,

the IPCC, it is not necessary. There is a particularly different approach

when there is a terrorist attack, but in general, the IPCC do an

important job for creating a clear line that it is as useful to the

police as the rest of us. Can I say to the Home Secretary that... I join

with her in her congratulations to Ian Hopkins and all our public

services in both Manchester and London in the recent attacks, but

can I say, I set the budget for Greater Manchester Police for this

present year and that was a budget where I was faced with cuts from

central government but I'm not if she wants to bring us all together

to fight terrorism, she needs to recognise that combating terrorism

places strain on our police service. We need more police officers to come

back, not simply terrorism, but the other things modern police forces

do. I welcome him back to the House. We have protected the police budget

from 2015-2020. I would say to him that we will be doing this review in

order to find out what else we could do better to combat terrorism. The

security services or leading on the review looking at what has happened

in the past. We will have an open mind to what is needed, depending on

what the review reveals. At present, a person who pleads guilty to being

in possession of a well-known extremist publication including

instructions on making home-made bombs will be sentenced at just 14

months, out in seven months, still radicalised, still a danger. Does

she agree the time has come to toughen up sentences under section

57 and 58 of the Terrorism Act 2000? It is fair to say that is exactly

the sort of incident I was referring to in my comments earlier. We must

look at how the sentencing, as Max Hill has suggested, in those sorts

of instances. Can I express my deepest condolences to the victims

of the terror attacks and their families? We utterly condemn, like

most people in our country, the horrific attacks. Can I ask the Home

Secretary if she will heed the warnings of the Mayor of London and

the Metropolitan Police head about the ?400 million cuts which would

put prevention at risk? And also, can she update the House on where

she has got to in ensuring internet companies take down religious

extremist sites and far right sites immediately that promote violence? I

thank her for her important question and can I say that I have had

several meetings with the mayor of London I commend him for the work he

has done? He has been working closely with us to make sure we are

united on that right approach. I would refer... There are no plans

for police cuts. We have protected the budget and I hear those numbers,

I simply do not recognise them. In I simply do not recognise them. In

terms of the internet, we are making good progress, we have set up in the

UK and internet forum to try to get more action, we are taking down 2000

pieces of... They are taking down, after we asked them to, 2000 pieces

of hate material a week. There is more to do. We are hopeful of having

a constructive international agreement with them so that we can

get a really proactive approach from the internet companies. Can I thank

the Home Secretary for her statement? I know she will agree

that the people who have committed these atrocities and the idiots who

went to Torquay mosque in reprisal are two sides of the coin of hate.

How do we deal with both of those threats? Very good point to make. I

hope the commissioner will do exactly that, make it clear

extremism of any form is, as you say, two sides to the same coin. It

is unwelcome in this country and we need to find out what else we can do

to make sure we reduce it. Can I thank the Minister for her

statement? The recent attack on Finsbury Park Mosque, if reports are

correct, was premeditated attack by a self radicalised extremist. My

constituency knows more than most about the devastation that one

extremist can bring. Whilst I welcome the Home Secretary's

statement that 25% of the referrals to Prevent have been for far right

extremists, how many of these referrals have been acted upon? Can

I just take the opportunity to commend the work that the Jo Cox

foundation did on the great get-together last weekend and like

many members of the House, I took the opportunity of meeting many

Labour members as well so we could show is on the good coming out of

her horrible, terrible death? I have forgotten the question, I am so

sorry. How many referrals...? Yes, the Prevent activity is referrals

usually from schools can universities, community groups, and

then they are mostly acted on, only a small portion of them goes through

to the Channel programme and a disproportionately large number of

far right wing ones go through to the Channel programme. 25% of ones

that go through our extreme right wing. I can come back with more

numbers if she would like. Is the Home Secretary receiving sufficient

cooperation from the technology giants and social media companies in

her efforts to thwart terrorism and are they themselves putting

sufficient resources into removing inappropriate content?

I know he knows a little bit about this and I'm very grateful for his

question, because a lot of it is about making sure the tech companies

actually resource is sufficiently to make sure they don't just wait for

us to ask them to take down the hate material, but that they take action

to make sure it is not put up in the first place. We're working with

them. There are signs they will take action and they are making progress,

but I do not underestimate the difficulty and the challenge of

making sure we get over the international agreement, which is

where the big prizes. There has been a concentration in resources on

London for policing, but terrorism does not respect police authority

boundaries. It is not scaremongering, it is a fact. Next

year, Durham Constabulary will have its budget cut by over ?1 million.

Can I ask what she will do to make sure those regional forces have the

resources to keep the community safe that they serve? I do believe those

areas like dad do have the resources they need to keep people safe. They

are all making good progress and making changes to their

arrangements, so that they can save money, so they can put more police

officers on the front line. If he has a particular concern, I

recommend he comes and sees the Police Minister, who I am sure will

want to hear his concerns. I'm confident she will agree with me

that we have the best emergency services in the world. And their

efforts in the last few months particularly, have been nothing

short of heroic. Could she be for use her influence to try and make

sure that the public sector pay freeze is ended, to make sure these

workers are treated with the dignity and respect they surely deserve? I

thank her for a helpful contribution for any future conversations I might

have other Chancellor. Further to the question by my friend and

neighbour from Barking, constituents of mine also has houses next to them

raided by the police over recent days. And there are links between

the people who carried out the violent murders on London Bridgend

borough market and several parts of East London. We know there have been

radical so-called preachers recruiting within our community for

years, before they will eventually jailed. What is the government going

to do to deal with the ideological issues? It's absolutely the nub of

what we're trying to address, that these people are becoming weaponised

by the crazed ideology of Daesh, BC hate material at home on the

Internet. The message that comes Daesh is not to join them any more

in that so-called caliphate, but instead to become weapons in the run

communities. What we are doing is making sure we work with Internet

companies to take the material down, that we have a programme that

reaches out and tries to protect people in those communities so that

they don't become radicalised. That's why were taking part in a

review looking at the past and the future. We want to make sure we

stopped that radicalisation taking place in people's communities. Can I

praise the response of Cardiff communities, particularly faith

communities, to the attack, including the shock news that the

attacker invincibly barrack was living in Cardiff. Tackling the

Internet issue, there is still far right and Islamist content on the

Internet today on places like YouTube and Twitter. When will she

get serious about sanctions were companies who feel under obligation

to remove this contents? He will be aware that we are trying to work on

a voluntary basis with them, and we're making progress. That is

always a danger, if you abandon the voluntary and go straight to

sanctions, the heat material will just move elsewhere. We want to make

sure we have a resolution to this. Not frightened of moving to

sanctions if that's where we have to go, but a better outcome would be if

we have those companies working with us, putting the resources into

making sure that the resources are used so that it, so that the

material doesn't go up the first place. I've spoken to her before

about the number of UK born fighters returning from Syria and what

happens to them. Bearing in mind the low number of tools to deal with

returning foreign fighters. I would say that we do it tracks the foreign

fighters very carefully. We recognise that they are potentially

the most dangerous cohort of people who could be returning here. The

tolls can be used where necessary, and I am involved in all the

decision-making around them, but it seems correct that at the moment,

they have those tools and the user really need to. If it becomes

necessary to use them or, we will need additional legislation and then

I will come back and ask her to make that case with me. I wondered if you

would join with me in wishing a full recovery to Lisa, who suffered

injuries in Manchester while waiting for her daughter. Which he consider

undertaking an independent review of policing resources to maintain

confidence and to underpinning a set of community policing edge I would

join with her in wishing Elisa a swift recovery. I can't see the need

for an independent review of policing. I think they're doing an

exemplary job and I think they need the support of all of us for the job

they are doing at this difficult time. Is the Home Secretary in a

position to update us about whether a review of the police funding

formula Bobby published? And now seeks accept that it's not

exclusively about powers, but about the number of police officers able

to use those powers? I understand her studio city about the police

funding formula. We are still reviewing its position at the

moment, and I will come back to her when we have made a decision. I

would like to extend our thoughts to the victims and those who were

hospitalised, and their families, from the recent terrorist outrages.

The attacks were indiscriminate. People of all faiths were killed and

injured. People of all faiths went to hell, whether that be on the

scene or in our hospitals and other emergency services. But we know as

well that is a ripple effect of hate crime that carries on afterwards,

and that reaches out much white and affects other communities. Muslims

in my constituency have told be about how they felt more, rubble and

less secure. Wilshere agree with me it's important for us to reiterate

the message of peace, the message that Islam is a religion of peace,

and to also reassure this house, if she can, that in the final days of

Ramadan, if more support is needed for Muslim communities, she will

ensure that support is provided. I thank the Honourable lady and she is

absolutely right in her comments. In terms of her specific requests for

more support, we'll ready have a fund of ?2.4 million for places of

worship, which number of mosques have applied to, to make sure they

are safe. I can announce that next week, I will be opening an

additional ?1 million for places of worship, which does address the

particular concern in some people have had, concerns that in order to

apply for the funds, you had to have already had a hate crime in your

area. When I'm making sure additional funds are available, so

that people concerned about their mosques can apply for money to

support them in their endeavours to keep them safe. The police have been

magnificent, the faiths have stood together in this house in unity and

the Home Secretary is right that we face a unique threat of terrorism in

this generation. But can I ask this, the foremost police officers have

written to her expressing their concern. They have put in place an

emergency plan to protect the public, but they say it's not

sustainable. They are having to divert police officers from serious

and organised crime and historic enquiries, including in relation to

child sexual abuse. The first duty of any government must be the safety

and security of its citizens. Does the Home Secretary and the time has

come to reverse those deeply damaging cuts of 20,000 to our

police service? I have, of course, got that letter from the four senior

police officers about their concerns about resource saying. I would point

out to him and this house that the emergency matters that they refer to

were part of the well organised plan in case these situations took place,

like the operation which took place. So the system is working. They

needed the additional support, because of course, under these

circumstances, resources have been pulled very tight given the

additional work needed. There are different ways of addressing this.

Before rushing in with the additional money, I want to make

sure we get the right targets and the right answers. I would say to

him that I recognise what they are saying, I recognise that we cannot

carry on at that emergency level indefinitely, but we will be working

with those police officers to make sure we get the right response.

Would the Home Secretary confirmed that she has received a letter from

Andy Burnham, then mayor of greater Manchester, which is speaking on

behalf of all the PPC is in the north-west, pointing out the drastic

cuts in policing numbers and the impact on services. There is growing

gun crime and also the daily fracking processed in Lancashire.

What they are saying is that in future, if the reductions are not

put right and if there's not a commitment to further funding, are

policing as we it now will continue to deteriorate any further -- even

further. I will be responding to the letter and I do take seriously the

points raised. We must make sure people are kept safe. I must commend

the new mayor of Manchester for the work you did during the atrocious

attack in Manchester. We will be coming back to him. If she would

like, I will make sure she's copied in on any correspondence in answer

to that letter. The Prevents training programme has come under

much criticism. Can the Home Secretary say how this will be

critiqued and will be Anderson Commission address this? I thank her

for her question. Prevent has been a great success to many families. I

would refer particularly to 150 people who were stopped from

travelling to Syria last year, 50 of whom were children. I have been

myself and met families who have managed to stop their children

travelling to Syria and becoming radicalised because of engaging with

that. But I recognise there is always more to learn, so I will make

sure we build on Prevent and improve it we we need to, and it will be

part of our review going forward to see whether it works. We are not

complacent about thinking that Prevent has all the answers, but

please don't underestimate the fact it has done fantastically important

work in many different communities up and down the country. Does the

Home Secretary agree with me that what the terrible events of recent

months sure more than ever and is the need to continue to promote

tolerance between people of different faiths and between people

of faith and none? Absolutely, and the more we can do in the house to

reiterate that message, the better. As has been said, overseas travel is

a frequent factor in radicalisation, so I was very interested to hear

what the Home Secretary has just said about trying to prevent such

travel, rather than just using Tpims. What does she have to say

about families and particularly young men who have been radicalised

and then going overseas and then turning into terrorists as a result?

The best examples I have seen, and I've seen them both in Manchester,

Leeds, Birmingham, is a community groups led within the community, so

often led by Muslim men and women, about giving a clear direction and

reasons not to become radicalised, by talking to people on a level, by

engaging them in their activities. This is the sort of work that

Prevent does, that has been successful, is about motivating and

resourcing community leaders and people with good ideas about how to

deep radicalised right at the source of where the young men are. I think

that's the best work we can do as a government.

There is consternation at reports that members, particularly of the

Didsbury mocks could, which Salman Abedi and his family attended, they

made reports which were not acted upon. -- the Didsbury mosque. What

assurance can she give the community that where they make these reports,

they will be acted on and lack of resources will not present a

barrier. It is a very fair question and I have been asking it naturally

as well of the security services. We should not rush to believe

everything said about what was and not done during that period, that is

one reason for the review. It has not been about resources, it has

been about the scale sometimes of the number of people and calls

coming in, but I would say people should still encourage people

their communities to make those their communities to make those

calls, to use the terrorist hotline. calls, to use the terrorist hotline.

respect, to ensure we do what we can respect, to ensure we do what we can

to make sure people call out the type of activity that could lead to

terrorism