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It will cost up to �9,000 a year to get a degree. But asking questions

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costs nothing. What is the point of the university for the creative

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arts? University fees explained. �75,000! And some of the rarest,

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big cats in the world born and bred in Kent. We are keeping the species

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alive, we are keeping the species pure so one day we will be in a

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position we can release the species back into the wild. I am Natalie

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Graham with untold stories closer to home. From all around Kent and

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For tonight's programme we are in at the heart of the South Downs. It

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is a stone's throw from two universities here, Sussex and

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Brighton. Tonight we have a special edition

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on higher education in Kent and Sussex. To kick-off, here's the

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financial expert Alvin Hall. Young, confused and afraid? This is

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what thousands of teenagers across Britain fear. A lifetime on the run.

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But what is chasing them? Student debt. But is it really going to be

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the horror movie we have been led to believe? Whether you think next

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year's hike in fees is fair or not, it is happening. Young people need

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to know the facts. I am going to show you what a degree will really

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cost and how you can avoid those fees altogether.

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Next year, English universities will charge up to �9,000 a year

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with living costs on top, graduates can face debts of �50,000. How much

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will they actually end up paying back. I have come to meet some

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sixth-formers in Birmingham to show them. I think the number will shock

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them. I think that earning interest over

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such a long time of paying back that alone really is a number that

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most people do not think about. Let's imagine you graduate from

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university with �50,000 worth of debt. And you get a high-paying job

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like we expect. How much of that money do you have to pay back?

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I am not quite sure. All of it? You have to pay back all of it and more.

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Interest. Interest. Oh God, is right. �75,000.

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Is that just for one person? That is just for one person.

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Is that for the average degree, three years?

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It is. If you take out the maximum loan. But what if, for some reason,

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their careers do not go as planned and they never earned more than

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�21,000 a year. The amount you have to pay back is zero. So, what is

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going on? Basically, the repayment of the loan works like taxes. The

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more you earn, the more you pay back. If you never earn above a

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certain amount, you never pay back a penny. The new independent task

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force on student finance is led by Martin Lewis. The biggest confusion

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out there is that people confuse the price tag, these �9,000 fees,

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total of �50,000 at the end of university, with the actual cost.

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Many people will not come close to repaying in full what they borrowed.

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Some will not pay anything at all. The bewildering fact that we are

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putting people off going to university because they are looking

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at the price tag, not the cost is the biggest problem. Most graduates

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will face large debt. Is there any way of avoiding the fees. You can

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study abroad. At the recent Student World Fair in London, teenagers

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discovered just how much they can save. I think everyone would rather

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go to university where they are paying �8,000 cheaper than the UK.

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The fees are a lot cheaper. That is more attractive so when you come

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out you will not be in so much debt. Dozens of universities across

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Europe offer courses taught in English. These differ from country

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to country, but in Scandinavia it is free. In Denmark there is no

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tuition fees at all because the Danish government pays for Danish

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students and according to EU rules we have to treat other EU citizens

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alike. Harriet has already taken the plunge. She is off back to

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university in Slovakia. I'm am trying to save money on my flights,

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so hand-luggage it is. Over there she saves a fortune on living costs

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spending just �100 a month. I caught up with her. What advice

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would you give to anyone considering doing what you have

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done? If you are even considering it, I think you should go for it.

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It is worth doing, you have to be brave, but I have never looked back.

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Time is up. I want my money. I want my 50 grand. So studying overseas

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may be one way to avoid the debt. But there are down sides. If you

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study abroad, the government here will not give you a loan. Only some

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courses are taught in English and some employers might not recognise

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foreign degrees. You need to do your homework. Another way of

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beating the fees is to get someone else to pay, but who? London's

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financial heartland is a good place to look. Don't be fooled by power

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suits, believe it or not, these youngsters are all freshers. They

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are being sponsored by KPMG. entire package was a degree, a

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salary, tuition fees are paid and a job at the end and you were helped

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to become a qualified and chartered accountant. It sounds too good to

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be true. There is no catch. I still have not seen a catch. As with

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everything in life, you have to work hard, that is the only catch,

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I guess. And the man who runs the programme tells me KPMG does not

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offer the stereotypical student experience. This is an intensive

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programme. They have got to work for us, they have got to study for

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their degree. It requires hard work. That is what we ask of the students.

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Then there are bursaries, students from low-income families can get

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But is there another way of avoiding the debt? Well, you can

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pay up front. 16 year-old Safina Adams is trying to do just that. As

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well as studying for her A-levels, she sells beauty products on her

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website. I started my business because I wanted to save up for

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university and my parents said because of the rise in the

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university fees, it would be too much for them to pay for it. I am

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hoping to not get in debt because it takes a long time to get out of

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debt and I do not want to be in that place. The government allows

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students to pay up front, but most will have to take out a loan. But

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one financial expert believes that graduates could end up paying back

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far more than anyone has predicted. This financial journalist is

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warning students to be aware. think the problem is the deal is

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actually not a deal. There are all these numbers flying about saying

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you'll be charged a certain rate of interest on the loan and your

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repayments will start at �21,000, over that you will be paying a

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percentage. None of that is in the contract that the students signed

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up for. In fact, the Government can change those numbers if they want

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to in five years' time, 10 years' time, 20 years' time. Students

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could end up paying a lot more. big changes would have to be

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approved by Parliament. Like many Americans, I graduated with the

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equivalent of tens of thousands of pounds worth of debt. It was

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daunting, but if you know the fact, student debt does not have to be

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scary. I confronted it, and so can Alvin Hall reporting. Coming up

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later, more on universities as part I would always advise a student to

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pursue their interest, to pursue their passions. By doing that,

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their employability will take care When you think of the big cat

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habitats, what kind of places come to mind? The Serengeti, Cyberia,

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You probably will not have seen them, and you certainly will not

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have met them, but you might have heard them. Exotic, wild and

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dangerous creatures that, for now at least, have made their home away

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from public eyes, right in the And we have been given exclusive

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access behind the scenes to meet the neighbours, some of the world's

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rarest big cats. This is the Wildlife Heritage

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Foundation's big cat sanctuary. Tucked away in the Kent countryside,

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not many people know it is here. But 36 big cats live here, from

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lions to leopards to lynx and most But we are going to concentrate on

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two species. Spots and stripes. For the stripes we have the Sumatran

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tiger. Nias is a bit special, it is thought only 200 pure Sumatran

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tigers like him are left on his native island of Sumatra. And

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representing the spots is Hogar the Amur Leopard. He is from the far

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east of Russia. Experts believe only about 30 of these leopards

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exist in the wild. The situation is critical and that makes Hoger one

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of the rarest big cats in the world. These cats are part of an

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international mission to save their species from extinction. With time

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running out and so few of them left in the wild, how are they going to

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Brian Badger is the sanctuary manager. He works with zoos across

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the world breeding endangered big cats to release into the wild.

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These cats are so beautiful, but they are in captivity. How will

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they help an endangered species because this animal will never go

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in the wild. It is important that we keep what we like to call a

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genetic arc. We're keeping the species alive, we are keeping the

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species pure so that one day, hopefully, the world will sort

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itself out and we will be in a position where we can release them

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back into the wild. Preserving endangered species is a worldwide

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operation and it is all controlled Preserving endangered species is a

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worldwide operation and it is all It is like a giant dating agency

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for endangered species and it deals with genetics. The idea is that you

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need to keep the members of the family as far apart as you possibly

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can so you do not get in breeding and all the problems that are

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related to that. Creating the purest bloodline is a tricky task.

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Big cats are brought to the sanctuary from all over the world.

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Nias the Sumatran tiger has hit it off with his partner Puna. Brian is

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convinced she is pregnant. He thinks there will be cubs in a few

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weeks' time. How can you tell she is pregnant?

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She becomes very aggressive, very secretive. She is stalking through

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the grass. How long do you think before they are born? If I was to

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hazard a guess, probably about two weeks. And she was doing all that

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running around? Tigers are solitary animals, the

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fact that she is pregnant, she cannot treat that as a disability.

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She still has to hunt she still has to defend herself she still has to

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travel around and so if she makes herself hugely pregnant with huge

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cubs and slouching around she is not going to survive in the wild.

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Everything is prepared for the arrival of Puna's cubs. But there

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is no time for staff at this sanctuary to relax, there is a new

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cat in town. This leopard has travelled all the

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way from a zoo in the Czech Republic to meet with Xizi. It is

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not exactly love at first sight. They are aware of each other, but

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there is a barrier between their enclosures. There is a gap between

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each of those planks of wood so they can slowly get themselves

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acquainted. Slowly but surely what we will start to do it is remove

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periodically some of the planks so they will start appearing to each

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other. That will give us a good guide. Just because you have a male

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and female, it does not make them a couple. Today Hogar is being

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checked out to see if he is suitable for the breeding programme.

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He is in good hands as tests will be carried out by top international

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wildlife vet John Lewis. John has got to make sure that

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Hogar has been fully anaesthetised so it is safe to enter the cage and

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work on him. We have to make certain he is asleep, so he is not

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responding to the jaw opening or his ears been pinched. -- being a.

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Me pinching hard between his toes. 1,2,3. Good, good. We take a lot of

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samples, and a lot of the samples are blood. We take hair samples and

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various other things. We can do tests on those samples, but we also

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have to examine him in detail from nose to tail. We need to be really

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convinced that all parts of him are healthy, that he has no genetic

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defects, that he is not carrying diseases which he is not suffering

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from but other cats here may suffer from. We have got to be sure we

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have a good specimen for breeding. It is hoped he will get the all-

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clear to mate with Xizi. Any cubs they produce will be a huge leap

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forward in the plans to reintroduce Amur leopards to their native land

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in the far east of Russia. We do not just breed leopards in

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captivity and throw them out into the wild, that would not work. The

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only way it can be done is to breed these leopards in captivity, to

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make certain they are very healthy, to take some, young adult leopards

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from that programme and keep them in a captive facility next to where

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you're going to release them. It is not those leopards that are

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released, it is their offspring. They have to breed there. That

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means that the cubs born there are born in Russian conditions, they

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experienced Russian weather, they get exposed to Russian diseases,

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they feed on live prey like wild leopards do, and they have a chance

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of surviving. If the whole scheme goes ahead, this would be the first

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time it has been done. They are stunning creatures. To lose them

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would be an indescribable tragedy. Luckily, Hogar got the all-clear,

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but he has still not been introduced to Xizi. In the wild,

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leopards only ever come together to meet, so Brian has to make sure the

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timing is exactly right. -- made a. Xizi has to be in season otherwise

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they will fight and could end up killing each other. It will

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probably be a good few months until they are ready to mate so for now

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But for the Sumatran tigers, the waiting game is over. Puna is now

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the proud mum of two male tiger cubs. They are five weeks old and I

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am back to meet them. Brian has invited me to do the

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health check with him. Not many people had been inside to see the

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cubs like this. Not many people in the world have probably seen tiger

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cubs this close. I'm really excited Let's go. He is picking one up.

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Hello. You might have to give me a hand, is that OK? Yes. Oh my gosh.

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Oh my gosh. How soon before they become too dangerous to handle?

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They are fully weaned, normally, by 10 - 15 weeks. Any time after that

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they get to the size of a labrador or, that sort of size. Even now,

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that little yawn, they have got a set of teeth and a full set of

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claws. How does it feel having these cubs here? It is fantastic.

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As a breeding centre, this is what it is all about. To produce

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something so rare is very special. And so sad when they go? In some

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ways. You get attached to them, though we are not here for us,

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we're here for them. There are only 200 Sumatra tigers left in the wild

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in the world. Here we have got two little clubs that are going to help

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the programme. Let's hope that one day these guys will be the

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grandparents of a new, wild Kaddy Lee-Preston reporting.

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Earlier, we saw Alvin Hall's consumer guide for students. Now,

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we've got five universities here in the south-east. What have they got

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to offer in return for your cash? Is it just the chance of getting a

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good job, or is it more than that? When it all kicked off over the

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tuition fees... If 50,000 students have come to protest peacefully.

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Our reporter was in the thick of it. They are in jeopardy are being

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undermined by the violent actions of a small minority. He was the

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President of the National Student of unions -- National Union of

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Students at the time. The silence, silence. War we are not going to

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put up with an hour education being treated like this. Hello. Students

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clearly don't like it, but now a university can charge up to �9,000

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per year. It must a been a busy time.

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very tough, pretty hairy at times. A survey commissioned by Inside Out

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suggests that one in 10 A-level students had been put off

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university because of the increasing tuition fees, but many

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of the rest of focused on getting a job to pay the loans back. But the

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thing is, are we losing sight of what a university is actually for?

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It is a good question. And we would like an answer. So we have got a

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plan, haven't we? Yes, we are going to go to every university in the

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south-east and give them some cold, hard facts and find out what we are

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going to get for our money. First, the University for the Creative

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Arts. Hansson the Hibs and lean forward. UCA has campuses in

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Maidstone and Rogers de amongst others, and maybe teach art design

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and fashion. Cadillac is the 152nd university in terms of satisfaction

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-- UCA. 89.8% of students get a job or go on into full-time study.

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The league table performances are generally very poor and the

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institution has taken the decision to charge �1,500 across the board.

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Would you consider that far you for money? Certainly. You have to

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consider that students have access to our facilities, a studio,

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technical facilities, technical staff, academic staff, in a quite

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different way to students at other universities. And so it was quite

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impossible, I think, to put the tuition fees any lower. I think it

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is value for money. I would like to ask a deceptively simple question.

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The so what is the point of the university for the creative arts?

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think it is history of art and design, media and arts, creative

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arts and education, and it is a demanding education but it has been

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at the core of the success of British great -- creative industry

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for the last 100 years. Next up, the University of Brighton. They

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rate 92nd in the Countryfile student satisfaction. 88.5% get

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jobs -- in the country before student satisfaction. Will we

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wanted to ask what is the point at the University of Brighton but they

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told us no one was available for comment. Next, Canterbury

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Christchurch University. Students rated it as number 110. Employment,

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94.3%. They charge �8,500. We felt we should be able to stand up in

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front of our communities and our students and say, this is value-

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for-money. So you can genuinely say, hand on heart, it was not an

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opportunity to cash in and make some money out of this and spend it

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wherever else you wanted to? That is exactly the position we have

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taken. So what is the point of Canterbury Christ Church

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University? The point of the university is to prepare people.

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Prepare people for a life which is more fulfilling a, a more

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interesting, hopefully, which provides them with employment,

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which is stimulating and support the quality of life, but actually

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encourages them to ask a critical questions in a society where, I

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fear, that capacity is actually been lost. Next up, it's the

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University of Sussex. Sussex's in the students' chart at number 30.

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92.2% get jobs or go on to further education. We wanted to ask what is

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the point of Sussex University but they told us that no one was

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available to comment. So we move on. Next, the University of Kent. They

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are numbered 26 in the chart. Their employment number is 91%.

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You have taken the decision to charge �9,000 across the board,

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does it represent value for money for students? It is absolute value

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for money. I'm sure the real cost is higher when you hate take into

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account the costs of what we have to do. What would you consider to

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be the point at the University of Kent? I believe it is about the

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creation and communication of knowledge. We love discovering new

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things which is important in all disciplines, and communicating that

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two other generations and allowing them not just to be taught to but

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to understand what it means to develop themselves. University

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should be life-changing. Because of a whole debate over tuition fees,

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people have understandably been focused on the cost of the course,

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and whether there would be a good job at the end of it. However...

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Are we in danger of losing sight of what the university is actually

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for? I think there is a danger of that, actually. The focus on

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employability has been a little too strong. That must depend on the

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university. Here, we have been clear ever since we started talking

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about changes, pre-Brown, that universities are about creation of

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knowledge and research and communication of knowledge,

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teaching. That combination. notion that a university is solely

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the deliverer of an insurance policy for the future is actually a

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massive step back in terms of society and -- in this country,

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because universities are much more than that. I would always advise

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the students to pursue their interests and their passions, and I

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think by doing that, their employability will pretty much take

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care of itself. As we had earlier, it is suggested that one in 10 A-

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level students have been put off university. But if you do go, don't

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forget what the university is actually for. Why was the first

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person in my family to go to university -- I was. And I have

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enjoyed a much greater quality of life. I have a richer environment

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in which I operate, an environment in which I can ask questions, in

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which I can opt sop knowledge -- absorb knowledge and in which I

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feel confident to debate and have discourse. By parents didn't have

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that and that is what university education did for me and that is

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what it is all about. Now, if you want any more

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