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Policing the streets but going too far. You're hitting him, a lot of | :01:58. | :02:04. | |
punches. Yes. It looks like you are giving him... It does. Where do you | :02:04. | :02:09. | |
draw the line? If you are dealing with members of the public in high- | :02:09. | :02:13. | |
stress situations, occasionally you get it wrong. When police officers | :02:13. | :02:18. | |
get it badly wrong, what is the punishment? I do fear that both of | :02:18. | :02:23. | |
those officers should have lost their jobs. Discipline handed down | :02:23. | :02:28. | |
behind closed doors while some officers simply walk away. It is | :02:28. | :02:33. | |
not very open. It is not. I think nobody would suggest it is a | :02:33. | :02:38. | |
particularly open system. Tonight, we ask, just to his policing the | :02:38. | :02:44. | |
police? I blame the police for not doing their job properly, and I | :02:44. | :02:54. | |
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When Anna officer starts his shift, he has no idea what he will face. | :03:05. | :03:15. | |
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Sergeant Andy Sutherland is patrolling East Durham. There has | :03:17. | :03:24. | |
been a suspected attack. It is about a mile away to the address, | :03:24. | :03:29. | |
maybe a mile and a half. Every call-out involves a set of split- | :03:29. | :03:39. | |
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The minute he stepped inside the house, he will have to decide what | :03:43. | :03:53. | |
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to do. If he gets it wrong, his job Everyone in sight is OK. The | :03:53. | :03:57. | |
situation is sorted. We will go and have a look and see if we can find | :03:57. | :04:02. | |
in... But every call he attends carries a risk. You do not know | :04:02. | :04:06. | |
what you are coming to, 90 times out of 100 it will be exactly like | :04:06. | :04:10. | |
this, but on another occasion there will be something far more sinister | :04:10. | :04:15. | |
or potentially very violent. If the police get it wrong, it can have | :04:16. | :04:25. | |
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A busy night in Wigan town centre. Like most towns on a weekend, it is | :04:29. | :04:39. | |
rowdy, there is lots of alcohol, It is a world that the delight but | :04:39. | :04:44. | |
knew well. As a special constable, volunteering as an unpaid police | :04:44. | :04:50. | |
officer, this was his beat. always was happy to get involved, | :04:50. | :04:55. | |
and I wasn't frightened of being, you know, arresting people, getting | :04:55. | :04:59. | |
involved, doing the actual job of a police officer, rather than being | :04:59. | :05:03. | |
somebody just standing mayor in a uniform. But getting involved | :05:03. | :05:09. | |
changed his life. Filmed on CCTV, he and two full-time colleagues | :05:09. | :05:13. | |
were called to deal with a man outside a nightclub. The only thing | :05:13. | :05:17. | |
we knew was that he had been causing problems, and we had been | :05:17. | :05:22. | |
called by the door staff to deal with it. He was pushed, he stumbled, | :05:22. | :05:26. | |
and he fell into the road and banged his head on the floor. He | :05:26. | :05:31. | |
came back and started remonstrating with us. The three officers tried | :05:31. | :05:41. | |
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to move him on, but he would not go, During the arrest, the man on the | :05:41. | :05:46. | |
floor, Mark Aspinall, bites one of the officers are on the leg. It | :05:46. | :05:52. | |
takes the three of them to carve him. There has been situations | :05:52. | :05:54. | |
throughout my service that have been like that and worse. | :05:54. | :05:59. | |
Situations like that in Wigan happen all the time. Magistrates | :05:59. | :06:03. | |
found Mark Aspinall, a former soldier, guilty of assault and | :06:03. | :06:08. | |
public disorder. So everything seemed pretty straightforward to | :06:08. | :06:12. | |
Peter Lightfoot, a normal night on the streets, if you like, but | :06:12. | :06:15. | |
everything was to change, and in the end he would find himself here | :06:15. | :06:23. | |
Mark Aspinall later complained about the way he was arrested and | :06:23. | :06:29. | |
appealed his assault conviction. The CCTV footage was watched again. | :06:29. | :06:34. | |
This time, the appeal judge said it was the police officers who had | :06:34. | :06:40. | |
behaved badly, abusing their powers. Mark Aspinall's conviction for | :06:40. | :06:44. | |
assault was quashed. Greater Manchester police launched an | :06:44. | :06:47. | |
investigation into the way their own officers had acted that night. | :06:47. | :06:52. | |
It looks like you're banging his face. I have got hold of his head | :06:52. | :06:56. | |
there, and what he has tried to do is move his head forward to bite, | :06:56. | :07:00. | |
and I am pulling it back, but it looks like I am rubbing his head on | :07:00. | :07:06. | |
the floor. But that is not what I was doing. It also shows him | :07:06. | :07:12. | |
repeatedly punching Mark Aspinall. So you have hit him. Yes. And again. | :07:12. | :07:20. | |
Yes. A lot of punches. Yeah, six. It looks like you're giving in a | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
leather ring. It does. I took my own initiative from remembering | :07:24. | :07:29. | |
what you can do within the training that we were given, to punch a | :07:29. | :07:34. | |
muscle area on his shoulder to try and make him release his arm. On my | :07:34. | :07:37. | |
sixth bunch, he actually released his arm enough to wrench it out, | :07:38. | :07:45. | |
and then we got the handcuff on him, and that was it, game over. Peter | :07:45. | :07:49. | |
Lightfoot and the two full-time officers face criminal charges. It | :07:49. | :07:53. | |
went to trial. His colleagues were cleared, but Peter was jailed. He | :07:53. | :08:00. | |
served seven months of a three-year sentence for assault and perjury. | :08:00. | :08:03. | |
At the heart of policing is your ability and the great British | :08:03. | :08:07. | |
tradition to use the minimum of force, to deal with violent | :08:07. | :08:11. | |
situations, to not lose your temper, and that is the standard that we | :08:11. | :08:16. | |
set. And Mr Lightfoot fell below that standard. I do not believe I | :08:16. | :08:20. | |
went too far, I did what any other police officer would do. The | :08:20. | :08:25. | |
problem is, when you are there at the situation, you have got a split | :08:25. | :08:29. | |
second to deal with and to make a decision on what you are going to | :08:29. | :08:31. | |
do, and you have got to live with that decision. It does not matter | :08:31. | :08:35. | |
what your record is or how many lives you have saved or whatever. | :08:35. | :08:40. | |
If you break the law, you are just as liable as any other citizen, and | :08:40. | :08:45. | |
we set a very high standard, and I do not apologise for that. So, open | :08:45. | :08:49. | |
and shut, but it took three court cases before it was decided that | :08:49. | :08:59. | |
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The thing about his case is that we know all the details. There was a | :09:01. | :09:07. | |
trial, his mistake and his punishment for a public. -- were a | :09:07. | :09:10. | |
public. But most police disciplinary matters are kept away | :09:11. | :09:15. | |
from the public gaze. Virtually every case is dealt with behind | :09:15. | :09:20. | |
closed doors, and that can be very hard for those affected by their | :09:20. | :09:30. | |
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Is this the only place you had ever lived, then? Yes. It brings back | :09:36. | :09:43. | |
quite a few memories. How do you feel as we walked down here now? | :09:43. | :09:48. | |
feels weird. Yeah, I just feel a bit weird. 18-year-old Aaron and | :09:48. | :09:52. | |
his sister Hayleigh will never forget the night they have to call | :09:52. | :10:02. | |
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I ran down the stairs, and I heard Anne Aaron shouting, get off me. | :10:07. | :10:11. | |
And then he started coming towards me, so my mum got Inbetweeners. | :10:11. | :10:19. | |
From that moment, I saw him with a knife in his hand, stabbing mum. | :10:19. | :10:22. | |
When they caught Northamptonshire Police, then mum's partner, armed | :10:22. | :10:26. | |
with a knife, was still in the house, and Aaron was trying to keep | :10:26. | :10:31. | |
his mother alive. I was just expecting the police to come | :10:31. | :10:39. | |
straight away. Time was going so slow, I did not know what to do. I | :10:39. | :10:43. | |
started to wonder whether they would come. Paramedics had arrived, | :10:43. | :10:49. | |
but the police had not, so they were stuck outside. The police did | :10:49. | :10:56. | |
not arrive until 19 minutes after the first 999 call. Martin Ashby | :10:56. | :11:06. | |
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was arrested. Then mum, a Louise Webster, was dead. It was too late. | :11:06. | :11:11. | |
He felt like part of you had just died. One the family did not know | :11:11. | :11:14. | |
was that two Northamptonshire Police officers were practically at | :11:14. | :11:18. | |
the bottom of their street when Louise Webster was being attacked | :11:18. | :11:24. | |
and in children asked for help. The call to the emergency services was | :11:24. | :11:28. | |
made at 11 minutes past midnight. No, we know where the police | :11:29. | :11:33. | |
officers work, because there was a GPS transmitter in their car, and | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
at 12 minutes past, one minute later, and again at quarter past, | :11:37. | :11:42. | |
we know they were in the immediate vicinity of Abbots Way. They were | :11:42. | :11:47. | |
just down the road. It took an inquiry by the Independent Police | :11:47. | :11:51. | |
Complaints Commission to discover that, minutes later, as they left | :11:51. | :12:00. | |
the village, the officers refused to attend the emergency call. | :12:00. | :12:03. | |
they were and our shoes, they would want everything to help them, but | :12:03. | :12:07. | |
we had nothing that night. We had to rely on each other, to look | :12:07. | :12:12. | |
after each other and to look after mum, and to just try and be as safe | :12:12. | :12:18. | |
as we could within that half hour. Why would the officers not respond? | :12:18. | :12:23. | |
They said they were busy on an operation based six miles away in | :12:23. | :12:29. | |
Northampton. They claimed that they ended up at the bottom of the | :12:29. | :12:34. | |
Websters Panorama Road because they had followed a car there, but then | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
notebook show they had not dealt with a single incident in the | :12:37. | :12:47. | |
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previous six hours. -- the West theres' Road. They knew it was a | :12:48. | :12:54. | |
serious crime, at the end of the day they should have gone. No two | :12:54. | :12:59. | |
ways about it. It would not have cost them anything to have gone. | :12:59. | :13:04. | |
Medical experts said that Louise Webster's life could not have been | :13:04. | :13:13. | |
saved. Kirk Ola, Martin Ashby, was jailed for life. -- Birkenau. -- | :13:13. | :13:18. | |
Birkenau. The IPCC ruled that the officers had failed in their sworn | :13:18. | :13:22. | |
duty to protect life for at least attempt to do so. They are forced | :13:22. | :13:27. | |
decided this was a case of gross misconduct. The definition of gross | :13:27. | :13:32. | |
misconduct his conduct for which an officer is likely to be sacked, so | :13:32. | :13:36. | |
clearly that is the risk the officer is facing. So would they | :13:36. | :13:45. | |
lose their jobs? That was another decision for Northamptonshire | :13:46. | :13:52. | |
Police. Two senior officers and an independent person looked at the | :13:52. | :13:55. | |
information, and the result was that the two offices kept their | :13:55. | :14:00. | |
jobs and received a final written warnings. It really does not mean | :14:00. | :14:03. | |
anything at all. Just make sure you keep your nose clean in the future, | :14:03. | :14:07. | |
that is it. What is wrong with that? If they are not doing their | :14:07. | :14:10. | |
job properly, they should have been some other form of punishment, | :14:10. | :14:17. | |
surely. They should have left their jobs for that. If they could not | :14:17. | :14:21. | |
turn up to something so important, like that, then what are they | :14:21. | :14:27. | |
actually going to turn up to? this case, the family thought the | :14:27. | :14:30. | |
officers got off incredibly likely. I can understand how they feel like | :14:30. | :14:34. | |
that. I can only say, from our point of view, these things are | :14:34. | :14:38. | |
investigated very seriously, and the panels take them very seriously. | :14:38. | :14:44. | |
When it comes to misconduct cases, the police investigate themselves. | :14:44. | :14:50. | |
The IPCC have a role in only a small number of very serious cases. | :14:50. | :14:56. | |
The most they can do is identify misconduct. The punishment is | :14:56. | :15:00. | |
completely down to the individual officers' force. The panels which | :15:00. | :15:05. | |
decide the outcome of misconduct hearings almost always sit in | :15:05. | :15:09. | |
private. Individual forces deal with their own cases behind closed | :15:09. | :15:16. | |
doors. Jocelyn Cockburn is a lawyer who specialises in handling cases | :15:16. | :15:22. | |
against the police. The problem is that you get inconsistency, but | :15:22. | :15:25. | |
there is not transparency in the first place. That is where there is | :15:26. | :15:28. | |
a gap here, because there's very little evidence to show that | :15:28. | :15:33. | |
lessons are being learned. Police misconduct can be anything from | :15:33. | :15:39. | |
rudeness to physical violence. Now, the police are supposed to be one | :15:39. | :15:44. | |
of the most regulated public bodies, but who is making sure the | :15:44. | :15:52. | |
misconduct panels do their job? There is no overall body that has | :15:52. | :15:54. | |
responsibility for the police misconduct system, other than the | :15:54. | :15:59. | |
Home Office, I daresay. So no-one was watching that area. Individual | :16:00. | :16:03. | |
forces report to individual police authorities, so the authorities | :16:03. | :16:07. | |
have a role there, but a single overarching body? I don't believe | :16:07. | :16:17. | |
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there is. Should they be? Very So, how many decisions are made | :16:18. | :16:22. | |
about police misconduct with little or no national oversight? Well, | :16:22. | :16:27. | |
it's not easy to find out. We put in freedom of information requests | :16:27. | :16:35. | |
to 53 forces in the UK. 47 of them responded. | :16:35. | :16:42. | |
We discovered that there were 1,915 guilty findings against officers | :16:42. | :16:47. | |
for misconduct between 2008 and 2010. | :16:47. | :16:52. | |
382 were dismissed or required to resign. So nearly a fifth of | :16:52. | :16:56. | |
punishments handed down ended in officers leaving the force. | :16:56. | :17:01. | |
And all of these decisions about police misconduct are being made in | :17:01. | :17:04. | |
private, with almost no national oversight. | :17:04. | :17:10. | |
What is lost, do you think, the fact that nobody has that single | :17:10. | :17:16. | |
overview? Well, I think it makes consistency a problem. Guidance can | :17:16. | :17:19. | |
be a problem. And I think it does have an impact | :17:19. | :17:22. | |
on public confidence. Are you confident with a system | :17:22. | :17:27. | |
with no national overview? Well, we have 43 forces in the country. So | :17:27. | :17:32. | |
we are not a national system. The Independent Police Complaints | :17:33. | :17:37. | |
Commission has a system? They are away what is happening with | :17:37. | :17:41. | |
misconduct. They say it is not down to them. | :17:41. | :17:46. | |
They do report cases, trends. They don't have to? Police | :17:46. | :17:49. | |
authority is locally overseeing what is happening. They are aware | :17:49. | :17:53. | |
of the case, the complaints, they take it very seriously. | :17:53. | :17:57. | |
So what can the police forces do to make sure that their officers get | :17:57. | :18:05. | |
it right in the first place? Back in Durham, they're preparing their | :18:05. | :18:15. | |
officers for the complicated situations that they might face. | :18:15. | :18:18. | |
But as Sergeant Andy Sutherland knows, training won't always | :18:18. | :18:21. | |
protect officers from complaints by the public. | :18:21. | :18:29. | |
How often have complaints been made against you? Hmm in my service, | :18:29. | :18:35. | |
probably seven or eight times. Is that common? Yeah, I think it is | :18:35. | :18:38. | |
probably reflective. If you are dealing with members of | :18:38. | :18:42. | |
the public in high-stress situations, occasionally as a | :18:42. | :18:46. | |
police officer you are going to get it wrong. | :18:47. | :18:51. | |
Those public complaints against Andy were not upheld. Last year | :18:51. | :18:55. | |
around 30,000 were levelled at the police nationally, but when jobs | :18:55. | :18:59. | |
are on the line, can officers afford to admit that they might | :18:59. | :19:03. | |
have made a mistake? Do you think that the majority of officers find | :19:03. | :19:08. | |
it difficult to admit that they are wrong? It is not that they find it | :19:08. | :19:12. | |
difficult, but they are suspicious. They don't trust the system. We | :19:12. | :19:16. | |
need a more common-sense approach that admits that the police | :19:16. | :19:20. | |
officers are human. That they do sometimes make mistakes and is | :19:20. | :19:24. | |
accepting of that. That is hard when police failures | :19:24. | :19:29. | |
lead to terrible loss. Harder still when you are let down not just by | :19:29. | :19:35. | |
one force, by four. I heard a car pull up. I didn't | :19:35. | :19:40. | |
look out of the window. Sometimes you see a car, you listen or look | :19:40. | :19:46. | |
out of the window to see who it is, that night I didn't. | :19:46. | :19:51. | |
That was... That was the night that he came and picked her up outside | :19:51. | :19:59. | |
of my house. In Darlington, Andrea Hall's 17-year-old daughter, Arbly | :19:59. | :20:04. | |
was befriended online by a 33-year- old man pretending to be a young | :20:04. | :20:08. | |
lad. Would she talk to you about | :20:08. | :20:12. | |
boyfriends? That was the odd bit. Yeah, she used to tell me | :20:12. | :20:19. | |
everything until that night. 24 hours after Ashley walked from | :20:19. | :20:22. | |
the door, her mother's frantic calls to her mobile phone were | :20:22. | :20:27. | |
answered. By this time I was shouting down | :20:27. | :20:33. | |
the phone, "Who are you jj" he would ask who I was, but I said | :20:33. | :20:38. | |
that this was my daughter's phone, I wanted to know why he had it. | :20:38. | :20:46. | |
It was a police officer. Ashley's phone had been found after | :20:46. | :20:49. | |
being arrested for a driving offence. When he was taken to the | :20:49. | :20:59. | |
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This man is Peter Chapman. He had just confessed to killing Andrea's | :21:06. | :21:09. | |
daughter. You get that horrible, horrible | :21:09. | :21:13. | |
feeling inside you like it is just... I can't explain. Just like | :21:13. | :21:20. | |
your heart is being ripped out. Ashley had been raped and murdered | :21:20. | :21:25. | |
by Peter Chapman, her body found in a ditch at the side of the road. | :21:25. | :21:30. | |
If I had stuck to saying "no", she would never have gone, sorry... | :21:30. | :21:33. | |
Sorry. She wouldn't have gone. She would | :21:33. | :21:38. | |
have stayed. You can't blame yourself. | :21:38. | :21:43. | |
Yeah, but you do. What Andrea did not know then is | :21:43. | :21:48. | |
that Peter Chapman could have been stopped. He was a known sex | :21:48. | :21:52. | |
offender, supposing to be monitored by the Merseyside Police, but for | :21:52. | :21:56. | |
nine months they did not know where he was. | :21:56. | :22:00. | |
One force had lost track of him. Three others then failed to stop | :22:00. | :22:10. | |
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him. Because just three days before | :22:10. | :22:15. | |
Ashley was murdered, a Nationwide alert had been put out for Peter | :22:15. | :22:23. | |
Chapman. During that time his car was spotted near Ash ley's home 16 | :22:23. | :22:28. | |
times by special police cameras that recognise registration numbers. | :22:28. | :22:33. | |
On some occasions the police had looked for him, but twice, in | :22:33. | :22:41. | |
Cleveland, 48 hours after Ashleyy was killed, they didn't. | :22:41. | :22:49. | |
The police were given information, they were looking alt information | :22:49. | :22:55. | |
from the cameras. Then, the problem was not spotted. The people who | :22:55. | :23:00. | |
were supposed to be watching were not logged on to the system. By | :23:00. | :23:07. | |
this time Ashley was in his car. As the night moved on, he was spotted | :23:07. | :23:13. | |
again by cameras across the north- east, but nothing was done. | :23:13. | :23:21. | |
During that journey, Ashley was killed. | :23:21. | :23:26. | |
Who do you blame for her death? blame him because he did it, but I | :23:26. | :23:33. | |
also blame the police for not doing their job properly. I always will. | :23:33. | :23:42. | |
The IPCC produced two reports into Ashley Hall's death. They called | :23:42. | :23:48. | |
for a review on the way that the police cameras are operated and | :23:48. | :23:52. | |
criticised Merseysideside's poor monitoring the of sex offenders. | :23:52. | :23:57. | |
They said that although the murder was missed it may not have been | :23:57. | :24:01. | |
possible to prevent the death, but her mother is clear, the police let | :24:01. | :24:06. | |
her and her daughter down. Now I have read that, I know for a | :24:06. | :24:09. | |
fact that my daughter would still be here today. There is no | :24:09. | :24:13. | |
questions about it. She would definitely be here. That makes me | :24:13. | :24:18. | |
feel worse now. They could have prevented all of this. | :24:18. | :24:24. | |
What concerns Andreas the most about the IPCC report is that no- | :24:24. | :24:29. | |
one was blamed. In no place was anyone held accountable where the | :24:29. | :24:35. | |
killer was spotted. Only two low-ranking officers | :24:35. | :24:40. | |
received management advice. Across the whole Merseyside force no | :24:40. | :24:44. | |
senior officers were held to account. So why isn't the IPCC | :24:44. | :24:52. | |
harder on the police? All of the criticisms, it is normally low- | :24:52. | :24:57. | |
ranking officers that may end up with the punishment, is that a fair | :24:57. | :25:01. | |
criticism? No, I don't. We follow the evidence where it takes us if | :25:01. | :25:05. | |
it takes us to higher levels in the organisation, there are examples | :25:05. | :25:10. | |
where we have done this, we expect to see action taken at those levels. | :25:10. | :25:15. | |
So you expect it see action? Yes, and we will take action. Determine | :25:15. | :25:20. | |
a case to answer at that level if that is appropriate. | :25:20. | :25:25. | |
It took Andrea nearly two years to find out what went wrong. Even now | :25:25. | :25:30. | |
she is still not happy about the way she's been treated. Durham | :25:30. | :25:35. | |
Police apologised to Andrea, for failing to react when Chapman's car | :25:35. | :25:38. | |
was caught on its cameras, they believe that forces need to change, | :25:38. | :25:42. | |
that when things go wrong, the police should be more open. | :25:42. | :25:46. | |
I think whenever a family is bereaved, there is a sense that | :25:46. | :25:51. | |
something could have been done more to prevent it we are trying to very | :25:51. | :25:56. | |
carefully move the culture of the organisation to one of openness. | :25:56. | :26:00. | |
Where we say sorry, where we list and then we explain and then we | :26:00. | :26:04. | |
show people that this is what we have learned. | :26:04. | :26:08. | |
So, in Durham, they are changing the way that complaints are handled. | :26:08. | :26:13. | |
Now officers may have to deal with their accuser, face-to-face. | :26:14. | :26:17. | |
Panorama was given access to the very first time an officer was | :26:17. | :26:20. | |
called in to explain himself to the woman he arrested. | :26:20. | :26:25. | |
So, how does it feel to be here today? I'm nervous. | :26:25. | :26:29. | |
Donna was arrested during a row with her neighbours, she think that | :26:29. | :26:34. | |
the officer was heavy-handed. In my opinion I was arrested for no | :26:34. | :26:39. | |
reason. Whilst being arrested I suffered injuries to my hands and | :26:39. | :26:43. | |
thumb. Donna, I'm Gary Davidson. | :26:43. | :26:47. | |
Donna wanted the police officer to answer for his actions, this is the | :26:47. | :26:51. | |
first time she has seen him since he arrested her. | :26:51. | :26:54. | |
The first person I see in the street is quite an aggressive | :26:55. | :26:58. | |
female. When you walked in, you had a face | :26:58. | :27:01. | |
like you wanted to make an arrest, straight away. | :27:01. | :27:05. | |
I could see that your behaviour was difficult. | :27:05. | :27:10. | |
The next thing I know, the cuffs are on, I am being led down the | :27:11. | :27:16. | |
street. That made you angry? I'm in too much pain to be angry. Maybe | :27:16. | :27:23. | |
you mistook my pain for aggression. Offen it is useful for the officer | :27:23. | :27:27. | |
to listen to the victim in a non- threatening environment to what the | :27:27. | :27:30. | |
person has to say, then for the person to listen to what was going | :27:30. | :27:39. | |
on through the officer's mind. remember now. I might adopt a | :27:39. | :27:45. | |
different set up the next time. I appreciate the conversation. I | :27:45. | :27:48. | |
have learned, maybe you have learned. | :27:48. | :27:52. | |
Donna did still not agree with the arrest, but she did have her say. | :27:52. | :27:58. | |
This system is about being as open as possible when the public | :27:58. | :28:01. | |
complaints, but Panorama found when the police themselves have a case | :28:01. | :28:05. | |
to answer, the situation can be different. There is a back door | :28:05. | :28:09. | |
available to officers who don't want to go through the misconduct | :28:09. | :28:12. | |
proceedings. You simply retire or resign. Make | :28:12. | :28:16. | |
the decision yourself, a way of avoiding justice. | :28:16. | :28:21. | |
We have discovered just how many police officers do walk away. | :28:21. | :28:26. | |
Our freedom of infection requests, show that over the last three years | :28:26. | :28:30. | |
at least 489 officers have chosen this route. | :28:30. | :28:34. | |
If they are allowed to leave the police without any stain on their | :28:34. | :28:37. | |
character, then there is a chance that they will go and work in | :28:37. | :28:42. | |
another force. That does happen. There is a judgment about do you | :28:42. | :28:47. | |
want to wait for a long drawn-out disciplinary procedure, which you | :28:47. | :28:51. | |
know is likely to end in that officer losing their job, or if | :28:51. | :28:55. |