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Cumbria. This week, Chris Jackson is in Tynemouth for Inside Out. In

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the next half an hour... He's touring the North, promising he can

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really talk to the dead. We put this man's claims to the test.

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November. Why is it significant? was one of our greatest adventurers.

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Now his sister wants to know just why Joe Tasker couldn't stay away

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from the mountains. I'm hoping I'll find answers to some of the

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questions I've been asking myself for years and years. And we follow

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the Yorkshire facelift that's bringing a whole new sparkle to a

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much-loved friend. I just think it's fantastic that we can take a

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step back into the past really. For me, it's ground breaking. Stories

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from the heart of the North East He claims he has a phone link to

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the spirits of those who have passed on. He says he has proof we

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don't die. His name is Stephen Holbrook, and thousands of people

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across the North believe in him. But is he a genuine medium who

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hears voices, or is he exploiting the bereaved using traditional

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entertainers skills? Tonight, we This is a story of spirits,

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bereavement and tricks. Central Leeds - a member of the Inside Out

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team, wearing a secret camera - is on their way to film a man who says

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he's a phone link to the dead. hear the spirit world. They talk to

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me. It is as natural as breathing. I want to tell you about my hand.

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This is Stephen Holbrook. And that's his stiff left hand. It's

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like wood. Sometimes it turns blue. It's a sign that Archie - Stephen's

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dead spirit guide - is on the psychic phone. The fifth. Wait, do

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it my way! Stephen says he channels messages just like a phone. But he

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reverses the charges, and his Activists from the Newcastle and

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Merseyside Skeptics Societies, fresh from checking out Stephen's

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performance. They are not impressed. He does not speak to he deceased.

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He is about as clairvoyant as a teapot. Overall, I would argue that

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Stephen Holbrook is not psychic. who is right? Stephen Holbrook, who

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says he can genuinely hear the spirits, and claims his powers

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prove there is life after death, or the sceptics, who say he is an

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entertainment performer using magician's tricks? It is important,

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because if Stephen's phone carries nuisance calls, and Archie and the

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spirits aren't real, there's a problem - with the law. If a trader

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gives false information or misleading information to consumers

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and that causes people to do something they would not otherwise

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have done, such as buying a ticket or travelling to an event, then

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there could potentially be a criminal offence. Some mediums say

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the performance is for entertainment purposes only. Is

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that sufficient? If he is actually saying, I am an entertainer, I am a

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magician. I am using cold reading techniques and I cannot actually

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speak to the spirit world, then But Stephen never says it is just

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for entertainment. He repeatedly claims it is all real. You have

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just listened to 50 minutes of people speaking from the next world.

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So life does continue, doesn't it? Because you've just listened to it.

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Soon audience members are in tears as he relays messages from the

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spirits of dead babies, children, mums and dads. You are upset now,

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aren't you? I know you are. You are crying. You didn't cry with grief

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and didn't cry with your mum, but you cried with your dad. They cry

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because they are desperate to make contact with the dead. It is one

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thing if they are receiving real messages from the spirits but if

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they are repeatedly paying to be manipulated by psychological tricks,

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then there is a risk they can get stuck in their grief and suffer

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real damage. I think this is a type of exploitation of the worst sort.

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It really is manipulating people at a terrible time of their lives.

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of the worse consequences for people who are very vulnerable is

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that they can end up stuck in that early stage of grieving and will

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never be able to relinquish it or Back in Leeds, a large part of the

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performance consists of Stephen asking questions. Sometimes he

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appears to get it right. Is your mother-in-law in the spirit world?

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Yes. Did she have to go into hospital, sweetheart, before she

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passed away? Or into a home? often he gets it wrong. Somebody's

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lost their dad - to do with the brain. This is... I think it's a

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tumour, or an aneurism. I don't know what. Quickly! Somebody knows

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what I am talking about. Stephen performs all over the North, doing

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more than 20 shows a month, nine months a year. His website is full

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of testimonials from satisfied customers. Thank you so much for

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the wonderful message you gave to us in Middlesbrough. At Bolton

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Masonic Hall, I was in shock. He confirmed that my dad knew he was

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going to die. But he also has his critics. I thought the advert was

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nonsensical, laughable. And then I got quite cross, knowing the sort

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of people, vulnerable types, who were attracted to it - not just

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attracted to it but parting with their hard-earned money - I think

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first medium Emma Marsh and three of her students had ever seen.

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kind of questions he would ask would be very, very general. He

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would say, why is February important to you? I was staggered

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at that kind of question. Well, February can be important for any

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number of reasons. People would be supplying him with the information

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not the other way round. Ellis told Stephen about a dead boyfriend.

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Stephen told Ellis what his spirit was saying. He spoke about the

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funeral. He said, the funeral rocked and thank you for the

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flowers. He also spoke about how my boyfriend loved me and that he

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cared for me. But Ellis's dead boyfriend never existed.

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boyfriend isn't dead and none of my boyfriends in the past have died.

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Meanwhile, in Leeds, Stephen is seeing dogs. Did you ever have a

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cross Jack Russell terrier? It was you. But when he gets a no, he

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changes tack and quickly picks someone else. Because your mum

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pushed in, the dog's come back. we get three experts - all psychic

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entertainers or magicians - to analyse Stephen's performance. They

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all say he is using traditional magicians' techniques. Like a

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circle in a spiral... By throwing out a random date, he is going to

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get a strong chance of a hit with at least one person in the room.

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October, thank you. Why is October significant? August. 5th November.

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Why is it significant? Random pieces of information, which people

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are going to latch on to, which they are going to embellish.

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Somebody's brother take their own life? Somebody lose their brother?

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Yes or no? It is taking a little bit of information and scattering

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it around to a big audience, a big group of people and finding that

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one person who seems to give something off. They say Stephen's

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practising cold reading, an entertainer's way of finding out

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personal details through clever questioning. You look at someone

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and you read their micro- experssions, their inflections. You

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work out statistically what is most likely. Like inheriting jewellery.

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Two rings, sweetheart. Two rings. Have you got them both? Yes?

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wants them back. The second is a strategic approach, where you just

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say things and they apply to everyone. You know the house you

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live in? Yes. Beautiful. He goes straight away from just answer me

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yes or no and he goes all the way through the process, asking open

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ended questions, where they actually feed him. At the end of

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this engagement with this guy, the audience will walk away believing

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he asked no other questions and people only answered yes or no.

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Kennedy shows how easily it's done. He asks people to write down the

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name of somebody they haven't seen for a long time. If you could read

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my mind... Kennedy will tell them the name, using classic magician's

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tricks. But he also guesses their personal details using cold reading.

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The person you're thinking of, are they younger than you? Yes. Was

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this like a son type figure? Yes. Has your son passed on? Yes. OK. I

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don't want you to get upset. No. it Daniel or something like that?

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It was Daniel. Yes. He would say, too many flowers? Why? I've got a

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load of flower bushes for his memory. OK. Is there a piece of

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jewellery that signifies this as well? Yes. A ring? Yes. That's

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interesting. How did it feel for you? I literally knew those things

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about you. That was scary. A bit scary. This is the person with dark

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hair. Yes. This length? Yes. Why is she saying about the dogs?

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Something to do with the dog or the dogs? That's creepy. What happened?

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Where I used to work, we'd sometimes get puppies in who were

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Who's she? Doreen. My ex-boss. She died about four years ago. I'm not

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psychic but I'm able to work out things about you, just from your

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responses and the way you react. That's all I'm doing. Finally, from

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the USA, world famous mentalist Banachek throws down the gauntlet.

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He runs the James Randi Foundation's Million Dollar

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Challenge to mediums who can prove they're genuine. Stephen Holbrook,

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if you truly are a genuine psychic, I challenge you to take our million

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dollars. I'll be as accommodating as I possibly can, but it must be

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under proper observable conditions. That's all that I ask. So, time to

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put these back on the table. Because all our professionals say

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that Stephen's phoneline to the dead is well, dead! So, what does

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Stephen say? For such a good talker, he turned remarkably quiet. He gave

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us a statement, which said he will: Never succumb to cold reading. His

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questions are for clarification of the facts. And our experts are not

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in the least bit qualified to judge his work. It also said Stephen

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didn't advertise his evenings as entertainment shows, because they

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were genuine. Yet, while he was telling us that he changed his

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website to say they were in fact for entertainment only. He wouldn't

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explain the contradiction. But stranger still were the messages

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Stephen got on the psychic phone from Ellis's fictional dead

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boyfriend. Remember, the one she made up? My boyfriend isn't dead

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and none of my boyfriends in the past have died. His statement said

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that was an appalling example of theft! Because the spirit's message

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was real, and meant for another person. Ellis had stolen it.

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Stephen wouldn't explain why the spirit didn't just say: No. That's

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not my ex-girlfriend! We have presented evidence suggesting

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Stephen Holbrook is not the real thing. That he uses techniques

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employed by entertainers. He now admits on his website that he is an

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entertainer. For years Stephen Holbrook has made a lot of money

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from exploiting people's grief. Some may get comfort from what he

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does but they need to consider the tricks of the trade we have shown

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On my blog this week I have written about the techniques used by the

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street and addiction -- magician to get those astonishing results.

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30 years ago two of Britain's most gifted climbers disappeared on

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Everest. What happened to Joe Tasker and Pete Boardman is still a

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mystery. But three decades on Joe's sister Terry has decided she needs

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to get to know her brother, and his passion for the mountains, a little

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This is Joe Tasker, a climbing legend, and still greatly missed.

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It's been 30 years since Joe and Pete Boardman lost their lives on

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Everest. A lot has been written about Joe and he was a prolific

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writer and he has left me a treasure trove of archive which has

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not been touched for 30 years and I hope I will find some answers to

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some of the questions I have been asking myself for years. It is

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strange because it is almost as though he is... Standing next to me.

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Terry needs to discover why he pursued this career and passion

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that cost him his life? And what went wrong on that last climb with

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Pete? Our house was further down at the end. At the corner of the

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street. The search for answers starts here in Hull and the street

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where Joe was born. His cousin remembers the family playing out.

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He was the boss, everywhere you went he was the leader. He seems to

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have control. That was Joe. listen to him? I grew up like that.

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He was the lead and he looked after you. He always knew what he wanted.

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Shortly after the Taskers moved to Teesside. From a big Catholic

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family of 10, this is Joe heading off to Ushaw College near Durham.

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Aged 12 he went to train as a priest, and some think this is

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where he discovered the spirit that would take him to some of the

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world's highest peaks. He enjoyed that one because he used to try and

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find different ways our bit. It was here, just down the road from the

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college that Joe got his first taste of climbing at a disused

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quarry. It would take me 10 minutes to do the overhang but it would

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take Jobe two minutes maximum to do the overhang. He would just go up

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and come back down again. He was the first one to do it. I wonder if

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he ever thought from climbing that he would actually climb the highest

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mountain in the world, probably not. I look on him still as a friend, in

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many ways, still see pictures in books and there still think of him

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as though we were alive. Seen Tony has helped me ground some of the

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things I have been reading about Joe and it was really interesting

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to see what impact he had on Joe's development because he obviously

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featured a lot in his early life and I was pleased I did it.

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Emotional but it was good. Joe now graduated from the Lakeland crags

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to a bigger challenge. I went to the Alps and it was just before I

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went to university and it was only after two or three years gradually

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finding my feet in the Alps that I went out there with a lad I had met

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at university, Dick. We were very different characters but on the

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mountains we seemed to gel. We were on the same way of late. We did not

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talk a lot. -- wavelength. He was very reliable. I felt I could rely

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on him all the time. Joe, Pete and Dick were now getting a reputation

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as the best young climbers of their generation and they had one the

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biggest of Mountains in their sights, K2. But things didn't go

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according to plan. We were being buried in an avalanche and Peter

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and Gordon survived and they'd dug it out and then they started to dig

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me out. Another other large came half-an-hour later and it destroyed

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our chances on that attempt. Will this be a last attempt on the

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mountain? All three of us want to go back and finish of those last

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few bits. You're going back? just feel there is no way we can

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stop ourselves. You would think after that you would back away a

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bit but each of us was hell-bent on almost self destruction relief.

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was emotional hearing this from people like Dick telling me. It was

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very moving. I think it must have been difficult for them as well

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because even after all of this time, 30 years, it is still very raw.

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years later Joe, Pete and Dick were back for the ultimate challenge, an

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unclimbed ridge of Everest. Sir Chris Bonington led the expedition.

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He could be quite tough and quite abrasive. He had a hard protective

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shell, if you like. As you got to know him you realised that

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underneath that tough shell There is a quite extraordinary warm heart.

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Normally you can just a romp across here. Watch your foot. It was a

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small team attempting a very ambitious climb, and soon they were

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one man down when Dick suffered a stroke and had to leave the

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expedition. It was heartbreaking for me really. Not only was it the

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end of the expedition for me, it was what I thought was the end of

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my climbing career really. Pete and Joe were going incredibly well and

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they wanted and deserved another go at it. I said, OK, you have that

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final go. That was a perfectly reasonable thing for them to do.

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These are the last pictures taken by Sir Chris of the climbers.

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Constantly you were in hope. We spend hours waiting but there was

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no sign at all. Then you were in hope that you had just completely

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misjudged a whole situation and they would be waiting for you at

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base camp. Of course my heart finally realised that was not going

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to happen and of course it did not. Two British climbers, Joe Tasker

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and Pete Boardman have been killed near the summit of Everest. Those

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three days were very difficult because there was always hope there

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really. There was hope that they would find him and he would come

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home in whatever state he was in. I think that to me is going to always

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be the unanswered question. We never had a body to bury. When I

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said goodbye to Joe I did not even say look after yourself because I

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assumed he would be coming back. supposition is that one of them

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collapsed. I think the possibility is it was Joe. I would say that

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Peter would never ever have left Joe one he was alive. They pushed

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hard, they took risks, that is what climbing is all about. Those last

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days were something that I had not really heard before and to me that

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was good because it made me feel a bit better, particularly when they

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were saying that Pete just fell asleep in the snow when Joe was

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probably there as well. Knowing more about what happened on Everest,

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Terry now feels it's the right time for others to share in the

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wonderful archive he left behind. Today she's handing it over to the

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Mountain Heritage Trust in Penrith. What I love about archives is it

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almost enables you to sit in the seat of that person. You were

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reading through and you can peer Joe's voice, I did not have that

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privilege, but obviously reading his letters and his poems and his

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diary entries, it does help to give you a sense of that person and they

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continue to live. I think talking to other people can bring it

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actually to the fore and that has helped me tremendously. It was

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something I knew would be difficult and I didn't really want to face it.

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To a climber, one wants to try something that you think is going

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to test you to the utmost, climbing the highest mountain in the world

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is obviously a very big challenge. I have now got more of his story.

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It has made be really proud of M, as a brother and of -- and as a

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person. It is like the closing of a chapter. It's easy to marvel at

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some of the craftsmanship that has helped shape the north even when,

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like the Priory here, it's seen better days. But one of the

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region's greatest treasures is being treated to a magnificent

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facelift, a painstaking restoration that's calling on calling on very

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special skills. Keeley Donovan Among the majestic splendours of

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York Minster there's one that many feel stands out. The Great East

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Window. Perhaps the finest and largest Medaeval stained glass

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window in the world, it has brought pilgrims from around the globe for

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centuries to marvel at its intricate design. That was until

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2008, when all this Scaffolding went up and it sadly disappeared

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from view. Regular visitors were heartbroken as the great

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masterpiece was taken down bit by bit, and removed for essential

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repairs. In its place has hung this this digital reproduction, in

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itself one of the the world's biggest examples of graphic art.

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But soon visitors will be able to see the real Great Window up close

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and personal in a way they never could have had access before. For

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the past few years the window has been undergoing restoration here at

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the York Glaziers Trust, and I'm about to go inside to see how the

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craftsmen and women are getting on in their Herculean task. The first

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thing we do is make a robbing so we have effectively a map locating all

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the individual glass pieces and all of their relationships to the legs.

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Then you take the lead out? Taking the lead out of the panel and then

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we can lay out on top of the rubbing or the individual glass

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pieces that make up this very complicated jigsaw. She is cleaning

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away it rested you, dirt from lamps, gas lighting, cobweb and dust.

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residue. Taking the window as one huge storyboard its designer used

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the stained-glass panels to reveal an epic vision of the Apocalypse.

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He took a vision that was not uncommon in the Middle Ages but he

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readmission good for his own time and created a work of immense

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ambition, imagination and power. How are the techniques and skills

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changing since the window was first made? Some of the techniques have

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changed very little. The way that we will eventually replace the

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window would be recognisable to medieval glaziers. One thing that

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has changed is the way we cut glass. That means that when we are trying

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to distinguish between medieval glass and any insertions introduced

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from the 18th century onwards, examining the edges of the glass

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can be very helpful. This class is actually very sturdy. It is thick

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and solid and sometimes the glasses almost as thin as an eggshell. That

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is when you have to be really careful and it is quite nerve-

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racking. In Thornton's day the paints would have been fixed mixed

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with wine and urine, today they use Vinegar and lavender water. This is

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the finished article? Now the relationship between class and led

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is as close as the relationship that we can get it. Now we see

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glass not submerged under lead and as a consequence of that and the

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cleaning of the window it is brighter and lighter and the drama

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of the scene emerges from that gloom. But the painstaking work

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going on here is just part of a complicated jigsaw which will see

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the panels being displayed with a very 21st century twist. A few

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miles away from the antique glaziers, a group of high tech

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computer experts are hard at work creating a fresh new setting for

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some of the panels. Together with engineers and joiners, they're

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putting together a Grand Orb, a sort of mini time capsule where

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visitors to the Minster will soon be able to step inside and see a

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some of the restored stained glass face to face. And today for the

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first time those in charge of the project have come to see how their

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plans are starting to come to life. When visitors enter the space they

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are presented with five conserved panels from the window. They are

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allowed to get right up to the glass so this is a once-in-a-

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lifetime opportunity for visitors to see not only these particular

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panes of glass but the details. am nervous but excited. I think it

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will be a great credit to everyone who has been involved in delivering

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theirs. Whether the team confident on the right track is start to --

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time to start assembling the AW. With more than 13,000 pieces to put

:27:26.:27:36.
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together it takes a team of six many weeks to complete it. And

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today, with everything now in place, it's time to see if this latest

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chapter in the Minster's colourful history has gone according to the

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script. And who better than Sarah to help me assess the finished work.

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Well, it is so bright and clear. I am thrilled and excited. It enables

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you to appreciate these on a par with the great paintings in the

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National Gallery. And Sarah's not the only one who's impressed. Early

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visitors are giving it the thumbs up too. I think it is fantastic

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that we can see what was going through the minds of the workers.

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But what would the designer John Thornton make of it if he was

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teleported through time? I hope he would have been gratified that 600

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years later we were so impressed with his work. To see yet I eye-

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level in an exhibition I think you would have found peculiar.

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window is due to be fully restored and back in place in 2016 and it'll

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be a few hundred years before anyone gets the chance to come this

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close again. A rather beautiful end to tonight's programme. That is it

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for tonight. Next week: The military style

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