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The family being chased for more The family being chased for more | :00:02. | :00:07. | |
The family being chased for more than �400,000 of debt. You must | :00:07. | :00:09. | |
than �400,000 of debt. You must than �400,000 of debt. You must | :00:09. | :00:10. | |
have been under immense pressure, have been under immense pressure, | :00:10. | :00:12. | |
have been under immense pressure, have been under immense pressure, | :00:12. | :00:13. | |
how have you coped? It has been how have you coped? It has been | :00:13. | :00:13. | |
how have you coped? It has been how have you coped? It has been | :00:13. | :00:14. | |
horrible and I have lost six years horrible and I have lost six years | :00:14. | :00:16. | |
horrible and I have lost six years horrible and I have lost six years | :00:16. | :00:17. | |
of my life through worried and I of my life through worried and I | :00:17. | :00:18. | |
of my life through worried and I cannot see any end in sight. | :00:18. | :00:19. | |
cannot see any end in sight. cannot see any end in sight. | :00:19. | :00:20. | |
cannot see any end in sight. Fathers in prison - how much should | :00:20. | :00:21. | |
Fathers in prison - how much should Fathers in prison - how much should | :00:21. | :00:25. | |
they be in touch with their they be in touch with their | :00:25. | :00:27. | |
they be in touch with their they be in touch with their | :00:27. | :00:28. | |
children? As far as he is concerned, children? As far as he is concerned, | :00:28. | :00:31. | |
children? As far as he is concerned, children? As far as he is concerned, | :00:31. | :00:32. | |
Daddy is at work. The impact is huge. | :00:32. | :00:33. | |
huge. huge. | :00:33. | :00:34. | |
And when Kent was nuked. We And when Kent was nuked. We | :00:34. | :00:35. | |
And when Kent was nuked. We And when Kent was nuked. We | :00:35. | :00:36. | |
discover the film the BBC banned in discover the film the BBC banned in | :00:36. | :00:37. | |
discover the film the BBC banned in discover the film the BBC banned in | :00:37. | :00:47. | |
discover the film the BBC banned in 1965 and the people who were in it.. | :00:47. | :00:49. | |
1965 and the people who were in it.. 1965 and the people who were in it.. | :00:49. | :00:52. | |
We were playing the film crew We were playing the film crew | :00:52. | :00:54. | |
We were playing the film crew We were playing the film crew | :00:54. | :00:55. | |
turned up, and they said, could we turned up, and they said, could we | :00:55. | :00:55. | |
turned up, and they said, could we turned up, and they said, could we | :00:55. | :00:57. | |
turn up and shout, and that was us. turn up and shout, and that was us. | :00:57. | :00:58. | |
turn up and shout, and that was us. I'm Natalie Graham with untold | :00:58. | :00:59. | |
I'm Natalie Graham with untold I'm Natalie Graham with untold | :00:59. | :01:00. | |
stories, closer to home. From all stories, closer to home. From all | :01:00. | :01:01. | |
stories, closer to home. From all round the South East, this is | :01:01. | :01:11. | |
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Hello, I'm in Dunorlan Park in Hello, I'm in Dunorlan Park in | :01:22. | :01:23. | |
Hello, I'm in Dunorlan Park in Tunbridge Wells. Would you believe | :01:23. | :01:24. | |
Tunbridge Wells. Would you believe Tunbridge Wells. Would you believe | :01:24. | :01:25. | |
Tunbridge Wells. Would you believe Tunbridge Wells. Would you believe | :01:25. | :01:25. | |
it, it used to be the back of a it, it used to be the back of a | :01:25. | :01:26. | |
it, it used to be the back of a it, it used to be the back of a | :01:26. | :01:27. | |
posh house that burnt down in 1957. posh house that burnt down in 1957. | :01:27. | :01:28. | |
posh house that burnt down in 1957. posh house that burnt down in 1957. | :01:28. | :01:29. | |
First up, with a tale of the First up, with a tale of the | :01:29. | :01:30. | |
First up, with a tale of the dangers of debt, it's Glenn | :01:30. | :01:33. | |
Campbell. Campbell. | :01:33. | :01:42. | |
Campbell. Medway County Court, Chatham. Every | :01:42. | :01:43. | |
Medway County Court, Chatham. Every Medway County Court, Chatham. Every | :01:43. | :01:44. | |
Thursday is dedicated to people who Thursday is dedicated to people who | :01:44. | :01:45. | |
Thursday is dedicated to people who have fallen into debt. It's | :01:45. | :01:46. | |
have fallen into debt. It's have fallen into debt. It's | :01:46. | :01:48. | |
nicknamed Repo Day. That's short nicknamed Repo Day. That's short | :01:48. | :01:49. | |
nicknamed Repo Day. That's short for repossession. And you only have | :01:49. | :01:50. | |
for repossession. And you only have for repossession. And you only have | :01:50. | :01:51. | |
for repossession. And you only have to look at the stats to understand | :01:51. | :01:52. | |
to look at the stats to understand to look at the stats to understand | :01:52. | :01:53. | |
why the Medway Towns have a why the Medway Towns have a | :01:53. | :01:56. | |
why the Medway Towns have a dedicated debt day in court. You | :01:56. | :01:57. | |
dedicated debt day in court. You dedicated debt day in court. You | :01:57. | :01:58. | |
see, last year this study ranked see, last year this study ranked | :01:58. | :01:59. | |
see, last year this study ranked the Medway Unitary Authority third | :01:59. | :02:00. | |
the Medway Unitary Authority third the Medway Unitary Authority third | :02:00. | :02:01. | |
for repossessions in the whole of for repossessions in the whole of | :02:01. | :02:09. | |
for repossessions in the whole of the South East. When I first | :02:09. | :02:11. | |
the South East. When I first the South East. When I first | :02:11. | :02:13. | |
started attending the court in 2001, started attending the court in 2001, | :02:13. | :02:14. | |
started attending the court in 2001, started attending the court in 2001, | :02:14. | :02:15. | |
there was one drug for the morning. there was one drug for the morning. | :02:15. | :02:17. | |
there was one drug for the morning. We've now got normally two judges | :02:17. | :02:20. | |
We've now got normally two judges We've now got normally two judges | :02:20. | :02:21. | |
We've now got normally two judges for the whole day. And as more and | :02:21. | :02:22. | |
for the whole day. And as more and for the whole day. And as more and | :02:22. | :02:22. | |
for the whole day. And as more and more people walk out of this court | :02:22. | :02:23. | |
more people walk out of this court more people walk out of this court | :02:23. | :02:24. | |
more people walk out of this court on Repo Day, many of them will | :02:24. | :02:25. | |
on Repo Day, many of them will on Repo Day, many of them will | :02:25. | :02:26. | |
on Repo Day, many of them will grasp at any solution, good or not | :02:26. | :02:27. | |
grasp at any solution, good or not grasp at any solution, good or not | :02:27. | :02:28. | |
so good, that comes their way. so good, that comes their way. | :02:28. | :02:29. | |
so good, that comes their way. so good, that comes their way. | :02:29. | :02:30. | |
Offers of a financial fix that can Offers of a financial fix that can | :02:30. | :02:31. | |
Offers of a financial fix that can result in losing your most prized | :02:31. | :02:38. | |
result in losing your most prized result in losing your most prized | :02:38. | :02:39. | |
result in losing your most prized asset, your home. It is a home to | :02:39. | :02:40. | |
asset, your home. It is a home to asset, your home. It is a home to | :02:40. | :02:42. | |
somebody. If you are losing your somebody. If you are losing your | :02:42. | :02:44. | |
somebody. If you are losing your somebody. If you are losing your | :02:44. | :02:45. | |
home, you clutch at any straw you home, you clutch at any straw you | :02:45. | :02:46. | |
home, you clutch at any straw you home, you clutch at any straw you | :02:46. | :02:47. | |
can see. And clutch at any straw is can see. And clutch at any straw is | :02:47. | :02:47. | |
can see. And clutch at any straw is exactly what the Hindmarsh family | :02:47. | :02:48. | |
exactly what the Hindmarsh family exactly what the Hindmarsh family | :02:48. | :02:49. | |
from Sittingbourne in Kent did. For from Sittingbourne in Kent did. For | :02:49. | :02:50. | |
from Sittingbourne in Kent did. For from Sittingbourne in Kent did. For | :02:50. | :02:51. | |
them, it all started back in 2007 them, it all started back in 2007 | :02:51. | :02:52. | |
them, it all started back in 2007 when Mandy fell behind paying the | :02:52. | :02:53. | |
when Mandy fell behind paying the when Mandy fell behind paying the | :02:53. | :02:56. | |
tax bills for her husband's courier tax bills for her husband's courier | :02:56. | :02:57. | |
tax bills for her husband's courier van business. That failure led to | :02:57. | :02:58. | |
van business. That failure led to van business. That failure led to | :02:58. | :02:59. | |
Steve being declared bankrupt at Steve being declared bankrupt at | :02:59. | :03:00. | |
Steve being declared bankrupt at Steve being declared bankrupt at | :03:00. | :03:01. | |
Medway County Court and it was then, Medway County Court and it was then, | :03:01. | :03:02. | |
Medway County Court and it was then, desperate for money, that they were | :03:02. | :03:09. | |
desperate for money, that they were desperate for money, that they were | :03:09. | :03:10. | |
thrown a lifeline. Somebody turned thrown a lifeline. Somebody turned | :03:10. | :03:11. | |
thrown a lifeline. Somebody turned thrown a lifeline. Somebody turned | :03:11. | :03:12. | |
up at the front door telling me up at the front door telling me | :03:12. | :03:13. | |
up at the front door telling me up at the front door telling me | :03:13. | :03:14. | |
they were going to help. That they they were going to help. That they | :03:14. | :03:16. | |
they were going to help. That they were going to get the bankruptcy | :03:16. | :03:18. | |
were going to get the bankruptcy were going to get the bankruptcy | :03:18. | :03:19. | |
annulled. All the debts paid. annulled. All the debts paid. | :03:19. | :03:20. | |
annulled. All the debts paid. Everything would be fine. As if | :03:20. | :03:21. | |
Everything would be fine. As if Everything would be fine. As if | :03:21. | :03:23. | |
nothing had ever happened, and it nothing had ever happened, and it | :03:23. | :03:25. | |
nothing had ever happened, and it was my knight in shining armour. | :03:25. | :03:26. | |
was my knight in shining armour. was my knight in shining armour. | :03:26. | :03:27. | |
was my knight in shining armour. This is the company that offered to | :03:27. | :03:29. | |
This is the company that offered to This is the company that offered to | :03:29. | :03:30. | |
erase the Hindmarshes' debt. Called erase the Hindmarshes' debt. Called | :03:30. | :03:31. | |
erase the Hindmarshes' debt. Called the Bankruptcy Protection Fund Ltd, | :03:31. | :03:32. | |
the Bankruptcy Protection Fund Ltd, the Bankruptcy Protection Fund Ltd, | :03:32. | :03:33. | |
and linked to a sister company and linked to a sister company | :03:33. | :03:34. | |
called Consolidated Finance Ltd, called Consolidated Finance Ltd, | :03:34. | :03:35. | |
called Consolidated Finance Ltd, they're based in these offices in | :03:35. | :03:39. | |
they're based in these offices in they're based in these offices in | :03:39. | :03:40. | |
Manchester. They claimed that their Manchester. They claimed that their | :03:40. | :03:41. | |
Manchester. They claimed that their Manchester. They claimed that their | :03:41. | :03:42. | |
service was set up to save people service was set up to save people | :03:42. | :03:43. | |
service was set up to save people service was set up to save people | :03:43. | :03:49. | |
from losing their home as a result from losing their home as a result | :03:49. | :03:50. | |
from losing their home as a result of bankruptcy. When somebody is | :03:50. | :03:51. | |
of bankruptcy. When somebody is of bankruptcy. When somebody is | :03:51. | :03:52. | |
declared bankrupt, it goes into the declared bankrupt, it goes into the | :03:52. | :03:53. | |
declared bankrupt, it goes into the declared bankrupt, it goes into the | :03:54. | :03:54. | |
paper, so they must have picked it paper, so they must have picked it | :03:54. | :03:55. | |
paper, so they must have picked it paper, so they must have picked it | :03:56. | :03:56. | |
up from there. The tax debt that up from there. The tax debt that | :03:56. | :03:57. | |
forced the Hindmarshes into forced the Hindmarshes into | :03:57. | :03:58. | |
bankruptcy totalled just over bankruptcy totalled just over | :03:58. | :03:59. | |
bankruptcy totalled just over bankruptcy totalled just over | :03:59. | :04:00. | |
�27,000. On top of that, they were �27,000. On top of that, they were | :04:00. | :04:01. | |
�27,000. On top of that, they were behind, to the tune of several | :04:01. | :04:02. | |
behind, to the tune of several behind, to the tune of several | :04:02. | :04:03. | |
thousand pounds, with payments to a thousand pounds, with payments to a | :04:03. | :04:07. | |
thousand pounds, with payments to a variety of credit card companies. | :04:07. | :04:09. | |
variety of credit card companies. variety of credit card companies. | :04:09. | :04:10. | |
variety of credit card companies. He said they would give us a loan | :04:10. | :04:11. | |
He said they would give us a loan He said they would give us a loan | :04:11. | :04:13. | |
to get through mortgage, all the to get through mortgage, all the | :04:13. | :04:14. | |
to get through mortgage, all the paperwork, paying off all our | :04:14. | :04:16. | |
paperwork, paying off all our paperwork, paying off all our | :04:16. | :04:17. | |
creditors, paying off the tax, and creditors, paying off the tax, and | :04:17. | :04:18. | |
creditors, paying off the tax, and we would have a clean slate, | :04:18. | :04:19. | |
we would have a clean slate, we would have a clean slate, | :04:19. | :04:21. | |
nothing to worry about. He even nothing to worry about. He even | :04:21. | :04:22. | |
nothing to worry about. He even said our mortgage payments would be | :04:22. | :04:24. | |
said our mortgage payments would be said our mortgage payments would be | :04:24. | :04:26. | |
said our mortgage payments would be less than we were paying. What can | :04:26. | :04:27. | |
less than we were paying. What can less than we were paying. What can | :04:27. | :04:28. | |
less than we were paying. What can you say? Thank you? Where did it go | :04:28. | :04:33. | |
you say? Thank you? Where did it go you say? Thank you? Where did it go | :04:33. | :04:35. | |
you say? Thank you? Where did it go wrong? It was a fantastic deal. He | :04:35. | :04:38. | |
wrong? It was a fantastic deal. He wrong? It was a fantastic deal. He | :04:38. | :04:39. | |
wrong? It was a fantastic deal. He said... It is engraved in my brain, | :04:39. | :04:42. | |
said... It is engraved in my brain, said... It is engraved in my brain, | :04:42. | :04:45. | |
we guarantee you, As, hyphenated, we guarantee you, As, hyphenated, | :04:45. | :04:46. | |
we guarantee you, As, hyphenated, highlighted, we guarantee you a | :04:46. | :04:48. | |
highlighted, we guarantee you a highlighted, we guarantee you a | :04:48. | :04:49. | |
remortgage. So the deal looked a remortgage. So the deal looked a | :04:49. | :04:53. | |
remortgage. So the deal looked a winner for everyone. Yes, they paid | :04:53. | :04:55. | |
winner for everyone. Yes, they paid winner for everyone. Yes, they paid | :04:55. | :04:56. | |
winner for everyone. Yes, they paid the tax man, they paid all that | :04:57. | :04:58. | |
the tax man, they paid all that the tax man, they paid all that | :04:58. | :04:59. | |
unsecured creditors. And we were unsecured creditors. And we were | :04:59. | :05:00. | |
unsecured creditors. And we were sailing and happy. Until that | :05:00. | :05:01. | |
sailing and happy. Until that crucial re-mortgage guaranteed by | :05:01. | :05:02. | |
crucial re-mortgage guaranteed by crucial re-mortgage guaranteed by | :05:02. | :05:02. | |
the Bankruptcy Protection Fund Ltd the Bankruptcy Protection Fund Ltd | :05:02. | :05:06. | |
the Bankruptcy Protection Fund Ltd failed to materialize. So let's | :05:06. | :05:09. | |
failed to materialize. So let's failed to materialize. So let's | :05:09. | :05:10. | |
fast forward six years. It's now fast forward six years. It's now | :05:10. | :05:11. | |
fast forward six years. It's now 2013 and the �47,000 original debt | :05:11. | :05:12. | |
2013 and the �47,000 original debt 2013 and the �47,000 original debt | :05:12. | :05:13. | |
the Hindmarshes had with Bankruptcy the Hindmarshes had with Bankruptcy | :05:13. | :05:22. | |
Protection Fund has reached... Protection Fund has reached... | :05:22. | :05:24. | |
Protection Fund has reached... Think of a figure... Well, �400,000. | :05:24. | :05:25. | |
Think of a figure... Well, �400,000. Think of a figure... Well, �400,000. | :05:25. | :05:26. | |
Christopher Holmes is the director Christopher Holmes is the director | :05:26. | :05:27. | |
Christopher Holmes is the director of the Bankruptcy Protection Fund | :05:27. | :05:29. | |
of the Bankruptcy Protection Fund of the Bankruptcy Protection Fund | :05:29. | :05:30. | |
of the Bankruptcy Protection Fund Ltd. He is also the Director of | :05:30. | :05:31. | |
Ltd. He is also the Director of Ltd. He is also the Director of | :05:31. | :05:32. | |
Consolidated Finance Ltd as well as Consolidated Finance Ltd as well as | :05:32. | :05:33. | |
Consolidated Finance Ltd as well as a host of other debt solutions | :05:33. | :05:34. | |
a host of other debt solutions a host of other debt solutions | :05:34. | :05:38. | |
firms registered here in Manchester. firms registered here in Manchester. | :05:38. | :05:38. | |
firms registered here in Manchester. firms registered here in Manchester. | :05:38. | :05:39. | |
When I called Mr Holmes to ask for When I called Mr Holmes to ask for | :05:39. | :05:40. | |
When I called Mr Holmes to ask for an interview to discuss the | :05:40. | :05:41. | |
an interview to discuss the an interview to discuss the | :05:41. | :05:44. | |
Hindmarshes' and other cases he Hindmarshes' and other cases he | :05:44. | :05:45. | |
politely declined. Instead, we politely declined. Instead, we | :05:45. | :05:46. | |
politely declined. Instead, we began to correspond via Bankruptcy | :05:46. | :05:49. | |
began to correspond via Bankruptcy began to correspond via Bankruptcy | :05:49. | :05:50. | |
Protection Fund's lawyers. And not Protection Fund's lawyers. And not | :05:50. | :05:52. | |
Protection Fund's lawyers. And not just any lawyers. Nope, Mr Holmes | :05:52. | :05:53. | |
just any lawyers. Nope, Mr Holmes just any lawyers. Nope, Mr Holmes | :05:53. | :05:53. | |
instructed Mishcon De Reya, a instructed Mishcon De Reya, a | :05:53. | :05:54. | |
prestigious firm of London prestigious firm of London | :05:54. | :06:01. | |
solicitors with a fearsome solicitors with a fearsome | :06:01. | :06:02. | |
solicitors with a fearsome reputation. So, how could Mr Holmes | :06:02. | :06:03. | |
reputation. So, how could Mr Holmes reputation. So, how could Mr Holmes | :06:03. | :06:04. | |
justify a �47,000 loan spiralling justify a �47,000 loan spiralling | :06:04. | :06:11. | |
justify a �47,000 loan spiralling into a �400,000 plus debt? Well, | :06:11. | :06:12. | |
into a �400,000 plus debt? Well, into a �400,000 plus debt? Well, | :06:12. | :06:12. | |
into a �400,000 plus debt? Well, when we asked they came back with | :06:12. | :06:22. | |
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Well maybe they hadn't read their Well maybe they hadn't read their | :06:24. | :06:25. | |
Well maybe they hadn't read their Well maybe they hadn't read their | :06:25. | :06:26. | |
own paperwork. You see, in April of own paperwork. You see, in April of | :06:26. | :06:27. | |
own paperwork. You see, in April of last year, Consolidated Finance Ltd | :06:27. | :06:28. | |
last year, Consolidated Finance Ltd last year, Consolidated Finance Ltd | :06:28. | :06:29. | |
lodged this document in court lodged this document in court | :06:29. | :06:30. | |
lodged this document in court chasing the Hindmarshes for the sum | :06:30. | :06:37. | |
chasing the Hindmarshes for the sum of �326,309.64... Excluding legal | :06:37. | :06:45. | |
of �326,309.64... Excluding legal of �326,309.64... Excluding legal | :06:45. | :06:46. | |
costs. And the biggest change all costs. And the biggest change all | :06:46. | :06:48. | |
costs. And the biggest change all costs. And the biggest change all | :06:48. | :06:49. | |
that time. I don't think they know that time. I don't think they know | :06:50. | :06:51. | |
themselves. They are getting themselves. They are getting | :06:51. | :06:52. | |
themselves. They are getting numbers, mixing them up, and saying, | :06:52. | :06:54. | |
numbers, mixing them up, and saying, numbers, mixing them up, and saying, | :06:54. | :06:55. | |
numbers, mixing them up, and saying, that is how much we will ask for | :06:55. | :06:58. | |
that is how much we will ask for that is how much we will ask for | :06:58. | :07:00. | |
that is how much we will ask for this time. It is 350, for 20, for | :07:00. | :07:01. | |
this time. It is 350, for 20, for this time. It is 350, for 20, for | :07:01. | :07:03. | |
this time. It is 350, for 20, for 50. I don't know. I had her crying | :07:03. | :07:04. | |
50. I don't know. I had her crying 50. I don't know. I had her crying | :07:04. | :07:05. | |
50. I don't know. I had her crying on the telephone, mum, what am I | :07:05. | :07:07. | |
on the telephone, mum, what am I on the telephone, mum, what am I | :07:07. | :07:08. | |
on the telephone, mum, what am I going to do? It breaks my heart | :07:08. | :07:09. | |
going to do? It breaks my heart going to do? It breaks my heart | :07:09. | :07:11. | |
because she works so hard. She because she works so hard. She | :07:11. | :07:13. | |
because she works so hard. She keeps a lovely home. She looks | :07:13. | :07:17. | |
keeps a lovely home. She looks keeps a lovely home. She looks | :07:17. | :07:19. | |
after Brad. It breaks my heart. after Brad. It breaks my heart. | :07:19. | :07:20. | |
after Brad. It breaks my heart. What's it been like, living this | :07:20. | :07:22. | |
What's it been like, living this What's it been like, living this | :07:22. | :07:24. | |
last six years? It has been last six years? It has been | :07:24. | :07:26. | |
last six years? It has been horrible, it has been an absolute | :07:26. | :07:27. | |
horrible, it has been an absolute horrible, it has been an absolute | :07:27. | :07:28. | |
nightmare. I've got a disabled nightmare. I've got a disabled | :07:28. | :07:29. | |
nightmare. I've got a disabled nightmare. I've got a disabled | :07:29. | :07:30. | |
child, we've got to be strong for child, we've got to be strong for | :07:30. | :07:31. | |
child, we've got to be strong for child, we've got to be strong for | :07:31. | :07:33. | |
him. I work long hours, he works him. I work long hours, he works | :07:33. | :07:35. | |
him. I work long hours, he works him. I work long hours, he works | :07:35. | :07:36. | |
long hours. And we pay our way as long hours. And we pay our way as | :07:36. | :07:37. | |
long hours. And we pay our way as we go. Consolidated Finance Ltd, | :07:37. | :07:38. | |
we go. Consolidated Finance Ltd, sister firm to Bankruptcy | :07:38. | :07:39. | |
sister firm to Bankruptcy sister firm to Bankruptcy | :07:39. | :07:40. | |
Protection Fund, are still trying Protection Fund, are still trying | :07:40. | :07:40. | |
Protection Fund, are still trying to repossess the Hindmarshes' home | :07:40. | :07:41. | |
to repossess the Hindmarshes' home to repossess the Hindmarshes' home | :07:41. | :07:42. | |
even after all these years. So, even after all these years. So, | :07:42. | :07:43. | |
even after all these years. So, even after all these years. So, | :07:43. | :07:45. | |
what exactly had they signed up to? what exactly had they signed up to? | :07:45. | :07:46. | |
what exactly had they signed up to? what exactly had they signed up to? | :07:46. | :07:47. | |
To find out, I took the contract to To find out, I took the contract to | :07:47. | :07:52. | |
To find out, I took the contract to an insolvency lawyer. It took | :07:52. | :07:53. | |
an insolvency lawyer. It took an insolvency lawyer. It took | :07:53. | :07:54. | |
an insolvency lawyer. It took several hours to go through it so | :07:54. | :07:55. | |
several hours to go through it so several hours to go through it so | :07:55. | :07:56. | |
several hours to go through it so for a lay person it would have | :07:56. | :07:57. | |
for a lay person it would have for a lay person it would have | :07:57. | :07:58. | |
for a lay person it would have taken them an awfully long time to | :07:58. | :07:59. | |
taken them an awfully long time to taken them an awfully long time to | :07:59. | :08:00. | |
taken them an awfully long time to figure out what is going on and | :08:00. | :08:01. | |
figure out what is going on and figure out what is going on and | :08:01. | :08:01. | |
probably they wouldn't have managed probably they wouldn't have managed | :08:01. | :08:04. | |
probably they wouldn't have managed probably they wouldn't have managed | :08:04. | :08:05. | |
it at all. So, what did they signed, it at all. So, what did they signed, | :08:05. | :08:07. | |
it at all. So, what did they signed, in plain English? They signed a | :08:07. | :08:09. | |
in plain English? They signed a contract which apparently for | :08:09. | :08:10. | |
contract which apparently for contract which apparently for | :08:10. | :08:11. | |
contract which apparently for �5,000 was meant to get them out of | :08:11. | :08:13. | |
�5,000 was meant to get them out of �5,000 was meant to get them out of | :08:13. | :08:13. | |
the bankruptcy. What would happen the bankruptcy. What would happen | :08:13. | :08:15. | |
the bankruptcy. What would happen would be the bankruptcy protection | :08:15. | :08:16. | |
would be the bankruptcy protection would be the bankruptcy protection | :08:16. | :08:18. | |
fund would apply for an annulment fund would apply for an annulment | :08:18. | :08:20. | |
fund would apply for an annulment of the bankruptcy. That means the | :08:20. | :08:20. | |
of the bankruptcy. That means the of the bankruptcy. That means the | :08:20. | :08:21. | |
bankruptcy order gets taken away bankruptcy order gets taken away | :08:21. | :08:23. | |
bankruptcy order gets taken away bankruptcy order gets taken away | :08:23. | :08:24. | |
completely as if it has never been completely as if it has never been | :08:24. | :08:25. | |
completely as if it has never been made in the first place. Basically, | :08:25. | :08:26. | |
made in the first place. Basically, made in the first place. Basically, | :08:26. | :08:28. | |
made in the first place. Basically, all the debts are paid off and they | :08:28. | :08:29. | |
all the debts are paid off and they all the debts are paid off and they | :08:29. | :08:30. | |
all the debts are paid off and they are free. It is a very attractive | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
are free. It is a very attractive are free. It is a very attractive | :08:33. | :08:34. | |
proposition. But as you dig deeper proposition. But as you dig deeper | :08:34. | :08:35. | |
proposition. But as you dig deeper into the contract and to the | :08:35. | :08:36. | |
into the contract and to the into the contract and to the | :08:36. | :08:37. | |
clauses, what is actually had no clauses, what is actually had no | :08:37. | :08:40. | |
clauses, what is actually had no way? What did you find? | :08:40. | :08:41. | |
way? What did you find? way? What did you find? | :08:41. | :08:43. | |
expectation there would be a charge expectation there would be a charge | :08:43. | :08:44. | |
expectation there would be a charge for the property granted to | :08:44. | :08:46. | |
for the property granted to for the property granted to | :08:46. | :08:48. | |
somebody else, actually, not the somebody else, actually, not the | :08:48. | :08:49. | |
bankruptcy protection from. They bankruptcy protection from. They | :08:49. | :08:50. | |
bankruptcy protection from. They thought they were dealing with one | :08:50. | :08:51. | |
thought they were dealing with one thought they were dealing with one | :08:51. | :08:53. | |
company and actually another one company and actually another one | :08:53. | :08:54. | |
company and actually another one was involved. They thought they | :08:54. | :08:56. | |
was involved. They thought they was involved. They thought they | :08:56. | :08:57. | |
were getting long-term finance and were getting long-term finance and | :08:57. | :08:58. | |
were getting long-term finance and were getting long-term finance and | :08:58. | :08:59. | |
when you look at what they were when you look at what they were | :08:59. | :09:00. | |
when you look at what they were getting, they were getting finance | :09:00. | :09:01. | |
getting, they were getting finance getting, they were getting finance | :09:01. | :09:02. | |
for three months, so a bridging for three months, so a bridging | :09:02. | :09:04. | |
for three months, so a bridging for three months, so a bridging | :09:04. | :09:05. | |
loan. It looked as though they were loan. It looked as though they were | :09:05. | :09:08. | |
loan. It looked as though they were paying 3% interest but after 18 | :09:08. | :09:09. | |
paying 3% interest but after 18 paying 3% interest but after 18 | :09:09. | :09:12. | |
months, they found their debt had months, they found their debt had | :09:12. | :09:13. | |
months, they found their debt had been doubled. In 2010, three years | :09:13. | :09:15. | |
been doubled. In 2010, three years been doubled. In 2010, three years | :09:15. | :09:15. | |
been doubled. In 2010, three years after they had signed up for the | :09:15. | :09:17. | |
after they had signed up for the after they had signed up for the | :09:17. | :09:19. | |
deal, both firms came under deal, both firms came under | :09:19. | :09:29. | |
:09:29. | :09:33. | ||
sustained criticism from the Office of Fair Trading. Bankruptcy | :09:33. | :09:34. | |
of Fair Trading. Bankruptcy Protection Fund and Consolidated | :09:34. | :09:35. | |
Protection Fund and Consolidated Protection Fund and Consolidated | :09:35. | :09:36. | |
Finance Ltd were warned they must Finance Ltd were warned they must | :09:36. | :09:37. | |
Finance Ltd were warned they must change their practices as they had | :09:37. | :09:38. | |
change their practices as they had change their practices as they had | :09:38. | :09:39. | |
not been transparent in their not been transparent in their | :09:39. | :09:40. | |
not been transparent in their dealings with customers and failed | :09:40. | :09:41. | |
dealings with customers and failed dealings with customers and failed | :09:41. | :09:41. | |
to adequately outline the risks to adequately outline the risks | :09:42. | :09:42. | |
to adequately outline the risks involved. Now, in their defence | :09:42. | :09:43. | |
involved. Now, in their defence involved. Now, in their defence | :09:43. | :09:44. | |
both the Bankruptcy Protection Fund both the Bankruptcy Protection Fund | :09:44. | :09:45. | |
and their sister company and their sister company | :09:45. | :09:46. | |
Consolidated Finance claim they've Consolidated Finance claim they've | :09:46. | :09:47. | |
addressed the problems identified addressed the problems identified | :09:47. | :09:48. | |
addressed the problems identified addressed the problems identified | :09:48. | :09:49. | |
by the OFT back in 2010. But that by the OFT back in 2010. But that | :09:49. | :09:50. | |
by the OFT back in 2010. But that hasn't stopped them from continuing | :09:50. | :09:51. | |
hasn't stopped them from continuing hasn't stopped them from continuing | :09:51. | :09:52. | |
to chase Mandy and Steve for to chase Mandy and Steve for | :09:52. | :09:53. | |
to chase Mandy and Steve for repossession of their home and in | :09:53. | :09:54. | |
repossession of their home and in repossession of their home and in | :09:54. | :09:55. | |
doing so getting themselves into doing so getting themselves into | :09:55. | :09:56. | |
doing so getting themselves into doing so getting themselves into | :09:56. | :09:56. | |
hot water with a judge when it was hot water with a judge when it was | :09:57. | :09:57. | |
discovered the Hindmarshes' discovered the Hindmarshes' | :09:57. | :09:58. | |
discovered the Hindmarshes' signatures on a crucial document | :09:58. | :10:08. | |
:10:08. | :10:09. | ||
signatures on a crucial document signatures on a crucial document | :10:09. | :10:09. | |
had been falsely witnessed. Witness had been falsely witnessed. Witness | :10:09. | :10:11. | |
had been falsely witnessed. Witness signatures had not been witnessed | :10:11. | :10:13. | |
signatures had not been witnessed signatures had not been witnessed | :10:13. | :10:14. | |
signatures had not been witnessed at all. They had tried to put | :10:14. | :10:15. | |
at all. They had tried to put at all. They had tried to put | :10:15. | :10:18. | |
Rogers on the property. They wanted Rogers on the property. They wanted | :10:18. | :10:19. | |
Rogers on the property. They wanted Rogers on the property. They wanted | :10:19. | :10:19. | |
the house. They had no idea of the house. They had no idea of | :10:20. | :10:21. | |
the house. They had no idea of getting a mortgage. They didn't | :10:21. | :10:21. | |
getting a mortgage. They didn't getting a mortgage. They didn't | :10:21. | :10:23. | |
know what they were doing. Instead know what they were doing. Instead | :10:23. | :10:24. | |
know what they were doing. Instead of winning the case against the | :10:24. | :10:25. | |
of winning the case against the Hindmarshes, Consolidated Finance | :10:25. | :10:26. | |
Hindmarshes, Consolidated Finance Hindmarshes, Consolidated Finance | :10:26. | :10:27. | |
Limited were criticised for slap- Limited were criticised for slap- | :10:27. | :10:28. | |
Limited were criticised for slap- dash litigation. The case was | :10:28. | :10:29. | |
dash litigation. The case was dash litigation. The case was | :10:29. | :10:30. | |
thrown out and the couple were thrown out and the couple were | :10:30. | :10:32. | |
thrown out and the couple were awarded legal costs. When we asked | :10:32. | :10:33. | |
awarded legal costs. When we asked Chris Holmes, Director of | :10:33. | :10:34. | |
Chris Holmes, Director of Consolidated Finance Limited and | :10:34. | :10:35. | |
Consolidated Finance Limited and Bankruptcy Protection Fund about | :10:35. | :10:36. | |
Bankruptcy Protection Fund about Bankruptcy Protection Fund about | :10:36. | :10:37. | |
Bankruptcy Protection Fund about this, via his lawyers, he tried to | :10:37. | :10:47. | |
:10:47. | :10:51. | ||
this, via his lawyers, he tried to Mr Holmes' right hand man is | :10:51. | :10:52. | |
Mr Holmes' right hand man is Mr Holmes' right hand man is | :10:52. | :10:53. | |
Michael Seward, general manager of Michael Seward, general manager of | :10:53. | :10:53. | |
Michael Seward, general manager of both Bankruptcy Protection Fund and | :10:53. | :10:57. | |
both Bankruptcy Protection Fund and both Bankruptcy Protection Fund and | :10:57. | :10:58. | |
Consolidated Finance. It was Mr Consolidated Finance. It was Mr | :10:58. | :10:59. | |
Consolidated Finance. It was Mr Seward who gave evidence against | :10:59. | :11:00. | |
Seward who gave evidence against Seward who gave evidence against | :11:00. | :11:00. | |
the Hindmarshes at County Court, the Hindmarshes at County Court, | :11:00. | :11:01. | |
the Hindmarshes at County Court, the Hindmarshes at County Court, | :11:01. | :11:02. | |
and when it comes to appearing in and when it comes to appearing in | :11:02. | :11:03. | |
and when it comes to appearing in court, Mr Seward's got quite a | :11:03. | :11:07. | |
court, Mr Seward's got quite a court, Mr Seward's got quite a | :11:07. | :11:08. | |
record. You see, here's his record. You see, here's his | :11:08. | :11:08. | |
record. You see, here's his Companies House Director form for | :11:08. | :11:09. | |
Companies House Director form for Companies House Director form for | :11:09. | :11:10. | |
Companies House Director form for 2005, where he lists himself as a | :11:10. | :11:16. | |
2005, where he lists himself as a 2005, where he lists himself as a | :11:16. | :11:17. | |
solicitor. Problem is, in 1999 solicitor. Problem is, in 1999 | :11:17. | :11:18. | |
solicitor. Problem is, in 1999 solicitor. Problem is, in 1999 | :11:18. | :11:18. | |
Michael Seward was struck off as a Michael Seward was struck off as a | :11:19. | :11:19. | |
Michael Seward was struck off as a solicitor and sent to prison for | :11:20. | :11:21. | |
solicitor and sent to prison for solicitor and sent to prison for | :11:21. | :11:29. | |
six months for false accounting. six months for false accounting. | :11:29. | :11:31. | |
six months for false accounting. six months for false accounting. | :11:31. | :11:31. | |
Shouldn't be trusted at all. He is Shouldn't be trusted at all. He is | :11:31. | :11:32. | |
Shouldn't be trusted at all. He is Shouldn't be trusted at all. He is | :11:33. | :11:33. | |
a dishonest man. Keith Freer is a a dishonest man. Keith Freer is a | :11:33. | :11:34. | |
a dishonest man. Keith Freer is a solicitor. Back in 1997, he was | :11:34. | :11:35. | |
solicitor. Back in 1997, he was solicitor. Back in 1997, he was | :11:35. | :11:36. | |
solicitor. Back in 1997, he was asked by The Law Society to take | :11:36. | :11:37. | |
asked by The Law Society to take over Michael Seward's practice, | :11:37. | :11:38. | |
over Michael Seward's practice, over Michael Seward's practice, | :11:38. | :11:45. | |
upon which he discovered serious upon which he discovered serious | :11:45. | :11:47. | |
upon which he discovered serious problems. What were those problems? | :11:47. | :11:49. | |
problems. What were those problems? problems. What were those problems? | :11:49. | :11:51. | |
Theft from client accounts, mainly Theft from client accounts, mainly | :11:51. | :11:51. | |
Theft from client accounts, mainly probates where the accounts had | :11:52. | :11:53. | |
probates where the accounts had probates where the accounts had | :11:53. | :11:54. | |
probates where the accounts had been stated, so a cheque would come | :11:54. | :11:56. | |
been stated, so a cheque would come been stated, so a cheque would come | :11:56. | :11:57. | |
been stated, so a cheque would come in for �18,000, say, and he would | :11:57. | :11:59. | |
in for �18,000, say, and he would in for �18,000, say, and he would | :11:59. | :12:03. | |
record a payment of �10,000. Fraud? record a payment of �10,000. Fraud? | :12:03. | :12:04. | |
record a payment of �10,000. Fraud? Effectively. What was the -- | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
Effectively. What was the -- convicted of? Misappropriation.So, | :12:08. | :12:09. | |
convicted of? Misappropriation.So, convicted of? Misappropriation.So, | :12:09. | :12:10. | |
we have two central questions. Why we have two central questions. Why | :12:10. | :12:11. | |
we have two central questions. Why are the Hindmarsh family still | :12:11. | :12:12. | |
are the Hindmarsh family still are the Hindmarsh family still | :12:12. | :12:13. | |
being chased for an ever growing being chased for an ever growing | :12:13. | :12:14. | |
being chased for an ever growing debt? And what was Michael Seward | :12:14. | :12:15. | |
debt? And what was Michael Seward debt? And what was Michael Seward | :12:15. | :12:16. | |
doing passing himself off as a doing passing himself off as a | :12:16. | :12:21. | |
solicitor on Companies House solicitor on Companies House | :12:21. | :12:22. | |
solicitor on Companies House documentation? After all, to do so | :12:22. | :12:23. | |
documentation? After all, to do so is a criminal offence, | :12:23. | :12:24. | |
is a criminal offence, misrepresentation under section 21 | :12:24. | :12:29. | |
misrepresentation under section 21 misrepresentation under section 21 | :12:29. | :12:30. | |
of The Solicitors' Act. We put of The Solicitors' Act. We put | :12:30. | :12:31. | |
of The Solicitors' Act. We put these two questions to Mr Holmes, | :12:31. | :12:32. | |
these two questions to Mr Holmes, these two questions to Mr Holmes, | :12:32. | :12:33. | |
and through his lawyers, here's and through his lawyers, here's | :12:33. | :12:39. | |
and through his lawyers, here's Firstly, yes they are still chasing | :12:39. | :12:40. | |
Firstly, yes they are still chasing Firstly, yes they are still chasing | :12:40. | :12:41. | |
the Hindmarsh family for the debt the Hindmarsh family for the debt | :12:41. | :12:42. | |
the Hindmarsh family for the debt but they recognise that they will | :12:42. | :12:43. | |
but they recognise that they will but they recognise that they will | :12:43. | :12:44. | |
but they recognise that they will not be able to recover all of what | :12:44. | :12:45. | |
not be able to recover all of what not be able to recover all of what | :12:45. | :12:55. | |
:12:55. | :13:01. | ||
This afternoon, the lawyers went This afternoon, the lawyers went | :13:01. | :13:02. | |
This afternoon, the lawyers went further by insisting the family | :13:02. | :13:04. | |
further by insisting the family further by insisting the family | :13:04. | :13:05. | |
never intended to get a remortgage never intended to get a remortgage | :13:05. | :13:07. | |
never intended to get a remortgage stating instead they wanted to sell | :13:07. | :13:09. | |
stating instead they wanted to sell stating instead they wanted to sell | :13:09. | :13:10. | |
their home. Finally, what of their home. Finally, what of | :13:10. | :13:20. | |
:13:20. | :13:28. | ||
Which, as excuses go, we find a Which, as excuses go, we find a | :13:28. | :13:30. | |
Which, as excuses go, we find a Which, as excuses go, we find a | :13:30. | :13:31. | |
little hard to swallow. You see, we little hard to swallow. You see, we | :13:31. | :13:32. | |
little hard to swallow. You see, we found four Companies House forms | :13:32. | :13:33. | |
found four Companies House forms found four Companies House forms | :13:33. | :13:33. | |
stating Mr Seward's profession as a stating Mr Seward's profession as a | :13:33. | :13:35. | |
stating Mr Seward's profession as a stating Mr Seward's profession as a | :13:35. | :13:35. | |
solicitor and at the bottom of each solicitor and at the bottom of each | :13:35. | :13:43. | |
solicitor and at the bottom of each form is his signature. In November, | :13:43. | :13:44. | |
form is his signature. In November, form is his signature. In November, | :13:44. | :13:45. | |
the Bankruptcy Protection Fund Ltd the Bankruptcy Protection Fund Ltd | :13:45. | :13:45. | |
the Bankruptcy Protection Fund Ltd and Consolidated Finance Ltd tried | :13:46. | :13:46. | |
and Consolidated Finance Ltd tried and Consolidated Finance Ltd tried | :13:46. | :13:47. | |
and Consolidated Finance Ltd tried again to take Mandy to court for | :13:47. | :13:53. | |
again to take Mandy to court for again to take Mandy to court for | :13:53. | :13:54. | |
her home. Days before proceedings her home. Days before proceedings | :13:54. | :13:55. | |
her home. Days before proceedings were to start, they pulled out.So | :13:55. | :13:56. | |
were to start, they pulled out.So were to start, they pulled out.So | :13:56. | :13:57. | |
they thought they were dealing with they thought they were dealing with | :13:57. | :13:58. | |
they thought they were dealing with one company and actually another | :13:58. | :14:03. | |
one company and actually another one company and actually another | :14:03. | :14:05. | |
one company and actually another was involved. With a few hours to | :14:05. | :14:06. | |
was involved. With a few hours to was involved. With a few hours to | :14:06. | :14:07. | |
go, Christopher Holmes has been in go, Christopher Holmes has been in | :14:07. | :14:08. | |
go, Christopher Holmes has been in go, Christopher Holmes has been in | :14:08. | :14:09. | |
touch saying he would like now to touch saying he would like now to | :14:09. | :14:11. | |
touch saying he would like now to take part in our programme. In | :14:11. | :14:12. | |
take part in our programme. In take part in our programme. In | :14:12. | :14:14. | |
take part in our programme. In practical terms, it is far too late. | :14:14. | :14:15. | |
practical terms, it is far too late. practical terms, it is far too late. | :14:15. | :14:16. | |
practical terms, it is far too late. As for Mandy, she knows what she | :14:16. | :14:19. | |
As for Mandy, she knows what she As for Mandy, she knows what she | :14:19. | :14:20. | |
As for Mandy, she knows what she wants. I want them to rot in hell. | :14:20. | :14:21. | |
wants. I want them to rot in hell. wants. I want them to rot in hell. | :14:21. | :14:26. | |
wants. I want them to rot in hell. wants. I want them to rot in hell. | :14:26. | :14:27. | |
I want them to go away. And I want I want them to go away. And I want | :14:27. | :14:28. | |
I want them to go away. And I want I want them to go away. And I want | :14:28. | :14:29. | |
them to live an unhappy life. Might them to live an unhappy life. Might | :14:29. | :14:34. | |
them to live an unhappy life. Might they have done for me. | :14:35. | :14:39. | |
they have done for me. Glenn Campbell reporting. | :14:39. | :14:41. | |
Glenn Campbell reporting. Glenn Campbell reporting. | :14:41. | :14:47. | |
Glenn Campbell reporting. Coming up on Inside Out: I decided | :14:47. | :14:48. | |
Coming up on Inside Out: I decided Coming up on Inside Out: I decided | :14:48. | :14:52. | |
Coming up on Inside Out: I decided I didn't want to live through it. | :14:52. | :14:53. | |
I didn't want to live through it. I didn't want to live through it. | :14:53. | :14:54. | |
I didn't want to live through it. thought I would stand there and get | :14:54. | :14:58. | |
thought I would stand there and get thought I would stand there and get | :14:58. | :14:59. | |
it over with. The children serving it over with. The children serving | :14:59. | :15:00. | |
it over with. The children serving a hidden sentence. Emma Thomas has | :15:00. | :15:01. | |
a hidden sentence. Emma Thomas has a hidden sentence. Emma Thomas has | :15:01. | :15:02. | |
been speaking to families who have been speaking to families who have | :15:02. | :15:03. | |
been speaking to families who have been separated from their fathers | :15:03. | :15:04. | |
been separated from their fathers been separated from their fathers | :15:04. | :15:14. | |
:15:14. | :15:19. | ||
through no fault of their own. through no fault of their own. | :15:19. | :15:20. | |
through no fault of their own. through no fault of their own. | :15:20. | :15:21. | |
The red train set off at speed... The red train set off at speed... | :15:21. | :15:24. | |
The red train set off at speed... Jayden is three. It's bedtime and | :15:24. | :15:25. | |
Jayden is three. It's bedtime and Jayden is three. It's bedtime and | :15:25. | :15:30. | |
his daddy's telling a story. his daddy's telling a story. | :15:30. | :15:31. | |
his daddy's telling a story. father is away and he's listening | :15:31. | :15:32. | |
father is away and he's listening father is away and he's listening | :15:32. | :15:39. | |
father is away and he's listening to a recording of his voice. | :15:39. | :15:40. | |
to a recording of his voice. to a recording of his voice. | :15:40. | :15:45. | |
to a recording of his voice. was that on the tape? A daddy.Do | :15:45. | :15:47. | |
was that on the tape? A daddy.Do was that on the tape? A daddy.Do | :15:47. | :15:51. | |
was that on the tape? A daddy.Do was that on the tape? A daddy.Do | :15:51. | :15:51. | |
you Mr de? Yes. He is at work.-- you Mr de? Yes. He is at work.-- | :15:52. | :15:54. | |
you Mr de? Yes. He is at work.-- you Mr de? Yes. He is at work.-- | :15:54. | :15:55. | |
do you miss Daddy? He cannot come do you miss Daddy? He cannot come | :15:55. | :15:56. | |
do you miss Daddy? He cannot come home. But Jayden's father isn't at | :15:56. | :15:57. | |
home. But Jayden's father isn't at home. But Jayden's father isn't at | :15:57. | :15:58. | |
home. But Jayden's father isn't at work. In fact, he's going to be | :15:58. | :15:59. | |
work. In fact, he's going to be work. In fact, he's going to be | :15:59. | :16:00. | |
work. In fact, he's going to be away for many years. As many as 10 | :16:00. | :16:01. | |
away for many years. As many as 10 away for many years. As many as 10 | :16:01. | :16:02. | |
away for many years. As many as 10 years if he serves all his sentence. | :16:02. | :16:03. | |
years if he serves all his sentence. years if he serves all his sentence. | :16:03. | :16:04. | |
You see, Jayden's father is in You see, Jayden's father is in | :16:04. | :16:05. | |
You see, Jayden's father is in prison, and this bedtime story is | :16:05. | :16:06. | |
prison, and this bedtime story is prison, and this bedtime story is | :16:06. | :16:07. | |
prison, and this bedtime story is just one of a number of initiatives | :16:07. | :16:08. | |
just one of a number of initiatives just one of a number of initiatives | :16:08. | :16:08. | |
where the children of prisoner's where the children of prisoner's | :16:08. | :16:09. | |
where the children of prisoner's are being encouraged to keep | :16:09. | :16:10. | |
are being encouraged to keep parenting, even though they're | :16:10. | :16:13. | |
parenting, even though they're parenting, even though they're | :16:13. | :16:15. | |
behind bars. This is Lydia Burton, behind bars. This is Lydia Burton, | :16:15. | :16:16. | |
behind bars. This is Lydia Burton, Jayden's mother. Last year, her | :16:16. | :16:18. | |
Jayden's mother. Last year, her Jayden's mother. Last year, her | :16:18. | :16:19. | |
world crumbled. When her husband world crumbled. When her husband | :16:19. | :16:21. | |
world crumbled. When her husband world crumbled. When her husband | :16:21. | :16:22. | |
Dean was sent to prison. He was Dean was sent to prison. He was | :16:22. | :16:23. | |
Dean was sent to prison. He was found guilty of conspiring to | :16:23. | :16:24. | |
found guilty of conspiring to found guilty of conspiring to | :16:24. | :16:25. | |
import drugs after they were found import drugs after they were found | :16:25. | :16:26. | |
import drugs after they were found import drugs after they were found | :16:26. | :16:33. | |
on one of his lorries in Dover. on one of his lorries in Dover. | :16:33. | :16:35. | |
on one of his lorries in Dover. on one of his lorries in Dover. | :16:35. | :16:36. | |
far as he is concerned, Daddy is at far as he is concerned, Daddy is at | :16:36. | :16:38. | |
far as he is concerned, Daddy is at far as he is concerned, Daddy is at | :16:38. | :16:38. | |
work, we go and see daddy because work, we go and see daddy because | :16:38. | :16:40. | |
work, we go and see daddy because work, we go and see daddy because | :16:40. | :16:41. | |
he has to stay at work and he he has to stay at work and he | :16:41. | :16:43. | |
he has to stay at work and he cannot come home. That impact on | :16:43. | :16:46. | |
cannot come home. That impact on cannot come home. That impact on | :16:46. | :16:47. | |
cannot come home. That impact on their lives is huge. What Lydia is | :16:47. | :16:48. | |
their lives is huge. What Lydia is their lives is huge. What Lydia is | :16:48. | :16:49. | |
focusing on is improving the amount focusing on is improving the amount | :16:49. | :16:50. | |
focusing on is improving the amount of family visits. Prisoners like | :16:50. | :16:54. | |
of family visits. Prisoners like of family visits. Prisoners like | :16:54. | :16:56. | |
her husband are allowed time with her husband are allowed time with | :16:56. | :17:01. | |
her husband are allowed time with their children whilst locked away. | :17:01. | :17:03. | |
their children whilst locked away. their children whilst locked away. | :17:03. | :17:03. | |
their children whilst locked away. Thank you for coming to this first | :17:04. | :17:08. | |
Thank you for coming to this first Thank you for coming to this first | :17:08. | :17:10. | |
meeting. We are here for the meeting. We are here for the | :17:10. | :17:11. | |
meeting. We are here for the children. And they're right to have | :17:11. | :17:12. | |
children. And they're right to have children. And they're right to have | :17:12. | :17:17. | |
a relationship with their parents. a relationship with their parents. | :17:17. | :17:17. | |
a relationship with their parents. a relationship with their parents. | :17:17. | :17:19. | |
She's one of the number of voices She's one of the number of voices | :17:19. | :17:20. | |
She's one of the number of voices that think that time with parents | :17:20. | :17:24. | |
that think that time with parents that think that time with parents | :17:24. | :17:24. | |
is key. Angus Mulready-Jones works is key. Angus Mulready-Jones works | :17:24. | :17:25. | |
is key. Angus Mulready-Jones works for a charity campaigning for | :17:25. | :17:26. | |
for a charity campaigning for better contact between prisoners | :17:26. | :17:29. | |
better contact between prisoners better contact between prisoners | :17:29. | :17:30. | |
and their families. We know that and their families. We know that | :17:30. | :17:31. | |
parental imprisonment causes poorer parental imprisonment causes poorer | :17:31. | :17:32. | |
parental imprisonment causes poorer outcomes for children and can lead | :17:32. | :17:35. | |
outcomes for children and can lead to inter-generational offending. It | :17:35. | :17:38. | |
to inter-generational offending. It to inter-generational offending. It | :17:38. | :17:40. | |
to inter-generational offending. It is much more for society -- much | :17:40. | :17:42. | |
is much more for society -- much is much more for society -- much | :17:42. | :17:43. | |
more disruptive for society when more disruptive for society when | :17:43. | :17:48. | |
more disruptive for society when more disruptive for society when | :17:48. | :17:49. | |
parents are away. Some of you may parents are away. Some of you may | :17:49. | :17:50. | |
parents are away. Some of you may parents are away. Some of you may | :17:50. | :17:50. | |
think they have done the crime so think they have done the crime so | :17:50. | :17:51. | |
think they have done the crime so think they have done the crime so | :17:51. | :17:53. | |
they have to do that time and just they have to do that time and just | :17:53. | :17:53. | |
they have to do that time and just they have to do that time and just | :17:53. | :17:55. | |
as his justice and that few is fair. as his justice and that few is fair. | :17:55. | :17:56. | |
as his justice and that few is fair. as his justice and that few is fair. | :17:56. | :17:56. | |
But when it comes to serving a But when it comes to serving a | :17:56. | :17:57. | |
But when it comes to serving a sentence, how much family time a | :17:58. | :17:58. | |
sentence, how much family time a sentence, how much family time a | :17:58. | :17:59. | |
prisoner gets is a controversial prisoner gets is a controversial | :17:59. | :18:00. | |
prisoner gets is a controversial prisoner gets is a controversial | :18:00. | :18:08. | |
issue and gets to heart of how we But according to some experts | :18:08. | :18:09. | |
But according to some experts letting prisoners have constructive | :18:09. | :18:10. | |
letting prisoners have constructive letting prisoners have constructive | :18:10. | :18:11. | |
and frequent contact with their and frequent contact with their | :18:11. | :18:11. | |
and frequent contact with their children can reduce re-offending by | :18:11. | :18:12. | |
children can reduce re-offending by children can reduce re-offending by | :18:12. | :18:22. | |
:18:22. | :18:26. | ||
children can reduce re-offending by as much as 39 %. Prisoners who have | :18:26. | :18:27. | |
as much as 39 %. Prisoners who have as much as 39 %. Prisoners who have | :18:27. | :18:28. | |
or maintain contact with their or maintain contact with their | :18:28. | :18:29. | |
or maintain contact with their or maintain contact with their | :18:29. | :18:30. | |
families are far more likely to have families are far more likely to have | :18:30. | :18:31. | |
families are far more likely to have somewhere to live when they are | :18:31. | :18:32. | |
somewhere to live when they are somewhere to live when they are | :18:32. | :18:33. | |
released from prison and they are released from prison and they are | :18:33. | :18:34. | |
released from prison and they are released from prison and they are | :18:34. | :18:34. | |
far more likely to have a potential far more likely to have a potential | :18:34. | :18:35. | |
far more likely to have a potential far more likely to have a potential | :18:35. | :18:36. | |
job, or actually a job and so they job, or actually a job and so they | :18:36. | :18:37. | |
job, or actually a job and so they job, or actually a job and so they | :18:37. | :18:38. | |
also have. I mean clearly they will also have. I mean clearly they will | :18:38. | :18:39. | |
also have. I mean clearly they will have the support of their families | :18:39. | :18:40. | |
have the support of their families for seeking employment and | :18:40. | :18:41. | |
for seeking employment and for seeking employment and | :18:41. | :18:42. | |
resettling back into the community, resettling back into the community, | :18:42. | :18:43. | |
resettling back into the community, resettling back into the community, | :18:43. | :18:44. | |
so all of these things tie in very so all of these things tie in very | :18:44. | :18:45. | |
so all of these things tie in very nicely to the notions of | :18:45. | :18:46. | |
nicely to the notions of nicely to the notions of | :18:46. | :18:46. | |
rehabilitation and the fact that rehabilitation and the fact that | :18:46. | :18:47. | |
rehabilitation and the fact that people don?t reoffend when they | :18:47. | :18:48. | |
people don?t reoffend when they people don?t reoffend when they | :18:48. | :18:49. | |
leave prison. There is an argument leave prison. There is an argument | :18:49. | :18:50. | |
leave prison. There is an argument isn?t there that actually they are | :18:50. | :18:51. | |
isn?t there that actually they are isn?t there that actually they are | :18:51. | :18:52. | |
isn?t there that actually they are in jail to be punished. I think | :18:52. | :18:53. | |
in jail to be punished. I think in jail to be punished. I think | :18:53. | :18:54. | |
in jail to be punished. I think there is an argument that people in | :18:54. | :18:55. | |
there is an argument that people in there is an argument that people in | :18:55. | :18:56. | |
there is an argument that people in jail are there to be punished, they | :18:56. | :18:56. | |
jail are there to be punished, they jail are there to be punished, they | :18:57. | :18:58. | |
are also there to be rehabilitated are also there to be rehabilitated | :18:58. | :18:58. | |
are also there to be rehabilitated are also there to be rehabilitated | :18:58. | :18:59. | |
and what I think society wants is and what I think society wants is | :18:59. | :19:00. | |
and what I think society wants is less crime, they don?t want people | :19:00. | :19:01. | |
less crime, they don?t want people being punished unnecessarily, the | :19:01. | :19:02. | |
being punished unnecessarily, the being punished unnecessarily, the | :19:02. | :19:03. | |
being punished unnecessarily, the other thing to say is that the | :19:03. | :19:04. | |
other thing to say is that the 200,000 children who experience | :19:04. | :19:05. | |
200,000 children who experience parental imprisonment every year | :19:05. | :19:11. | |
parental imprisonment every year parental imprisonment every year | :19:11. | :19:11. | |
haven?t done anything wrong. I?ve haven?t done anything wrong. I?ve | :19:11. | :19:12. | |
haven?t done anything wrong. I?ve haven?t done anything wrong. I?ve | :19:12. | :19:13. | |
come to meet a man who has first come to meet a man who has first | :19:13. | :19:14. | |
come to meet a man who has first hand experience of parenting behind | :19:14. | :19:16. | |
hand experience of parenting behind hand experience of parenting behind | :19:16. | :19:17. | |
hand experience of parenting behind bars. He served time in Lewes for | :19:17. | :19:26. | |
bars. He served time in Lewes for bars. He served time in Lewes for | :19:26. | :19:28. | |
grevious bodily harm. It meant he grevious bodily harm. It meant he | :19:28. | :19:29. | |
grevious bodily harm. It meant he was separated from his daughter and | :19:29. | :19:32. | |
was separated from his daughter and was separated from his daughter and | :19:32. | :19:33. | |
was separated from his daughter and he could only have a two visits each | :19:34. | :19:36. | |
he could only have a two visits each he could only have a two visits each | :19:36. | :19:37. | |
he could only have a two visits each month. You are not allowed of your | :19:37. | :19:39. | |
month. You are not allowed of your month. You are not allowed of your | :19:39. | :19:42. | |
month. You are not allowed of your seat. It is very hard on myself as | :19:42. | :19:43. | |
seat. It is very hard on myself as seat. It is very hard on myself as | :19:43. | :19:43. | |
seat. It is very hard on myself as the father, but it must have been | :19:43. | :19:44. | |
the father, but it must have been the father, but it must have been | :19:44. | :19:51. | |
the father, but it must have been harder for my daughter as well. | :19:52. | :19:53. | |
harder for my daughter as well. harder for my daughter as well. | :19:53. | :19:53. | |
prison should be punishment isn?t prison should be punishment isn?t | :19:53. | :19:54. | |
prison should be punishment isn?t prison should be punishment isn?t | :19:54. | :19:55. | |
it? All right, punish me, but don?t it? All right, punish me, but don?t | :19:55. | :19:56. | |
it? All right, punish me, but don?t punish your family, your loved ones, | :19:56. | :19:57. | |
punish your family, your loved ones, punish your family, your loved ones, | :19:57. | :19:58. | |
punish your family, your loved ones, I?m the one that?s done wrong, so | :19:58. | :19:59. | |
I?m the one that?s done wrong, so I?m the one that?s done wrong, so | :19:59. | :20:00. | |
I?m the one that?s done wrong, so why punish the other ones? Here on | :20:00. | :20:01. | |
why punish the other ones? Here on why punish the other ones? Here on | :20:01. | :20:01. | |
why punish the other ones? Here on the Isle of Sheppey, where there are | :20:01. | :20:02. | |
the Isle of Sheppey, where there are the Isle of Sheppey, where there are | :20:02. | :20:03. | |
three prisons, a support network is three prisons, a support network is | :20:03. | :20:04. | |
three prisons, a support network is growing for the families left to | :20:04. | :20:05. | |
growing for the families left to growing for the families left to | :20:05. | :20:06. | |
growing for the families left to cope on the outside while Dad?s is | :20:06. | :20:15. | |
cope on the outside while Dad?s is cope on the outside while Dad?s is | :20:15. | :20:16. | |
locked away. Pauline Neal is locked away. Pauline Neal is | :20:16. | :20:26. | |
:20:26. | :20:36. | ||
responsible for organising family responsible for organising family | :20:36. | :20:37. | |
responsible for organising family responsible for organising family | :20:37. | :20:37. | |
days. Pauline says the simple act of days. Pauline says the simple act of | :20:37. | :20:38. | |
days. Pauline says the simple act of days. Pauline says the simple act of | :20:38. | :20:39. | |
play can change how the prisoner and play can change how the prisoner and | :20:39. | :20:41. | |
play can change how the prisoner and play can change how the prisoner and | :20:41. | :20:42. | |
his child view the world. I do his child view the world. I do | :20:42. | :20:43. | |
his child view the world. I do his child view the world. I do | :20:43. | :20:43. | |
believe a bond between the dad and believe a bond between the dad and | :20:43. | :20:44. | |
believe a bond between the dad and their child can be strengthened and | :20:44. | :20:46. | |
their child can be strengthened and their child can be strengthened and | :20:46. | :20:47. | |
their child can be strengthened and I feel that many of the prison will | :20:47. | :20:48. | |
I feel that many of the prison will I feel that many of the prison will | :20:48. | :20:48. | |
actually look again, you know actually look again, you know | :20:48. | :20:49. | |
actually look again, you know actually this isn?t just me, this | :20:49. | :20:50. | |
actually this isn?t just me, this actually this isn?t just me, this | :20:50. | :20:51. | |
actually this isn?t just me, this has affected my whole family and my | :20:51. | :20:52. | |
has affected my whole family and my has affected my whole family and my | :20:52. | :20:53. | |
child?s living that hidden sentence. child?s living that hidden sentence. | :20:53. | :20:54. | |
child?s living that hidden sentence. Research suggests children with a | :20:54. | :20:55. | |
Research suggests children with a Research suggests children with a | :20:55. | :20:56. | |
parent in prison are likely to parent in prison are likely to | :20:56. | :21:06. | |
:21:06. | :21:10. | ||
experience depression and social experience depression and social | :21:10. | :21:11. | |
experience depression and social exclusion. To what extent prisoners | :21:11. | :21:12. | |
exclusion. To what extent prisoners exclusion. To what extent prisoners | :21:12. | :21:13. | |
should be allowed to see their should be allowed to see their | :21:13. | :21:14. | |
should be allowed to see their children is controversial. But some | :21:14. | :21:15. | |
children is controversial. But some children is controversial. But some | :21:15. | :21:16. | |
children is controversial. But some say maybe it?s time for a re-think | :21:16. | :21:16. | |
say maybe it?s time for a re-think say maybe it?s time for a re-think | :21:17. | :21:17. | |
about how much family time is about how much family time is | :21:18. | :21:19. | |
allowed behind bars. allowed behind bars. | :21:19. | :21:20. | |
allowed behind bars. allowed behind bars. | :21:20. | :21:21. | |
Now, we all know the effects of a Now, we all know the effects of a | :21:21. | :21:22. | |
Now, we all know the effects of a nuclear war could be devastating and | :21:22. | :21:23. | |
nuclear war could be devastating and nuclear war could be devastating and | :21:23. | :21:24. | |
in the mid-sixties the threat was in the mid-sixties the threat was | :21:24. | :21:25. | |
in the mid-sixties the threat was very real indeed. Vince Rogers meets | :21:25. | :21:26. | |
very real indeed. Vince Rogers meets very real indeed. Vince Rogers meets | :21:26. | :21:27. | |
very real indeed. Vince Rogers meets a group of local people who came a | :21:27. | :21:28. | |
a group of local people who came a a group of local people who came a | :21:28. | :21:29. | |
little bit closer to the experience little bit closer to the experience | :21:29. | :21:39. | |
:21:39. | :21:43. | ||
little bit closer to the experience Rochester in Kent. Two square miles | :21:43. | :21:45. | |
Rochester in Kent. Two square miles Rochester in Kent. Two square miles | :21:45. | :21:48. | |
of fire, the heat of a nuclear of fire, the heat of a nuclear | :21:48. | :21:48. | |
of fire, the heat of a nuclear explosion. Fortunately this is all | :21:48. | :21:50. | |
explosion. Fortunately this is all explosion. Fortunately this is all | :21:50. | :21:51. | |
explosion. Fortunately this is all fiction. In 1965 a film was shot in | :21:51. | :21:53. | |
fiction. In 1965 a film was shot in fiction. In 1965 a film was shot in | :21:53. | :21:54. | |
Kent. Deemed so disturbing the BBC Kent. Deemed so disturbing the BBC | :21:54. | :21:57. | |
Kent. Deemed so disturbing the BBC Kent. Deemed so disturbing the BBC | :21:57. | :21:57. | |
banned it for nearly 20 years. World banned it for nearly 20 years. World | :21:57. | :21:59. | |
banned it for nearly 20 years. World banned it for nearly 20 years. World | :21:59. | :21:59. | |
War Two was over & the superpowers War Two was over & the superpowers | :21:59. | :22:00. | |
War Two was over & the superpowers who overthrow Nazi Germany were | :22:00. | :22:01. | |
who overthrow Nazi Germany were who overthrow Nazi Germany were | :22:01. | :22:04. | |
desperate to create a new world desperate to create a new world | :22:04. | :22:05. | |
desperate to create a new world desperate to create a new world | :22:05. | :22:06. | |
order. Which led to the creation of order. Which led to the creation of | :22:06. | :22:07. | |
order. Which led to the creation of a new conflict, history would come | :22:07. | :22:08. | |
a new conflict, history would come a new conflict, history would come | :22:08. | :22:11. | |
a new conflict, history would come to know as the Cold War. The Early | :22:11. | :22:12. | |
to know as the Cold War. The Early to know as the Cold War. The Early | :22:12. | :22:13. | |
Sixties & times are changing with Sixties & times are changing with | :22:13. | :22:23. | |
:22:23. | :22:27. | ||
This was the ultimate standoff. This was the ultimate standoff. | :22:27. | :22:28. | |
World leaders literally had their World leaders literally had their | :22:28. | :22:29. | |
World leaders literally had their World leaders literally had their | :22:29. | :22:29. | |
finger on the button and we could finger on the button and we could | :22:29. | :22:30. | |
finger on the button and we could have been minutes away from the | :22:30. | :22:31. | |
have been minutes away from the have been minutes away from the | :22:31. | :22:36. | |
have been minutes away from the launch of a nuclear weapon at any | :22:36. | :22:46. | |
:22:46. | :23:04. | ||
At a Cold War bunker in Gravesend we At a Cold War bunker in Gravesend we | :23:04. | :23:05. | |
At a Cold War bunker in Gravesend we have assembled some of the cast for | :23:05. | :23:06. | |
have assembled some of the cast for have assembled some of the cast for | :23:06. | :23:10. | |
a special screening of the film. a special screening of the film. | :23:10. | :23:11. | |
a special screening of the film. a special screening of the film. | :23:11. | :23:12. | |
a special screening of the film. Although I have seen it before, | :23:12. | :23:13. | |
Although I have seen it before, Although I have seen it before, | :23:13. | :23:15. | |
watching it today, I was still watching it today, I was still | :23:15. | :23:19. | |
watching it today, I was still shocked. Absolutely shocked. A state | :23:19. | :23:22. | |
shocked. Absolutely shocked. A state shocked. Absolutely shocked. A state | :23:22. | :23:26. | |
of national emergency has been of national emergency has been | :23:26. | :23:27. | |
of national emergency has been announced. After you hear the | :23:27. | :23:28. | |
announced. After you hear the announced. After you hear the | :23:28. | :23:29. | |
announced. After you hear the facts, I decided that I did not want | :23:29. | :23:30. | |
facts, I decided that I did not want facts, I decided that I did not want | :23:30. | :23:31. | |
facts, I decided that I did not want to litter it. If there was a | :23:31. | :23:32. | |
to litter it. If there was a to litter it. If there was a | :23:32. | :23:33. | |
three-minute warning, I would like three-minute warning, I would like | :23:33. | :23:33. | |
three-minute warning, I would like three-minute warning, I would like | :23:33. | :23:34. | |
to stand in the middle of the road to stand in the middle of the road | :23:34. | :23:42. | |
to stand in the middle of the road to stand in the middle of the road | :23:42. | :23:44. | |
to stand in the middle of the road and get over and with. The film told | :23:44. | :23:45. | |
and get over and with. The film told and get over and with. The film told | :23:45. | :23:46. | |
and get over and with. The film told the bleak story of a nuclear attack | :23:46. | :23:53. | |
the bleak story of a nuclear attack the bleak story of a nuclear attack | :23:53. | :23:54. | |
the bleak story of a nuclear attack on Kent. The cast, well there was no | :23:54. | :23:55. | |
on Kent. The cast, well there was no on Kent. The cast, well there was no | :23:55. | :23:56. | |
big Hollywood stars involved, just big Hollywood stars involved, just | :23:56. | :23:57. | |
big Hollywood stars involved, just around 350 amateur actors from the | :23:57. | :23:59. | |
around 350 amateur actors from the around 350 amateur actors from the | :23:59. | :24:02. | |
around 350 amateur actors from the county. I happen to be there when | :24:02. | :24:03. | |
county. I happen to be there when county. I happen to be there when | :24:03. | :24:03. | |
county. I happen to be there when the film crew turned up. I was | :24:03. | :24:04. | |
the film crew turned up. I was the film crew turned up. I was | :24:04. | :24:05. | |
playing in the damaged buildings. playing in the damaged buildings. | :24:05. | :24:06. | |
playing in the damaged buildings. playing in the damaged buildings. | :24:06. | :24:07. | |
They asked us to play in the crowd They asked us to play in the crowd | :24:07. | :24:11. | |
They asked us to play in the crowd and scream and shout. Doctor | :24:11. | :24:12. | |
and scream and shout. Doctor and scream and shout. Doctor | :24:12. | :24:15. | |
Thornley stops to make an emergency Thornley stops to make an emergency | :24:15. | :24:16. | |
Thornley stops to make an emergency call. Canterbury. But it wasn?t just | :24:16. | :24:17. | |
call. Canterbury. But it wasn?t just call. Canterbury. But it wasn?t just | :24:17. | :24:18. | |
Kent?s amateur actors that were Kent?s amateur actors that were | :24:18. | :24:19. | |
Kent?s amateur actors that were being used in the piece. From | :24:19. | :24:20. | |
being used in the piece. From being used in the piece. From | :24:20. | :24:21. | |
Gravesend to Dover many of our Gravesend to Dover many of our | :24:21. | :24:22. | |
Gravesend to Dover many of our Gravesend to Dover many of our | :24:22. | :24:23. | |
locations made it to the final film locations made it to the final film | :24:23. | :24:24. | |
locations made it to the final film locations made it to the final film | :24:24. | :24:24. | |
as well. Christine Eyden was a young as well. Christine Eyden was a young | :24:24. | :24:25. | |
as well. Christine Eyden was a young as well. Christine Eyden was a young | :24:25. | :24:31. | |
teacher when she was given a part in teacher when she was given a part in | :24:31. | :24:32. | |
teacher when she was given a part in teacher when she was given a part in | :24:32. | :24:33. | |
the film. She?s come back to the the film. She?s come back to the | :24:33. | :24:34. | |
the film. She?s come back to the Grand Shaft Barracks in Dover with | :24:34. | :24:35. | |
Grand Shaft Barracks in Dover with Grand Shaft Barracks in Dover with | :24:35. | :24:36. | |
Grand Shaft Barracks in Dover with her son Phil, who helps with the | :24:36. | :24:42. | |
her son Phil, who helps with the her son Phil, who helps with the | :24:42. | :24:43. | |
her son Phil, who helps with the upkeep of the site. There was great | :24:43. | :24:44. | |
upkeep of the site. There was great upkeep of the site. There was great | :24:44. | :24:45. | |
big wind machine for the firestorm. big wind machine for the firestorm. | :24:45. | :24:46. | |
big wind machine for the firestorm. big wind machine for the firestorm. | :24:46. | :24:47. | |
We were running up and down in front We were running up and down in front | :24:47. | :24:51. | |
We were running up and down in front We were running up and down in front | :24:52. | :24:53. | |
of the wind machine. The fire was of the wind machine. The fire was | :24:53. | :24:54. | |
of the wind machine. The fire was over there. This is the phenomenon | :24:54. | :24:56. | |
over there. This is the phenomenon over there. This is the phenomenon | :24:56. | :24:58. | |
that could perhaps happen in Britain that could perhaps happen in Britain | :24:58. | :25:00. | |
that could perhaps happen in Britain following a nuclear strike against | :25:00. | :25:01. | |
following a nuclear strike against following a nuclear strike against | :25:01. | :25:02. | |
following a nuclear strike against some of our cities. We had go down | :25:02. | :25:05. | |
some of our cities. We had go down some of our cities. We had go down | :25:05. | :25:09. | |
some of our cities. We had go down therefore I met -- make make up. | :25:09. | :25:11. | |
therefore I met -- make make up. therefore I met -- make make up. | :25:11. | :25:14. | |
therefore I met -- make make up. They had to put Ross Krispies on our | :25:14. | :25:15. | |
They had to put Ross Krispies on our They had to put Ross Krispies on our | :25:15. | :25:16. | |
They had to put Ross Krispies on our face. We were blacked over. That was | :25:16. | :25:17. | |
face. We were blacked over. That was face. We were blacked over. That was | :25:17. | :25:27. | |
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face. We were blacked over. That was With breakfast cereal applied to | :25:28. | :25:29. | |
With breakfast cereal applied to With breakfast cereal applied to | :25:29. | :25:29. | |
faces for nuclear burns and wind faces for nuclear burns and wind | :25:29. | :25:31. | |
faces for nuclear burns and wind machines at the ready. The actors | :25:31. | :25:32. | |
machines at the ready. The actors machines at the ready. The actors | :25:32. | :25:33. | |
were poised to give the performance were poised to give the performance | :25:33. | :25:38. | |
were poised to give the performance were poised to give the performance | :25:38. | :25:38. | |
of a life time. I played two parts. of a life time. I played two parts. | :25:38. | :25:41. | |
of a life time. I played two parts. Originally, the first part I played | :25:41. | :25:42. | |
Originally, the first part I played Originally, the first part I played | :25:42. | :25:45. | |
Originally, the first part I played was a body in the firestorm. When we | :25:45. | :25:47. | |
was a body in the firestorm. When we was a body in the firestorm. When we | :25:47. | :25:47. | |
had a little walk-through, I was had a little walk-through, I was | :25:48. | :25:48. | |
had a little walk-through, I was had a little walk-through, I was | :25:48. | :25:51. | |
fine. I was lying on the floor. The fine. I was lying on the floor. The | :25:51. | :25:52. | |
fine. I was lying on the floor. The fine. I was lying on the floor. The | :25:52. | :25:53. | |
thing is, when I see the film, you thing is, when I see the film, you | :25:53. | :25:55. | |
thing is, when I see the film, you thing is, when I see the film, you | :25:55. | :25:56. | |
can't see me? I could only see my can't see me? I could only see my | :25:56. | :26:06. | |
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can't see me? I could only see my can't see me? I could only see my | :26:06. | :26:07. | |
own left foot! So the film was in own left foot! So the film was in | :26:07. | :26:08. | |
own left foot! So the film was in own left foot! So the film was in | :26:08. | :26:09. | |
the can and ready to be shown. Buses the can and ready to be shown. Buses | :26:09. | :26:10. | |
the can and ready to be shown. Buses the can and ready to be shown. Buses | :26:10. | :26:11. | |
full of cast members travelled up to full of cast members travelled up to | :26:11. | :26:13. | |
full of cast members travelled up to full of cast members travelled up to | :26:13. | :26:19. | |
a studio in London. They used to say a studio in London. They used to say | :26:19. | :26:26. | |
a studio in London. They used to say that... The final announcement was | :26:26. | :26:27. | |
that... The final announcement was that... The final announcement was | :26:27. | :26:28. | |
that... The final announcement was that the film should be here within | :26:28. | :26:29. | |
that the film should be here within that the film should be here within | :26:29. | :26:31. | |
20 minutes. 20 minutes later, they 20 minutes. 20 minutes later, they | :26:31. | :26:33. | |
20 minutes. 20 minutes later, they 20 minutes. 20 minutes later, they | :26:33. | :26:34. | |
said they do not know whether film said they do not know whether film | :26:34. | :26:38. | |
said they do not know whether film said they do not know whether film | :26:38. | :26:39. | |
is. You better go home! Thank you is. You better go home! Thank you | :26:39. | :26:42. | |
is. You better go home! Thank you is. You better go home! Thank you | :26:42. | :26:42. | |
for coming. They had a feeling that for coming. They had a feeling that | :26:42. | :26:45. | |
for coming. They had a feeling that the BBC had been under government | :26:45. | :26:46. | |
the BBC had been under government the BBC had been under government | :26:46. | :26:47. | |
pressure to lose the film, because pressure to lose the film, because | :26:47. | :26:48. | |
pressure to lose the film, because pressure to lose the film, because | :26:48. | :26:52. | |
it was the sort of thing that they it was the sort of thing that they | :26:52. | :26:53. | |
it was the sort of thing that they it was the sort of thing that they | :26:53. | :26:54. | |
did not want the public to see when did not want the public to see when | :26:54. | :26:55. | |
did not want the public to see when there was a threat of nuclear | :26:55. | :27:01. | |
there was a threat of nuclear there was a threat of nuclear | :27:01. | :27:02. | |
there was a threat of nuclear attack. But was the BBC right to ban | :27:02. | :27:03. | |
attack. But was the BBC right to ban attack. But was the BBC right to ban | :27:03. | :27:03. | |
attack. But was the BBC right to ban the film for nearly 20 years? | :27:04. | :27:06. | |
the film for nearly 20 years? the film for nearly 20 years? | :27:07. | :27:09. | |
you see the young children, with you see the young children, with | :27:09. | :27:10. | |
you see the young children, with people hiding under the table, it | :27:10. | :27:12. | |
people hiding under the table, it people hiding under the table, it | :27:12. | :27:17. | |
was quite awful. It was very was quite awful. It was very | :27:17. | :27:19. | |
distressing. Too distressing to distressing. Too distressing to | :27:19. | :27:20. | |
distressing. Too distressing to broadcast? I think it would have | :27:20. | :27:21. | |
broadcast? I think it would have broadcast? I think it would have | :27:21. | :27:25. | |
caused a lot of distress. Despite caused a lot of distress. Despite | :27:25. | :27:26. | |
caused a lot of distress. Despite being banned on the television the | :27:26. | :27:27. | |
being banned on the television the being banned on the television the | :27:27. | :27:27. | |
BBC reluctantly allowed a limited BBC reluctantly allowed a limited | :27:27. | :27:28. | |
BBC reluctantly allowed a limited BBC reluctantly allowed a limited | :27:28. | :27:29. | |
cinema release. And in 1967 the film cinema release. And in 1967 the film | :27:29. | :27:39. | |
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cinema release. And in 1967 the film cinema release. And in 1967 the film | :27:40. | :27:41. | |
won an Oscar for best documentary. won an Oscar for best documentary. | :27:41. | :27:41. | |
won an Oscar for best documentary. won an Oscar for best documentary. | :27:41. | :27:43. | |
won an Oscar for best documentary. have changed my CV to say I was in a | :27:43. | :27:50. | |
have changed my CV to say I was in a have changed my CV to say I was in a | :27:50. | :27:51. | |
Oscar-winning film! December 25. A Oscar-winning film! December 25. A | :27:51. | :27:53. | |
Oscar-winning film! December 25. A refugee compound in Dover, four | :27:53. | :27:55. | |
refugee compound in Dover, four refugee compound in Dover, four | :27:55. | :27:56. | |
months after the attack. Luckily months after the attack. Luckily | :27:56. | :27:57. | |
months after the attack. Luckily months after the attack. Luckily | :27:57. | :27:58. | |
cold war bunkers like this one were cold war bunkers like this one were | :27:58. | :27:59. | |
cold war bunkers like this one were never used for their intended use. | :27:59. | :28:00. | |
never used for their intended use. never used for their intended use. | :28:00. | :28:00. | |
never used for their intended use. And the only glimpse of a nuclear | :28:00. | :28:01. | |
And the only glimpse of a nuclear And the only glimpse of a nuclear | :28:01. | :28:02. | |
And the only glimpse of a nuclear attack on Kent was through a film | :28:02. | :28:06. | |
attack on Kent was through a film attack on Kent was through a film | :28:06. | :28:16. | |
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the last programme in the series. the last programme in the series. | :28:40. | :28:41. | |
the last programme in the series. the last programme in the series. | :28:41. | :28:42. | |
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Don't worry, we will be back in the autumn. Keep your stories coming in. | :28:44. | :28:45. | |
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