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South West. Tonight, we report into the ongoing

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investigation into the M5 crash. We have remarkable new testimony from

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those involved in one of Britain's worst ever motorway pile-ups.

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was like stepping on to a movie set. It wasn't real. 10 days on, the

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questions are still being asked. can't believe you can have a

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firework display so close to a motorway.

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Also tonight, Jonathan Foyle uncovers the strange story behind

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the monument that towers above St. Ives. That is dramatic. This is

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As the police continue their investigation into the M5 crash,

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we've been hearing remarkable testimony from those involved.

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was getting up to speed and a head, I noticed a white wall. I said,

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that is the thickest fog I have ever seen. The lorries hit cars in

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front of us and we could here bang, bang, bang from behind as well. It

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was hell. It was the worst noise running through your head, just

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screams of people, not knowing what to do first. The next thing was as

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if somebody had thrown a black blanket over the windscreen. It

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went jet-black. And Inside Out can reveal that no

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fog warnings were displayed on the M5's electronic signs at the time

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of the accident, despite forecasts and reports of poor visibility that

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night. BBC viewers had been warned of fog and so had the Highways

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Agency. At 4 o'clock, its website was sent a forecast of fog and mist

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at the Met Office. These conditions were experienced by eyewitness, Rob

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Weaving. There were small patches of foregone water on the ground, it

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was not raining heavily. Despite this, no warnings were displayed on

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the M5. We asked the Highways Agency, which controls the

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electronic boards, why? It said it had received no reports of adverse

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weather on any of its roads. And it said its control centre had been

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given advice by the Met Office that "did not highlight fog as a

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potential hazard" at the time of the crash. At around 8.15 that

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evening, a fireworks display at Taunton Rugby Club ended. A police

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investigation is ongoing into whether smoke from that played any

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part in the accident. Whatever the cause, for Ciara and Roger Neno

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there was no warning of what was to come as they joined the motorway at

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junction 25. We pulled on to the M five and we were getting up to

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speed behind an Icelander truck in the middle lane, when we rolled

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into a wall of a very sudden, very, very thick, what appeared to be fog.

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It was like somebody had thrown a hood over the windscreen of a car.

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You could not see a thing. Almost as soon as that had happened, I

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could see the truck, but it was stationery. I was closing fast from

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about 80 metres, closing quite quickly, and having to break very

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sharply. I literally stood on the brakes. I was thinking, we are not

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going to stop. But we did. We stopped about two, from my memory,

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about 10 feet to spare. The lorries had cars in front of us and we

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could hear bang, bang, buying from behind as well. It was rhythmical.

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It was just like a beach. -- beta. I turned to cure and said, we are

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going to get hit. -- cure. Based on post crash pictures, we've tried to

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indicate what happened in the aftermath of the accident. The

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vehicles represented may not be exactly where they ended up

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immediately after the crash. The Nenos were in the very first phase

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of the collision, and Ciara was one of the first to dial 999. I said,

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we need ambulance, fire brigade and police. I said this is not just a

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small crash, there are many, many crashes and I can see fire. Then

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came the second phase of the crash. A lorry jack-knifed behind them,

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protecting the couple from impact. After probably 90 seconds, they

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said, I'm not sitting here any longer, I have got to see what I

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can do. That is when I stepped out of the car. It was like stepping on

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to a movie set. You just don't figure is real for a minute. Just

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mangled bits of metal everywhere and I can hear the music from the

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rugby club, and I just keep thinking, God, they have no idea

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what is going on appear. Roger saw two men trapped in the car directly

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in front of him, he borrowed a tyre lever from a truck driver. I ran

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back and told the guy in the seat to turn away, and I smashed the

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window. It smashed first time. I pulled him out. The chapel on the

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other side was very dazed. He was in a worse way. We said, move over,

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we will get you out. We couldn't open his door because he was at the

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barrier. He said, why, I'm OK? I said look, you engine is gone and a

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car is smoking, it might go up in flames, you need to get out. We

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pulled him out. Tom Hamill, his girlfriend Catherine and Dad, had

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pulled up behind the jack-knifed lorry. They too were remarkably

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lucky not to have been hit. I just remember sat there and Thomas was

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like, we are going to get hit, brace yourselves. We heard and saw

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to the left, cars just crashing in. Someone shouted, please, take my

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baby, take my baby, my husband is trapped in a car, take my baby.

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dialled 999, standing at the central reservation, as more cars

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were crashing into the back of us. I remember they call handler saying,

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how many cars? I kept saying, there's more! In this third phase

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of the crash, Matt and Michelle Craker, their son Fred and three

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dogs, ended up wedged on the hard shoulder between a lorry and the

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crash barrier. We got out and the van and straight away in front, I

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could see flames. Not coming from us, not the car in front, but it

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seemed about 10 feet away, big flames. There was fire. I remember

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before I actually descended the bank, the lorry was well alight,

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looking to the right, the Roads Service was on fire. There had

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obviously been a fuel spill. The last image of looking at the van

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was from the bottom of the embankments, looking up. The cab of

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the vans had flames in it so the fire had spread through the lorry,

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into the van. That is really within a matter of minutes a bus coming to

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a halt. A dash of us. The other side of the blazing lorry, Roger

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Neno followed a young woman's cries for help. Her car was pinned under

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the jack-knifed lorry. I thought the car -- the fire would spread

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underneath and it would not take long. I jumped over. The front door

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or was slightly ajar or at the top. They were not move. I told her to

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move back and Swanley Aaron at the window and on the 4th attempt it

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broke. -- I swung the Arran. I pulled right. I was trying to keep

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her calm and not panic so as not to panic her. I was thinking, it is

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raining, drizzle is all we need, but there is this strong smell of

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fuel and the residual all over the floor. As I was doing this I saw

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the lady... The Lou DiBella was pained by her legs under the back

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wheel. -- the lady that was pained. She was pinned under the lorry. She

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was screaming, help, get me out. I was fearful that she would lie

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there and burn as well. With no chance of releasing her, Roger ran

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for help, returning with an off- duty doctor and one of the fire

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crews which were now arriving Despite the fireball, the woman was

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saved. I could see Roger going towards the car. There was a huge

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fireball behind. It just exploded and I screamed at him, get out!

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I've got everything was could go up. Despite a fireball, the woman was

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saved. Roger and Ciara spent hours at the scene helping with the

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relief effort. The time between the Nenos stopping, and the first

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emergency services arriving took about the time it's taken you to

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watch this film. 51 people were injured in the crash, seven died.

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The investigation may one day provide some answers. But for the

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people involved, the sights and sounds of that night will live with

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them for the rest of their lives. am talking about us and there are

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people who have lost family members and been permanently injured and

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their lives are changed for ever and... You know, I don't even have

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a scratch. It just doesn't make any sense. None at all. The police

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investigation continues. One line of inquiry is whether smoke from a

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fireworks display which was being held at Taunton Rugby Club may have

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been a contributing factor. It was billed as a dazzling night

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of family fun. But within 48 hours, this event was at the centre of a

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police criminal investigation. believe that whilst there was fog

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and there were difficult conditions that from witness evidence, there

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was significant smoke across the carriageway which cost a bank, so

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much to a far bank, which was very distracting it difficult to drive

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through. 10 days on, the question remains unanswered. Did a fireworks

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display at Taunton Rugby Club cause or contribute to Britain's worst

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motorway crash for 20 years? We wanted to talk to experts from the

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fireworks industry and those caught up in the tragedy. We found

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conflicting eyewitness accounts. cannot believe you can have a

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fireworks display so close to a motorway. It was foggy, so you

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would not be able to tell if there was smoke. The fireworks display

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with some were over there and I was over there. The accident happened

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just parallel, almost behind for ever read the posters. The -- where

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the rugby post is. Bev Davis heard the fireworks go off. It took her

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and her horses by surprise. couldn't believe it. I ran down to

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the entrance of the rugby club to ask them to stop so I could get my

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horses in. She went straight to talk to the organisers. While she

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was there, she raised the question of safety. A said I can't believe

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you can have a fireworks display so close to the motorway. The fact bet

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it was so bright and blaring, I just don't see how it could have

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been anything other than a distraction. A distraction and

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worries about smoke. Issues which have worried the public since the

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crash and ones the police are now examining. Tom Smith also takes an

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active interest. He's a pyrotechnics consultant. This is

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the rugby club, for the fireworks were fired from. This is the M5 and

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this is where the accident fight -- side was. He estimates the club is

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200 metres from the character way. These are low-level fireworks, and

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then hire of, Shiels bursting over the top. -- higher up. A Aurigny

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producing what looks like a lot of smoke? The amount of smoke I would

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expect from a display that size. We can see the fireworks clearly.

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There is obviously some smoke but it is not excessive. It will drift

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downwind but we do not know where the wind was. The forecast was for

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a south-westerly wind. If it is south-westerly the smoke would

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travel in this direction. That is parallel to the motorway ballad

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than towards it. Regardless of direction, what would happen to the

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smoke? It is finite. You cannot have a very thick and very deep. If

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it is over an extensive portion of the motorway Ben by necessity it

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must have been delayed and then. -- dilate and Fein. We decided to take

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a much closer look at the smoke generated by fireworks. Alan

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Christie's helping us. He detonates 16 tons of fireworks every year and

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is the man who puts the bang into the Bristol Balloon Fiesta. I have

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brought along a selection of the most ever got things you would find.

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There is a comical fountain, a 25 mm calibre, a Roman candle. Close

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up, this appeared to be very fine, almost like an aerosol spray. The

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Met Office has told us smoke can cause mist or fog to form in damp

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air. It can also thicken them up. But that's not what Alan's found

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from his experience with fireworks. Do you pick it would generate for

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almost? The not a chance. That is natural. The weather conditions,

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low pressure can help hold the smoke on the floor, but if the wind

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is not blowing, you see it dissipate over four or five minutes.

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We are going to try and have a look at one large firework going off,

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producing the smoke and heading across the road, to see how thick

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the smoke can be. As you can see, we have got the firework going and

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the smoke is being blown across the road. It is thick smoke and

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certainly it does not help having headlamps on. It is hard to see

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ahead. This experiment on a farmer's track is far from

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scientific and in no way does it replicate the display on 4th

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November. Of course, close up, firework smoke reduces visibility.

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But, is that what happened on the night? Those at the display on 4th

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November offer differing opinions about smoke and wind direction.

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There was no smoke. Literally, I walked away after the fireworks and

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there was no smoke. It was just fog, thick fog. The display was a very

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big, supposedly the biggest in Somerset and there was a lot of

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smoke created. The display ran for 15 minutes and afterwards of the

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smoke stayed around for a long time. You cannot see some of the pitch.

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The wind was blowing towards me. From where I was did, by the

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grandstand, that is away from the motorway. It was not drifting. It

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was holding fast, from what I understand, so I do not think it

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too quickly at all. Two opposing accounts. The police no doubt have

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many more points of view. Alan doubts smoke was an issue, but

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thinks the display itself had the potential to distract drivers.

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Would you have done it 200 metres from the M5? There is perhaps too

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close. 600 metres away and not have said was a problem but within 100

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metres, Sibly not. And within 200? A bit too close. The chances are

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you would not have run a show? It's a bold admission from Alan. He

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would not have run a fireworks display at Taunton Rugby Club.

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Reports suggest the fireworks had finished 10 minutes before the

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crash. The police will have the final word. They have 30 staff

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following up 200 lines of inquiry. A camera near junction 25 may hold

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vital clues. Smoke and fireworks remain a significant part of the

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investigation. The rugby club says it's working closely with Avon and

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Somerset Police. I was going to an event in told the... We joined the

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Wells MP Tessa Munt back at the scene of the crash. She too is an

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eyewitness. She was driving south on the M5 as the fireball raged.

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The heat was intense. It was burning hot. We were all of those

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lanes away. She wasn't aware of smoke or fireworks and on

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reflection, feels sympathy for the event organisers. If I was part of

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the rugby club I would feel awful. It must be so stressful for the

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people involved in organising this. So often they are for charity and

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they are events to raise money for good causes. I guess, mammals just

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feel terrible. -- that must adjust. It will take many weeks for the

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police to reach their conclusions but already, the issue of firework

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safety is under scrutiny once again. If the investigations show smoke

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from the despair with energy it is something we will now get very

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seriously and we would certainly incorporate information about that

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in training corporation -- causes. We do not want to react quickly to

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something we do not know about yet. All of these investigations will no

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doubt add to the picture. Some memorials need no explanation

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- like Sir Francis Drake's statue on Plymouth Hoe. But Historian

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Jonathan Foyle has been on the trail of a lesser known South West

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curious monuments of the lot Have you bought an antique and

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wondered what secrets it might hold? I love rummaging. On a recent

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trip, I came across a beautiful old trunk. It's a fine object in itself,

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but I probably wouldn't have taken it home if it hadn't been for the

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brass plate on the front that said: John Knill Esq. I didn't have a

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clue who John Knill was, so I did what any architectural historian

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would do in similar circumstances - I Googled him. He must have been

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some body! Instructions about the ceremony around his final resting

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place... 25th July, a few days' time. It turns out John Knill was

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an 18th century lawyer who made his name in Cornwall. And that's where

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I'm headed to find out more about the original owner of my trunk.

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That his dramatic! Knill's monument sits on a hilltop overlooking St

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Ives. Every five years, 10 young girls lead a procession of

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townsfolk up here and dance around the steeple, as its known. It is

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such a local thing, with local girls taking part. Use the John

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Knill wanting to remain in the memory of people of St Ives longer

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than is usual. He has done very well, 200 years. We are still

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dancing around. Harding has been Master of Ceremonies at the event

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for nearly half a century. I'm desperate to learn more about John

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Knill and why he deserved a monument, but I'm not about to find

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out from him. You need to go to the archive and do some investigation,

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frankly. There's an awful lot on him and it does mean digging. If

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you really want, have a look, because they have a lot of

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information. This is turning into a bit of a mystery tour! John Knill,

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biographical sketch. Just what I'm looking for. 60 years after Knill's

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death, his nephew, John Jope Rogers, wrote an account of his life and

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achievements. It's a mine of information. John Knill was born in

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East Cornwall in 1733. He trained as a lawyer in Penzance and at the

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age of just 29, became Collector of Customs and then mayor in St Ives.

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I'm now off to meet someone who can tell me about the St Ives that

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Knill knew and his impact upon the town. It was very poor fishing

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village. It had a very limited harbour. At that time it was only a

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fraction of the size we have now. It was through him that we have the

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street we are standing on now. When the time he was here, there was a

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boom in mining and there was always something to export. There was

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metal or and produce of the town, which was also a pilchard station.

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Brian's account helps us picture St Ives at the dawn of the industrial

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revolution. Boats would arrive from South Wales laden with coal to

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power with a steam engines driving their minds are deeper and deeper

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Underground. -- driving the coalmines. Pilcher's were being

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exported to Italy. So this was John Knill's world for the best part of

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20 years. It certainly sounds like he was a mover and shaker, but how

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many officials get a 50 foot monument for two decades of public

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service? This is where the story gets interesting. His nephew's

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account tells us that Knill left St Ives to continue his legal career

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in London in 1782. But before he went, he made plans for his own

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demise. Now, Knill wasn't keen on churchyard burials... Apparently he

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did not like the idea of bodies being piled up on top of each other,

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much as what was happening in the graveyard of St Ives Church, even

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in his dead. The ground is two metres above the surrounding lanes.

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So he chose his own final resting place up on top of Worvas Hill. His

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body was to be housed in a tomb at the foot of a steeple, which he

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commissioned himself. So there's a monument to John Knill because he

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paid for it. Some vanity project! Knill's vanity didn't end there. He

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even designed his own memorial ceremony, to be repeated every five

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years and paid for out of his will. He stipulated that 10 young girls

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should be selected and paid �5 each - a lot of money back then - and a

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surefire way to get their parents involved. After kicking off at the

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Guildhall, the procession makes its way up through the streets of the

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town, on its way to the monument. Knill said the girls should be the

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daughters of fishermen, tinners or seamen. That went by the board a

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while ago. All the more amazing when you realise that in the end,

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Knill wasn't actually buried here. The tomb is empty. From St Ives to

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St Paul's. To find out about Knill's later life and his body's

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final resting place, I've come back to London. Knill was very much a

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man about town, living at the heart of the city. According to his

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nephew, Knill spent much of his time hanging out with writers in

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Paternoster Row. Sadly it was destroyed in the Blitz but it was

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frequented by the likes of Boswell and Dr Johnson. It must have been

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extraordinary. I discovered a poignant ending to John Knill's

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story. He died in 1811 and was buried at the church of St Andrew,

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in Holborn. But the redevelopment of that site meant his final

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resting place lay elsewhere, beneath another monument, but this

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one doesn't bear his name. Over the years the bodies were brought here,

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to London Metropolitan Cemetery. It strikes me as an irony that Knill

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was not buried in the monument he built. He is under this monument in

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a place he never knew, in a mass grave. But it's in Cornwall he'll

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be remembered. His body might not be here, but John Knill certainly

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