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Hello, tonight yet more serious failings in our care homes. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:07 | |
We investigate the evidence of migrants | 0:00:07 | 0:00:08 | |
working illegally. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
The foreign carers who can barely speak English | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
looking after some of the Southwest's most vulnerable people. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:19 | |
They mumble and then they get upset with me | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
and they say something in | 0:00:22 | 0:00:27 | |
their language, which I think is them swearing at me. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:31 | |
The fact that they couldn't speak English | 0:00:31 | 0:00:32 | |
frightened an awful lot of the residents, | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
including my husband. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:36 | |
Because he had trouble making people understand him at the best of times. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:43 | |
An apology from the migrant worker who didn't pay any tax. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:49 | |
As long as I was in England, I didn't pay any taxes. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
And how do you feel about that? | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
Not good really. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:57 | |
And questions for the former care home owner | 0:00:57 | 0:00:59 | |
who took them on. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:00 | |
is it possible to speak to Patricia Juleff? | 0:01:00 | 0:01:05 | |
I'm Gemma Woodman and this is inside out Southwest. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:14 | |
Mid-morning in Saint Austell. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
We are trying to find out the truth of the state of the | 0:01:22 | 0:01:26 | |
industry which cares for some of society's most honourable people. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:35 | |
Our investigations have brought us to this house. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
We've been told that their's six care workers living there doing | 0:01:40 | 0:01:42 | |
shifts in nearby nursing homes and we'd really | 0:01:42 | 0:01:44 | |
like to speak to them. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
The nursing homes in question were last year mired in scandal. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:54 | |
The BBC found shocking evidence of cruelty | 0:02:08 | 0:02:16 | |
in the home which at the time were run by | 0:02:16 | 0:02:18 | |
the Cornwall-based Morleigh Group. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:19 | |
In the outcry that followed, staff were sacked. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:21 | |
One of the six homes, Clinton house was shut. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
And after a spate of damning inspections by | 0:02:24 | 0:02:32 | |
the regulator, owner Patricia Juleff's sold the firm. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:38 | |
Patricia Juleff may have given up the business, but she still | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
owns the house where some of the staff live. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
We understand that all the people living in that house | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
migrants and some if not all were involved in a sham. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
A sham that may be breaking both employment and | 0:02:48 | 0:02:50 | |
immigration laws. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:54 | |
And one which may have contributed to the poor care | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
experienced by some of the Morleigh Group's past residents. | 0:02:56 | 0:03:01 | |
I looked after him for nine and a half years | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
here, but then it got too much and I couldn't cope any more. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
He actually went into Clinton house in May, | 0:03:07 | 0:03:09 | |
June, 2012. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:15 | |
Olivia Lewis was so worried about how her husband, Tony, | 0:03:15 | 0:03:17 | |
was being left after, she used to sleep on the floor | 0:03:17 | 0:03:23 | |
of his room in Clinton House. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:31 | |
I didn't trust her one bit. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:32 | |
The Morleigh homes used at their own bank of migrant workers to fill | 0:03:32 | 0:03:36 | |
gaps in the rotor and it was this group of carers that worried Olivia | 0:03:36 | 0:03:39 | |
most. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:46 | |
The worst part of all of it was the nurse that had been brought | 0:03:46 | 0:03:52 | |
in from Romania. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:53 | |
She actually gave my husband three times as much | 0:03:53 | 0:03:55 | |
warfarin is what he should have had. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
Warfarin thins the blood. | 0:03:57 | 0:03:58 | |
Olivia says that over dose administered by | 0:03:58 | 0:04:02 | |
a Romanian nurse could have killed her husband. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
It was one of several serious incidents that she witnessed | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
where migrant workers were confused because, she says, | 0:04:07 | 0:04:09 | |
of their limited English. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:10 | |
One nurse actually came into the country in the morning. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:18 | |
She'd got virtually no English. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:20 | |
And she was put on medication the same night. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
Don't get me wrong, I'm not prejudiced. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:32 | |
Because they're foreign, good luck to them. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
But the fact that they couldn't speak English | 0:04:36 | 0:04:38 | |
frightened an awful lot of the residents, including my. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:38 | |
including my husband. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:45 | |
Because he had trouble making people understand | 0:04:45 | 0:04:47 | |
him at the best of times. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:48 | |
They mumble and then they get upset with | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
me. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:51 | |
And they say something in their language, which I think | 0:04:51 | 0:04:53 | |
is them swearing at me. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:55 | |
Beryl Childsworth was also looked after by migrant | 0:04:55 | 0:04:57 | |
carers. | 0:04:57 | 0:04:58 | |
Some of whom she says had poor English and inadequate | 0:04:58 | 0:05:00 | |
training. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:09 | |
They were unsure, for example, how to empty her stoma bag, | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
her artificial bowel. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:13 | |
They'd come in and do it, but they'd get it all | 0:05:13 | 0:05:15 | |
over my pouch. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:16 | |
And they wouldn't clean it off or anything. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:18 | |
So I couldn't touch it because it was all | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
on my pouch. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:22 | |
It was further going on and Cheryl would come in and I would | 0:05:22 | 0:05:26 | |
be upset and I'd be in tears and I'd say, I haven't had a proper wash | 0:05:26 | 0:05:30 | |
this morning, Cheryl. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:37 | |
Those conversations with her daughter, | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
Cheryl, were becoming more frequent as Beryl became more miserable | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
in her ?650 a week room. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:44 | |
Lots of times, it made me feel very sad. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:54 | |
That I'd ended up there. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:56 | |
Because of the jobs that I did in my younger | 0:05:56 | 0:05:58 | |
days and I thought, oh, I've ended up here with this and they don't | 0:05:58 | 0:06:02 | |
give a damn if I'm dirty or clean, or the bedding's dirty or clean. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:06 | |
At the time, I thought I'm stuck here, I'm | 0:06:06 | 0:06:10 | |
never going to get out of this place. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:16 | |
Morleigh insists its foreign workers were trained to a high standard. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:21 | |
But we've evidence that when it came to recruiting them, | 0:06:21 | 0:06:30 | |
cost and convenience were more important to Morleigh than quality. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
More important possibly than staying within the law. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:38 | |
It's January in Athens and we're undercover at a | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
jobs fair. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:50 | |
The event's been organised by an agency called Ucruitment. | 0:06:54 | 0:07:02 | |
Ana Maros got work at the Morleigh homes | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
through Ucruitment 18-months ago. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:11 | |
In that time, I was really happy to have a job in the UK. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:21 | |
Then I think we will all play by the rules, but, yeah, in the end, | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
no one did play by the rules. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
In Athens, our job seeker is getting ready for an interview. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
A conference room's been hired in one of the | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
city's hotels. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
Our man joins a long queue of Eastern European is keen | 0:07:38 | 0:07:38 | |
Our man joins a long queue of Eastern European's keen | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
for care work in the UK. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
When he finally makes it to the front, he | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
finds two women. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:50 | |
The one on the left is from a Greek agency. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
The one on the right is English. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:54 | |
And is from Ucruitment. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:59 | |
Her name is Nicole and she's married to this man, Cyrus | 0:08:07 | 0:08:09 | |
Ali, who runs Ucruitment. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:13 | |
We found he goes by a number of other names, | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
too. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:17 | |
Including... | 0:08:17 | 0:08:18 | |
Back in 2012, the couple were banned from | 0:08:31 | 0:08:33 | |
being directors of limited companies after the insolvency service found | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
that they'd cheated migrant care workers out of hundreds of thousands | 0:08:36 | 0:08:38 | |
of pounds for training they promised, but never delivered. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:42 | |
But you don't need to be a company director to set up a recruitment | 0:08:52 | 0:08:56 | |
agency. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
In Athens, Ucruitment quickly finds out that our researcher | 0:09:02 | 0:09:04 | |
has no care qualifications of professional experience. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:08 | |
But that's apparently no bar to working in a UK | 0:09:16 | 0:09:18 | |
care home. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:22 | |
Ucruitment says after these interviews, more checks on | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
experience and language skills are carried out. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
Anna Maros arrived in Saint Austell with a nursing degree, but | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
she says many of her fellow Morleigh workers had no professional care | 0:09:44 | 0:09:46 | |
experience or qualifications and some had no English at all. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
But that didn't stop Morleigh putting them in | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
its care homes. | 0:09:52 | 0:10:02 | |
I am ready feeling sorry about all the residents there | 0:10:05 | 0:10:07 | |
because even if they could speak and express themselves to us, we | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
couldn't understand them. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:11 | |
Even Anna struggled in the job because of what | 0:10:11 | 0:10:13 | |
she says was inadequate training on equipment she says | 0:10:13 | 0:10:15 | |
she'd never seen before. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:16 | |
In my country, we don't use that machine. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:21 | |
Hoists, to get people from bed. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:23 | |
We just do that in some other way. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:30 | |
So I didn't have that manual handling certificate, so, | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
yeah, they gave me quick training. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:42 | |
Like 15 minutes or half an hour. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:45 | |
Yeah, I was a little bit frightened. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:46 | |
Most worrying of all is our evidence that Anna should never have been | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
working there at all. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:59 | |
In Athens, our man's about to find out exactly | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
what's on offer. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:03 | |
It seems it's not a job up for grabs, but an opportunity | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
to work for himself. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:08 | |
Jacqueline McGuigan is one of the UK's top | 0:11:08 | 0:11:09 | |
employment lawyers. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:10 | |
She says there's strict rules around what is and what | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
isn't self-employment. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:18 | |
A genuine self-employed person has complete | 0:11:18 | 0:11:19 | |
control over their business. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:23 | |
They choose their hours, they choose when | 0:11:23 | 0:11:25 | |
to work, when not to work. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
If there is any element of control and a | 0:11:28 | 0:11:33 | |
requirement to work for somebody else, then it starts to look | 0:11:33 | 0:11:35 | |
suspicious. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:40 | |
Our man is told his self-employment will involve working | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
for one care home company 45 hours a week under | 0:11:43 | 0:11:45 | |
the control of the owner. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
Anna, too, was advised to go self-employed. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
She set up a company. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:05 | |
Recruitment then contracted it to provide her services to Morleigh. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:12 | |
At first, Anna believed this arrangement was legitimate, but she | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
soon had misgivings. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:18 | |
I was asking for a payslip, I was asking when I | 0:12:18 | 0:12:25 | |
need to and how I will pay my taxes and things like that. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:29 | |
But I didn't get any helpful answers to my | 0:12:29 | 0:12:31 | |
questions. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:38 | |
Anna's contract said she had to arrange her own public | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
liability insurance. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:42 | |
Which she never did. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:43 | |
Anna said she tried to get advice on how to operate her | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
business from Morleigh owner Patricia Juleff. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:51 | |
I ask on the first day, to Patricia Juleff, | 0:12:51 | 0:12:57 | |
but she was sending us to our agency because we are not... | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
She didn't employ as she would say, so we would need to ask | 0:13:00 | 0:13:05 | |
questions to the agency. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
Both Anna Maros and our undercover research are Croatian. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:12 | |
We know at least six Croatians have worked for Morleigh in the past year | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
and their nationality is significant. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:17 | |
Because Croatia is a new member of EU, its citizens | 0:13:17 | 0:13:27 | |
have restricted access to the UK labour market. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:29 | |
It means self-employment is pretty much the | 0:13:29 | 0:13:31 | |
only way they can work in the UK legally. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:33 | |
But it has got to be genuine self-employment. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:41 | |
Ucruitment says it was genuine self-employment | 0:13:41 | 0:13:43 | |
because recruits work for different care homes for two companies within | 0:13:43 | 0:13:45 | |
the same group. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:46 | |
But for Anna it felt anything but. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
You couldn't choose when you would work or not. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:54 | |
They expected me to always be with my | 0:13:54 | 0:13:56 | |
phone. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:58 | |
And, yeah, any time they needed me to answer on the phone, | 0:13:58 | 0:14:00 | |
which was... | 0:14:00 | 0:14:04 | |
It wasn't nice. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:05 | |
It was really stressful. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
We've seen hundreds of text messages sent by | 0:14:08 | 0:14:13 | |
care home owner Patricia Juleff to these apparently self-employed | 0:14:13 | 0:14:15 | |
service providers. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:23 | |
She tells them where to work and when to work and | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
in the case of the Croatians, she threatens they'll be sent back if | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
they displease her. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:35 | |
These texts also strongly suggest there was no chance | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
of Croatians choosing when not to work. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
Even the roof over their heads at this Saint Austell house | 0:15:10 | 0:15:15 | |
apparently relied upon them toeing the line. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:19 | |
The migrants paid ?65 a week each for a room here, money | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
which was deducted every month straight from their wages. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
If they lost their jobs, they risked losing | 0:15:24 | 0:15:29 | |
their homes, too. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:33 | |
I start to have problems when my phone is ringing. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:47 | |
I was like as a soldier standing up from bed and now that is all funny, | 0:15:47 | 0:15:51 | |
but at that time it wasn't at all. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
For employment lawyer Jacqueline McGuigan, | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
it all adds up to one thing. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
A self-employment sham. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:01 | |
With potentially serious consequences for | 0:16:01 | 0:16:06 | |
all involved. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:07 | |
These workers are not self-employed. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
If they were genuinely self-employed, they simply | 0:16:10 | 0:16:12 | |
would not be working for one care home. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:14 | |
They would simply be running their own business and perhaps | 0:16:14 | 0:16:23 | |
having two or three care homes and deciding | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
what they would do day in | 0:16:25 | 0:16:27 | |
and day out. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:28 | |
They are providing a personal service to one care home | 0:16:28 | 0:16:30 | |
every day. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:31 | |
At the control of the care home owner. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:33 | |
To me, that is almost a no-brainer. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
It is open and shut. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:42 | |
What is more, she says the sham makes the Croatians illegal | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
workers. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:54 | |
We are in the area of employment breaches and immigration breaches, | 0:17:04 | 0:17:06 | |
both together are very serious. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:08 | |
For those situations where the employer | 0:17:08 | 0:17:09 | |
knows that they are employing illegal workers, you could be sent | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
to jail for up to five years. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:13 | |
And face an unlimited fine. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:15 | |
Back in Athens, our man is getting tax | 0:17:15 | 0:17:17 | |
advice from Ucruitment. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:26 | |
Ucruitment says it didn't deliberately break | 0:17:47 | 0:17:48 | |
immigration law or deprive HMR see from revenue. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:55 | |
But Anna Maros couldn't get a national insurance | 0:17:55 | 0:17:57 | |
number and she didn't pay a penny in tax. | 0:17:57 | 0:17:59 | |
As long as I was in England, I didn't pay any taxes. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:06 | |
And how do you feel about that? | 0:18:06 | 0:18:07 | |
Oh, not good really. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:13 | |
Because I'm aware that each person who is working had to pay | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
taxes and, you know, as I'm paying my bills | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
taxes and, you know, as I'm paying my bills for phone | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
and my rent for house, I have to pay that tax. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:28 | |
But I just couldn't find a way that everything worked well and I just | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
didn't pay it. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
It is not just migrant workers who may have | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
profited. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:44 | |
A self-employment arrangement means the employer may benefit too. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:46 | |
The care home owner could save tens and tens of | 0:18:46 | 0:18:50 | |
thousands of pounds saving on tax, National Insurance. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:52 | |
They are saving on holiday pay. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:53 | |
Sick pay. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:54 | |
Maternity pay. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:55 | |
Training. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:56 | |
So there is huge financial incentives for the | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
employer. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:08 | |
In Cornwall, we find some of Ucruitment's | 0:19:12 | 0:19:13 | |
care assistants still | 0:19:13 | 0:19:14 | |
renting rooms from Morleigh owner Patricia Juleff. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:16 | |
It's a different company, but it's the same agency is | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
not? | 0:19:19 | 0:19:20 | |
When the care homes changed hands, so did the workers. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
Are you Croatian? | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
Do you mind me asking your nationality? | 0:19:25 | 0:19:27 | |
From Greece. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:28 | |
OK. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:30 | |
By this point, we alerted the new care home owners, a company | 0:19:30 | 0:19:34 | |
called Cornwallis to our findings. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:38 | |
They agreed the Croatians they'd inherited from | 0:19:38 | 0:19:40 | |
Morley had no rights to work and said they'd | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
halted their services. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:47 | |
This Croatian tells us he's done his final shift. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:49 | |
Employment laws and immigration laws... | 0:19:49 | 0:19:58 | |
Would you mind having a quick chat with me? | 0:20:01 | 0:20:08 | |
Morleigh owner Patricia Juleff told us she'd relied on Ucruitment to | 0:20:08 | 0:20:11 | |
check their right to work and live in the UK. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:16 | |
We went to her house to ask why she had placed them in the | 0:20:16 | 0:20:21 | |
nursing homes and hadn't herself checked their right to be here. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
Hi, excuse me, it's Gemma Woodland from | 0:20:24 | 0:20:26 | |
BBC inside out. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:27 | |
Is it possible to speak to Patricia Juleff? | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
Is she in? | 0:20:29 | 0:20:38 | |
This man knew her, but wouldn't comment. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:40 | |
We just wanted to ask her if you questions | 0:20:40 | 0:20:47 | |
about illegal workers that | 0:20:47 | 0:20:48 | |
she was employing in her homes, care homes and until recently has been | 0:20:48 | 0:20:51 | |
housing. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:52 | |
Is it possible to have a word with her about any of that? | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
Could I ask who you are, please? | 0:20:55 | 0:20:57 | |
We also wanted to catch up with Ucruitment's Cyrus Ali. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
He told us Ucruitment stopped advising the self-employment | 0:21:00 | 0:21:01 | |
route back in 2015. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:05 | |
But this record shows one of their Croatian recruits | 0:21:05 | 0:21:10 | |
set up a company only last year. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:14 | |
And remember what our Croatian research | 0:21:14 | 0:21:16 | |
was told just a few weeks ago? | 0:21:16 | 0:21:18 | |
We found Mr Ali in Suffolk. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:44 | |
Hi Mr Ali it s Jemma Woodman here from BBC Inside Out. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
We just wanted to ask you a few questions, | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
why you ve been providing care homes with illegal workers. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:51 | |
We ve evidence that they re not actually working as self-employed. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:53 | |
Right. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
They re only working for one care home, can you say that they re | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
working for multiple care homes? | 0:22:00 | 0:22:01 | |
They are indeed, yes. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
Well we ve evidence that they re not. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:05 | |
So you were running an employment scam before and now we ve evidence | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
this is working as a sham. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:10 | |
Cheap labour at the expense of vulnerable people | 0:22:10 | 0:22:12 | |
living in care homes, how do you feel about that, | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
do you respect the industry that you re supplying workers for? | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
Of course we do and I think the allegations you re making | 0:22:18 | 0:22:23 | |
are very strong and one that my solicitor has been in touch | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
with yourselves about. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:27 | |
Some people don t have the proper liabilities public insurance | 0:22:27 | 0:22:29 | |
that they should have. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:30 | |
If they dropped a resident or something like that | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
happened, what would happen? | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
We think that you're putting people at risk. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:37 | |
Vulnerable elderly people in care homes who need respect and care | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
and quality of care. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:41 | |
I totally agree with you. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:42 | |
And what you re doing is supplying illegal workers. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:44 | |
I totally disagree with that. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:46 | |
You think you re working your way around the law | 0:22:46 | 0:22:48 | |
but you re not working around | 0:22:48 | 0:22:49 | |
the law, you re putting people in harm s way. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:51 | |
That is totally incorrect. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:52 | |
And once again I would like to reiterate | 0:22:52 | 0:22:54 | |
that my solicitor has been in touch and we ve asked the BBC on numerous | 0:22:54 | 0:22:58 | |
occasions to furnish us with the allegations they are making | 0:22:58 | 0:23:00 | |
because we have evidence to the contrary. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:02 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:03 | |
Thank you for speaking to us. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:05 | |
Thank you. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:06 | |
Later he admitted that four migrant workers had not had | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
the required insurance. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:12 | |
He said their contracts had been terminated and Ucruitment now only | 0:23:12 | 0:23:14 | |
had employees on its books. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:20 | |
He insisted that where migrants had worked as self-employed | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
it was entirely legitimate and he said Ucruitment s | 0:23:23 | 0:23:25 | |
top priority was to provide high quality, hardworking and reliable | 0:23:25 | 0:23:31 | |
staff to a sector short of suitable nurses and carers. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:39 | |
We also had questions for the regulator, | 0:23:39 | 0:23:40 | |
the Care Quality Commission or CQC. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:45 | |
Because its inspectors were told about the possibility of illegality | 0:23:45 | 0:23:47 | |
by one of the Croatians themselves. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:49 | |
This email to the CQC sent last September, | 0:23:49 | 0:23:54 | |
says there are 10 people in the house, Some of them | 0:23:54 | 0:23:56 | |
are illegals it says. | 0:23:57 | 0:23:58 | |
The CQC told us it had passed that information to the Home Office. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:02 | |
It told us it had found no evidence of immigration offences. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:08 | |
The local MP isn t impressed. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:12 | |
I ve been calling since last year, | 0:24:12 | 0:24:13 | |
with the revelations of the way the Morleigh Group were practicing, | 0:24:13 | 0:24:17 | |
for the CQC to have a review of their inspection and regulation | 0:24:17 | 0:24:21 | |
regime and for them to have more teeth more powers to be able | 0:24:21 | 0:24:24 | |
to intervene more quickly when there are concerns. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:29 | |
And with the revelations that this programme exposes I think we need | 0:24:29 | 0:24:34 | |
to include in that their duty to look at the employment | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
status and the was that the business is operating in terms of recruiting | 0:24:37 | 0:24:42 | |
and employing its staff. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
Meanwhile it seems only one person feels any sense of responsibility. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:51 | |
I was just hoping that they don t bring any more | 0:24:51 | 0:24:55 | |
people in UK to work in this way ? how I did work ? and if they can t | 0:24:55 | 0:25:03 | |
find proper jobs for people they shouldn t mess | 0:25:03 | 0:25:06 | |
with somebody s life. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:09 | |
She s been very brave. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:18 | |
That's how I see her. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
And we need more people like Anna to expose what s really going on. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:25 | |
For Beryl at least, things worked out well. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
She went to live at home with her daughter | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
where she told us our findings were shocking. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:38 | |
Oh, I don't know what I'd think if I was in there now. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
I feel sorry for them. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:43 | |
But then again they've got people in there that have got dementia | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
and they're not aware what s going on. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:52 | |
When I've paid tax all me life I don't believe in letting people | 0:25:52 | 0:25:59 | |
come into the country and go and work somewhere and don't pay | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
any dues of any sort. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
Sadly, Beryl died this week, aged 82. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:14 | |
Meanwhile, business goes on for Patricia Juleff ? she's | 0:26:14 | 0:26:16 | |
applied to build 10 houses on the site of Clinton House. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
To the anger of the wife of one of its former residents. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:27 | |
I hope the Juleffs don't get the planning permission to build | 0:26:27 | 0:26:34 | |
on Clinton and that they suffer the way they've made | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
other people suffer. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:37 | |
I'm not usually like that. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
You wouldn't wish it on most people. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:44 | |
But I think they're absolute trash. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:48 | |
We told Cornwall Council, responsible for safeguarding | 0:26:48 | 0:26:50 | |
the residents, about our evidence. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:51 | |
They said the council has no legal duty to check the employment | 0:26:51 | 0:26:58 | |
rights of care staff. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:02 | |
Which begs the question: how many more foreign workers are caught up | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
in what may be sham arrangements putting them and the elderly people | 0:27:05 | 0:27:10 | |
they care for at risk? | 0:27:10 | 0:27:20 | |
And that's all for Inside Out tonight. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:26 | |
That is all from the series. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:28 | |
It all happened so quick. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:29 | |
We are taking a break over the summer, | 0:27:29 | 0:27:31 | |
but we will be back in the autumn, so I do hope you'll join me again. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:35 | |
Goodbye for now. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:39 |