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Hello from Southampton and welcome to Inside Out. Here's what's coming | :00:02. | :00:05. | |
up tonight. The mum and 13-year-old daughter at | :00:06. | :00:08. | |
the centre of the teenage contraception row give their first | :00:08. | :00:13. | |
TV interview. I was in the lesson and she asked | :00:13. | :00:18. | |
me if I was sure if I wanted to go through with it and I said yes. | :00:18. | :00:22. | |
Then I had it put in my arm and then I went back to lesson. | :00:22. | :00:26. | |
For sex under 16, that's wrong. What next? Abortions in the | :00:26. | :00:29. | |
classroom? Booking your dream holiday home | :00:29. | :00:33. | |
online, but this time hundreds gets scammed. | :00:34. | :00:37. | |
Complete devastation, humiliating as well. They stole your money with | :00:37. | :00:40. | |
no intentions of letting you have the holiday. | :00:40. | :00:43. | |
Behind-the-scenes with Surrey police in their attempts to catch | :00:43. | :00:47. | |
the culprits. To be quite honest, it was just | :00:47. | :00:51. | |
greed. They simply just thought that they would be able to take the | :00:51. | :00:55. | |
money and that would be the end of And the war detective putting names | :00:55. | :00:58. | |
to our unknown soldiers. Two of them have now been | :00:58. | :01:03. | |
identified. Both were identified by artefacts, personal artefacts. | :01:03. | :01:07. | |
I was shocked. When I first saw that they found his body, it | :01:07. | :01:10. | |
suddenly brought World War I right into your front room. | :01:10. | :01:20. | |
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I'm Jon Cuthill and this is Inside First tonight, she hit the | :01:30. | :01:33. | |
headlines when her mum found out she had a contraceptive implant | :01:33. | :01:37. | |
fitted at school. The 13-year-old girl from Southampton was at the | :01:37. | :01:40. | |
centre of an international debate over contraception and young | :01:40. | :01:45. | |
teenagers. Jane Goddard has been to meet them | :01:45. | :01:49. | |
for their first television interview. | :01:49. | :01:53. | |
I'm 13 and my boyfriend is 13 and we're both in year nine at our | :01:53. | :01:58. | |
school. And we're having sex so we wanted to get sorted. | :01:58. | :02:01. | |
She's my daughter and she's tried her best to look after her own | :02:01. | :02:07. | |
interests and to protect herself from pregnancy. So I'm proud of her | :02:07. | :02:10. | |
for doing that, but I'm not happy that she's lost her virginity, | :02:10. | :02:15. | |
obviously. The 13-year-old year nine | :02:15. | :02:18. | |
schoolgirl from Southampton had a contraceptive implant inserted in | :02:18. | :02:23. | |
her arm with a local anaesthetic. It's about the size of a matchstick. | :02:24. | :02:26. | |
Manufacturers say it's well over 99% effective and it lasts for | :02:26. | :02:32. | |
three years. In our school, we had discussions, | :02:32. | :02:34. | |
like, girl groups and they talked about different ways of | :02:34. | :02:37. | |
contraception and I found out about it through that and I thought it | :02:37. | :02:45. | |
was the best way so I asked for it. What about other methods? | :02:45. | :02:48. | |
Condoms are always an option for contraception, but they fail and | :02:48. | :02:58. | |
not in young people. I thought the implant was the most effective way. | :02:58. | :03:01. | |
As far as I was aware, they were doing sex education, giving out | :03:01. | :03:04. | |
condoms and advice and everything else. Not actually doing implants | :03:04. | :03:09. | |
at school. That should be down to the doctor, but what they should be | :03:09. | :03:12. | |
teaching kids at school is to build a relationship, build trust, but | :03:12. | :03:18. | |
sex is going to go on unfortunately. No, I'm not happy about it, | :03:18. | :03:23. | |
obviously, but what can I do? Put a chastity belt on her? | :03:23. | :03:26. | |
Southampton's long had a problem with teenage pregnancy, so when the | :03:26. | :03:28. | |
government introduced a drive to get contraception straight to | :03:28. | :03:36. | |
teenage girls, here in Southampton, they took the clinic's into schools. | :03:36. | :03:39. | |
We currently deliver sexual health services as part of the health and | :03:39. | :03:43. | |
well-being agenda in schools. Nine schools in Southampton. And they | :03:43. | :03:46. | |
come into those services and they see a specially trained | :03:46. | :03:48. | |
practitioner who undertakes a comprehensive risk assessment and | :03:48. | :03:51. | |
works with them to look at whether they're at risk in terms of the | :03:51. | :03:58. | |
sexual relationship that they're having. | :03:58. | :04:01. | |
Younger people are having sex nowadays. I know adults don't want | :04:01. | :04:05. | |
to think that, but they are and I know some of them want to not | :04:05. | :04:10. | |
jeopardise their life and they want to get sorted. | :04:10. | :04:13. | |
So, last June, without telling mom, the 13-year-old opted for the | :04:13. | :04:21. | |
implant. Legally, no-one had to inform her family or her doctor. | :04:21. | :04:25. | |
I was in a lesson and the lady came into my class and said, can I | :04:25. | :04:30. | |
borrow you? And then we went into a different room and she asked me if | :04:30. | :04:34. | |
I was sure I wanted to go through with it. She told me there are some | :04:34. | :04:41. | |
risks, but they're not major. I said yes. Then I just had it put in | :04:41. | :04:47. | |
my arm and then went back to lessen. All young people need to be assured | :04:47. | :04:50. | |
that the services they access are confidential. The law is very clear | :04:50. | :04:53. | |
that young people, if they're capable to do so, in consultation | :04:53. | :04:56. | |
with the health practitioner have the right to make their own choices | :04:56. | :05:03. | |
about the care they access. And it's their choice to do so. I want | :05:03. | :05:06. | |
to stress that, in every contact with the young person, they're | :05:06. | :05:08. | |
encouraged to share that they visited our services with their | :05:08. | :05:11. | |
parents or carers, but it's their choice or decision if they choose | :05:11. | :05:18. | |
not to do so. Very angry. They've done it behind | :05:18. | :05:24. | |
parents backs, quite meekly, actually. My daughter has done the | :05:24. | :05:27. | |
right thing by trying to protect herself on the advice of them, but | :05:27. | :05:30. | |
for actually making that life changing decision for a young child, | :05:30. | :05:33. | |
that should be made by a family doctor, the parent and not the | :05:33. | :05:42. | |
schools. Not in the classroom. Based at the University of | :05:42. | :05:44. | |
Southampton, Prof Roger Ingham is a world-renowned academic researching | :05:45. | :05:51. | |
the sexual behaviour of teenagers. Southampton has a relatively high | :05:51. | :05:57. | |
rate of teenage conceptions. There are big effort to reduce them. We | :05:57. | :06:00. | |
know that young people will respond to school-based services and we've | :06:00. | :06:03. | |
seen over the last 10 years, the rates have come down quite | :06:03. | :06:07. | |
dramatically. The guidelines were established in the House of Lords | :06:07. | :06:12. | |
25 years ago so they've been around for a long time. As far as I can | :06:12. | :06:15. | |
see, those guidelines were followed in this case to the letter, so | :06:15. | :06:17. | |
there's no question of criticising the health service staff, no | :06:17. | :06:20. | |
question of criticising the schools for making their premises available | :06:20. | :06:23. | |
to the health service to come in and do the job they're trained to | :06:23. | :06:30. | |
Mom is also concerned that it's it was so easy to get the implant, | :06:30. | :06:37. | |
perhaps not enough emphasis was put on compulsory after-care. | :06:37. | :06:41. | |
What they've done is neglect her afterwards. It's interfering with | :06:41. | :06:47. | |
her mind, interfering with her body development, what else? | :06:47. | :06:50. | |
All young people are offered follow-ups. Young people of that | :06:50. | :06:54. | |
age are monitored closely through the services. They would be | :06:54. | :06:56. | |
building relationships with the specialist practitioners. We can | :06:57. | :07:00. | |
offer appointments, we can't make people keep them. But those young | :07:00. | :07:03. | |
people are in our sites. We're aware of them and we'll be | :07:03. | :07:07. | |
continuing to provide them with ongoing support. | :07:07. | :07:11. | |
I think I regret not speaking to my mum before I had it done. I think | :07:11. | :07:15. | |
they should offer to come see us again and check if we're all right. | :07:15. | :07:20. | |
They should advise you more to speak to your parents if you can. | :07:20. | :07:22. | |
The health and education authorities responsible say they're | :07:22. | :07:26. | |
simply taking part in a government strategy. The girl in question | :07:26. | :07:30. | |
isn't an isolated case. Last year, across the country, 1700 girls aged | :07:30. | :07:37. | |
13 and 14 were fitted with the contraception implant. | :07:37. | :07:41. | |
They're exploiting the girls to get the pregnancy rates down. STI's are | :07:41. | :07:44. | |
on the increase so without these monthly checks, with chlamydia and | :07:44. | :07:50. | |
everything else, who's protecting my daughter? If you're doing | :07:50. | :07:53. | |
invasive surgery in school, in school time, then let her get on | :07:53. | :08:00. | |
with it knowing that there are side effects. | :08:00. | :08:03. | |
There's evidence that young people are having sex, no doubt about it. | :08:03. | :08:06. | |
The question is, should you allow them to go on having sex without | :08:06. | :08:09. | |
protection or should you try and protect them? Even though, strictly | :08:09. | :08:13. | |
peaking, it's illegal. It's a very pragmatic issue. In a sense, I was | :08:13. | :08:16. | |
pleased that the system seems to be working and that a young girl who | :08:16. | :08:19. | |
has decided to have sex had actually got herself protected | :08:19. | :08:23. | |
which was a very sensible and reasonable thing to do. | :08:23. | :08:27. | |
For sex under 16, that's wrong. They should be building more of | :08:27. | :08:34. | |
that on relationships at school, not doing surgical implants. What | :08:34. | :08:41. | |
next? Abortions in the classroom? I do have some regrets of growing | :08:41. | :08:48. | |
up, in a way, so young, but I wouldn't change anything, really. | :08:48. | :08:52. | |
So you're just happy as long as you're not going to get pregnant? | :08:52. | :08:57. | |
In a way, yes. When do you want kids then? | :08:57. | :09:01. | |
About when I'm 24 and have got a job and a house. Possibly a husband. | :09:01. | :09:09. | |
At this time of year, lots of us are thinking about our holidays. | :09:09. | :09:12. | |
Traditionally we'd be booking in places like this, but statistics | :09:12. | :09:15. | |
show nowadays more than half of us are braving it and booking our own | :09:15. | :09:20. | |
holidays online. Why not? Look at this a villa in Majorca, six | :09:20. | :09:24. | |
bedrooms, four bathrooms, stunning views and the private pool. It | :09:24. | :09:31. | |
sounds like the perfect holiday. What could possibly go wrong? | :09:31. | :09:34. | |
Decided to have a look at some villas on the Internet, searched | :09:34. | :09:37. | |
through a couple of websites trying to find a villa that was suitable | :09:37. | :09:41. | |
for the three families that were going. | :09:41. | :09:45. | |
Unfortunately, Julie fell in love with that dream Majorca villa. | :09:46. | :09:50. | |
We chose this particular one which was in Santa Ponsa are in Majorca. | :09:50. | :09:53. | |
I contacted the owner through e- mail, she then e-mail me back and | :09:53. | :09:56. | |
said, "yes, we can accommodate that," and this was the amounts | :09:56. | :10:00. | |
that was the cost of the villa. I think it was around about the total | :10:00. | :10:06. | |
of 5700 and something pounds. The villa was owned by Tracy and | :10:06. | :10:10. | |
Derren Grant. They weren't travel agents, but I tell you what, they | :10:10. | :10:13. | |
definitely had the knack of getting bookings. | :10:13. | :10:17. | |
On certain weeks, they had up to 10 parties booked into the villa. So | :10:17. | :10:23. | |
it wasn't just a case of making �2750 per week. On one week in | :10:23. | :10:29. | |
August, you can times that by 10. Your card number. | :10:29. | :10:31. | |
The grants seemed perfectly hospitable and reassuring. They | :10:31. | :10:34. | |
would answer any questions about the villa immediately via e-mail | :10:34. | :10:40. | |
and phone. Once they'd been paid, that good service stopped. | :10:40. | :10:43. | |
I actually transferred money from my bank account to the owner's bank | :10:43. | :10:48. | |
account. I heard nothing, nothing at all. So I sent another e-mail | :10:48. | :10:51. | |
and I actually said in the e-mail that I was getting worried because | :10:51. | :10:55. | |
she'd not responded and it had been, maybe a week since I paid the | :10:55. | :11:01. | |
balance. And I still got no response. | :11:01. | :11:06. | |
Julie had transferred money to an account at this bank in Farnham. An | :11:06. | :11:08. | |
account police were already investigating on behalf of another | :11:08. | :11:10. | |
hopeful holidaymaker who also was having trouble contacting the | :11:10. | :11:18. | |
Grants. We managed to establish that the | :11:18. | :11:21. | |
villa was being marketed on a number of websites and enquiries | :11:21. | :11:23. | |
with those websites by one of my colleagues established, in fact, | :11:23. | :11:26. | |
those websites had received a number of reports from other people | :11:26. | :11:29. | |
all stating that they believed there was a fraud taking place with | :11:29. | :11:36. | |
this villa. The Grants were overbooking the | :11:36. | :11:39. | |
villa to such a degree that at one point, 12 holidays were scheduled | :11:39. | :11:46. | |
in for the same week. What's more, the property wasn't even available. | :11:46. | :11:49. | |
They were advertising the villa for holiday bookings knowing that there | :11:49. | :11:56. | |
was a tenant in the villa and the villa was not available for hire. | :11:56. | :11:59. | |
I had a phone call informing me that the villa was under police | :11:59. | :12:01. | |
investigation with the Surrey police and they informed me that | :12:01. | :12:04. | |
there was maybe another 16 families that also reported the same thing | :12:05. | :12:07. | |
and there was people from Norway, Switzerland, France, all these | :12:07. | :12:17. | |
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people that had up this particular villa, as well. | :12:21. | :12:24. | |
There are all different age ranges from young teenagers that have | :12:24. | :12:27. | |
their first group holiday as friends going away, there was a | :12:27. | :12:30. | |
party from Sweden and again, a group of girl teenagers going away | :12:30. | :12:35. | |
so they didn't get to go to their holiday. In fact, one of those went | :12:35. | :12:39. | |
out. And you can imagine, at their age going out on their first | :12:39. | :12:43. | |
holiday with all their friends expecting a good time to turn up at | :12:43. | :12:46. | |
a villa where it's no longer available. | :12:46. | :12:49. | |
Police learned that the money that Julie and others have taken into | :12:49. | :12:54. | |
the bank account had long gone. But the investigation team was not | :12:54. | :12:58. | |
giving up. Although the account was linked to a bogus address, upon | :12:58. | :13:01. | |
closer examination there was a tantalising reference to a cottage | :13:01. | :13:11. | |
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in Dorset. So the team headed west. Colleagues and myself attended that | :13:12. | :13:16. | |
address and spoke to the occupants at that address who turned out to | :13:16. | :13:21. | |
be the parents of one of the offenders. | :13:21. | :13:23. | |
But the parents denied knowledge of the Grants whereabouts so the | :13:23. | :13:28. | |
police began to search the house for clues. | :13:28. | :13:33. | |
I seized two diaries from a bedside drawer. Mrs Grant, who at that time | :13:33. | :13:36. | |
was I believe 73, became visibly distressed at the fact that I had | :13:36. | :13:43. | |
seized these two diaries. In essence, I had a tug of war with | :13:43. | :13:46. | |
Mrs Grant over these two diaries where she forcibly tried to remove | :13:46. | :13:53. | |
them from my hand. Written in the back of one of the diaries was an | :13:53. | :13:56. | |
address. So at the time, we suspected that that was where they | :13:57. | :14:00. | |
were living. Meanwhile, Julie had to come to | :14:00. | :14:03. | |
terms with her lost holiday and break the news to the other | :14:03. | :14:08. | |
families who were travelling with her, that their money had gone. | :14:08. | :14:12. | |
Complete devastation. I felt responsible because I book this | :14:12. | :14:18. | |
holiday on behalf of the other parties. Humiliating, as well. You | :14:18. | :14:23. | |
feel that you have been taken for a ride. They stole your money with no | :14:23. | :14:26. | |
intentions of letting you have a holiday and it is a hard lesson to | :14:26. | :14:32. | |
The address the police found in the diary led them to a luxury | :14:32. | :14:34. | |
farmhouse in Somerset, from where the Grants were running their | :14:34. | :14:42. | |
business. The game was up. They must be really stupid people. To | :14:42. | :14:46. | |
think they can get away with such a thing. Because in this day and age, | :14:46. | :14:50. | |
there's a lot of things traceable. Because they were doing it through | :14:50. | :14:53. | |
e-mail, bank account transfers and such, I just don't know how they | :14:53. | :14:58. | |
thought they could get away with it. The Grants were arrested on | :14:58. | :15:05. | |
suspicion of fraud. Having managed to con hundreds of people out of | :15:05. | :15:07. | |
their holidays, they were brought to Guildford police station for | :15:07. | :15:12. | |
questioning. Whilst Derren and Tracey had plenty to say about | :15:12. | :15:16. | |
their villa to potential customers, to police it was a different matter. | :15:16. | :15:20. | |
You are aware, Mr Grant, aren't you, of a number of outstanding debts? | :15:20. | :15:24. | |
No comment. You've tried to obtain money fraudulently from these | :15:24. | :15:26. | |
holidaymakers, whilst knowing they would not be able to use the | :15:26. | :15:35. | |
services of the villa and the facilities there. No comment. | :15:35. | :15:38. | |
Mr and Mrs Grant maintained their not guilty plea right up to the day | :15:38. | :15:44. | |
of the trial. What right did either of you have | :15:44. | :15:46. | |
to fraudulently mislead these people that the villa was available | :15:46. | :15:50. | |
for rent? No comment. Mrs Grant was questioned for a number of hours | :15:50. | :15:56. | |
and never gave one answer to a single question. No comment. | :15:56. | :15:59. | |
She chose, as is her right, of course, to reply "no comment" to | :15:59. | :16:04. | |
all the questions put to her. December, at the Crown Court here | :16:04. | :16:09. | |
in Guildford, at the 11th hour, the Grants had a change of heart. | :16:09. | :16:12. | |
the last minute, pleaded guilty, so the actual trial did not go ahead, | :16:12. | :16:20. | |
and then they were sentenced in December. I am glad they didn't get | :16:20. | :16:25. | |
away with it in the end. They've been punished. He stated he was | :16:25. | :16:27. | |
responsible for sending all of those e-mails, despite them being | :16:27. | :16:33. | |
in Tracey's name. Because of that, Mr Grant was sentenced to 27 | :16:33. | :16:36. | |
months' imprisonment and Tracey Grant, his wife, was sentenced to 9 | :16:36. | :16:45. | |
months' imprisonment for their part in the fraud. I think, to be quite | :16:45. | :16:48. | |
honest, it was just greed. They were living far beyond their means. | :16:48. | :16:52. | |
They had no means of employment at the time, and their daughter was | :16:52. | :16:57. | |
attending a private school. While the Grants are holidaying at Her | :16:57. | :17:00. | |
Majesty's pleasure, it looks like their victims will only ever see a | :17:00. | :17:04. | |
fraction of their money back. Meanwhile, there are lessons to be | :17:04. | :17:10. | |
learned. To safeguard yourself, I think it is quite difficult in that | :17:10. | :17:12. | |
environment. However, there is insurance out there, either through | :17:12. | :17:15. | |
your bank account or through these companies that advertise, that | :17:15. | :17:22. | |
specifically cover fraud advertising. So if this case | :17:22. | :17:25. | |
happens, you are covered by your insurance company. Two to three | :17:25. | :17:28. | |
people involved in this case have received their money back through | :17:28. | :17:33. | |
their bank account or through this insurance scheme. I'm still in | :17:33. | :17:36. | |
shock and disbelief that somebody could actually do that, and to | :17:36. | :17:42. | |
think they can actually get away with it. I just don't think they | :17:42. | :17:49. | |
realise how hurtful and disappointed people can be. Some of | :17:49. | :17:52. | |
the websites offer an insurance policy and when people are booking | :17:52. | :17:55. | |
a holiday for something like this, perhaps that is something they need | :17:55. | :17:58. | |
to think about, to book the insurance with the website and that | :17:58. | :18:04. | |
hopefully will protect them. really would think twice about | :18:04. | :18:07. | |
using a private owner again. Although I have used private owners | :18:07. | :18:15. | |
previous to this and everything's been OK. I suppose now it is a big | :18:15. | :18:24. | |
Finally tonight, imagine getting a call to tell you that the body of | :18:24. | :18:27. | |
one of your distant relatives has just been found. Someone, perhaps, | :18:27. | :18:31. | |
who died nearly 100 years ago. Making that call is the job of a | :18:31. | :18:41. | |
specialist unit with the Ministry Sue Raftree is in London. She's | :18:41. | :18:44. | |
trying to find out about some men who died almost 100 years ago in | :18:44. | :18:50. | |
northern France. I've come here to see the archivist at the Honourable | :18:50. | :18:53. | |
Artillery Company, to discuss the remains of four soldiers that were | :18:53. | :19:01. | |
found in Bullecourt in August 2009. These soldiers were killed in the | :19:01. | :19:04. | |
First World War. Like many casualties, they were buried by | :19:04. | :19:07. | |
their comrades near the battlefield where they died. Identifying them | :19:07. | :19:13. | |
won't be easy. The identity discs were blown off the soldiers because | :19:13. | :19:20. | |
they were not steel, as they are today. So therefore, it is very | :19:20. | :19:24. | |
difficult. But we do establish - and have established in the past - | :19:24. | :19:28. | |
personal identification of soldiers. We are very hopeful that this will | :19:28. | :19:32. | |
happen in this instance. It's a typical case for Sue, who works for | :19:32. | :19:36. | |
the MoD in Gloucestershire. When the remains of servicemen from the | :19:36. | :19:39. | |
two world wars are discovered, it's her job to identify them, find | :19:39. | :19:47. | |
relatives and arrange a military burial. Today, she is meeting | :19:47. | :19:49. | |
regimental archivist Justine Taylor. We actually have a very kind | :19:50. | :19:52. | |
volunteer in Antwerp who's compiled a list of Second Battalion members | :19:52. | :19:58. | |
who died in the First World War. Justine's been very helpful and | :19:58. | :20:01. | |
she's provided the war diary, lots of information, lots of very | :20:01. | :20:06. | |
informative books. We know the heights of the four soldiers that | :20:06. | :20:11. | |
have been found. I'm very excited. I've got to this stage where we may | :20:11. | :20:17. | |
be able to identify somebody. excited, but she knows these things | :20:17. | :20:22. | |
take time. Remains of some of the many thousands of war heroes still | :20:22. | :20:25. | |
listed as missing, with no known grave, are found each year around | :20:25. | :20:35. | |
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the world. Some can be easier to identify than others. The wreckage | :20:36. | :20:40. | |
of a British bomber's been found in Italy and thanks to detailed flight | :20:40. | :20:44. | |
records, Sue knows exactly who was on board. | :20:44. | :20:47. | |
BBC London 94.9. Robert Elms, weekdays from midday, and Saturday | :20:47. | :20:55. | |
morning. It means another trip to London, this time for a radio | :20:55. | :20:59. | |
appeal. Now, I know there's a case you're working on at the moment. | :20:59. | :21:02. | |
Tell us a bit about that. About four months ago, a Boston aircraft | :21:02. | :21:09. | |
BZ590 was found in Italy. Boston was on a reconnaissance | :21:09. | :21:12. | |
mission when it was shot down in 1945, just weeks before the end of | :21:12. | :21:17. | |
the war in Europe. The crew, including David Rakes and Alexander | :21:17. | :21:23. | |
Bostock, all died. Their relatives have come forward, but Sue needs to | :21:23. | :21:29. | |
find one other family. One that we need to find now is Flight Sgt | :21:29. | :21:34. | |
David Millard-Perkins' family. that's why you're here today, | :21:34. | :21:39. | |
because we might just be able to help. Sue will have to wait to see | :21:39. | :21:42. | |
if anyone gets in touch, but when families do, they usually want to | :21:42. | :21:46. | |
know much more. She's in Wiltshire, meeting relatives of a soldier | :21:47. | :21:56. | |
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whose remains have been found in the Midlands. -- Netherlands. | :21:59. | :22:04. | |
to meet you. I'm June. And they've turned out in their numbers. For | :22:04. | :22:07. | |
them, this is all about finding out what happened to the man who was | :22:07. | :22:10. | |
lost but not forgotten. Right, then, well, thank you very much for | :22:10. | :22:14. | |
coming today. I know you've come from a long way and I appreciate it | :22:14. | :22:18. | |
very much. He was my gran's brother and she talked about him all the | :22:18. | :22:22. | |
time. I was really little then. She died when I was about 10. But | :22:22. | :22:25. | |
that's how I remember him. Being really important in her life, | :22:25. | :22:30. | |
really. But it always felt like he was... You know, like I knew him. I | :22:30. | :22:33. | |
still call him Uncle Lewis, you know? Even though he was my Great | :22:33. | :22:36. | |
Uncle Lewis. Lewis Curtis from Cornwall was a member of the | :22:36. | :22:42. | |
Wiltshire Regiment. He died in October 1944. His battalion had | :22:42. | :22:44. | |
been advancing through Holland, but met fierce resistance from the | :22:44. | :22:49. | |
Germans. Today, his family are learning about where he was | :22:49. | :22:54. | |
discovered, and plans for his burial. So we are effectively | :22:54. | :23:00. | |
looking at the first available opportunity being July onwards. | :23:00. | :23:04. | |
There is a lot to take in, and if you just slowly absorb it, that's | :23:04. | :23:09. | |
lovely. It certainly is a lot to take in. But for everyone, it has | :23:09. | :23:13. | |
been a poignant day. This whole thing has been very emotional for | :23:13. | :23:18. | |
all of us. Today has brought all of us together, as a family, you know? | :23:18. | :23:22. | |
And we were saying that we very rarely get to get together these | :23:22. | :23:28. | |
days. I feel very honoured to have met such a marvellous family, and | :23:28. | :23:32. | |
to be part of such an exciting adventure that we're going to go on | :23:32. | :23:38. | |
and that in the end, we can have closure for this family. | :23:38. | :23:43. | |
One family close to getting that final closure. But what about Sue's | :23:43. | :23:47. | |
other cases? It's now several weeks since her meeting with the | :23:47. | :23:49. | |
regimental archivist in London about those First World War | :23:49. | :23:56. | |
soldiers. So is there any news? Bullecourt, yes, we've done some | :23:56. | :23:59. | |
more research with the archivist, and two of them have now been | :23:59. | :24:06. | |
identified. Both were identified by artefacts - personal artefacts. | :24:06. | :24:09. | |
Two soldiers identified, and now begins the task of tracking down | :24:09. | :24:14. | |
the families. And that's not easy, as Sue is finding out on the Boston | :24:14. | :24:18. | |
Bomber case. Unfortunately, that radio appeal hasn't had the impact | :24:18. | :24:23. | |
she'd hoped. Regrettably, there were no callers regarding the | :24:23. | :24:26. | |
identification of the family for Perkins, however we've now gone to | :24:26. | :24:32. | |
the Commonwealth War Graves. They've put it on their website and | :24:32. | :24:38. | |
we are now trying to trace him through other means. | :24:38. | :24:42. | |
When Sue does manage to complete a case, it often ends a mystery that | :24:42. | :24:46. | |
has haunted families for years. When Edward Hartley was killed, his | :24:46. | :24:51. | |
loved ones knew he had died, but very little else. I think my mother | :24:51. | :24:55. | |
must always have wondered what happened to Edward. He would have | :24:55. | :24:58. | |
perhaps been the love of her life, so she must have wondered all the | :24:58. | :25:05. | |
rest of her life - she lived to be 86 - what has happened to him. | :25:05. | :25:08. | |
Lance Sgt Hartley died at Arnhem in Holland, during Operation Market | :25:08. | :25:11. | |
Garden, the unsuccessful attempt by the Allies to force their way into | :25:11. | :25:21. | |
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Germany in 1944. His remains were identified seven years ago. Sue | :25:21. | :25:24. | |
traced his daughter and she was guest of honour at a rededication | :25:24. | :25:34. | |
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It was really emotional. I think the kind of occasion where all the | :25:43. | :25:50. | |
hairs stand up on the back of your neck. And you want to cry, as well, | :25:50. | :25:55. | |
really. It was really very, very special. Probably one of the best | :25:55. | :26:04. | |
days of my life. Yes, it was one of the best days of my life. | :26:04. | :26:07. | |
So, Sue's work can end up meaning so much to the families these men | :26:07. | :26:12. | |
left behind. She's back on the road again - this time in Hampshire. The | :26:12. | :26:16. | |
relatives of one of the First World War soldiers has been in touch. | :26:16. | :26:22. | |
family actually found me through the Great War Forum. They were | :26:22. | :26:25. | |
looking at the website and came across that we were trying to trace | :26:25. | :26:33. | |
the relatives of Capt Prichard. They contacted me, because I have a | :26:33. | :26:40. | |
lot to do with the Great War Forum. It was very fortuitous that they | :26:40. | :26:46. | |
were looking at that time. Hello, nice to meet you. Come in. | :26:46. | :26:51. | |
We are pleased to see you. I can only remember as a very young boy... | :26:51. | :26:56. | |
Londoner John Prichard died in May 1917. He was defending a position | :26:56. | :26:59. | |
near the village of Bullecourt in northern France. His company was | :26:59. | :27:05. | |
almost completely wiped out in the attack. 95 years on, his family | :27:05. | :27:11. | |
were amazed to discover his remains had been found. I was shocked. When | :27:11. | :27:16. | |
I first saw that they had found his body, it was a complete shock. And | :27:16. | :27:21. | |
then I was ecstatic that we were very happy about that. I thought, | :27:21. | :27:25. | |
"I can't wait to tell the rest of the family". And, as my daughter | :27:25. | :27:28. | |
says, it makes it really real. It has suddenly brought World War I | :27:28. | :27:33. | |
right into your front room. You have a personal connection with it. | :27:33. | :27:39. | |
And we feel incredibly honoured, as a family. We will be the people | :27:39. | :27:46. | |
that finally lay this captain to rest. Another case drawing to a | :27:46. | :27:54. | |
close. And there's good news on the Boston Bomber crew man, too. David | :27:54. | :27:57. | |
Perkins' family has been in touch. Sue also hopes to start arranging | :27:57. | :28:00. | |
his burial soon. It's very frustrating at times, because the | :28:00. | :28:04. | |
work has to be very thoroughly investigated. There's only a team | :28:04. | :28:08. | |
of two - my colleague and I - and we both find it very rewarding. | :28:08. | :28:18. | |
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It's an honour and a privilege to And that's just about all we've got | :28:18. | :28:25. | |
time for. I'll see you next week. Me, Jamie, Lexus and Caley sleep on | :28:25. | :28:29. | |
that dining room bit there. Children in poverty - the families | :28:29. | :28:34. | |
coping on the breadline in 2012. this was another part of the world, | :28:34. | :28:39. | |
the aid trucks would be heading out. But because it is our world, we | :28:39. | :28:43. |