20/02/2012 Inside Out South

Hello and welcome to Inside Out. He is what is coming up tonight:

Solving the mystery, nearly 40 years on, have we cracked the case

of the missing Lord Lucan? When it comes to the passing of time, the

truth has a habit of servicing. When they said that he wanted to

see his children and to send him out -- them out there, I believe

that was the case. And travelling several thousand miles from home

for help. The radical detox helping addicts from the south. I'm just

scared about the next four days. First tonight, in a special port,

we reveal evidence that could solve one of the UK's biggest murder

mysteries. Glenn Campbell investigates the infamous Lord

Lucan case and interviews two new witnesses who claim the disgraced

peer was smuggled out of the UK to a secret life abroad. I think I can

tell you what really happened to Lord Lucan when he fled to this

house on the night of 7th November 1974. Lord Lucan was a desperate

man. Separated from his wife, on that fateful night, he slipped into

the family house hearing Belgravia intent on murdering her. But his

plan went terribly wrong. He bludgeoned to death the family's

nanny. He then the launch attack on his wife as the children were

asleep upstairs. But somehow, she managed to escape and fled down the

street to this pub where she raised the alarm. And that is when Lord

Lucan, Arabs -- aristocrat, a professional gambler and member of

London's social elite fled to friends in Uckfield, Sussex. And it

was Uckfield in Sussex where the trail went cold. Lucan was never

seen again. Officers from Scotland Yard scoured the countryside and

coast for weeks. Lucan's borrowed Ford Corsair was discovered

abandoned with a length of lead piping still in the boot here in

Newhaven. Cold cases don't get any colder than this one, and they

don't get any more mysterious either. The second theory was that

John Aspinall, casino owner and founder of Howlett's Zoo in Kent

and Sir James Goldsmith, multi- millionaire businessman, somehow

smuggled Lucan out of the country to escape justice. John Aspinall

for one made no secret of his loyalty towards his old gambling

friend, Lord Lucan. Here he is in a rare interview with the BBC's

Ludovic Kennedy just two years after Lucan had vanished. Well,

what I probably would have done if he had appeared here is anything

that he wished. Yes, you actually say if he had begged asylum from me

he would have got it. He would have got it. So could John Aspinall have

been behind Lord Lucan's vanishing act? John Aspinall and Sir James

Goldsmith are now both dead. Neither uttered a word in public

about the role they played in Lucan's disappearance. I had come

into the casino world by chance. What sort of world was it? What was

your job? I was the secretary, dealing with the day today, mostly

the memberships. And did he greater trust to? I think he did get

comfortable enough to trust me. And I wasn't really an inquiring sort

of person. I just take things as they came and I was quite a loyal

employee. That loyalty was soon reciprocated. John Aspinall started

to come right jail into private meetings, where Lord Lucan was the

main topic of conversation. always seemed to be standing up

with his cup of tea. I think they had been together for a while

talking before they invited me in. Instructions were to make

arrangements full Lord Lucan to see his children -- for Lord Lucan to

see his children. To do that, I had to but his two eldest children on

flights to Africa. It was between 1979 and 1981. We had to put the

passports for the two all the children. There we go to the

treetop resort in Kenya and have a holiday there. As far as they were

concerned, there are going on a safari holiday. At some point,

their father would observe them and see how there were growing up, and

look at them from a distance. It was quite clear that he wouldn't

meet them or speak to them or make himself known to them. That would

make it difficult for them, going back to their mother, saying, I

have seen daddy, or something. That was it. John Aspinall made it very

clear to you that in 1979, Lord Lucan was alive and living in

Africa? When he said, Lord Lucan wants to see his children and that

I was to send him up there, I believed that was the case. -- send

them out there. Did you realise this was a huge manhunt? Lord Lucan

was still the most wanted man in Britain at this time, and he you

while, arranging for his children to go and see him over in Africa?

just had no idea of the enormity of it. It was just me doing a job

amongst many other things that they did in that casino world, which are

quite alien to me. It seemed quite a nice thing to do in a way, to

facilitate her father seeing his children. If I now put it in the

context of he was a murderer, or there was a murder committed, and

the family have suffered enormously, it doesn't seem the same. But how

do we know that what deal is saying is true? We have done some research

and I can tell you that she did were for John Aspinall at this

Casino here in Knightsbridge. And I can introduce you to this man. His

name is Bob Polkinghorne and he's the former Detective Inspector in

charge of the Lucan case file during the 1980s. Now retired and

living in Kent, we tracked Bob down hoping he could shed more light on

what really happened to Lord Lucan. The Chief Superintendent contacted

me and asked me her to have a look at the care to see if there were

any developments. Exactly what came in while you were on the case?

was quite obvious that people were aware that Lord Lucan wasn't dead.

Lady Lucan, I am quite convinced, didn't think he was dead, in fact

she said to me he was a gambler - gamblers don't commit suicide, they

always win the next hand. Shortly afterwards, Bob received further

confirmation that Lucan was indeed alive and well. This time, a

sighting from a reliable source, an eyewitness Even though at that time

there were certainly grounds that he had murdered the nanny. After

two or three minutes he was joined by another man who they were

adamant was Lord Lucan. Surely you needed to investigate? Normally get

approval, but for some reason, I was later told to continue the

inquiry, I didn't have the proof to continue. Why do you think that

happened? I have no idea. What do you think happened to Lord Lucan?

think his gambling friends to come out of the country. So, what new

evidence have we managed to gather? First of all we have the testimony

of Jill, John Aspinall's former personal assistant he states quite

clearly that she was a instructed to send Lord Lucan's children out

to Africa so that he could see him. And then an eye witness account

where Lord Lucan was seen in Africa in 1981, where he asked for funds

to investigate further and it was refused. Was it said were Lord

Lucan was hiding? No, I presume to John Aspinall helped Lord Lucan to

get to Africa as a hideout. There is a small bit of evidence that

leads you to believe that he is not alive any more, and that revolves

around John Aspinall's final months before he died. Could you tell me

that story? I was told that nothing else would be said, but at some

point John Aspinall would make another press release in which he

would state again that Lord Lucan was dead and that he had murdered

Sandra Rivett. He said to me with regard to some of the things you

did into hat -- in terms of helping me, I don't know what to know or

don't know, Twitter said I knew very little. -- to which I said. I

just said, I would say that it was my belief that Lord Lucan was dead

and he said that he would also is the other things about his guilt,

and that would be a signal to me to know that he was indeed dead. And

so, if you wanted to speak about it after that point, it was entirely

up to me. This is what Gill believes John Aspinall meant. It is

this final interview that he gave to the Sunday Telegraph. Months

later, he died of cancer. But it has taken jail a further 12 years

to finally break the wall of silence that surrounds the Lord

Lucan mystery -- to take jail. of the big influences on my life

was John Aspinall, but I didn't understand it as muck up the time.

With hindsight, the wish you hadn't sat on this information for so

long? If I had known then what I know now, definitely. It is only

just starting to piece itself together, and since talking to

yourself, I have learnt a lot more about the case and the situation.

Yes, there are some regrets. have you asked us to conceal your

identity? We haven't paid to any money for this interview. You could

have gone to one of the national newspapers and made thousands.

don't want to make anything from it. I simply want to pass on a message,

that's all. Has it sunk in now that you assisted in a conspiracy when a

man who was wanted by Scotland Yard for murder was alive in 1979, 1980,

does that worry you now? No, have got a clear conscience. I wasn't

persisting in Lord Lucan's escaping run the thing, I came into the

picture by sending children at to see this guy... It wasn't ready all

over the press and at that time that they were desperately

searching for the runaway Lord Lucan. My conscience is clear, that

is all I want to do, his pass on the information that I have to

Next the debate as to how best help heroin users beat their diction.

There are more than 250,000 regular users in England alone. The most

common treatment for them is methadone but not everyone agrees

that is the best way to help. One charity here it is sending addicts

abroad for a radical treatment. Meet Kathy, she is 29. She is from

Surrey and she is an addict. For the last three years she has been

hooked on heroin and prescription With the help of Reading-based

charity East West Detox Kathi has come to Thailand to get clean but

You get in with the wrong crowd and try things and do things and it get

out of control. Cocaine, ecstasy, recreational - that went on for

years from the age of 18. Going And then my best friend, I said to

have, I wanted to try heroin. She said she did not mind and I said,

OK, we will get some. On the Friday I tried it and it went from there.

That decision would have a devastating effect on Kathy and her

family. I always expected to find her dead. I used to think I would

walk-in and that would be it. You keep thinking, if I had done this,

done that but it would not have made any difference. I used to come

home and collapse in a heap because I used to think, how long can this

Thamkrabok Monastery takes people from around the world with many

forms of addiction. Its detox centre, the Hague, is run by the

local forest monks. It has a fearsome reputation. Its methods

may seem harsh but its principles are basic. Addicts have to take

responsibility for themselves. People with the dictions have to

look at themselves and say, it was me and I have to change. Many of

the monks are former addicts. people, especially the ones I knew,

would laugh if they thought I was here teaching these ideas. But the

way the world is now, we are looking for these answers and

bruises and and religion, these ideas of faith and belief in

yourself are working and the world Stripped of money, possessions and

her passport, Kathy must take a wholly foul before her treatment

can begin. -- bowel. It is making a commitment not to use addictive

The next four weeks of Kathy's life will be governed by the foul. A

strict daily regime of steam baths, teachings and for the first week,

induced sickness. Reality is If I said to you, a plane ticket

home now... I would be held the door. That is the truth. I would go

home and score again but I know I cannot do that. I want to change my

The monks of believe induced sickness purges the body of all

toxins. For the first five days, addicts are given a vomiting and

medicine. It is time for Kathy's first ceremony. Not so worried

about making myself sick, it is Jess the taste of this stuff I know

will be rancid. People projectile vomit and it is knowing something

Right now I would rather be in a prison in England, but I have to

Cannot hand of the medicine man anything because he is a monk. You

take it out of here. Down it all in If you get up and walk around, you

will feel better. We know you can. There are people here a lot worse

than you. We don't need excuses. We hear excuses all the time. Kathi

has refused the steam bath. It is part of the treatment and at the

moment the monk is in their seeing if we can get her out of her bed.

It is day two and she is feeling rough. You have not gone through

the rest of it and there is a lot more to go through. It is strict,

we have compassion. We try our best. There is a negotiation, banter and

we tried to throw her back but in fact we come to a compromise. Over

all, if you do not like it, you can I just want my NP3 player so I can

sleep at night. It is the little things that seem really important.

Yes. And there is no one in my Don that speaks English, so I am

talking to nobody. Try and sleep tonight and not be woken up. It is

dark still and there is a bigger bidder in front of May. Et his

Night-time is the worst. When you cannot sleep. The only other Brit

being treated is Charlie. Four Cathie, it is a huge relief to find

Where am I? Leg at the back of this shirt. I thought it was a number in

Thai. I thought I arrived at a prison camp. It was Pat revising.

All these people walking around, mostly Thais. A Charlie is battling

with an addiction to cocaine. He also sees Thamkrabok Monastery as

his last chance to quit. I was waking up and going and getting

drugs. I did not need them but I knew that I would want them later

in the day, which was really difficult. Whereas with heroin you

do not get that because you need debt. I knew I wanted to have it

for later on in the day. I know that I am tired of it. I want to

start enjoying my life and I know I have a lot of good things going on

in my head, heart, I can succeed and get to where I want to go but

if I enable cocaine to stay in my life, those things will never

happen. As well as treating addicts, Thamkrabok Monastery serves as a

warning to others. Today the monks and patience are playing --

preparing for a very public display. This is what they call it a show

vomit. It is a event they put on three or four times a week. They

get all the local children in. It is part of their local drugs

It is these words that I cannot handle. I am freezing cold, believe

it or not. It is the night that you are struggling with the most.

you do not sleep coming off dear anyway. And at home, last night I

felt panicky key. Bat at home I would knock a couple of Valium. It

is a nightmare. It is all coming out and it is coming out a

physically and mentally. Yes. Demons in your head. Really hard.

Just get through today. It is the Cygnus think I do not want to do.

Thamkrabok Monastery does not know how many of his patients stay clean

after they leave but a report commissioned last year by East West

Detox claimed their success rate was more than double here in the UK.

And as the days go on, cap the is struggling with the stark reality

of the situation she finds herself in. I am not going to fail because

I am not going to put myself through this again ever. The one

thing I have not thought of one As I prepare to fly home, Kathy

tells me she wants to change her flight and come back early. This is

how Kathy will be celebrating her 30th birthday. But will she last

Charlie successfully completed his time in Thamkrabok Monastery and

stayed on to help other addicts. Two weeks later, Kathy has come

home early. Kathy! How are you? Are you all right? You are back home

but I guess this is where the real business starts. Yes. Just put into

place little things like changing my number, not giving it to other

people. That is the only way I can avoid it. I could find a number If

I wanted to, but I have no intention of. No way I want to do

that again. The experience has changed my outlook on everything. I

have not been clean for years. Not just the heroin, the medication but

now I am completely clean. My body is cleansed. It is great. Are you

all right? You've got your daughter back. My real daughter. Yes, not

the zombi one. Eight months on and Kathy is still clean. She is

getting her life back on track and hopes to be able to start work soon.

Just getting back to reality is hard after three years. I have

friends that still do it and the temptation is still there but after

what I have gone through, some strength inside me says I know

because if I'd do it once, that is it, game over. There is no going

back on it at all. It is just getting back to normal but it has

totally changed my life. And the good news is that Kathy continues

to do very well. That is all this week. See you next Monday. Do not