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The battle is on to save Portsmouth's shipbuilding heritage.


With closures set for next year, how will more than a thousand families


cope with the devastating impact on their lives. It will affect


everyone, basically. All my friends and family and every local business


around. We'll be asking if the south lost out to Scottish ship building


yards because of the independence referendum. It is a sad day for the


loss of work in the South yet again for a political decision for


Scotland to have all the work and others have nothing. And as the


south's contribution to the ?6 billion aircraft carrier contract is


brought to a premature end, we'll be looking back at the history and


politics surrounding shipbuilding on the south coast ` a region which


traditionally thrives in times of war but which now must learn to live


with the impact of defence cuts. I'm Robert Hall reporting from


Portsmouth for Inside Out South. Sports mode's historic dockyard is


still home to some of our most famous warships. More than five


centuries after shipbuilding began here came the news last week it was


to disappear. BAE Systems who have the monopoly on building warships in


Britain broke the story already widely linked, over 1000 jobs were


to go in England and Scotland. Statement, the secretary of state


for defence. Philip Hammond. With permission I would like to make a


statement on the future of shipbuilding programmes of the Royal


Navy. The house will be aware that this morning BAE Systems has


announced plans for their shipbuilding business. The surge of


work for the carriers comes to an end and that will regrettably mean


the closure of the shipbuilding yard in Portsmouth. It is all going to


Scotland and there is nothing left. I have had 900 through Portsmouth.


It is not good for us. A sad day for the loss of work in the South yet


again for the political decision for Scotland to have all the work and as


have nothing. We build a better product than govern. We have been


told we are better than them. Most of the managing directors are


Scottish so what can you do? I have worked here 26 years and this is the


first time it has happened to me. Starved in the back. Very angry


about this. It is not just 1000 jobs, it is 1000 homes. It is the


end of shipbuilding in Portsmouth so that is the end for me. One of the


hundreds affected is Jim from Portsea. I am going to my parents


house to let them know and then going home to see the kids. This is


my back garden. My entire life 33 years. Go and tell my mum and dad


the bad news. She'll go of her head. We've just been laid off. You've


seen it? We've just been told that workers finishing. Not building any


more. `` work is finishing. A lot of people are really unhappy


but the older boys ROK, it is only the shipbuilding side that is


affected. The time of year is rubbish, just before Christmas. Lots


of young families to support and take care of. The children grew up


here since they were babies. They have been told they are bad is


looking for the new job again. It will affect everyone. All my friends


and family and every local business around. Very sad. There are so many


jobs that are going to be lost on so many families affected. Absolutely


awful. This is their life here and it is all to do with Scotland and


money. It goes back hundreds of years, completely ruined now and


going to foreign labour. It is cutting the heart out. I understand


the impact of today's announcement on all other people in Portsmouth


and Glasgow. My primary focus along with all of my colleagues is to


minimise the impact of today's announcement as much as we possibly


can. BAE Systems said there simply weren't enough new orders to sustain


the current workforce. 940 staff and 170 agency workers would lose their


jobs in Portsmouth by the middle of next year. That's on top of 115


agency staff who were told last month that their shipyard contracts


were being terminated. The lives of port and city are interwoven, and


Doctor Dominic Fontana, who lectures at Portsmouth University, argues


that it's not the first time the community has had to adapt to the


changing fortunes of the shipbuilding industry. This isn't


the first time there's been a major change in the shipping. Over here,


we have an area of houses that used to be a shipyard until the early


1990s. It is no nice houses and we have a small fishing fleet. `` now.


This was one of the fortifications that guards at the entrance to


Portsmouth Harbour, a very narrow entrance, and there was a similar


tone on the other side. In between the two, there was a chain that used


to defend the harbour entrance. This is really the these in Portsmouth


this year. It is very defendable but in order to defend it properly, you


have to have ships. Here is an illustration of how much our


shipbuilding heritage has declined. From 42% of the world's new ships in


the 1950s to just 4% 20years on. As naval historian Duncan Redford


points out, our ships stood out across centuries of maritime


history. Portsmouth built a lot of very famous warships in its day. The


Mary Rose in its new ship hall was built here in Portsmouth, this


dockyard build HMS Dreadnought, the first big gunned battleship that


gave the name to the type of battleship that fought the First


World War, the navy's flagship at the battle of Jutland in 1916, HMS


Ironduke was guilt here in this dockyard the dockyard has built


battleships, destroyers, cruise ships frigates even submarines for


the royal navy and for commonwealth navies as well. `` was built here.


Duncan Redford says history teaches us that Portsmouth's fortunes can


travel full circle. Yes, the news is bad news for Portsmouth but behind


us we have HMS Duncan the future of the Royal Navy. The Royal Navy's


latest warship, built on the Clyde, but built from components that came


from Portsmouth dockyard and many other sites around the country. This


isn't the first time that Portsmouth has lost shipbuilding ` from the mid


1960s through to the late 1990s the dockyard did not build a ship for


the royal navy so what has gone could possibly come back in the


future, if there is a demand for it. Fundamentally BAE doesn't want to


spend enough money on the navy to justify the level of shipbuilding


sites that we currently have. Back at the fortified entrance to the


Fort, he recalled another occasion when Portsmouth stood firm against


adversity, a battle which claimed a flagship built here and now one of


the world's most successful visitor attractions. This picture shows us


what was going on in the invasion attempt of July 15 45. The French


are attacking England and it is the English fleet that is here and


defending Portsmouth from invasion by a huge French army. The port of


Portsmouth is absolutely crucial. 500 years of shipbuilding.


The first Royal dockyard was built in Portsmouth in 1212, 800 years


ago. The Mary Rose was amongst the first of the really big ships 500


years ago so there's an incredibly long tradition of building ships for


the defence of the UK. Portsmouth was shipbuilding in the sea and it


was an incredibly vibrant place with sailors coming home from the sea and


they had an incredible thirst. They were lots of breweries producing


huge amounts of air. It is all gone. `` air. During the Napoleonic


period, Portsmouth was lively but it was not the kind of place you would


call if you wear a gent he'll, nice person. It was a place you could


earn a very good living `` genteel. Of course many will remember


Portsmouth on the 5th of April 1982 when HMS Hermes and Invincible


sailed from here as part of a taskforce of 100 ships heading for


the South Atlantic and the Falklands war. Commanding the Ardent, which


sunk with the loss of more than 20 men, was Admiral West whose heroism


at the time was recognised with the Distinguished Service Cross. He says


the loss of Portsmouth as a ship building centre is directly due to


defence cuts and leaves the country dangerously exposed. Part of the


pressure on the yards has been that Our navy has been cut in size quite


dramatically. When I fought in the Falklands and was sunk there we had


over 50 frigates and destroyers, not counting aircraft carriers. In the


Defence Review 1998 which everyone regarded as best review for 40 years


` the view was we should have about 30 frigates and destroyers. We now


have 19 and everyone agrees pretty well that 19 is not enough for a


nation like ours reliant on the sea with interests all over the world,


95% imported by sea ` 19 is not enough. The biggest investor of any


European country in south Asia. A huge chunk of our energy coming from


our sea as well. Of course if you only have that number and you keep


scrapping ships and never ordering them, then it's very difficult to


have a warship building capability in the country ` and recently we


have type 45 destroyer ` six of those were built and we were going


to have 12. Instantly you have a problem. We had the carriers


building but no other ships building. To my mind, it's very


risky to our nation not to have sufficient capacity for building


warships ` by closing yards we close that option. When our country is


wealthier we will have to build up again. We haven't looked at this in


a strategic way. I believe there's a need for another stream.


I understand the commercial decision and BAE Systems have always wanted


to cause Portsmouth but I believe there less for another stream, and


that does not even take into account the problem with the Scottish people


decide to separate from the UK. We would then have two degenerate they


yard in Portsmouth `` regenerate the yard in Portsmouth, and we would not


spend ?7.5 billion on building ships in a foreign country.


But Richard Clayton from the consultancy group HIS is convinced


that the decision to move work to Scotland was not politically


motivated. I understand that BAE Systems made a strategic view and


took a commercial decision that one of these shipyards' ship building


facilities would have to close, now I personally don't think it was


anything to do with Scotland. I think it was a commercial decision


taken for commercial reasons ` that doesn't make it any easier to


accept. They've been saying for a long time that it's going to shut


down, it's going to shut down, but they've been saying that since I've


been in there and it's never happened before but basically the


way the government is at the moment and with money and budgets then it's


hard to find the money. They've just been told it's an extra two million


over budget or something, do you know what I mean? You can't answer


things like that. It's not acceptable. They went for a meeting,


came back and said, basically everyone go home today, you'll get


paid by BAE but carry on tomorrow as normal as if nothing's happened. How


can you do that? There's 800 men at work in the yard, how can we all


carry on as if nothing has happened? As the news sunk in, thousands of


people signed up to support a Facebook campaign ` Save Portsmouth


Shipyard ` calling on BAE Systems to rethink the job cuts. And a protest


march was rapidly organised. My feeling is I think it is a disgrace


and I think the Portsmouth people should stand and fight. Everybody! I


think it is the really a wrong decision and there is absolutely


wrong but I do not see any allies for us. I think Portsmouth has been


badly let down. The whole tone is coming out and it is about the tone


and the heritage. I am absolutely disgusted by the government. I


cannot believe they are closing down the only shipbuilding place in


England. The city has nothing except the dockyards. We do not think it is


fear of the government are picking on Portsmouth. It is our heritage


and her study and shipbuilding has been here for hundreds of years.


Really disappointed with Penny Martin because she works with Philip


Hammond and less as a decision that has been taken with BAE Systems and


the government and the a lot of people will be put out of work. That


is what we are here to show our support for, the workers, and for


shipbuilding across the country. We also feel for those in Glasgow. The


Conservative MP is a Royal Navy reservist. But she is in a difficult


position. Parliamentary Private Secretary to Philip Hammond, she's


not allowed to speak about issues in Parliament. Archie says she believes


it might be possible to keep the open. `` at she says. We have got to


get orders in. I have been speaking to a lot of companies who are


interested in the yard and I'm going back to some companies that BAE have


turned down work for. We tried to get BAE to build a successor to


protector. There are companies that wanted double hulled vessels built.


BAE were not interested in that work. If we can find work either for


BAE to do, or, as is more likely, for other companies to do, that has


got to be our focus for those 940 individuals, some of whom might be


out of a job. Often you have people from the same family. We have got


generations of shipbuilders in this cut `` city. It is bad for the


country. We have got to retain the sovereign capability to build


ships, to build warships, and to service them. If this had not


happened, people would have said there was no concern. This rally is


the start of a lengthy process of trying to bring home to the


government and to attempt to `` BAE that people in the city do care


about it. People still believe they have been sold down the river by the


government on this issue over Scotland. They also believe this was


all done as part of the stitch up between someone micro and the


government over BAE taking the share of the cuts, the share of the


overrun but it on the aircraft carriers. Once that was done,


Portsmouth's fate was sealed. I don't believe the money is and


therefore shipbuilding in the country. It is just where they want


to go for cheap alternatives. I understand some of our ships are


being built in Korea. Why is that decision being taken? We have a 72


hours to think about it and take some of the story. It is important


to say that shipbuilding has been in decline in the UK for about 100


years. The heyday of British building was in the years leading up


to the First World War and immediately afterwards. Since then,


the French and the Germans and the Spanish and the Dutch and the


Scandinavians and all kinds of people have taken our business away.


Since then, the Japanese took a lot of business in the 70s, and then the


Koreans in the 90s, and then the Chinese in the past ten or 15 years.


If you add up the amount of shipbuilding that has taken place in


Asia, it is 80% of all ships on the construction. There is little left


for the European market. British building has been left with Pat,


nothing. `` practically nothing. The loss of Portsmouth is just the


latest in a long series of decline for British building. If you want to


build warships, if you want the country to have a sovereign


capability, you have to order warships. That is our problem. We


can't keep up with... We have the capacity but we don't have the


requirement for the number of ships that were used to. 30 years ago, the


number of ships being commissioned by the Royal Navy was approximately


3.7 ships per year. Today we are at 0.7. That shows you the massive


change that has gone on, and yet the capability to build ships hasn't


shrunk in order with the levels of decline in terms of sales.


Southampton has already been through the pain which now seems inevitable


for Portsmouth. The John I Thorneycroft shipyard at Woolston


was one of the city's major employers, delivering its first ship


to the Royal Navy, HMS Tartar, in 1907. It built scores of warships


for the First World War, and during the Falklands crisis experts from


Woolston played a big part in converting the liners Canberra and


QE2 into troop ships. But in 2003 came the shock news that Woolston


would close and the work would go to Portsmouth. Down the road I run.


Don't forget to show the path at the mine. But while I am dreaming and


going down memory lane, let us remember the company that is our


loss and Pompey's gain. We had been there from gone 100 years before the


bulldozers came and fought us to tears.


Nonetheless, ten years ago things were looking bright for shipbuilding


on the south coast as a newly`opened Vosper Thorneycroft yard in


Portsmouth prepared to work on orders to build the new Type 45


destroyers. Portsmouth has been in the spotlight for two reasons,


firstly the opening of this new shipyard, the first to open in the


UK for 60 years. We have competition. This facility puts the


company are strong position to compete desolate `` successfully.


Despite the optimism generated by work on the Type 45 destroyers,


there were even then signs of things to come. The original plan had been


for 12 destroyers to be built, but belt tightening meant the order was


slashed to just six. So Portsmouth faces a battle onto my


first front. Firstly it needs to track `` The battle facing


Portsmouth now is to attract new jobs and retain skills.


Iit shouldn't be forgotten that 11,000 people are still employed on


maintenance of ships, and the government has promised ?100 million


to develop Portsmouth as the base for the two new aircraft carriers.


But many say that's old money, and more is now needed to plug the gap


left by the demise of shipbuilding. Any major loss of jobs, first of all


you have to feel disappointed for the people who have lost their job.


940 direct jobs and possibly up to 2000 indirect jobs, it is a huge


economic blow to the region. This is not just people who live in


Portsmouth. This is a wider Solent region. Sometimes we focus on the


city 's directly affected. But it does affect the wider region. Off


the back of the Ford factory, this has been a bad couple of weeks for


us in this region. Government have to recognise that is any, priority


`` there is an economic priority. Just going home now to tell my wife


the bad news, and the children. Hopefully she will be OK about it


but maybe not. We will see. April next year, April, May, they up


closing the shipbuilding completely. No more ships being built. We are


all right for the moment but we have to look for something shortly. We


have just got to accept it. It is out of our hands. We have got to


make the most of it. It is known good being down. I have got four


kids. I can't come home depressed. I may feel down and crap, but you have


got to do what you have got to do. I have defined whelk `` work `` I have


to find work elsewhere. You have to be positive or you would just sit


there depressed. I don't want to go and sign on. I want to go out and


look for work. Shipbuilding is a very labour`intensive industry. It


is best done where Labour is cheap. For the Japanese in the 70s, they


found that their Labour was undercut by the Koreans. The Koreans have


been undercut by the Chinese. The Chinese are being undercut by the


Vietnamese. Wherever they go, there is always somebody else who once the


business `` wants the business for lower wages. It will be a


disappointment but we have to take `` come to terms that we don't make


aeroplanes or cars any more. Why is it any different that we don't build


ships now? It is important for us all to understand that British


shipbuilding started in places like Sunderland and Newcastle, Liverpool


and Barrow, Glasgow. All of those cities have had to learn to adapt to


new technologies when the shipbuilding industry went into


decline. The employees there have moved away into different site


tours. That they work at sea. Perhaps they work in the offshore


sector. `` perhaps they work at sea. They have had to adapt and I think


the people in of Portsmouth are going to have to learn to do that as


well stop `` as well. Daniel Defoe said in 1720 that when this war ``


there is war with France or Spain, Portsmouth becomes rich. It has


always been important to the city when there has been a need for the


Navy. Times of peace, when is a reduced need for the Navy,


Portsmouth has always suffered. This is part of an ongoing historical


process. It is a shame that 500 years of tradition shipbuilding is


coming to an end here. Certainly there have been times in the past


when shipbuilding has been at a fairly low ebb within Portsmouth.


But it has always come back. Whether it comes back in the future, I don't


know. Is this the end of an ancient tradition? The unions certainly hope


not. They have already begun pressing their case. In the coming


days, weeks and months, all sides will be trying to find a future for


English shipbuilding. We will be all right. We are from Portsmouth. We


have been through a lot in the past. Home is where the heart is. We will


be good. Hopefully. Hello, I'm Ellie Crisell with your


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