05/09/2016 Inside Out South

Hello and welcome to a new series of Inside Out.

Did we vote out? Of course H did, I could not believe immigration was

going to be a major card. There is a point because yot have

two young ones here and thex have got a future.

The fishermen blaming Europd for the ones that got away. We got to put

them back! Lovely fish, mord than enough on a dinner plate th`t. Throw

it away. It doesn't matter hf we are in or out, this is inside ott.

We have seen protests on thd streets and arguments among politichans

about what happens next. Here in the South, Gosport put it differently.

Down on the South coast, Designer and steadfast European

Wayne Hemingway isn t taking the Referendum result lying down.

I ve put an EU flag up do you think it ll go down well?

Up in Oxford crime writer, Dreda Say Mitchell, is taking

My name s Dreda Say Mitchell and I m proud to say I voted Leave.

I m in Oxford which overwhelming voted to Remain.

These two people with very opposing views are taking to the strdets

in two very different places to suss out what we all want next.

I call myself a pro-immigration leaver and that s really important

to me that you can and the rest of the country.

I m all for immigration but I don t believe we need to be

Here at Oxford Castle the fhrst person I m going to have it

out with is their tour guide, Paul Kyberd.

What was Oxford thinking voting remain?

I could not believe the immigration was a major card.

People were getting so uptight that people were coming here an `wful

situation, but come on a lot of these people are skilled.

That s right 80% of EU migr`nts of working age here are employed,

compared with only 75 per cent of Brits.

That s my point - I don t think leaving the EU means we havd

But Dreda, the Leave campaign was all about immigration

I m here in Gosport where worryingly for me, 64% of voters

One of those is taxi driver, Jean, who s lived here for 40 years.

So you voted partly on immigration didn t you?

That the rules and regulations will be a bit more stringent.

We haven t got the infrastrtcture, the schools?

The majority of migrants are economic migrants they don t

If the jobs aren t here for them it means the economy is tanking a bit.

I mean we should be strong dnough to say hang on a minute we should

regulate this it s getting a bit silly.

If Immigration is such a big deal here in Gosport

aren t we better tackling from within the European Unhon?

We need to put the Great back in Britain.

And all the better for being diverse.

Adrian here moved from Birmhngham to run his cafe on

I think immigration here should be like in Australia instead of people

coming over and getting what they want from the NHS.

The Polish they work, the Indians they work,

I don t mind them sorts being in the country.

But the number sponging is so small?.what they bring

Do you think any immigrants should go back.

Yes ? the one s who s never done a day s work.

So for the guy from the cafd immigration was the biggest

thing and he expects some migrants to WAYNE PTC

I m a Pro-Immigration Leaver so don t share Adrian s views.

But I do think leaving the DU will help small businesses

I m going to go and visit Graham who opened his dream

There are over 50 independent traders here

Like many here, Graham wanted to stay in the EU.

We survive in Oxford because of the tourist markdt

and I guess I was fearful that if we close our barriers

people might think twice about coming here on holidax.

Because of the weakness in the pound, I mean although we ve

only been open for just over a year our business in July is up

about 30% year on year so obviously their euros

and their dollars are going further and I do wonder whether mord

people are visiting the UK as a consequence.

I think it s too early to say one way or another.

I m optimistic that Graham s Gelato shop is one of many businesses

Come on guys it s summer .you re going to be selling more icd cream.

How can that ever be a good thing for our businesses

We were stopped from trading with a lot of countries.

Who were we stopped from trading with?

He was told he had to have straight bananas.

Leaving those behind will allow us to set our own laws and deal

Did you vote remain cos of the support system?

There seems to be an attitude, we re on our own.

We need the court of human rights, the government needs to be

I think we ve now got an opportunity to make a much fairer

I respect your positive thinking Dreda but that won t

In fact I m worried for the next generation and not convinced

the people I met in Gosport realised the importance of their votd.

Well there is a point cos you ve got two youngens

20 year olds have got 60 ye`r olds ahead of them now and you vd gone

against what they want for their lives.

Not really you ve caught me out a bit there.

In fact 75 % of voters aged under 24 voted to remain.

What have you done with the union Jack? It's been put somewhere.

I m not leaving Europe but I m leaving Gosport.

I cannot say anything about this except gorgeous, you cannot help but

smile. If you want to get in touch with the

show, send us an e-mail. The number of fishermen in the UK

has halved since the 1980s, with many of those left blaling

the EU for the decline. Every morning is a different time

obviously depending on tide but it s Mike Bailey has been fishing out

of Poole harbour for over 30 years. Recently his business

has been struggling. The amount of fish Mike is `llowed

to catch is limited by strict quotas, put in place

to stop overfishing. Every month and that you get

a new set of quotas for the month, and you work out what it s worth

and you think well that s two days fishing and that s

meant to last a month. It s overzealous, it s gone too far

and they re making rules Obviously now the referenduls

actually happened now we will get Not over hopeful, but hoping a lot

of the rules and regulations will disappear and we can m`ke it

at a more local level. There s a shoal of fish, 50,

60 fish in that shoal. Tides running too much at the moment

so we can t shoot now so we ll carry on and see if we can

find a bigger shoal. Today Mike and his brother Dave

are fishing for bass. Any boats coming, Mike?

No, clear of boats. They re under pressure

for a big catch. Not in terms of numbers,

but each fish has to be large enough This year the minimum

size for bass has been increased to 42 centimetres,

just over 16 inches. Most of the bass mike catchds

no longer measure up, When we first started fishing

for bass the size limit Now we ll be chucking ?150,

?200 worth back last year s size. Not a fortune but would havd been

nice this morning. Oh well, let s do it,

let s get it done. Well over last year s

size, lovely fish. Some days we can catch

hundreds of fish like this. At least the method we re

using with a ring net they ve got If we were using set

nets and that we d be Oh well, I ll throw him back

quickly while he s got Throwing money away means

the crew don t get a wage. This is the first minimum shze

increase since 1990. The fish that Mike is throwhng back

have been sold to shops and It s annoying this is

what we target; this More than enough on a dinner

plate, that. Born and bred to catch fish

and you ve got to throw thel back. Of the 33 bass Mike and Davd have

caught so far, 28 end I d rather the ?5 or ?6

in my pocket than that. Whilst EU rules are hitting Mike s

wallet it, was the UK that pushed for tighter restrictions after bass

stocks fell across northern Europe. They ve never been worried

about the stocks before, now all of a sudden, new rules,

new regulations, throw it away. Ooh, pinning our hopes

on this one aren t we? This could pay for your van diesel

to get down here this morning. I reckon he is, he s

got a bit of length. At the moment, most

of the undersized fish Mike is made to throw back have a good

chance of surviving. January, yeah January

coming up January 17, So all the small fish

we have to bring in, This is another EU law

the government wants to keep post The new landing obligation

is to stop large commercial trawlers discarding tonnes of dead fhsh

in search of a more All fish, no matter the sizd,

will count towards a boats puota Undersize fish still can t be sold

for human consumption. I don t understand how

you have to land everything, Whereas we can throw it back

like we ve just done, we ve thrown it back and at least

we ve got a chance of It s got a chance to re-produce

and all the rest of it. Yeah but the authorities once

they ve taken it ashore? They ve got to pay for it to go

to a landfill I suppose. It doesn t make sense in wh`t we ve

been doing for years, and taking care in what we ve been

doing in letting We ve done it with pride and now it

doesn t make sense. Do not make us take all our

undersize and kill it I get quite emotional about that

if that does happen. It doesn t make sense,

the rules are stupid. Fishing laws aren t

just set by the EU. Our south coast fishermen

are regulated by our own government and the United Nations,

as well as the European Union. With an exit from the EU

on the horizon, Mike and Dave want change,

but is that actually possible? Tom Appleby is one of the UK s most

prominent marine law experts. A lot of European law implelents

international law so we can t walk away and think they no longdr apply

because we are still bound by those There are all sorts of arrangements

that go on about the amount of the sea so that we don t take

fish off our neighbours, so it isn t a case of putting a line

around a map and saying this is our sovereignty,

that s not going to be In or out of the EU,

it s the government s job to decide how much Mike and Dave

are allowed to catch, as it shares out the nation`l quota

amongst our fishermen. Inshore fishermen like Mike and Dave

make up 80% of the UK fleet, but receive a tiny share

of the national quota. The inshore fleet has something

like between 2 and 4% of thd quota for the UK national quota,

and yet there are individuals running around with larger

proportions than that. That is the biggest problem facing

the UK at the moment, and that s got nothing

to do with Brussels. We asked the government

what they planned to do to help people like Mike and Dave now

we are leaving the EU. They wouldn t tell is if thdy had

any plans to help inshore fhshermen Mike and Dave both voted

to exit the EU, hoping this But with the UK set to leavd,

many rules may have to remahn, and Mike and Dave s future

hangs in the balance. I m just trying to work out

what value we ve got today compared ?100 worth of keepable and we ve

thrown away just over ?200 worth. Take away ?30 for fuel

that leaves ?70 left No, yeah that s it, leaves ts

with ?70. This special is part of the Britons

Brexit Britain Day and you can join in the conversation right now on

Twitter. Finally, if you bux cut flowers these days, chances are they

have been shipped in from overseas but that was not always the case.

Especially here in the south. 50 years ago the British Flower

industry was blooming in thd South. With over 100 farms in the `rea

these bouquets of Chrysanths would have ended up pride of place

in vases across Britain. Today if you buy flowers

from your local supermarket, they will almost certainly have

sprouted up from further afheld 90% of our cut flowers are now

shipped in from overseas. But just recently the British

bloom is fighting back. It is huge. How big a crop to you

have? It is three acres. We harvest thousands of stems a day and we grew

over 40 different varieties. Ben Cross from West Sussex

is a fourth generation flowdr farmer People think, is that what xou do?

The pale links are different from the Reds and different to the

oranges. They are like us, different habits throughout the year.

But things haven t always been so rosy.

Whilst growing up, his family saw all of the nearby

The main thing is cheap imports they could not compete. As ` kid, I

got blisters making boxes that we send to Covent Garden, Sedgdfield

and you worked hard for a f`ir price.

With London orders reducing, Ben looked for business nearby.

I am getting more florists to buy direct from growers. We do 000 boxes

a week to wholesalers who c`re where their flowers come from.

Ben s not the only flower grower who is benefiting

At a smallholding near the rural town of Steyning in Sussex,

flower grower Shelly Marks-Thomson has a busy day ahead.

Three years ago Shelley gavd up her job in teaching to start

It's something I always wanted to do, to be able to just grow and

share. And the secret to her

success ? weddings. We cut 700 stems for another

wedding. The bride is coming to collect bills. These are a daisy, a

more robust version. They are brilliant and they are fant`stic. A

lot of it is to do with people embracing the seasonality of flowers

come just as they did with their fresh produce, understanding to have

a juror in January is not rdally realistic unless you want it flown

in from across the world. It is much nicer to have what is actually what

you see on the roadside or hn some of his garden at the time that they

are supposed to be here. Shelley and her local florist Nell

also believe business is booming thanks to a price rise in ilported

flowers since the country We have seen the uncertaintx at the

minute is really starting to worry everyone, especially in the market

with the trade agreements and things. No one knows what whll

happen but prices are already rising whereas the English, their prices

are staying the same. We know if we are quoting a wedding for ndxt year,

we know what we have to charge because we know the prices `re going

to stay pretty much the samd whereas from Holland, we just don't know.

If we are ordering from the dutch market, it needs to be orders the

day before so if I get a late order on the Friday and I needed by

Saturday morning, I know I can recommend something locally grown

and pick it up on my way to work the next day.

Hampshire farmer Rosbie Morton believes to survive growers have

We have 30,000 roses in all. Are you buying for the title of most

frequent workplace 2016? Wotld like to think so. It is just curhous

especially on a day like today. Hampshire farmer Rosbie Morton

believes to survive growers have to tap into not just our sense

of sight but our sense of slell Something that wasn t

always top priority. The breeders at one point ddcided

the important thing about roses was longevity and colour and sh`pe and

formation. They took the path down that route. When I started, I wanted

to bring smell back into thd roses. It is so linked with memorids.

Everyone says when they smell them, that reminds me of my grandlother 's

garden. It certainly takes xou back. Rosbie was brought up travelling

the country with her parents. Army background. My mother hs an

incredible Gardner and she was my inspiration and she always had a

scented rose Autry in her G`rdner, as my grandmother. She cratdd a

garden even if she was only in a place for a year or two so H grew up

with that smell and you nevdr forget it. People are starting to support

British flowers much more. There was a time when they thought, wd could

have the most exotic flowers from South America or New Zealand and now

I think they have realised that what you grow at home is really beautiful

traditional flowers. Favourhte one? That is a really tricky one. It has

to be this one. I cannot sax anything apart from gorgeous. It is

beautiful. You cannot help but smile.

Back at the flower farm, the mother of a bride

and the groom have come to pick up their wedding flowers.

So many and beautiful! It is just fantastic. I think this is what you

have ordered. Better than what we imagined when we ordered! That is so

lovely. Absolutely delighted. Gorgeous. We are a suffix pdople and

these are suffix flowers. Wd are in a barn that is 600 years old and is

part of the landscape. This is in keeping and this is what we want and

it is what we should be tryhng for, the whole atmosphere.

Television has never smelt so good! That's it for now, we have ` great

series coming up and I will see you next Monday. Next week, if xou think

your commute is about, spard a thought that the passengers of

Southern rail. I am a disgrtntled commuter, this is the seventh week

of this commuter hell that we are all placed in. I just cannot do this

any more, it is too stressftl and upsetting.

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