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Hello. Tonight I'm at the home of Hello. Tonight I'm at the home of | :00:20. | :00:21. | |
Hello. Tonight I'm at the home of Birmingham City Amateur Boxing Club | :00:21. | :00:22. | |
Birmingham City Amateur Boxing Club Birmingham City Amateur Boxing Club | :00:22. | :00:23. | |
Birmingham City Amateur Boxing Club as we're on the trail of a | :00:23. | :00:24. | |
as we're on the trail of a as we're on the trail of a | :00:24. | :00:27. | |
forgotten boxing hero from the forgotten boxing hero from the | :00:27. | :00:31. | |
forgotten boxing hero from the 1930s. Also on the show: | :00:31. | :00:32. | |
1930s. Also on the show: 1930s. Also on the show: | :00:32. | :00:33. | |
Unlocking the hidden world of the Unlocking the hidden world of the | :00:33. | :00:34. | |
Unlocking the hidden world of the young carers juggling home and | :00:34. | :00:37. | |
young carers juggling home and young carers juggling home and | :00:37. | :00:38. | |
young carers juggling home and school life. I want to go out and | :00:38. | :00:39. | |
school life. I want to go out and school life. I want to go out and | :00:39. | :00:40. | |
school life. I want to go out and see my friends, but I don't feel I | :00:40. | :00:41. | |
see my friends, but I don't feel I see my friends, but I don't feel I | :00:41. | :00:42. | |
see my friends, but I don't feel I can because I want to be watching | :00:42. | :00:43. | |
can because I want to be watching can because I want to be watching | :00:43. | :00:44. | |
can because I want to be watching my mum, making sure she is OK and | :00:44. | :00:47. | |
everything. everything. | :00:47. | :00:48. | |
everything. But first tonight, the government | :00:48. | :00:49. | |
But first tonight, the government remains committed to culling | :00:49. | :00:50. | |
remains committed to culling remains committed to culling | :00:50. | :00:51. | |
badgers in an attempt to control badgers in an attempt to control | :00:51. | :00:52. | |
tuberculosis in cattle, despite tuberculosis in cattle, despite | :00:52. | :00:56. | |
tuberculosis in cattle, despite postponing the scheme in October. | :00:56. | :00:57. | |
postponing the scheme in October. postponing the scheme in October. | :00:57. | :00:58. | |
postponing the scheme in October. The plan to train marksmen to shoot | :00:58. | :00:59. | |
The plan to train marksmen to shoot The plan to train marksmen to shoot | :00:59. | :01:00. | |
thousands of badgers in two areas, thousands of badgers in two areas, | :01:00. | :01:01. | |
including Gloucestershire, has been including Gloucestershire, has been | :01:01. | :01:04. | |
including Gloucestershire, has been delayed until the summer. But is | :01:04. | :01:09. | |
delayed until the summer. But is delayed until the summer. But is | :01:09. | :01:10. | |
there a viable alternative? Bovine there a viable alternative? Bovine | :01:10. | :01:11. | |
there a viable alternative? Bovine tuberculosis is one of the biggest | :01:11. | :01:12. | |
tuberculosis is one of the biggest tuberculosis is one of the biggest | :01:12. | :01:13. | |
challenges facing our farmers with challenges facing our farmers with | :01:13. | :01:14. | |
challenges facing our farmers with 35,000 cows slaughtered in the UK | :01:14. | :01:20. | |
35,000 cows slaughtered in the UK 35,000 cows slaughtered in the UK | :01:20. | :01:21. | |
35,000 cows slaughtered in the UK last year alone. It has a huge | :01:21. | :01:22. | |
last year alone. It has a huge last year alone. It has a huge | :01:22. | :01:23. | |
last year alone. It has a huge effect on not only myself, but the | :01:23. | :01:24. | |
effect on not only myself, but the effect on not only myself, but the | :01:24. | :01:25. | |
effect on not only myself, but the family and the staff who work on | :01:25. | :01:26. | |
family and the staff who work on family and the staff who work on | :01:26. | :01:27. | |
family and the staff who work on the farm as well. Come on, girl. | :01:27. | :01:32. | |
the farm as well. Come on, girl. the farm as well. Come on, girl. | :01:32. | :01:33. | |
the farm as well. Come on, girl. Come on. It is a big day on | :01:33. | :01:34. | |
Come on. It is a big day on Come on. It is a big day on | :01:34. | :01:35. | |
Stephen's dairy farms. I have come Stephen's dairy farms. I have come | :01:35. | :01:36. | |
Stephen's dairy farms. I have come Stephen's dairy farms. I have come | :01:36. | :01:37. | |
to see his latest TB test. All 270 to see his latest TB test. All 270 | :01:37. | :01:38. | |
to see his latest TB test. All 270 to see his latest TB test. All 270 | :01:38. | :01:39. | |
of his dairy cows have to be of his dairy cows have to be | :01:39. | :01:40. | |
of his dairy cows have to be of his dairy cows have to be | :01:40. | :01:49. | |
checked to see if they have the checked to see if they have the | :01:49. | :01:50. | |
checked to see if they have the disease. Two days ago the vet | :01:50. | :01:51. | |
disease. Two days ago the vet disease. Two days ago the vet | :01:51. | :01:51. | |
disease. Two days ago the vet injected be cows in the neck with | :01:51. | :01:52. | |
injected be cows in the neck with injected be cows in the neck with | :01:52. | :01:53. | |
the tuberculosis skin test. Now he the tuberculosis skin test. Now he | :01:53. | :01:54. | |
the tuberculosis skin test. Now he the tuberculosis skin test. Now he | :01:54. | :01:55. | |
is measuring the lumps to see if is measuring the lumps to see if | :01:55. | :01:56. | |
is measuring the lumps to see if is measuring the lumps to see if | :01:56. | :01:57. | |
there is a reaction. Here I have to there is a reaction. Here I have to | :01:57. | :01:58. | |
there is a reaction. Here I have to measure the skin thickness and we | :01:58. | :01:59. | |
measure the skin thickness and we measure the skin thickness and we | :01:59. | :02:00. | |
measure the skin thickness and we measure the skin thickness and we | :02:00. | :02:01. | |
have got ten at the top and we have have got ten at the top and we have | :02:01. | :02:08. | |
have got ten at the top and we have have got ten at the top and we have | :02:08. | :02:09. | |
got nine at the bottom. OK. Tell me, got nine at the bottom. OK. Tell me, | :02:09. | :02:10. | |
got nine at the bottom. OK. Tell me, got nine at the bottom. OK. Tell me, | :02:10. | :02:11. | |
got nine at the bottom. OK. Tell me, what is it like on a day like today, | :02:11. | :02:11. | |
what is it like on a day like today, what is it like on a day like today, | :02:11. | :02:12. | |
what is it like on a day like today, having to go through all this? | :02:12. | :02:14. | |
having to go through all this? having to go through all this? | :02:14. | :02:15. | |
are on tenterhooks. You are waiting are on tenterhooks. You are waiting | :02:15. | :02:16. | |
are on tenterhooks. You are waiting are on tenterhooks. You are waiting | :02:16. | :02:17. | |
for the vet to read the test and for the vet to read the test and | :02:17. | :02:18. | |
for the vet to read the test and for the vet to read the test and | :02:18. | :02:19. | |
you are hoping and praying that you you are hoping and praying that you | :02:19. | :02:22. | |
you are hoping and praying that you you are hoping and praying that you | :02:22. | :02:23. | |
don't get a negative result. It is don't get a negative result. It is | :02:23. | :02:27. | |
don't get a negative result. It is a very time-consuming time as well. | :02:27. | :02:28. | |
a very time-consuming time as well. a very time-consuming time as well. | :02:28. | :02:29. | |
a very time-consuming time as well. It is extra hassle for the cattle, | :02:29. | :02:30. | |
It is extra hassle for the cattle, It is extra hassle for the cattle, | :02:30. | :02:30. | |
It is extra hassle for the cattle, having to go through the test and | :02:30. | :02:31. | |
having to go through the test and having to go through the test and | :02:31. | :02:33. | |
having to go through the test and to be handled twice in a week. They | :02:33. | :02:37. | |
to be handled twice in a week. They to be handled twice in a week. They | :02:37. | :02:38. | |
to be handled twice in a week. They to be handled twice in a week. They | :02:38. | :02:38. | |
do not like it. She is good to go. do not like it. She is good to go. | :02:38. | :02:42. | |
do not like it. She is good to go. do not like it. She is good to go. | :02:42. | :02:43. | |
She is fine. Sometimes the cows are She is fine. Sometimes the cows are | :02:43. | :02:44. | |
She is fine. Sometimes the cows are clear, but if they are infected, | :02:44. | :02:45. | |
clear, but if they are infected, clear, but if they are infected, | :02:45. | :02:46. | |
they have to be slaughtered. Today, they have to be slaughtered. Today, | :02:46. | :02:47. | |
they have to be slaughtered. Today, three cows have to be isolated | :02:47. | :02:50. | |
three cows have to be isolated three cows have to be isolated | :02:50. | :02:51. | |
because they are inconclusive. They because they are inconclusive. They | :02:51. | :02:52. | |
because they are inconclusive. They because they are inconclusive. They | :02:52. | :02:53. | |
will be tested again in 60 days. In will be tested again in 60 days. In | :02:54. | :02:55. | |
will be tested again in 60 days. In the meantime, Steve cannot buy or | :02:55. | :03:00. | |
the meantime, Steve cannot buy or the meantime, Steve cannot buy or | :03:00. | :03:01. | |
the meantime, Steve cannot buy or sell any cows. It has been another | :03:01. | :03:02. | |
sell any cows. It has been another sell any cows. It has been another | :03:02. | :03:03. | |
difficult day for Steve, whose herd difficult day for Steve, whose herd | :03:03. | :03:04. | |
difficult day for Steve, whose herd difficult day for Steve, whose herd | :03:04. | :03:05. | |
is not TB free. He is still under is not TB free. He is still under | :03:05. | :03:06. | |
is not TB free. He is still under restrictions for the next two | :03:06. | :03:07. | |
restrictions for the next two restrictions for the next two | :03:07. | :03:08. | |
months, with all the problems that months, with all the problems that | :03:08. | :03:09. | |
months, with all the problems that brings. The main frustration as a | :03:09. | :03:10. | |
brings. The main frustration as a brings. The main frustration as a | :03:10. | :03:11. | |
brings. The main frustration as a farmer is that we are not making | :03:11. | :03:13. | |
farmer is that we are not making farmer is that we are not making | :03:13. | :03:14. | |
farmer is that we are not making any progress. We are not having a | :03:14. | :03:15. | |
any progress. We are not having a any progress. We are not having a | :03:15. | :03:16. | |
any progress. We are not having a test and thinking, it will only be | :03:16. | :03:17. | |
test and thinking, it will only be test and thinking, it will only be | :03:17. | :03:18. | |
one more because we are making one more because we are making | :03:18. | :03:21. | |
one more because we are making one more because we are making | :03:21. | :03:22. | |
headway on combating TB. It is not headway on combating TB. It is not | :03:22. | :03:23. | |
headway on combating TB. It is not happening and it is frustrating for | :03:23. | :03:24. | |
happening and it is frustrating for happening and it is frustrating for | :03:24. | :03:25. | |
happening and it is frustrating for me and the next generation who may | :03:25. | :03:28. | |
me and the next generation who may me and the next generation who may | :03:28. | :03:29. | |
farm here. Farmers want something farm here. Farmers want something | :03:29. | :03:30. | |
farm here. Farmers want something farm here. Farmers want something | :03:30. | :03:34. | |
done and this summer that will mean done and this summer that will mean | :03:34. | :03:34. | |
done and this summer that will mean cull. Having looked at all the | :03:35. | :03:36. | |
cull. Having looked at all the cull. Having looked at all the | :03:36. | :03:36. | |
evidence over many years, I am evidence over many years, I am | :03:37. | :03:37. | |
utterly convinced that badger utterly convinced that badger | :03:38. | :03:38. | |
utterly convinced that badger utterly convinced that badger | :03:39. | :03:42. | |
control is the right thing to do. control is the right thing to do. | :03:42. | :03:43. | |
Many scientists and Many scientists and | :03:43. | :03:44. | |
Many scientists and conservationists are opposed to the | :03:44. | :03:46. | |
conservationists are opposed to the cull. Particularly strong | :03:46. | :03:47. | |
cull. Particularly strong cull. Particularly strong | :03:47. | :03:51. | |
opposition has come from the RSPCA. opposition has come from the RSPCA. | :03:51. | :03:52. | |
opposition has come from the RSPCA. opposition has come from the RSPCA. | :03:52. | :03:54. | |
What is your view on the cull? What is your view on the cull? | :03:54. | :03:55. | |
What is your view on the cull? is wrong because the only | :03:55. | :03:56. | |
is wrong because the only is wrong because the only | :03:56. | :03:57. | |
independent piece of science found independent piece of science found | :03:57. | :03:58. | |
independent piece of science found independent piece of science found | :03:58. | :04:01. | |
it did not have a major effect on it did not have a major effect on | :04:01. | :04:02. | |
it did not have a major effect on bovine TB. There was something like | :04:02. | :04:03. | |
bovine TB. There was something like bovine TB. There was something like | :04:03. | :04:04. | |
bovine TB. There was something like a 16% decline over a period of many | :04:04. | :04:05. | |
a 16% decline over a period of many a 16% decline over a period of many | :04:05. | :04:11. | |
years if you slaughtered the years if you slaughtered the | :04:11. | :04:12. | |
years if you slaughtered the badgers. We also oppose the method | :04:12. | :04:13. | |
badgers. We also oppose the method badgers. We also oppose the method | :04:13. | :04:14. | |
the government is using. Free the government is using. Free | :04:14. | :04:16. | |
the government is using. Free shooting is a higher risk method. | :04:16. | :04:17. | |
shooting is a higher risk method. shooting is a higher risk method. | :04:17. | :04:18. | |
shooting is a higher risk method. It means that some badgers will not | :04:18. | :04:19. | |
It means that some badgers will not It means that some badgers will not | :04:19. | :04:20. | |
be killed outright. They will go be killed outright. They will go | :04:20. | :04:21. | |
be killed outright. They will go underground and they will bleed to | :04:21. | :04:22. | |
underground and they will bleed to underground and they will bleed to | :04:22. | :04:31. | |
underground and they will bleed to death and suffer as a result. | :04:31. | :04:32. | |
death and suffer as a result. death and suffer as a result. | :04:32. | :04:33. | |
this is where the ultimate solution this is where the ultimate solution | :04:33. | :04:34. | |
this is where the ultimate solution this is where the ultimate solution | :04:34. | :04:35. | |
lies - inside a science lab. Cattle lies - inside a science lab. Cattle | :04:35. | :04:36. | |
lies - inside a science lab. Cattle vaccination is thought by many to | :04:36. | :04:37. | |
vaccination is thought by many to vaccination is thought by many to | :04:37. | :04:38. | |
vaccination is thought by many to be the missing piece of the jigsaw | :04:38. | :04:39. | |
be the missing piece of the jigsaw be the missing piece of the jigsaw | :04:39. | :04:40. | |
in tackling bovine TB. It could in tackling bovine TB. It could | :04:40. | :04:41. | |
in tackling bovine TB. It could stop both cows and badgers from | :04:41. | :04:43. | |
stop both cows and badgers from stop both cows and badgers from | :04:43. | :04:45. | |
dying. And at the heart of dying. And at the heart of | :04:45. | :04:45. | |
vaccination research are the vaccination research are the | :04:46. | :04:49. | |
government's own animal health government's own animal health | :04:50. | :04:51. | |
laboratories. Developing a cattle laboratories. Developing a cattle | :04:51. | :04:51. | |
laboratories. Developing a cattle vaccination against TB is complex | :04:51. | :04:52. | |
vaccination against TB is complex vaccination against TB is complex | :04:52. | :04:53. | |
vaccination against TB is complex and difficult and it is here that | :04:53. | :04:54. | |
and difficult and it is here that scientists are working towards | :04:54. | :04:55. | |
scientists are working towards scientists are working towards | :04:55. | :04:56. | |
solving the problem. For the last solving the problem. For the last | :04:56. | :04:57. | |
solving the problem. For the last 15 years they have been trying | :04:57. | :04:58. | |
15 years they have been trying 15 years they have been trying | :04:58. | :04:59. | |
15 years they have been trying every think they can think of to | :04:59. | :05:00. | |
every think they can think of to every think they can think of to | :05:00. | :05:01. | |
find an effective vaccine, but they find an effective vaccine, but they | :05:01. | :05:09. | |
find an effective vaccine, but they find an effective vaccine, but they | :05:09. | :05:10. | |
are not there yet. At the moment, are not there yet. At the moment, | :05:10. | :05:11. | |
are not there yet. At the moment, are not there yet. At the moment, | :05:11. | :05:12. | |
we don't have a vaccine you can we don't have a vaccine you can | :05:12. | :05:13. | |
we don't have a vaccine you can we don't have a vaccine you can | :05:13. | :05:13. | |
take off the shelf and inject into take off the shelf and inject into | :05:13. | :05:14. | |
take off the shelf and inject into cows. The only vaccine we could | :05:14. | :05:15. | |
cows. The only vaccine we could cows. The only vaccine we could | :05:15. | :05:16. | |
currently work with is a vaccine currently work with is a vaccine | :05:16. | :05:20. | |
currently work with is a vaccine currently work with is a vaccine | :05:20. | :05:23. | |
used in people. It is called BCG. used in people. It is called BCG. | :05:23. | :05:24. | |
used in people. It is called BCG. used in people. It is called BCG. | :05:24. | :05:25. | |
It will protect a certain number of It will protect a certain number of | :05:25. | :05:29. | |
animals against acquiring infection. animals against acquiring infection. | :05:29. | :05:30. | |
animals against acquiring infection. animals against acquiring infection. | :05:30. | :05:31. | |
It will reduce the infection in a It will reduce the infection in a | :05:31. | :05:31. | |
It will reduce the infection in a certain percentage of animals and | :05:31. | :05:32. | |
certain percentage of animals and certain percentage of animals and | :05:32. | :05:33. | |
certain percentage of animals and by doing so, we expect it to reduce | :05:33. | :05:35. | |
by doing so, we expect it to reduce by doing so, we expect it to reduce | :05:35. | :05:36. | |
the transmission of TB from one the transmission of TB from one | :05:36. | :05:42. | |
the transmission of TB from one the transmission of TB from one | :05:42. | :05:42. | |
animal to another. So if there is animal to another. So if there is | :05:42. | :05:43. | |
animal to another. So if there is something that works, why don't our | :05:43. | :05:45. | |
something that works, why don't our something that works, why don't our | :05:45. | :05:46. | |
cows have it? The problem is cows have it? The problem is | :05:46. | :05:47. | |
cows have it? The problem is vaccinating cattle is banned under | :05:47. | :05:50. | |
vaccinating cattle is banned under vaccinating cattle is banned under | :05:50. | :05:51. | |
European law. That is because when European law. That is because when | :05:51. | :05:52. | |
European law. That is because when European law. That is because when | :05:52. | :05:53. | |
you use the skin test on farms, you use the skin test on farms, | :05:53. | :05:54. | |
both vaccinated and infected both vaccinated and infected | :05:54. | :05:55. | |
both vaccinated and infected animals appear to test positive for | :05:55. | :05:59. | |
animals appear to test positive for animals appear to test positive for | :06:00. | :06:00. | |
animals appear to test positive for TB. So we needed a new test that | :06:01. | :06:02. | |
TB. So we needed a new test that TB. So we needed a new test that | :06:02. | :06:04. | |
can tell the difference between the can tell the difference between the | :06:04. | :06:05. | |
can tell the difference between the can tell the difference between the | :06:05. | :06:08. | |
two. It is called the diva test. two. It is called the diva test. | :06:08. | :06:09. | |
two. It is called the diva test. two. It is called the diva test. | :06:09. | :06:10. | |
What we now have is a test that What we now have is a test that | :06:10. | :06:11. | |
What we now have is a test that What we now have is a test that | :06:11. | :06:11. | |
will be positive if you have TB will be positive if you have TB | :06:11. | :06:12. | |
will be positive if you have TB infection and will be negative if | :06:12. | :06:13. | |
infection and will be negative if infection and will be negative if | :06:13. | :06:16. | |
you are vaccinated with BCG. you are vaccinated with BCG. | :06:16. | :06:17. | |
you are vaccinated with BCG. you are vaccinated with BCG. | :06:17. | :06:20. | |
diva test needs to be tried on a diva test needs to be tried on a | :06:20. | :06:21. | |
diva test needs to be tried on a working farm. That trial is also | :06:21. | :06:22. | |
working farm. That trial is also prevented by the European | :06:22. | :06:29. | |
prevented by the European prevented by the European | :06:29. | :06:30. | |
vaccination plan. At the moment, it vaccination plan. At the moment, it | :06:30. | :06:31. | |
vaccination plan. At the moment, it is illegal to vaccinate cattle and | :06:31. | :06:32. | |
is illegal to vaccinate cattle and is illegal to vaccinate cattle and | :06:32. | :06:33. | |
yet in order to reassure Europe yet in order to reassure Europe | :06:33. | :06:34. | |
yet in order to reassure Europe that our tests are sensitive, we | :06:34. | :06:35. | |
that our tests are sensitive, we that our tests are sensitive, we | :06:35. | :06:39. | |
that our tests are sensitive, we need to do field trials. But whilst | :06:39. | :06:40. | |
need to do field trials. But whilst need to do field trials. But whilst | :06:40. | :06:41. | |
there is a block on vaccinating there is a block on vaccinating | :06:41. | :06:43. | |
there is a block on vaccinating cattle, we can vaccinate badgers. | :06:43. | :06:44. | |
cattle, we can vaccinate badgers. cattle, we can vaccinate badgers. | :06:44. | :06:45. | |
cattle, we can vaccinate badgers. It is already being done in Wales, | :06:45. | :06:47. | |
It is already being done in Wales, Devon and Gloucestershire. Results | :06:47. | :06:50. | |
Devon and Gloucestershire. Results Devon and Gloucestershire. Results | :06:50. | :06:50. | |
are promising. It does not cure are promising. It does not cure | :06:50. | :06:51. | |
are promising. It does not cure are promising. It does not cure | :06:51. | :06:52. | |
badgers with TB and it is not 100% badgers with TB and it is not 100% | :06:53. | :06:53. | |
badgers with TB and it is not 100% effective, but it does reduce the | :06:53. | :07:01. | |
effective, but it does reduce the effective, but it does reduce the | :07:01. | :07:02. | |
effective, but it does reduce the disease by almost 75%. So, what is | :07:02. | :07:04. | |
disease by almost 75%. So, what is disease by almost 75%. So, what is | :07:04. | :07:04. | |
the Government's waiting for? I the Government's waiting for? I | :07:04. | :07:05. | |
the Government's waiting for? I went to ask the agriculture | :07:05. | :07:09. | |
went to ask the agriculture went to ask the agriculture | :07:09. | :07:10. | |
minister himself. I think we have minister himself. I think we have | :07:10. | :07:11. | |
minister himself. I think we have minister himself. I think we have | :07:11. | :07:12. | |
got to take into account that we got to take into account that we | :07:12. | :07:13. | |
got to take into account that we have an extremely serious disease | :07:13. | :07:14. | |
have an extremely serious disease have an extremely serious disease | :07:14. | :07:15. | |
affecting cattle across the country. affecting cattle across the country. | :07:15. | :07:16. | |
affecting cattle across the country. It is affecting the wild badger | :07:16. | :07:18. | |
It is affecting the wild badger It is affecting the wild badger | :07:18. | :07:19. | |
It is affecting the wild badger population as well. We need to bear | :07:19. | :07:19. | |
population as well. We need to bear population as well. We need to bear | :07:19. | :07:20. | |
population as well. We need to bear down on that disease and all the | :07:20. | :07:21. | |
down on that disease and all the down on that disease and all the | :07:21. | :07:22. | |
down on that disease and all the evidence is that you cannot get rid | :07:22. | :07:23. | |
evidence is that you cannot get rid evidence is that you cannot get rid | :07:23. | :07:24. | |
evidence is that you cannot get rid of TB, or even stop the spread of | :07:24. | :07:25. | |
of TB, or even stop the spread of of TB, or even stop the spread of | :07:25. | :07:26. | |
of TB, or even stop the spread of TB in cattle unless you deal with | :07:26. | :07:27. | |
TB in cattle unless you deal with TB in cattle unless you deal with | :07:27. | :07:28. | |
the wildlife sector as well and the wildlife sector as well and | :07:28. | :07:29. | |
the wildlife sector as well and the wildlife sector as well and | :07:29. | :07:30. | |
that is why we have to do something that is why we have to do something | :07:30. | :07:38. | |
that is why we have to do something about the badger population. What | :07:38. | :07:39. | |
about the badger population. What about the badger population. What | :07:39. | :07:42. | |
is your view on badger vaccination? is your view on badger vaccination? | :07:42. | :07:43. | |
is your view on badger vaccination? is your view on badger vaccination? | :07:43. | :07:43. | |
If we can develop an an oral If we can develop an an oral | :07:43. | :07:44. | |
If we can develop an an oral vaccination, if that is available | :07:44. | :07:45. | |
vaccination, if that is available vaccination, if that is available | :07:45. | :07:46. | |
vaccination, if that is available to us, then we think that that | :07:46. | :07:47. | |
to us, then we think that that to us, then we think that that | :07:47. | :07:48. | |
might be an easier way of might be an easier way of | :07:48. | :07:54. | |
might be an easier way of administering a vaccine to badgers. | :07:54. | :07:55. | |
administering a vaccine to badgers. administering a vaccine to badgers. | :07:55. | :07:56. | |
administering a vaccine to badgers. But let me stress again, it is part | :07:56. | :07:57. | |
But let me stress again, it is part But let me stress again, it is part | :07:57. | :07:58. | |
But let me stress again, it is part of the solution, but it is not a | :07:58. | :08:02. | |
of the solution, but it is not a of the solution, but it is not a | :08:02. | :08:02. | |
whole solution. On to cattle whole solution. On to cattle | :08:03. | :08:04. | |
whole solution. On to cattle whole solution. On to cattle | :08:04. | :08:04. | |
vaccination - the BCG and diva test vaccination - the BCG and diva test | :08:04. | :08:09. | |
vaccination - the BCG and diva test vaccination - the BCG and diva test | :08:09. | :08:10. | |
are in for licensing. We seem to be are in for licensing. We seem to be | :08:10. | :08:11. | |
are in for licensing. We seem to be are in for licensing. We seem to be | :08:11. | :08:13. | |
in a good position. Where do you in a good position. Where do you | :08:13. | :08:14. | |
in a good position. Where do you in a good position. Where do you | :08:14. | :08:15. | |
see it? At the moment, it is see it? At the moment, it is | :08:15. | :08:16. | |
see it? At the moment, it is see it? At the moment, it is | :08:16. | :08:17. | |
illegal even to test it without a illegal even to test it without a | :08:17. | :08:18. | |
illegal even to test it without a special dispensation. That is why | :08:18. | :08:18. | |
special dispensation. That is why special dispensation. That is why | :08:19. | :08:19. | |
special dispensation. That is why we are going to the European Union | :08:19. | :08:23. | |
we are going to the European Union we are going to the European Union | :08:23. | :08:24. | |
Commission. We had a very useful Commission. We had a very useful | :08:24. | :08:27. | |
conversation recently with the conversation recently with the | :08:27. | :08:28. | |
conversation recently with the relevant commissioner. He has come | :08:28. | :08:29. | |
relevant commissioner. He has come relevant commissioner. He has come | :08:29. | :08:30. | |
relevant commissioner. He has come back with some proposals as to how | :08:30. | :08:31. | |
back with some proposals as to how back with some proposals as to how | :08:31. | :08:31. | |
back with some proposals as to how we could take this forward in an | :08:32. | :08:34. | |
we could take this forward in an we could take this forward in an | :08:34. | :08:35. | |
we could take this forward in an effective way. We are very keen to | :08:35. | :08:37. | |
effective way. We are very keen to effective way. We are very keen to | :08:37. | :08:38. | |
effective way. We are very keen to do that. That is the good news. The | :08:38. | :08:39. | |
do that. That is the good news. The do that. That is the good news. The | :08:39. | :08:40. | |
do that. That is the good news. The bad news is that it is a long | :08:40. | :08:41. | |
bad news is that it is a long bad news is that it is a long | :08:41. | :08:42. | |
timescale. He estimates it will timescale. He estimates it will | :08:42. | :08:43. | |
timescale. He estimates it will timescale. He estimates it will | :08:43. | :08:44. | |
take about 10 years before we are take about 10 years before we are | :08:44. | :08:45. | |
take about 10 years before we are take about 10 years before we are | :08:45. | :08:55. | |
:08:55. | :08:59. | ||
able to use a vaccine on cattle in So, some answers and potentially | :08:59. | :09:00. | |
So, some answers and potentially So, some answers and potentially | :09:01. | :09:01. | |
some progress. The government here some progress. The government here | :09:01. | :09:03. | |
some progress. The government here some progress. The government here | :09:03. | :09:03. | |
some progress. The government here is saying that the EU has set up a | :09:03. | :09:04. | |
is saying that the EU has set up a timeline for when cattle | :09:04. | :09:06. | |
timeline for when cattle vaccination might be acceptable. | :09:06. | :09:07. | |
vaccination might be acceptable. vaccination might be acceptable. | :09:08. | :09:09. | |
vaccination might be acceptable. But even if all the steps in this | :09:09. | :09:09. | |
But even if all the steps in this But even if all the steps in this | :09:09. | :09:10. | |
But even if all the steps in this plan are met, we are still talking | :09:10. | :09:11. | |
plan are met, we are still talking plan are met, we are still talking | :09:11. | :09:13. | |
several years before it could several years before it could | :09:13. | :09:14. | |
several years before it could happen. It is a frustrating | :09:14. | :09:15. | |
happen. It is a frustrating situation, especially for the | :09:15. | :09:16. | |
situation, especially for the situation, especially for the | :09:16. | :09:17. | |
farmers left fighting the disease farmers left fighting the disease | :09:17. | :09:21. | |
farmers left fighting the disease on the frontline. We cannot wait | :09:21. | :09:22. | |
on the frontline. We cannot wait on the frontline. We cannot wait | :09:22. | :09:23. | |
that long, neither can the next that long, neither can the next | :09:23. | :09:27. | |
generation. The situation is generation. The situation is | :09:27. | :09:28. | |
generation. The situation is generation. The situation is | :09:28. | :09:28. | |
getting worse. It is more of a getting worse. It is more of a | :09:28. | :09:29. | |
getting worse. It is more of a getting worse. It is more of a | :09:30. | :09:30. | |
problem now than it was seven or problem now than it was seven or | :09:30. | :09:31. | |
problem now than it was seven or problem now than it was seven or | :09:31. | :09:32. | |
eight years ago. We are not making eight years ago. We are not making | :09:32. | :09:33. | |
eight years ago. We are not making progress and it is something we | :09:33. | :09:40. | |
progress and it is something we need to tackle now. | :09:40. | :09:41. | |
need to tackle now. need to tackle now. | :09:41. | :09:41. | |
need to tackle now. You can talk was right now on | :09:42. | :09:44. | |
You can talk was right now on You can talk was right now on | :09:45. | :09:49. | |
Twitter. You can also e-mail me Twitter. You can also e-mail me | :09:50. | :09:53. | |
Twitter. You can also e-mail me direct. Still to come tonight: | :09:53. | :09:54. | |
direct. Still to come tonight: direct. Still to come tonight: | :09:54. | :09:54. | |
Shropshire's most famous boxer on Shropshire's most famous boxer on | :09:55. | :09:55. | |
Shropshire's most famous boxer on the trail of the county's forgotten | :09:55. | :10:00. | |
the trail of the county's forgotten the trail of the county's forgotten | :10:00. | :10:01. | |
fighter. So, in your opinion, what fighter. So, in your opinion, what | :10:01. | :10:02. | |
fighter. So, in your opinion, what fighter. So, in your opinion, what | :10:02. | :10:02. | |
are my chances of finding out more are my chances of finding out more | :10:03. | :10:05. | |
are my chances of finding out more are my chances of finding out more | :10:05. | :10:06. | |
about Billy Evans. It really is not about Billy Evans. It really is not | :10:06. | :10:08. | |
about Billy Evans. It really is not about Billy Evans. It really is not | :10:08. | :10:09. | |
going to be easy. I think you will going to be easy. I think you will | :10:09. | :10:10. | |
going to be easy. I think you will have to find some living relative | :10:10. | :10:11. | |
have to find some living relative have to find some living relative | :10:11. | :10:12. | |
have to find some living relative who will be able to paint a more | :10:12. | :10:13. | |
who will be able to paint a more who will be able to paint a more | :10:13. | :10:19. | |
complete picture of the man. There complete picture of the man. There | :10:19. | :10:20. | |
complete picture of the man. There are officially 175,000 young people | :10:20. | :10:21. | |
are officially 175,000 young people are officially 175,000 young people | :10:21. | :10:22. | |
across the UK providing unpaid care across the UK providing unpaid care | :10:22. | :10:26. | |
across the UK providing unpaid care across the UK providing unpaid care | :10:26. | :10:26. | |
to a family member. It is thought to a family member. It is thought | :10:26. | :10:27. | |
to a family member. It is thought the actual number could be four | :10:27. | :10:28. | |
the actual number could be four the actual number could be four | :10:28. | :10:29. | |
times higher with many unpaid times higher with many unpaid | :10:29. | :10:31. | |
times higher with many unpaid carers unwilling to ask for help. | :10:31. | :10:32. | |
carers unwilling to ask for help. carers unwilling to ask for help. | :10:32. | :10:35. | |
carers unwilling to ask for help. So how do they cope? Jim Davis has | :10:35. | :10:45. | |
:10:45. | :10:55. | ||
Looking after a loved one comes Looking after a loved one comes | :10:55. | :10:55. | |
Looking after a loved one comes naturally to children. For some, | :10:56. | :10:57. | |
naturally to children. For some, naturally to children. For some, | :10:57. | :10:58. | |
caring for brothers and sisters, caring for brothers and sisters, | :10:58. | :10:58. | |
caring for brothers and sisters, caring for brothers and sisters, | :10:58. | :10:59. | |
mums and dads, is a full time job. mums and dads, is a full time job. | :10:59. | :11:00. | |
mums and dads, is a full time job. mums and dads, is a full time job. | :11:00. | :11:01. | |
But many are too scared to tell But many are too scared to tell | :11:01. | :11:02. | |
But many are too scared to tell people what they do. Worried | :11:02. | :11:03. | |
people what they do. Worried people what they do. Worried | :11:03. | :11:13. | |
:11:13. | :11:15. | ||
they'll be judged, bullied or they'll be judged, bullied or | :11:15. | :11:16. | |
they'll be judged, bullied or humiliated. They might talk behind | :11:16. | :11:16. | |
humiliated. They might talk behind humiliated. They might talk behind | :11:17. | :11:17. | |
humiliated. They might talk behind my back, so I'd rather not tell | :11:17. | :11:18. | |
my back, so I'd rather not tell my back, so I'd rather not tell | :11:18. | :11:19. | |
them about Reece and then they them about Reece and then they | :11:19. | :11:20. | |
them about Reece and then they them about Reece and then they | :11:20. | :11:21. | |
them about Reece and then they might not do it so I just keep it | :11:21. | :11:22. | |
might not do it so I just keep it might not do it so I just keep it | :11:22. | :11:23. | |
might not do it so I just keep it to myself. There are people on this | :11:23. | :11:24. | |
to myself. There are people on this to myself. There are people on this | :11:24. | :11:25. | |
to myself. There are people on this street, say no names, but they have | :11:25. | :11:26. | |
street, say no names, but they have street, say no names, but they have | :11:26. | :11:27. | |
street, say no names, but they have been so evil to us. Some deal with | :11:27. | :11:28. | |
been so evil to us. Some deal with been so evil to us. Some deal with | :11:28. | :11:35. | |
the pressure by harming themselves. the pressure by harming themselves. | :11:35. | :11:36. | |
the pressure by harming themselves. These were mainly done with razor | :11:36. | :11:37. | |
These were mainly done with razor These were mainly done with razor | :11:37. | :11:38. | |
These were mainly done with razor blades, dug in with the corner, I | :11:38. | :11:39. | |
blades, dug in with the corner, I blades, dug in with the corner, I | :11:39. | :11:43. | |
think there was a screwdriver at think there was a screwdriver at | :11:44. | :11:44. | |
think there was a screwdriver at think there was a screwdriver at | :11:45. | :11:45. | |
one point. But now there's a group one point. But now there's a group | :11:45. | :11:46. | |
one point. But now there's a group of young carers in Leicester who've | :11:46. | :11:47. | |
of young carers in Leicester who've had enough. They're getting | :11:47. | :11:48. | |
had enough. They're getting had enough. They're getting | :11:48. | :11:52. | |
together to support each other. I together to support each other. I | :11:52. | :11:53. | |
together to support each other. I together to support each other. I | :11:53. | :11:54. | |
want to know what it is like for want to know what it is like for | :11:54. | :11:55. | |
want to know what it is like for these young carers. What sort of | :11:55. | :11:56. | |
these young carers. What sort of these young carers. What sort of | :11:56. | :11:57. | |
burdens they are carrying and what burdens they are carrying and what | :11:57. | :11:58. | |
burdens they are carrying and what burdens they are carrying and what | :11:58. | :12:07. | |
sort of help is out there for them. sort of help is out there for them. | :12:07. | :12:08. | |
sort of help is out there for them. sort of help is out there for them. | :12:08. | :12:08. | |
Jhon is 13 years old and looks Jhon is 13 years old and looks | :12:08. | :12:09. | |
Jhon is 13 years old and looks after his deaf and disabled mother. | :12:09. | :12:10. | |
after his deaf and disabled mother. after his deaf and disabled mother. | :12:10. | :12:11. | |
How long have you had the How long have you had the | :12:11. | :12:12. | |
How long have you had the condition? I was born with | :12:12. | :12:13. | |
condition? I was born with condition? I was born with | :12:13. | :12:14. | |
osteogenesis and I've probably been osteogenesis and I've probably been | :12:14. | :12:15. | |
osteogenesis and I've probably been osteogenesis and I've probably been | :12:15. | :12:16. | |
going deaf since I was about six. going deaf since I was about six. | :12:16. | :12:17. | |
going deaf since I was about six. going deaf since I was about six. | :12:17. | :12:17. | |
Jhon has always been there for his Jhon has always been there for his | :12:17. | :12:18. | |
Jhon has always been there for his Jhon has always been there for his | :12:18. | :12:19. | |
mum, but he has found that very few mum, but he has found that very few | :12:19. | :12:20. | |
mum, but he has found that very few mum, but he has found that very few | :12:20. | :12:21. | |
people have been there for him. people have been there for him. | :12:21. | :12:22. | |
people have been there for him. awareness in the community, places | :12:22. | :12:23. | |
awareness in the community, places like schools, hospitals, things | :12:23. | :12:24. | |
like schools, hospitals, things like schools, hospitals, things | :12:24. | :12:25. | |
like that, do not understand what like that, do not understand what | :12:25. | :12:26. | |
like that, do not understand what like that, do not understand what | :12:26. | :12:33. | |
young carers are and what they do. young carers are and what they do. | :12:33. | :12:34. | |
young carers are and what they do. John has got the same medical | :12:34. | :12:35. | |
John has got the same medical John has got the same medical | :12:35. | :12:36. | |
condition as his mother and cannot condition as his mother and cannot | :12:36. | :12:37. | |
condition as his mother and cannot walk far without using a wheelchair | :12:37. | :12:38. | |
walk far without using a wheelchair walk far without using a wheelchair | :12:38. | :12:39. | |
himself. Despite this, he has been himself. Despite this, he has been | :12:39. | :12:40. | |
himself. Despite this, he has been himself. Despite this, he has been | :12:40. | :12:41. | |
helping his dad to care for her helping his dad to care for her | :12:41. | :12:42. | |
helping his dad to care for her helping his dad to care for her | :12:42. | :12:47. | |
since he was only five years old. since he was only five years old. | :12:47. | :12:48. | |
since he was only five years old. When people are sort of moaning | :12:48. | :12:49. | |
When people are sort of moaning When people are sort of moaning | :12:49. | :12:50. | |
about something, you do think, that about something, you do think, that | :12:50. | :12:51. | |
about something, you do think, that is insignificant in the real world, | :12:51. | :12:52. | |
is insignificant in the real world, is insignificant in the real world, | :12:52. | :12:53. | |
why don't you try having these why don't you try having these | :12:53. | :12:54. | |
why don't you try having these why don't you try having these | :12:54. | :12:55. | |
things to deal with and then see if things to deal with and then see if | :12:55. | :12:56. | |
things to deal with and then see if things to deal with and then see if | :12:56. | :12:57. | |
that little thing means so much to that little thing means so much to | :12:57. | :13:01. | |
you to moan about. you to moan about. | :13:01. | :13:03. | |
you to moan about. you to moan about. | :13:03. | :13:04. | |
I am immensely proud. There is not I am immensely proud. There is not | :13:04. | :13:05. | |
I am immensely proud. There is not I am immensely proud. There is not | :13:05. | :13:05. | |
I am immensely proud. There is not a word, I tried to find a word to | :13:05. | :13:06. | |
a word, I tried to find a word to a word, I tried to find a word to | :13:06. | :13:07. | |
a word, I tried to find a word to say what he makes me feel like and | :13:07. | :13:11. | |
say what he makes me feel like and say what he makes me feel like and | :13:11. | :13:11. | |
there isn't one. Jhon's experiences there isn't one. Jhon's experiences | :13:11. | :13:12. | |
there isn't one. Jhon's experiences there isn't one. Jhon's experiences | :13:13. | :13:22. | |
:13:23. | :13:26. | ||
have made him determined to make a It is Saturday morning and Jhon is | :13:26. | :13:27. | |
It is Saturday morning and Jhon is It is Saturday morning and Jhon is | :13:27. | :13:28. | |
meeting other young carers at the meeting other young carers at the | :13:28. | :13:30. | |
Watershed Community Centre in Watershed Community Centre in | :13:30. | :13:31. | |
Watershed Community Centre in Leicester. They have set up a | :13:31. | :13:41. | |
:13:41. | :13:42. | ||
Leicester. They have set up a We are getting a lot of young | :13:42. | :13:43. | |
We are getting a lot of young people enquiring about Labelled, | :13:43. | :13:44. | |
people enquiring about Labelled, people enquiring about Labelled, | :13:44. | :13:54. | |
:13:54. | :13:54. | ||
even enquiring about what young Jhon is one of the founding members | :13:54. | :13:55. | |
Jhon is one of the founding members Jhon is one of the founding members | :13:55. | :13:56. | |
along with 20-year-old Lotte who along with 20-year-old Lotte who | :13:56. | :13:57. | |
along with 20-year-old Lotte who along with 20-year-old Lotte who | :13:57. | :13:58. | |
was plunged into caring for her dad was plunged into caring for her dad | :13:58. | :13:58. | |
was plunged into caring for her dad after he suffered a nervous | :13:58. | :14:02. | |
after he suffered a nervous after he suffered a nervous | :14:02. | :14:02. | |
breakdown ten years ago. What breakdown ten years ago. What | :14:03. | :14:03. | |
breakdown ten years ago. What Labelled is about is empowering | :14:03. | :14:06. | |
Labelled is about is empowering Labelled is about is empowering | :14:06. | :14:07. | |
Labelled is about is empowering young carers. What we do not do is | :14:07. | :14:08. | |
young carers. What we do not do is young carers. What we do not do is | :14:08. | :14:09. | |
come in and take those come in and take those | :14:09. | :14:10. | |
come in and take those responsibilities away. And a lot of | :14:10. | :14:11. | |
responsibilities away. And a lot of responsibilities away. And a lot of | :14:11. | :14:12. | |
responsibilities away. And a lot of young carers do not want us to take | :14:12. | :14:14. | |
young carers do not want us to take young carers do not want us to take | :14:14. | :14:14. | |
that responsibility. What they want that responsibility. What they want | :14:14. | :14:17. | |
that responsibility. What they want is support to do it themselves. | :14:17. | :14:18. | |
is support to do it themselves. is support to do it themselves. | :14:18. | :14:19. | |
But recognising you are a young But recognising you are a young | :14:19. | :14:20. | |
But recognising you are a young carer is one of the biggest | :14:20. | :14:24. | |
carer is one of the biggest carer is one of the biggest | :14:24. | :14:25. | |
challenges. A lot of the carers challenges. A lot of the carers | :14:25. | :14:26. | |
challenges. A lot of the carers that have actually come here only | :14:26. | :14:27. | |
that have actually come here only that have actually come here only | :14:27. | :14:28. | |
that have actually come here only realise that they a carer when they | :14:28. | :14:29. | |
realise that they a carer when they realise that they a carer when they | :14:29. | :14:30. | |
came here. We have had some came here. We have had some | :14:30. | :14:31. | |
came here. We have had some volunteers come along and after | :14:31. | :14:32. | |
volunteers come along and after volunteers come along and after | :14:32. | :14:33. | |
speaking to them, they are like, speaking to them, they are like, | :14:33. | :14:37. | |
speaking to them, they are like, "Oh. I'm a carer." Yes. | :14:37. | :14:38. | |
"Oh. I'm a carer." Yes. "Oh. I'm a carer." Yes. | :14:38. | :14:39. | |
"Oh. I'm a carer." Yes. One of the people they are helping | :14:39. | :14:41. | |
One of the people they are helping One of the people they are helping | :14:41. | :14:41. | |
One of the people they are helping is Jasmin. She has been coming to | :14:41. | :14:42. | |
is Jasmin. She has been coming to is Jasmin. She has been coming to | :14:42. | :14:46. | |
Labelled since her dad died three Labelled since her dad died three | :14:46. | :14:47. | |
Labelled since her dad died three months ago. Jasmin lives with her | :14:47. | :14:48. | |
months ago. Jasmin lives with her months ago. Jasmin lives with her | :14:48. | :14:49. | |
sister Kirsty and mum Julie who sister Kirsty and mum Julie who | :14:49. | :14:52. | |
sister Kirsty and mum Julie who suffers from depression. She had | :14:52. | :14:53. | |
suffers from depression. She had suffers from depression. She had | :14:53. | :14:53. | |
suffers from depression. She had been helping to care for her dad | :14:53. | :14:54. | |
been helping to care for her dad been helping to care for her dad | :14:54. | :14:55. | |
since she first learned to walk. since she first learned to walk. | :14:55. | :14:56. | |
since she first learned to walk. since she first learned to walk. | :14:56. | :14:57. | |
He'd had a disease of the spine He'd had a disease of the spine | :14:57. | :14:59. | |
which severely affected his which severely affected his | :14:59. | :15:00. | |
which severely affected his mobility. One morning he collapsed | :15:00. | :15:01. | |
mobility. One morning he collapsed mobility. One morning he collapsed | :15:01. | :15:02. | |
mobility. One morning he collapsed in agony at home. Jasmin gave him | :15:02. | :15:03. | |
in agony at home. Jasmin gave him in agony at home. Jasmin gave him | :15:03. | :15:03. | |
CPR until the paramedics arrived, CPR until the paramedics arrived, | :15:03. | :15:05. | |
CPR until the paramedics arrived, CPR until the paramedics arrived, | :15:05. | :15:06. | |
CPR until the paramedics arrived, but it was too late. He died from a | :15:06. | :15:07. | |
but it was too late. He died from a but it was too late. He died from a | :15:07. | :15:11. | |
blood clot on the lungs. blood clot on the lungs. | :15:11. | :15:12. | |
blood clot on the lungs. The paramedics said he had gone, | :15:12. | :15:13. | |
The paramedics said he had gone, The paramedics said he had gone, | :15:13. | :15:14. | |
The paramedics said he had gone, she just fell to the floor, we just | :15:14. | :15:17. | |
she just fell to the floor, we just she just fell to the floor, we just | :15:17. | :15:21. | |
cried together. It was horrible. I cried together. It was horrible. I | :15:22. | :15:23. | |
cried together. It was horrible. I wish he was here now. | :15:23. | :15:24. | |
wish he was here now. wish he was here now. | :15:24. | :15:25. | |
wish he was here now. Jasmin is doing her best to help | :15:25. | :15:30. | |
Jasmin is doing her best to help her mum through this. | :15:30. | :15:31. | |
her mum through this. her mum through this. | :15:31. | :15:32. | |
her mum through this. Mum doesn't like to sleep on her | :15:32. | :15:35. | |
Mum doesn't like to sleep on her Mum doesn't like to sleep on her | :15:35. | :15:36. | |
Mum doesn't like to sleep on her own at the minute. I guess that is | :15:36. | :15:37. | |
own at the minute. I guess that is own at the minute. I guess that is | :15:37. | :15:38. | |
partly because of everything that partly because of everything that | :15:38. | :15:39. | |
partly because of everything that partly because of everything that | :15:39. | :15:39. | |
is going through her mind and also is going through her mind and also | :15:39. | :15:40. | |
is going through her mind and also is going through her mind and also | :15:41. | :15:41. | |
the fact that she is so used to the fact that she is so used to | :15:41. | :15:42. | |
the fact that she is so used to the fact that she is so used to | :15:42. | :15:43. | |
having somebody next to her that it having somebody next to her that it | :15:43. | :15:47. | |
having somebody next to her that it having somebody next to her that it | :15:47. | :15:48. | |
is a comfort thing. She has been is a comfort thing. She has been | :15:48. | :15:49. | |
is a comfort thing. She has been is a comfort thing. She has been | :15:49. | :15:49. | |
left to manage her mum who suffers left to manage her mum who suffers | :15:49. | :15:50. | |
left to manage her mum who suffers from bipolar, a mental health | :15:50. | :15:51. | |
from bipolar, a mental health from bipolar, a mental health | :15:51. | :15:52. | |
condition that means she can either condition that means she can either | :15:52. | :15:59. | |
condition that means she can either There's times when I sort of feel | :15:59. | :16:01. | |
There's times when I sort of feel There's times when I sort of feel | :16:01. | :16:01. | |
There's times when I sort of feel There's times when I sort of feel | :16:01. | :16:02. | |
that I want to go out and see my that I want to go out and see my | :16:02. | :16:03. | |
that I want to go out and see my that I want to go out and see my | :16:03. | :16:04. | |
friends but I do not feel I can friends but I do not feel I can | :16:04. | :16:05. | |
friends but I do not feel I can friends but I do not feel I can | :16:05. | :16:06. | |
because I want to be watching my because I want to be watching my | :16:06. | :16:07. | |
because I want to be watching my because I want to be watching my | :16:07. | :16:08. | |
mum, making sure she is OK and everything. | :16:08. | :16:09. | |
everything. everything. | :16:09. | :16:10. | |
everything. To top it all, they are now having | :16:10. | :16:12. | |
To top it all, they are now having To top it all, they are now having | :16:12. | :16:13. | |
To top it all, they are now having to move home. The council need the | :16:13. | :16:14. | |
to move home. The council need the to move home. The council need the | :16:14. | :16:15. | |
adapted house back for someone else adapted house back for someone else | :16:15. | :16:21. | |
If you believe the official figures, If you believe the official figures, | :16:21. | :16:22. | |
If you believe the official figures, there are around 175,000 children | :16:22. | :16:23. | |
there are around 175,000 children there are around 175,000 children | :16:23. | :16:23. | |
there are around 175,000 children who provide unpaid care to a family | :16:23. | :16:25. | |
who provide unpaid care to a family who provide unpaid care to a family | :16:25. | :16:26. | |
who provide unpaid care to a family member in the UK. But a survey by | :16:26. | :16:27. | |
member in the UK. But a survey by member in the UK. But a survey by | :16:27. | :16:28. | |
member in the UK. But a survey by the BBC found the actual number is | :16:28. | :16:29. | |
the BBC found the actual number is the BBC found the actual number is | :16:29. | :16:30. | |
the BBC found the actual number is four times that because so many do | :16:30. | :16:31. | |
four times that because so many do four times that because so many do | :16:31. | :16:41. | |
:16:41. | :16:53. | ||
Reece has got ADHD, autism, mild Reece has got ADHD, autism, mild | :16:53. | :17:02. | |
brain damage, global developmental He has non-epileptic fits, he is an | :17:02. | :17:03. | |
He has non-epileptic fits, he is an He has non-epileptic fits, he is an | :17:03. | :17:04. | |
asthmatic, he has got allergies, he asthmatic, he has got allergies, he | :17:04. | :17:11. | |
asthmatic, he has got allergies, he suffers from chest infections. The | :17:11. | :17:12. | |
suffers from chest infections. The suffers from chest infections. The | :17:12. | :17:13. | |
suffers from chest infections. The fight that child has got in him | :17:13. | :17:17. | |
fight that child has got in him does actually surprised me. | :17:17. | :17:18. | |
does actually surprised me. does actually surprised me. | :17:18. | :17:19. | |
does actually surprised me. Kylie is 13 and juggles school life | :17:19. | :17:20. | |
Kylie is 13 and juggles school life Kylie is 13 and juggles school life | :17:20. | :17:22. | |
with looking after her brother. She with looking after her brother. She | :17:22. | :17:23. | |
with looking after her brother. She with looking after her brother. She | :17:23. | :17:24. | |
tries to keep it secret because she tries to keep it secret because she | :17:24. | :17:25. | |
tries to keep it secret because she has been bullied by other children | :17:25. | :17:26. | |
has been bullied by other children has been bullied by other children | :17:26. | :17:27. | |
has been bullied by other children in the past. Is that good? Do you | :17:27. | :17:29. | |
like that? like that? | :17:29. | :17:30. | |
like that? The judgements they make, like they | :17:30. | :17:31. | |
The judgements they make, like they The judgements they make, like they | :17:31. | :17:32. | |
The judgements they make, like they might talk behind my back, so I | :17:32. | :17:33. | |
might talk behind my back, so I might talk behind my back, so I | :17:33. | :17:34. | |
would rather not tell them about would rather not tell them about | :17:34. | :17:35. | |
would rather not tell them about would rather not tell them about | :17:35. | :17:36. | |
Reece and then they might not do it. Reece and then they might not do it. | :17:36. | :17:38. | |
Reece and then they might not do it. I just keep it to myself. | :17:38. | :17:39. | |
I just keep it to myself. I just keep it to myself. | :17:39. | :17:40. | |
I just keep it to myself. At one point, I could not have done | :17:40. | :17:42. | |
At one point, I could not have done At one point, I could not have done | :17:42. | :17:42. | |
this without Kylie because I had this without Kylie because I had | :17:42. | :17:43. | |
this without Kylie because I had this without Kylie because I had | :17:44. | :17:51. | |
been ill myself, I could not have Put your hand on to the wrist, your | :17:51. | :17:52. | |
Put your hand on to the wrist, your Put your hand on to the wrist, your | :17:52. | :17:53. | |
Put your hand on to the wrist, your thumb extended onto the back of the | :17:53. | :17:55. | |
hand. hand. | :17:55. | :17:56. | |
hand. Tonight, Labelled is running a | :17:56. | :17:56. | |
Tonight, Labelled is running a Tonight, Labelled is running a | :17:57. | :17:57. | |
self-defence class and they have self-defence class and they have | :17:57. | :17:58. | |
self-defence class and they have invited some people who could help | :17:58. | :17:59. | |
invited some people who could help invited some people who could help | :17:59. | :18:00. | |
the group in the future. Cheryl the group in the future. Cheryl | :18:00. | :18:01. | |
the group in the future. Cheryl O'Neill is head of Leicester City | :18:01. | :18:02. | |
O'Neill is head of Leicester City O'Neill is head of Leicester City | :18:02. | :18:03. | |
Council's family services and Nikky Council's family services and Nikky | :18:03. | :18:06. | |
Thompson is from Barnardos. Thompson is from Barnardos. | :18:06. | :18:16. | |
:18:16. | :18:18. | ||
Thompson is from Barnardos. Cheryl, are you glad you came down | :18:18. | :18:24. | |
tonight? tonight? | :18:24. | :18:25. | |
tonight? tonight? | :18:25. | :18:26. | |
Very glad. It is really good to see Very glad. It is really good to see | :18:27. | :18:27. | |
Very glad. It is really good to see the group that they described in | :18:27. | :18:28. | |
the group that they described in the group that they described in | :18:28. | :18:29. | |
action, very positive. And humbling action, very positive. And humbling | :18:29. | :18:30. | |
in many respects. in many respects. | :18:30. | :18:32. | |
in many respects. in many respects. | :18:32. | :18:32. | |
Kylie has also come along. It is Kylie has also come along. It is | :18:32. | :18:33. | |
Kylie has also come along. It is Kylie has also come along. It is | :18:33. | :18:34. | |
the first time she has met the group. | :18:34. | :18:35. | |
group. group. | :18:35. | :18:36. | |
group. What did you learn? A couple of | :18:36. | :18:38. | |
What did you learn? A couple of What did you learn? A couple of | :18:38. | :18:39. | |
moves? Yes.Excellent. Was it moves? Yes.Excellent. Was it | :18:39. | :18:40. | |
moves? Yes.Excellent. Was it moves? Yes.Excellent. Was it | :18:40. | :18:40. | |
tiring, because there is a lot of tiring, because there is a lot of | :18:40. | :18:41. | |
tiring, because there is a lot of physical stuff there? I think I | :18:41. | :18:42. | |
physical stuff there? I think I physical stuff there? I think I | :18:42. | :18:43. | |
physical stuff there? I think I have gained a lot of confidence as | :18:43. | :18:48. | |
have gained a lot of confidence as well. That's fantastic, excellent. | :18:48. | :18:49. | |
well. That's fantastic, excellent. well. That's fantastic, excellent. | :18:49. | :18:52. | |
You've got your own room? Jasmin You've got your own room? Jasmin | :18:52. | :18:53. | |
You've got your own room? Jasmin You've got your own room? Jasmin | :18:53. | :18:54. | |
and her mum and sister have finally and her mum and sister have finally | :18:54. | :18:55. | |
and her mum and sister have finally and her mum and sister have finally | :18:55. | :18:56. | |
been given a new home by the been given a new home by the | :18:56. | :18:57. | |
been given a new home by the council and they are moving in | :18:57. | :19:05. | |
It has been a rough road for these It has been a rough road for these | :19:05. | :19:06. | |
It has been a rough road for these guys but things are starting to | :19:06. | :19:09. | |
guys but things are starting to guys but things are starting to | :19:09. | :19:09. | |
guys but things are starting to look up now. They have got quite a | :19:09. | :19:10. | |
look up now. They have got quite a look up now. They have got quite a | :19:11. | :19:11. | |
look up now. They have got quite a lot of work to do to make this | :19:11. | :19:12. | |
lot of work to do to make this lot of work to do to make this | :19:12. | :19:13. | |
lot of work to do to make this place a home, but with the right | :19:13. | :19:14. | |
place a home, but with the right place a home, but with the right | :19:14. | :19:15. | |
support, I reckon things are going support, I reckon things are going | :19:15. | :19:16. | |
to look up. to look up. | :19:16. | :19:17. | |
to look up. to look up. | :19:17. | :19:18. | |
Now, back in the 1930s, boxer Billy Now, back in the 1930s, boxer Billy | :19:18. | :19:18. | |
Now, back in the 1930s, boxer Billy Evans was known as Shropshire's | :19:19. | :19:22. | |
Evans was known as Shropshire's Evans was known as Shropshire's | :19:22. | :19:23. | |
leading welterweight. But 80 years leading welterweight. But 80 years | :19:23. | :19:24. | |
leading welterweight. But 80 years on, hardly anything is known about | :19:24. | :19:25. | |
on, hardly anything is known about on, hardly anything is known about | :19:25. | :19:26. | |
this forgotten fighter. So just how this forgotten fighter. So just how | :19:26. | :19:27. | |
this forgotten fighter. So just how good was he? Richie Woodhall has | :19:27. | :19:34. | |
good was he? Richie Woodhall has When I became world super | :19:34. | :19:35. | |
When I became world super When I became world super | :19:35. | :19:36. | |
middleweight champion in 1998, I middleweight champion in 1998, I | :19:36. | :19:37. | |
middleweight champion in 1998, I thought I had managed to put | :19:37. | :19:38. | |
thought I had managed to put thought I had managed to put | :19:38. | :19:43. | |
Shropshire firmly on the sporting But I'm not sure I was the first | :19:43. | :19:44. | |
But I'm not sure I was the first But I'm not sure I was the first | :19:44. | :19:45. | |
But I'm not sure I was the first boxer from round here to do that. | :19:45. | :19:46. | |
boxer from round here to do that. boxer from round here to do that. | :19:46. | :19:47. | |
boxer from round here to do that. I have had this poster for seven or | :19:47. | :19:48. | |
I have had this poster for seven or I have had this poster for seven or | :19:48. | :19:49. | |
I have had this poster for seven or eight years, and there is one name | :19:49. | :19:50. | |
eight years, and there is one name eight years, and there is one name | :19:50. | :19:51. | |
eight years, and there is one name that has always intrigued me. It is | :19:51. | :19:52. | |
that has always intrigued me. It is that has always intrigued me. It is | :19:52. | :19:55. | |
this one here. Billy Evans. Why? this one here. Billy Evans. Why? | :19:55. | :19:56. | |
this one here. Billy Evans. Why? Because he was from Wellington, he | :19:56. | :19:57. | |
Because he was from Wellington, he was Shropshire's leading | :19:57. | :19:58. | |
was Shropshire's leading was Shropshire's leading | :19:58. | :19:58. | |
welterweight and this boxing fight, welterweight and this boxing fight, | :19:58. | :19:59. | |
welterweight and this boxing fight, this tournament was, I think, from | :19:59. | :20:08. | |
But I have always been dying to But I have always been dying to | :20:08. | :20:09. | |
But I have always been dying to But I have always been dying to | :20:09. | :20:10. | |
know more. If he was a leading know more. If he was a leading | :20:10. | :20:11. | |
know more. If he was a leading know more. If he was a leading | :20:11. | :20:12. | |
boxer, how come I have never heard boxer, how come I have never heard | :20:12. | :20:13. | |
boxer, how come I have never heard boxer, how come I have never heard | :20:13. | :20:14. | |
of him? The few records I have of him? The few records I have | :20:14. | :20:15. | |
of him? The few records I have of him? The few records I have | :20:15. | :20:17. | |
found suggest he was boxing in the found suggest he was boxing in the | :20:17. | :20:18. | |
found suggest he was boxing in the 1930s. There was also a Buller | :20:18. | :20:19. | |
1930s. There was also a Buller Evans, welterweight champion of | :20:19. | :20:22. | |
Evans, welterweight champion of Evans, welterweight champion of | :20:22. | :20:24. | |
Shropshire. I think that might be Shropshire. I think that might be | :20:24. | :20:25. | |
Shropshire. I think that might be him too. Boxing was different in | :20:25. | :20:26. | |
him too. Boxing was different in him too. Boxing was different in | :20:26. | :20:29. | |
those days. It was much more those days. It was much more | :20:29. | :20:30. | |
those days. It was much more widespread. Variety shows and fairs | :20:30. | :20:33. | |
widespread. Variety shows and fairs staged fights for entertainment. | :20:33. | :20:34. | |
staged fights for entertainment. Travelling boxing booths meant | :20:34. | :20:35. | |
Travelling boxing booths meant Travelling boxing booths meant | :20:35. | :20:36. | |
Travelling boxing booths meant anyone could get in the ring. The | :20:36. | :20:37. | |
anyone could get in the ring. The anyone could get in the ring. The | :20:37. | :20:38. | |
anyone could get in the ring. The country was also in the grip of a | :20:38. | :20:39. | |
country was also in the grip of a country was also in the grip of a | :20:39. | :20:40. | |
depression and men fought just to depression and men fought just to | :20:40. | :20:42. | |
depression and men fought just to depression and men fought just to | :20:42. | :20:43. | |
put food on the table. So who was put food on the table. So who was | :20:43. | :20:49. | |
put food on the table. So who was Miles Templeton is boxing historian | :20:49. | :20:50. | |
Miles Templeton is boxing historian Miles Templeton is boxing historian | :20:50. | :20:54. | |
who holds fight records for over who holds fight records for over | :20:54. | :20:55. | |
who holds fight records for over 36,000 boxers. If anyone can tell | :20:55. | :20:56. | |
36,000 boxers. If anyone can tell 36,000 boxers. If anyone can tell | :20:56. | :20:57. | |
36,000 boxers. If anyone can tell me about boxing in the 1930s, it is | :20:57. | :21:01. | |
me about boxing in the 1930s, it is me about boxing in the 1930s, it is | :21:01. | :21:02. | |
me about boxing in the 1930s, it is going to be him. There were many | :21:02. | :21:03. | |
going to be him. There were many going to be him. There were many | :21:03. | :21:04. | |
going to be him. There were many more boxers, perhaps 10 or 20 times | :21:04. | :21:05. | |
more boxers, perhaps 10 or 20 times more boxers, perhaps 10 or 20 times | :21:05. | :21:05. | |
more boxers, perhaps 10 or 20 times the number that we have today. Lads | :21:06. | :21:06. | |
the number that we have today. Lads were turning professional at | :21:06. | :21:07. | |
were turning professional at were turning professional at | :21:07. | :21:08. | |
were turning professional at perhaps 14 or 15 years old. Which | :21:08. | :21:09. | |
perhaps 14 or 15 years old. Which perhaps 14 or 15 years old. Which | :21:09. | :21:11. | |
certainly is not the case today. certainly is not the case today. | :21:11. | :21:12. | |
certainly is not the case today. certainly is not the case today. | :21:12. | :21:13. | |
They were having a lot of fights They were having a lot of fights | :21:13. | :21:13. | |
They were having a lot of fights and not earning necessarily that | :21:13. | :21:14. | |
and not earning necessarily that and not earning necessarily that | :21:15. | :21:15. | |
much money. In Wellington for much money. In Wellington for | :21:15. | :21:16. | |
much money. In Wellington for instance, in the 1930s, there was | :21:16. | :21:17. | |
instance, in the 1930s, there was instance, in the 1930s, there was | :21:17. | :21:18. | |
instance, in the 1930s, there was boxing at the Town Hall, boxing at | :21:18. | :21:19. | |
boxing at the Town Hall, boxing at boxing at the Town Hall, boxing at | :21:19. | :21:20. | |
boxing at the Town Hall, boxing at Baths Hall, and the Drill Hall and | :21:20. | :21:21. | |
Baths Hall, and the Drill Hall and Baths Hall, and the Drill Hall and | :21:21. | :21:22. | |
also at the football ground. This also at the football ground. This | :21:22. | :21:25. | |
is professional boxing in is professional boxing in | :21:25. | :21:26. | |
is professional boxing in Wellington. What about our boxer, | :21:26. | :21:27. | |
Wellington. What about our boxer, Wellington. What about our boxer, | :21:27. | :21:28. | |
Billy Evans? Have you found out Billy Evans? Have you found out | :21:28. | :21:31. | |
Billy Evans? Have you found out Billy Evans? Have you found out | :21:31. | :21:31. | |
anything about him? I have, yes. I anything about him? I have, yes. I | :21:31. | :21:32. | |
anything about him? I have, yes. I anything about him? I have, yes. I | :21:32. | :21:34. | |
have found a record of him boxing have found a record of him boxing | :21:34. | :21:34. | |
have found a record of him boxing have found a record of him boxing | :21:34. | :21:35. | |
in quite a number of places around in quite a number of places around | :21:35. | :21:36. | |
in quite a number of places around here, including in Wellington. Also | :21:36. | :21:37. | |
here, including in Wellington. Also here, including in Wellington. Also | :21:37. | :21:38. | |
here, including in Wellington. Also at Oreleton Park, in the open air, | :21:38. | :21:43. | |
at Oreleton Park, in the open air, at Oreleton Park, in the open air, | :21:43. | :21:44. | |
at Oreleton Park, in the open air, in the late '30s. Also, he boxed | :21:44. | :21:45. | |
in the late '30s. Also, he boxed in the late '30s. Also, he boxed | :21:45. | :21:46. | |
over in Lincolnshire which is, I over in Lincolnshire which is, I | :21:46. | :21:47. | |
over in Lincolnshire which is, I think, where your poster is from, | :21:47. | :21:48. | |
think, where your poster is from, think, where your poster is from, | :21:48. | :21:49. | |
Spalding. The show at Oreleton Park Spalding. The show at Oreleton Park | :21:49. | :21:50. | |
Spalding. The show at Oreleton Park Spalding. The show at Oreleton Park | :21:50. | :21:51. | |
took place in 1936. I have got the took place in 1936. I have got the | :21:51. | :21:52. | |
took place in 1936. I have got the report here from Boxing News. Here | :21:52. | :21:55. | |
report here from Boxing News. Here report here from Boxing News. Here | :21:56. | :21:56. | |
report here from Boxing News. Here it is. Wellington. And up here is | :21:56. | :21:57. | |
it is. Wellington. And up here is it is. Wellington. And up here is | :21:57. | :21:58. | |
your man Billy, or referred to your man Billy, or referred to | :21:58. | :22:01. | |
your man Billy, or referred to your man Billy, or referred to | :22:01. | :22:02. | |
there as Buller Evans. Is this the there as Buller Evans. Is this the | :22:02. | :22:03. | |
there as Buller Evans. Is this the there as Buller Evans. Is this the | :22:03. | :22:06. | |
same man, yes? I think it is, yes. same man, yes? I think it is, yes. | :22:06. | :22:07. | |
same man, yes? I think it is, yes. same man, yes? I think it is, yes. | :22:07. | :22:07. | |
His name is Billy Evans and he His name is Billy Evans and he | :22:07. | :22:08. | |
His name is Billy Evans and he probably has the nickname Buller | :22:08. | :22:10. | |
probably has the nickname Buller probably has the nickname Buller | :22:10. | :22:11. | |
Evans. Billy Buller Evans rings Evans. Billy Buller Evans rings | :22:11. | :22:12. | |
Evans. Billy Buller Evans rings Evans. Billy Buller Evans rings | :22:12. | :22:13. | |
true. In your opinion, what are my true. In your opinion, what are my | :22:13. | :22:14. | |
true. In your opinion, what are my chances of finding out any more | :22:14. | :22:17. | |
chances of finding out any more chances of finding out any more | :22:17. | :22:18. | |
about Billy Evans? Well, going back about Billy Evans? Well, going back | :22:18. | :22:19. | |
about Billy Evans? Well, going back to old documents, you'll find | :22:19. | :22:20. | |
to old documents, you'll find to old documents, you'll find | :22:20. | :22:21. | |
reference to him, particularly in reference to him, particularly in | :22:21. | :22:23. | |
reference to him, particularly in the library, the old newspapers. | :22:23. | :22:24. | |
the library, the old newspapers. the library, the old newspapers. | :22:24. | :22:25. | |
the library, the old newspapers. There will be reports on him in | :22:25. | :22:30. | |
There will be reports on him in There will be reports on him in | :22:30. | :22:31. | |
There will be reports on him in there. But to make him come alive, | :22:31. | :22:32. | |
there. But to make him come alive, there. But to make him come alive, | :22:32. | :22:33. | |
there. But to make him come alive, I think you will have to find... It | :22:33. | :22:34. | |
I think you will have to find... It I think you will have to find... It | :22:34. | :22:35. | |
I think you will have to find... It is not going to be easy. I think | :22:35. | :22:36. | |
is not going to be easy. I think is not going to be easy. I think | :22:36. | :22:37. | |
is not going to be easy. I think you will have to find some living | :22:37. | :22:38. | |
you will have to find some living you will have to find some living | :22:38. | :22:39. | |
you will have to find some living relative who will be able to paint | :22:39. | :22:40. | |
relative who will be able to paint relative who will be able to paint | :22:40. | :22:41. | |
relative who will be able to paint a more complete picture of the man. | :22:41. | :22:42. | |
a more complete picture of the man. a more complete picture of the man. | :22:42. | :22:42. | |
Billy Buller Evans. He was Billy Buller Evans. He was | :22:42. | :22:43. | |
Billy Buller Evans. He was definitely a boxer. Never heard of | :22:43. | :22:44. | |
him. OK. him. OK. | :22:44. | :22:45. | |
him. OK. him. OK. | :22:45. | :22:46. | |
I think Miles is right. The chances I think Miles is right. The chances | :22:46. | :22:47. | |
I think Miles is right. The chances of finding anything about him or | :22:47. | :22:48. | |
of finding anything about him or of finding anything about him or | :22:48. | :22:49. | |
his family look very slim indeed. his family look very slim indeed. | :22:49. | :22:50. | |
his family look very slim indeed. No-one seems to have heard about | :22:50. | :22:55. | |
So I ask BBC radio Shropshire if So I ask BBC radio Shropshire if | :22:55. | :22:56. | |
So I ask BBC radio Shropshire if So I ask BBC radio Shropshire if | :22:56. | :22:57. | |
they can help me find out anything about him. | :22:57. | :22:58. | |
about him. about him. | :22:58. | :22:59. | |
Our colleagues at BBC Inside Out Our colleagues at BBC Inside Out | :22:59. | :23:00. | |
Our colleagues at BBC Inside Out Our colleagues at BBC Inside Out | :23:00. | :23:01. | |
are doing some research so they can are doing some research so they can | :23:01. | :23:02. | |
are doing some research so they can tell the story of a Shropshire | :23:02. | :23:05. | |
tell the story of a Shropshire tell the story of a Shropshire | :23:05. | :23:05. | |
tell the story of a Shropshire boxer from the 1930s. He was called | :23:05. | :23:08. | |
Billy Evans. Billy Evans. | :23:08. | :23:09. | |
Billy Evans. You will never guess what happens | :23:09. | :23:11. | |
next. next. | :23:11. | :23:12. | |
next. Here's something for you because I | :23:12. | :23:13. | |
Here's something for you because I Here's something for you because I | :23:13. | :23:14. | |
remember that in my mother and remember that in my mother and | :23:14. | :23:15. | |
remember that in my mother and father-in-law's house, they have a | :23:15. | :23:16. | |
father-in-law's house, they have a father-in-law's house, they have a | :23:16. | :23:17. | |
boxing poster, similar to the one boxing poster, similar to the one | :23:17. | :23:21. | |
boxing poster, similar to the one you have described. I phoned my | :23:21. | :23:22. | |
you have described. I phoned my you have described. I phoned my | :23:22. | :23:23. | |
mother-in-law about 15 minutes ago mother-in-law about 15 minutes ago | :23:23. | :23:24. | |
mother-in-law about 15 minutes ago mother-in-law about 15 minutes ago | :23:24. | :23:25. | |
to get her to check if the name to get her to check if the name | :23:25. | :23:27. | |
to get her to check if the name to get her to check if the name | :23:27. | :23:28. | |
Billy Evans was on there. This is Billy Evans was on there. This is | :23:28. | :23:29. | |
Billy Evans was on there. This is from the Drill Hall in Bridgnorth. | :23:29. | :23:30. | |
from the Drill Hall in Bridgnorth. from the Drill Hall in Bridgnorth. | :23:30. | :23:33. | |
Thursday, December the 8th, 1932. Thursday, December the 8th, 1932. | :23:33. | :23:34. | |
Thursday, December the 8th, 1932. Thursday, December the 8th, 1932. | :23:35. | :23:35. | |
It is the original poster and they It is the original poster and they | :23:35. | :23:36. | |
It is the original poster and they It is the original poster and they | :23:36. | :23:37. | |
have had it framed. Billy Evans is have had it framed. Billy Evans is | :23:37. | :23:38. | |
have had it framed. Billy Evans is fighting a six round contest | :23:38. | :23:39. | |
fighting a six round contest fighting a six round contest | :23:39. | :23:40. | |
against Bert Kid Johnson and that against Bert Kid Johnson and that | :23:40. | :23:41. | |
against Bert Kid Johnson and that is her father. My mother-in-law's | :23:41. | :23:43. | |
is her father. My mother-in-law's is her father. My mother-in-law's | :23:43. | :23:44. | |
is her father. My mother-in-law's father. That is... Are you having a | :23:44. | :23:46. | |
father. That is... Are you having a father. That is... Are you having a | :23:46. | :23:46. | |
father. That is... Are you having a laugh? No, I am honestly not having | :23:46. | :23:48. | |
laugh? No, I am honestly not having laugh? No, I am honestly not having | :23:48. | :23:49. | |
laugh? No, I am honestly not having a laugh. I could not believe it | :23:49. | :23:50. | |
a laugh. I could not believe it a laugh. I could not believe it | :23:50. | :23:50. | |
a laugh. I could not believe it either. She came back to the phone | :23:50. | :23:51. | |
either. She came back to the phone either. She came back to the phone | :23:51. | :23:58. | |
and said, "Yes, he's fighting my That was amazing. I really feel I | :23:58. | :23:59. | |
That was amazing. I really feel I That was amazing. I really feel I | :23:59. | :23:59. | |
That was amazing. I really feel I am that close to finding out who | :23:59. | :24:02. | |
am that close to finding out who am that close to finding out who | :24:02. | :24:03. | |
am that close to finding out who this guy was. But it is also | :24:03. | :24:04. | |
this guy was. But it is also this guy was. But it is also | :24:04. | :24:04. | |
frustrating because we still have frustrating because we still have | :24:04. | :24:05. | |
frustrating because we still have not found anyone who actually knew | :24:05. | :24:09. | |
not found anyone who actually knew not found anyone who actually knew | :24:09. | :24:09. | |
not found anyone who actually knew him. So we try tweeting about him | :24:09. | :24:10. | |
him. So we try tweeting about him him. So we try tweeting about him | :24:10. | :24:11. | |
him. So we try tweeting about him as well. Am I ever going to find | :24:11. | :24:12. | |
as well. Am I ever going to find as well. Am I ever going to find | :24:12. | :24:13. | |
as well. Am I ever going to find out who this guy was? Just an hour | :24:13. | :24:14. | |
out who this guy was? Just an hour out who this guy was? Just an hour | :24:14. | :24:15. | |
later, there is a reply from later, there is a reply from | :24:15. | :24:18. | |
later, there is a reply from someone at Wellington News. Could | :24:18. | :24:19. | |
someone at Wellington News. Could someone at Wellington News. Could | :24:19. | :24:22. | |
this be the breakthrough I'm this be the breakthrough I'm | :24:22. | :24:23. | |
this be the breakthrough I'm looking for? We may have found | :24:23. | :24:25. | |
looking for? We may have found somebody who knew Billy. | :24:25. | :24:26. | |
somebody who knew Billy. somebody who knew Billy. | :24:26. | :24:27. | |
He was actually a fairground boxer, He was actually a fairground boxer, | :24:27. | :24:29. | |
He was actually a fairground boxer, boxing in the booths. I believe | :24:29. | :24:30. | |
boxing in the booths. I believe boxing in the booths. I believe | :24:30. | :24:31. | |
boxing in the booths. I believe that he didn't lose one fight, so | :24:31. | :24:32. | |
that he didn't lose one fight, so that he didn't lose one fight, so | :24:32. | :24:35. | |
that he didn't lose one fight, so he must have been very, very tough. | :24:35. | :24:36. | |
he must have been very, very tough. he must have been very, very tough. | :24:36. | :24:38. | |
Martin's wife lived next door to Martin's wife lived next door to | :24:38. | :24:39. | |
Martin's wife lived next door to Martin's wife lived next door to | :24:39. | :24:40. | |
Billy when she was growing up. At Billy when she was growing up. At | :24:40. | :24:41. | |
Billy when she was growing up. At Billy when she was growing up. At | :24:41. | :24:42. | |
last, I get to hear something about last, I get to hear something about | :24:42. | :24:43. | |
last, I get to hear something about last, I get to hear something about | :24:43. | :24:44. | |
the man himself. Did you ever step the man himself. Did you ever step | :24:44. | :24:45. | |
the man himself. Did you ever step the man himself. Did you ever step | :24:45. | :24:46. | |
in the ring with him? Sort of. One in the ring with him? Sort of. One | :24:46. | :24:47. | |
in the ring with him? Sort of. One in the ring with him? Sort of. One | :24:47. | :24:48. | |
day, he said to me, "I want to day, he said to me, "I want to | :24:48. | :24:49. | |
day, he said to me, "I want to demonstrate my knockout blow. Don't | :24:49. | :24:50. | |
demonstrate my knockout blow. Don't demonstrate my knockout blow. Don't | :24:50. | :24:51. | |
demonstrate my knockout blow. Don't worry, I'm not really going to hit | :24:51. | :24:52. | |
worry, I'm not really going to hit worry, I'm not really going to hit | :24:52. | :24:53. | |
worry, I'm not really going to hit you." He gave me a slight tap on | :24:53. | :24:54. | |
you." He gave me a slight tap on you." He gave me a slight tap on | :24:54. | :24:55. | |
you." He gave me a slight tap on the chin and it nearly took my head | :24:55. | :24:56. | |
the chin and it nearly took my head the chin and it nearly took my head | :24:56. | :24:57. | |
the chin and it nearly took my head off. I thought, "My God, if you are | :24:57. | :24:58. | |
off. I thought, "My God, if you are off. I thought, "My God, if you are | :24:58. | :24:58. | |
off. I thought, "My God, if you are this tough now in your 90s, what | :24:58. | :24:59. | |
this tough now in your 90s, what this tough now in your 90s, what | :24:59. | :25:00. | |
this tough now in your 90s, what must it have been like facing you | :25:00. | :25:01. | |
must it have been like facing you must it have been like facing you | :25:01. | :25:02. | |
must it have been like facing you in the boxing ring?" And his family, | :25:02. | :25:03. | |
in the boxing ring?" And his family, in the boxing ring?" And his family, | :25:03. | :25:04. | |
in the boxing ring?" And his family, are there any of his family around? | :25:04. | :25:05. | |
are there any of his family around? are there any of his family around? | :25:05. | :25:05. | |
are there any of his family around? Yes, I believe his son Ray lives | :25:05. | :25:06. | |
Yes, I believe his son Ray lives Yes, I believe his son Ray lives | :25:06. | :25:07. | |
over in Leominster. So Buller has over in Leominster. So Buller has | :25:07. | :25:09. | |
over in Leominster. So Buller has got a son. Fantastic. A living | :25:09. | :25:10. | |
got a son. Fantastic. A living got a son. Fantastic. A living | :25:10. | :25:11. | |
got a son. Fantastic. A living relative. He can tell me all about | :25:11. | :25:12. | |
relative. He can tell me all about relative. He can tell me all about | :25:12. | :25:13. | |
relative. He can tell me all about his fights. I believe his name is | :25:13. | :25:14. | |
his fights. I believe his name is his fights. I believe his name is | :25:14. | :25:15. | |
Ray. He lives in Leominster, let's Ray. He lives in Leominster, let's | :25:15. | :25:21. | |
And it gets better. There is still And it gets better. There is still | :25:21. | :25:22. | |
And it gets better. There is still And it gets better. There is still | :25:22. | :25:22. | |
a Ray Evans living at the address a Ray Evans living at the address | :25:22. | :25:24. | |
a Ray Evans living at the address Martin gave me. Hello, this is | :25:24. | :25:26. | |
Martin gave me. Hello, this is Martin gave me. Hello, this is | :25:26. | :25:27. | |
Richie Woodhall here. And I Richie Woodhall here. And I | :25:27. | :25:30. | |
Richie Woodhall here. And I Richie Woodhall here. And I | :25:30. | :25:31. | |
speaking to Dr Ray Evans? You are, speaking to Dr Ray Evans? You are, | :25:31. | :25:34. | |
speaking to Dr Ray Evans? You are, yes. Hello, there.I am fine, | :25:34. | :25:35. | |
yes. Hello, there.I am fine, yes. Hello, there.I am fine, | :25:35. | :25:38. | |
yes. Hello, there.I am fine, thanks. A bit of a surprise. I am | :25:38. | :25:39. | |
thanks. A bit of a surprise. I am thanks. A bit of a surprise. I am | :25:39. | :25:40. | |
looking for an old boxer from looking for an old boxer from | :25:40. | :25:41. | |
Wellington, Shropshire, called Wellington, Shropshire, called | :25:41. | :25:42. | |
Wellington, Shropshire, called Billy Buller Evans. Do you know | :25:42. | :25:48. | |
Billy Buller Evans. Do you know Billy Buller Evans. Do you know | :25:48. | :25:49. | |
Billy Buller Evans. Do you know anything about him? Yes. He was my | :25:49. | :25:51. | |
anything about him? Yes. He was my anything about him? Yes. He was my | :25:51. | :25:54. | |
father. He was your father? My father. He was your father? My | :25:54. | :25:56. | |
father. He was your father? My father. That's fantastic! The old | :25:56. | :25:58. | |
father. That's fantastic! The old father. That's fantastic! The old | :25:58. | :26:01. | |
Buller. Yes. The old Buller. Buller. Yes. The old Buller. | :26:01. | :26:02. | |
Buller. Yes. The old Buller. Buller. Yes. The old Buller. | :26:02. | :26:03. | |
Tremendous. Can I come and see you Tremendous. Can I come and see you | :26:03. | :26:04. | |
Tremendous. Can I come and see you Tremendous. Can I come and see you | :26:04. | :26:13. | |
and talk about him to you? Well, of He was born in 1900 in Bolton. Why | :26:13. | :26:14. | |
He was born in 1900 in Bolton. Why He was born in 1900 in Bolton. Why | :26:14. | :26:15. | |
He was born in 1900 in Bolton. Why He was born in 1900 in Bolton. Why | :26:15. | :26:17. | |
Bolton I do not know. He was not a Bolton I do not know. He was not a | :26:17. | :26:18. | |
Bolton I do not know. He was not a Shropshire man. This was a bit | :26:18. | :26:22. | |
Shropshire man. This was a bit Shropshire man. This was a bit | :26:22. | :26:23. | |
Shropshire man. This was a bit mysterious. I do not know where my | :26:23. | :26:25. | |
mysterious. I do not know where my mysterious. I do not know where my | :26:25. | :26:25. | |
grandfather was born. Anyhow, in grandfather was born. Anyhow, in | :26:25. | :26:26. | |
grandfather was born. Anyhow, in grandfather was born. Anyhow, in | :26:26. | :26:31. | |
1900, he took off to Ireland from 1900, he took off to Ireland from | :26:31. | :26:33. | |
1900, he took off to Ireland from Bolton. Again, nobody knows why. My | :26:33. | :26:34. | |
Bolton. Again, nobody knows why. My Bolton. Again, nobody knows why. My | :26:34. | :26:35. | |
Bolton. Again, nobody knows why. My father was only a baby and he spent | :26:35. | :26:36. | |
father was only a baby and he spent father was only a baby and he spent | :26:36. | :26:37. | |
father was only a baby and he spent the first 12 years of his life in | :26:37. | :26:40. | |
the first 12 years of his life in the first 12 years of his life in | :26:40. | :26:41. | |
Ireland. After they returned to Ireland. After they returned to | :26:41. | :26:42. | |
Ireland. After they returned to England, Billy joined the Army and | :26:42. | :26:43. | |
England, Billy joined the Army and England, Billy joined the Army and | :26:43. | :26:43. | |
England, Billy joined the Army and it was here that he began boxing. | :26:43. | :26:44. | |
it was here that he began boxing. Eventually, he settled in | :26:45. | :26:45. | |
Eventually, he settled in Eventually, he settled in | :26:45. | :26:46. | |
Wellington and continued to box in Wellington and continued to box in | :26:47. | :26:52. | |
Wellington and continued to box in the fairground booths. He started | :26:52. | :26:53. | |
the fairground booths. He started the fairground booths. He started | :26:53. | :26:55. | |
boxing with Albert Barton's boxing boxing with Albert Barton's boxing | :26:55. | :26:56. | |
boxing with Albert Barton's boxing booth. For long periods, he was | :26:56. | :26:57. | |
booth. For long periods, he was booth. For long periods, he was | :26:57. | :27:04. | |
away with the booth travelling. away with the booth travelling. | :27:04. | :27:05. | |
away with the booth travelling. Periodically, when he came home, he | :27:05. | :27:06. | |
Periodically, when he came home, he Periodically, when he came home, he | :27:06. | :27:07. | |
would get a telegram from Albert would get a telegram from Albert | :27:07. | :27:09. | |
would get a telegram from Albert saying, "Can you come?" With some | :27:09. | :27:10. | |
saying, "Can you come?" With some saying, "Can you come?" With some | :27:10. | :27:11. | |
money for the fair. Wherever they money for the fair. Wherever they | :27:11. | :27:12. | |
money for the fair. Wherever they money for the fair. Wherever they | :27:12. | :27:13. | |
were. And he went on boxing with were. And he went on boxing with | :27:13. | :27:14. | |
were. And he went on boxing with the booth until about the early | :27:14. | :27:18. | |
the booth until about the early the booth until about the early | :27:18. | :27:19. | |
the booth until about the early 1930s. I've got a poster of him | :27:19. | :27:20. | |
1930s. I've got a poster of him 1930s. I've got a poster of him | :27:20. | :27:23. | |
from the mid-30s, about about 1936. from the mid-30s, about about 1936. | :27:23. | :27:24. | |
from the mid-30s, about about 1936. from the mid-30s, about about 1936. | :27:25. | :27:29. | |
He was around 40 years of age then. He was around 40 years of age then. | :27:29. | :27:30. | |
He was around 40 years of age then. He was around 40 years of age then. | :27:30. | :27:31. | |
I think almost his last fight was I think almost his last fight was | :27:31. | :27:32. | |
I think almost his last fight was at the Conservative fete in | :27:32. | :27:35. | |
at the Conservative fete in at the Conservative fete in | :27:35. | :27:36. | |
Wellington in 1936. With this chap Wellington in 1936. With this chap | :27:37. | :27:39. | |
Wellington in 1936. With this chap called Jack Seesarego. It's one of | :27:40. | :27:40. | |
called Jack Seesarego. It's one of called Jack Seesarego. It's one of | :27:40. | :27:43. | |
called Jack Seesarego. It's one of the few fights I actually saw. He | :27:43. | :27:44. | |
the few fights I actually saw. He won it on points. | :27:44. | :27:45. | |
won it on points. won it on points. | :27:45. | :27:46. | |
won it on points. And Ray had one last surprise for | :27:46. | :27:48. | |
And Ray had one last surprise for And Ray had one last surprise for | :27:48. | :27:49. | |
And Ray had one last surprise for me. That is the bill I have got! | :27:49. | :27:50. | |
me. That is the bill I have got! me. That is the bill I have got! | :27:50. | :27:51. | |
me. That is the bill I have got! That's the one I've got. The actual | :27:51. | :27:52. | |
That's the one I've got. The actual That's the one I've got. The actual | :27:52. | :27:53. | |
That's the one I've got. The actual bill. That is the one I've got. | :27:53. | :27:54. | |
bill. That is the one I've got. bill. That is the one I've got. | :27:54. | :27:54. | |
bill. That is the one I've got. I've got the larger version of that. | :27:54. | :27:56. | |
I've got the larger version of that. I've got the larger version of that. | :27:56. | :27:57. | |
Billy Evans. I've been looking at Billy Evans. I've been looking at | :27:57. | :27:58. | |
Billy Evans. I've been looking at this for years thinking, "Who is | :27:58. | :27:59. | |
this for years thinking, "Who is this fellow from Wellington?" | :27:59. | :28:01. | |
this fellow from Wellington?" Shropshire's leading welter. That | :28:01. | :28:03. | |
Shropshire's leading welter. That Shropshire's leading welter. That | :28:03. | :28:06. | |
Shropshire's leading welter. That is it. Billy Buller Evans. The so- | :28:06. | :28:07. | |
is it. Billy Buller Evans. The so- called welterweight champion of | :28:07. | :28:16. | |
called welterweight champion of Well, that's it for tonight. Don't | :28:16. | :28:17. | |
Well, that's it for tonight. Don't Well, that's it for tonight. Don't | :28:17. | :28:18. | |
forget, you can find more forget, you can find more | :28:18. | :28:19. | |
forget, you can find more information about any of the films | :28:19. | :28:20. | |
information about any of the films information about any of the films | :28:20. | :28:21. | |
on tonight's programme on our on tonight's programme on our | :28:21. | :28:22. | |
on tonight's programme on our Facebook page. But from Birmingham | :28:22. | :28:23. | |
Facebook page. But from Birmingham Facebook page. But from Birmingham | :28:23. | :28:31. | |
City Amateur Boxing Club, good On next week's programme, we look | :28:31. | :28:32. | |
On next week's programme, we look On next week's programme, we look | :28:32. | :28:33. | |
On next week's programme, we look at the �615 million black hole in | :28:33. | :28:37. | |
at the �615 million black hole in Birmingham City Council's finances. | :28:37. | :28:38. | |
Birmingham City Council's finances. Birmingham City Council's finances. | :28:38. | :28:39. | |
Birmingham City Council's finances. And a Brummie teenager asks the man | :28:39. | :28:40. | |
And a Brummie teenager asks the man And a Brummie teenager asks the man | :28:40. | :28:41. | |
And a Brummie teenager asks the man at the top what hope there is for | :28:41. | :28:43. |