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Hello. Tonight I'm at the home of Hello. Tonight I'm at the home of

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Hello. Tonight I'm at the home of Birmingham City Amateur Boxing Club

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Birmingham City Amateur Boxing Club Birmingham City Amateur Boxing Club

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Birmingham City Amateur Boxing Club as we're on the trail of a

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as we're on the trail of a as we're on the trail of a

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forgotten boxing hero from the forgotten boxing hero from the

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forgotten boxing hero from the 1930s. Also on the show:

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1930s. Also on the show: 1930s. Also on the show:

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Unlocking the hidden world of the Unlocking the hidden world of the

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Unlocking the hidden world of the young carers juggling home and

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young carers juggling home and young carers juggling home and

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young carers juggling home and school life. I want to go out and

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school life. I want to go out and school life. I want to go out and

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school life. I want to go out and see my friends, but I don't feel I

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see my friends, but I don't feel I see my friends, but I don't feel I

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see my friends, but I don't feel I can because I want to be watching

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can because I want to be watching can because I want to be watching

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can because I want to be watching my mum, making sure she is OK and

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everything. everything.

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everything. But first tonight, the government

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But first tonight, the government remains committed to culling

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remains committed to culling remains committed to culling

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badgers in an attempt to control badgers in an attempt to control

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tuberculosis in cattle, despite tuberculosis in cattle, despite

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tuberculosis in cattle, despite postponing the scheme in October.

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postponing the scheme in October. postponing the scheme in October.

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postponing the scheme in October. The plan to train marksmen to shoot

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The plan to train marksmen to shoot The plan to train marksmen to shoot

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thousands of badgers in two areas, thousands of badgers in two areas,

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including Gloucestershire, has been including Gloucestershire, has been

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including Gloucestershire, has been delayed until the summer. But is

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delayed until the summer. But is delayed until the summer. But is

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there a viable alternative? Bovine there a viable alternative? Bovine

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there a viable alternative? Bovine tuberculosis is one of the biggest

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tuberculosis is one of the biggest tuberculosis is one of the biggest

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challenges facing our farmers with challenges facing our farmers with

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challenges facing our farmers with 35,000 cows slaughtered in the UK

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35,000 cows slaughtered in the UK 35,000 cows slaughtered in the UK

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35,000 cows slaughtered in the UK last year alone. It has a huge

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last year alone. It has a huge last year alone. It has a huge

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last year alone. It has a huge effect on not only myself, but the

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effect on not only myself, but the effect on not only myself, but the

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effect on not only myself, but the family and the staff who work on

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family and the staff who work on family and the staff who work on

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family and the staff who work on the farm as well. Come on, girl.

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the farm as well. Come on, girl. the farm as well. Come on, girl.

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the farm as well. Come on, girl. Come on. It is a big day on

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Come on. It is a big day on Come on. It is a big day on

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Stephen's dairy farms. I have come Stephen's dairy farms. I have come

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Stephen's dairy farms. I have come Stephen's dairy farms. I have come

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to see his latest TB test. All 270 to see his latest TB test. All 270

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to see his latest TB test. All 270 to see his latest TB test. All 270

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of his dairy cows have to be of his dairy cows have to be

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of his dairy cows have to be of his dairy cows have to be

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checked to see if they have the checked to see if they have the

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checked to see if they have the disease. Two days ago the vet

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disease. Two days ago the vet disease. Two days ago the vet

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disease. Two days ago the vet injected be cows in the neck with

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injected be cows in the neck with injected be cows in the neck with

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the tuberculosis skin test. Now he the tuberculosis skin test. Now he

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the tuberculosis skin test. Now he the tuberculosis skin test. Now he

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is measuring the lumps to see if is measuring the lumps to see if

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is measuring the lumps to see if is measuring the lumps to see if

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there is a reaction. Here I have to there is a reaction. Here I have to

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there is a reaction. Here I have to measure the skin thickness and we

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measure the skin thickness and we measure the skin thickness and we

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measure the skin thickness and we measure the skin thickness and we

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have got ten at the top and we have have got ten at the top and we have

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have got ten at the top and we have have got ten at the top and we have

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got nine at the bottom. OK. Tell me, got nine at the bottom. OK. Tell me,

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got nine at the bottom. OK. Tell me, got nine at the bottom. OK. Tell me,

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got nine at the bottom. OK. Tell me, what is it like on a day like today,

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what is it like on a day like today, what is it like on a day like today,

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what is it like on a day like today, having to go through all this?

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having to go through all this? having to go through all this?

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are on tenterhooks. You are waiting are on tenterhooks. You are waiting

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are on tenterhooks. You are waiting are on tenterhooks. You are waiting

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for the vet to read the test and for the vet to read the test and

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for the vet to read the test and for the vet to read the test and

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you are hoping and praying that you you are hoping and praying that you

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you are hoping and praying that you you are hoping and praying that you

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don't get a negative result. It is don't get a negative result. It is

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don't get a negative result. It is a very time-consuming time as well.

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a very time-consuming time as well. a very time-consuming time as well.

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a very time-consuming time as well. It is extra hassle for the cattle,

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It is extra hassle for the cattle, It is extra hassle for the cattle,

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It is extra hassle for the cattle, having to go through the test and

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having to go through the test and having to go through the test and

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having to go through the test and to be handled twice in a week. They

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to be handled twice in a week. They to be handled twice in a week. They

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to be handled twice in a week. They to be handled twice in a week. They

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do not like it. She is good to go. do not like it. She is good to go.

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do not like it. She is good to go. do not like it. She is good to go.

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She is fine. Sometimes the cows are She is fine. Sometimes the cows are

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She is fine. Sometimes the cows are clear, but if they are infected,

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clear, but if they are infected, clear, but if they are infected,

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they have to be slaughtered. Today, they have to be slaughtered. Today,

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they have to be slaughtered. Today, three cows have to be isolated

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three cows have to be isolated three cows have to be isolated

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because they are inconclusive. They because they are inconclusive. They

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because they are inconclusive. They because they are inconclusive. They

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will be tested again in 60 days. In will be tested again in 60 days. In

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will be tested again in 60 days. In the meantime, Steve cannot buy or

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the meantime, Steve cannot buy or the meantime, Steve cannot buy or

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the meantime, Steve cannot buy or sell any cows. It has been another

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sell any cows. It has been another sell any cows. It has been another

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difficult day for Steve, whose herd difficult day for Steve, whose herd

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difficult day for Steve, whose herd difficult day for Steve, whose herd

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is not TB free. He is still under is not TB free. He is still under

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is not TB free. He is still under restrictions for the next two

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restrictions for the next two restrictions for the next two

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months, with all the problems that months, with all the problems that

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months, with all the problems that brings. The main frustration as a

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brings. The main frustration as a brings. The main frustration as a

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brings. The main frustration as a farmer is that we are not making

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farmer is that we are not making farmer is that we are not making

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farmer is that we are not making any progress. We are not having a

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any progress. We are not having a any progress. We are not having a

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any progress. We are not having a test and thinking, it will only be

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test and thinking, it will only be test and thinking, it will only be

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one more because we are making one more because we are making

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one more because we are making one more because we are making

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headway on combating TB. It is not headway on combating TB. It is not

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headway on combating TB. It is not happening and it is frustrating for

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happening and it is frustrating for happening and it is frustrating for

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happening and it is frustrating for me and the next generation who may

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me and the next generation who may me and the next generation who may

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farm here. Farmers want something farm here. Farmers want something

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farm here. Farmers want something farm here. Farmers want something

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done and this summer that will mean done and this summer that will mean

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done and this summer that will mean cull. Having looked at all the

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cull. Having looked at all the cull. Having looked at all the

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evidence over many years, I am evidence over many years, I am

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utterly convinced that badger utterly convinced that badger

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utterly convinced that badger utterly convinced that badger

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control is the right thing to do. control is the right thing to do.

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Many scientists and Many scientists and

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Many scientists and conservationists are opposed to the

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conservationists are opposed to the cull. Particularly strong

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cull. Particularly strong cull. Particularly strong

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opposition has come from the RSPCA. opposition has come from the RSPCA.

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opposition has come from the RSPCA. opposition has come from the RSPCA.

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What is your view on the cull? What is your view on the cull?

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What is your view on the cull? is wrong because the only

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is wrong because the only is wrong because the only

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independent piece of science found independent piece of science found

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independent piece of science found independent piece of science found

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it did not have a major effect on it did not have a major effect on

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it did not have a major effect on bovine TB. There was something like

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bovine TB. There was something like bovine TB. There was something like

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bovine TB. There was something like a 16% decline over a period of many

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a 16% decline over a period of many a 16% decline over a period of many

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years if you slaughtered the years if you slaughtered the

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years if you slaughtered the badgers. We also oppose the method

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badgers. We also oppose the method badgers. We also oppose the method

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the government is using. Free the government is using. Free

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the government is using. Free shooting is a higher risk method.

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shooting is a higher risk method. shooting is a higher risk method.

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shooting is a higher risk method. It means that some badgers will not

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It means that some badgers will not It means that some badgers will not

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be killed outright. They will go be killed outright. They will go

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be killed outright. They will go underground and they will bleed to

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underground and they will bleed to underground and they will bleed to

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underground and they will bleed to death and suffer as a result.

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death and suffer as a result. death and suffer as a result.

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this is where the ultimate solution this is where the ultimate solution

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this is where the ultimate solution this is where the ultimate solution

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lies - inside a science lab. Cattle lies - inside a science lab. Cattle

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lies - inside a science lab. Cattle vaccination is thought by many to

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vaccination is thought by many to vaccination is thought by many to

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vaccination is thought by many to be the missing piece of the jigsaw

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be the missing piece of the jigsaw be the missing piece of the jigsaw

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in tackling bovine TB. It could in tackling bovine TB. It could

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in tackling bovine TB. It could stop both cows and badgers from

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stop both cows and badgers from stop both cows and badgers from

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dying. And at the heart of dying. And at the heart of

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vaccination research are the vaccination research are the

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government's own animal health government's own animal health

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laboratories. Developing a cattle laboratories. Developing a cattle

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laboratories. Developing a cattle vaccination against TB is complex

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vaccination against TB is complex vaccination against TB is complex

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vaccination against TB is complex and difficult and it is here that

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and difficult and it is here that scientists are working towards

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scientists are working towards scientists are working towards

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solving the problem. For the last solving the problem. For the last

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solving the problem. For the last 15 years they have been trying

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15 years they have been trying 15 years they have been trying

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15 years they have been trying every think they can think of to

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every think they can think of to every think they can think of to

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find an effective vaccine, but they find an effective vaccine, but they

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find an effective vaccine, but they find an effective vaccine, but they

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are not there yet. At the moment, are not there yet. At the moment,

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are not there yet. At the moment, are not there yet. At the moment,

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we don't have a vaccine you can we don't have a vaccine you can

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we don't have a vaccine you can we don't have a vaccine you can

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take off the shelf and inject into take off the shelf and inject into

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take off the shelf and inject into cows. The only vaccine we could

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cows. The only vaccine we could cows. The only vaccine we could

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currently work with is a vaccine currently work with is a vaccine

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currently work with is a vaccine currently work with is a vaccine

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used in people. It is called BCG. used in people. It is called BCG.

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used in people. It is called BCG. used in people. It is called BCG.

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It will protect a certain number of It will protect a certain number of

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animals against acquiring infection. animals against acquiring infection.

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animals against acquiring infection. animals against acquiring infection.

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It will reduce the infection in a It will reduce the infection in a

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It will reduce the infection in a certain percentage of animals and

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certain percentage of animals and certain percentage of animals and

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certain percentage of animals and by doing so, we expect it to reduce

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by doing so, we expect it to reduce by doing so, we expect it to reduce

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the transmission of TB from one the transmission of TB from one

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the transmission of TB from one the transmission of TB from one

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animal to another. So if there is animal to another. So if there is

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animal to another. So if there is something that works, why don't our

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something that works, why don't our something that works, why don't our

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cows have it? The problem is cows have it? The problem is

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cows have it? The problem is vaccinating cattle is banned under

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vaccinating cattle is banned under vaccinating cattle is banned under

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European law. That is because when European law. That is because when

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European law. That is because when European law. That is because when

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you use the skin test on farms, you use the skin test on farms,

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both vaccinated and infected both vaccinated and infected

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both vaccinated and infected animals appear to test positive for

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animals appear to test positive for animals appear to test positive for

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animals appear to test positive for TB. So we needed a new test that

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TB. So we needed a new test that TB. So we needed a new test that

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can tell the difference between the can tell the difference between the

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can tell the difference between the can tell the difference between the

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two. It is called the diva test. two. It is called the diva test.

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two. It is called the diva test. two. It is called the diva test.

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What we now have is a test that What we now have is a test that

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What we now have is a test that What we now have is a test that

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will be positive if you have TB will be positive if you have TB

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will be positive if you have TB infection and will be negative if

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infection and will be negative if infection and will be negative if

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you are vaccinated with BCG. you are vaccinated with BCG.

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you are vaccinated with BCG. you are vaccinated with BCG.

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diva test needs to be tried on a diva test needs to be tried on a

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diva test needs to be tried on a working farm. That trial is also

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working farm. That trial is also prevented by the European

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prevented by the European prevented by the European

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vaccination plan. At the moment, it vaccination plan. At the moment, it

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vaccination plan. At the moment, it is illegal to vaccinate cattle and

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is illegal to vaccinate cattle and is illegal to vaccinate cattle and

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yet in order to reassure Europe yet in order to reassure Europe

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yet in order to reassure Europe that our tests are sensitive, we

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that our tests are sensitive, we that our tests are sensitive, we

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that our tests are sensitive, we need to do field trials. But whilst

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need to do field trials. But whilst need to do field trials. But whilst

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there is a block on vaccinating there is a block on vaccinating

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there is a block on vaccinating cattle, we can vaccinate badgers.

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cattle, we can vaccinate badgers. cattle, we can vaccinate badgers.

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cattle, we can vaccinate badgers. It is already being done in Wales,

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It is already being done in Wales, Devon and Gloucestershire. Results

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Devon and Gloucestershire. Results Devon and Gloucestershire. Results

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are promising. It does not cure are promising. It does not cure

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are promising. It does not cure are promising. It does not cure

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badgers with TB and it is not 100% badgers with TB and it is not 100%

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badgers with TB and it is not 100% effective, but it does reduce the

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effective, but it does reduce the effective, but it does reduce the

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effective, but it does reduce the disease by almost 75%. So, what is

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disease by almost 75%. So, what is disease by almost 75%. So, what is

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the Government's waiting for? I the Government's waiting for? I

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the Government's waiting for? I went to ask the agriculture

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went to ask the agriculture went to ask the agriculture

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minister himself. I think we have minister himself. I think we have

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minister himself. I think we have minister himself. I think we have

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got to take into account that we got to take into account that we

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got to take into account that we have an extremely serious disease

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have an extremely serious disease have an extremely serious disease

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affecting cattle across the country. affecting cattle across the country.

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affecting cattle across the country. It is affecting the wild badger

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It is affecting the wild badger It is affecting the wild badger

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It is affecting the wild badger population as well. We need to bear

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population as well. We need to bear population as well. We need to bear

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population as well. We need to bear down on that disease and all the

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down on that disease and all the down on that disease and all the

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down on that disease and all the evidence is that you cannot get rid

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evidence is that you cannot get rid evidence is that you cannot get rid

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evidence is that you cannot get rid of TB, or even stop the spread of

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of TB, or even stop the spread of of TB, or even stop the spread of

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of TB, or even stop the spread of TB in cattle unless you deal with

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TB in cattle unless you deal with TB in cattle unless you deal with

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the wildlife sector as well and the wildlife sector as well and

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the wildlife sector as well and the wildlife sector as well and

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that is why we have to do something that is why we have to do something

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that is why we have to do something about the badger population. What

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about the badger population. What about the badger population. What

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is your view on badger vaccination? is your view on badger vaccination?

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is your view on badger vaccination? is your view on badger vaccination?

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If we can develop an an oral If we can develop an an oral

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If we can develop an an oral vaccination, if that is available

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vaccination, if that is available vaccination, if that is available

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vaccination, if that is available to us, then we think that that

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to us, then we think that that to us, then we think that that

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might be an easier way of might be an easier way of

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might be an easier way of administering a vaccine to badgers.

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administering a vaccine to badgers. administering a vaccine to badgers.

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administering a vaccine to badgers. But let me stress again, it is part

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But let me stress again, it is part But let me stress again, it is part

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But let me stress again, it is part of the solution, but it is not a

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of the solution, but it is not a of the solution, but it is not a

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whole solution. On to cattle whole solution. On to cattle

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whole solution. On to cattle whole solution. On to cattle

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vaccination - the BCG and diva test vaccination - the BCG and diva test

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vaccination - the BCG and diva test vaccination - the BCG and diva test

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are in for licensing. We seem to be are in for licensing. We seem to be

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are in for licensing. We seem to be are in for licensing. We seem to be

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in a good position. Where do you in a good position. Where do you

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in a good position. Where do you in a good position. Where do you

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see it? At the moment, it is see it? At the moment, it is

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see it? At the moment, it is see it? At the moment, it is

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illegal even to test it without a illegal even to test it without a

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illegal even to test it without a special dispensation. That is why

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special dispensation. That is why special dispensation. That is why

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special dispensation. That is why we are going to the European Union

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we are going to the European Union we are going to the European Union

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Commission. We had a very useful Commission. We had a very useful

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conversation recently with the conversation recently with the

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conversation recently with the relevant commissioner. He has come

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relevant commissioner. He has come relevant commissioner. He has come

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relevant commissioner. He has come back with some proposals as to how

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back with some proposals as to how back with some proposals as to how

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back with some proposals as to how we could take this forward in an

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we could take this forward in an we could take this forward in an

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we could take this forward in an effective way. We are very keen to

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effective way. We are very keen to effective way. We are very keen to

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effective way. We are very keen to do that. That is the good news. The

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do that. That is the good news. The do that. That is the good news. The

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do that. That is the good news. The bad news is that it is a long

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bad news is that it is a long bad news is that it is a long

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timescale. He estimates it will timescale. He estimates it will

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timescale. He estimates it will timescale. He estimates it will

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take about 10 years before we are take about 10 years before we are

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take about 10 years before we are take about 10 years before we are

:08:45.:08:55.
:08:55.:08:59.

able to use a vaccine on cattle in So, some answers and potentially

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So, some answers and potentially So, some answers and potentially

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some progress. The government here some progress. The government here

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some progress. The government here some progress. The government here

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some progress. The government here is saying that the EU has set up a

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is saying that the EU has set up a timeline for when cattle

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timeline for when cattle vaccination might be acceptable.

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vaccination might be acceptable. vaccination might be acceptable.

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vaccination might be acceptable. But even if all the steps in this

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But even if all the steps in this But even if all the steps in this

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But even if all the steps in this plan are met, we are still talking

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plan are met, we are still talking plan are met, we are still talking

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several years before it could several years before it could

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several years before it could happen. It is a frustrating

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happen. It is a frustrating situation, especially for the

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situation, especially for the situation, especially for the

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farmers left fighting the disease farmers left fighting the disease

:09:17.:09:21.

farmers left fighting the disease on the frontline. We cannot wait

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on the frontline. We cannot wait on the frontline. We cannot wait

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that long, neither can the next that long, neither can the next

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generation. The situation is generation. The situation is

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generation. The situation is generation. The situation is

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getting worse. It is more of a getting worse. It is more of a

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getting worse. It is more of a getting worse. It is more of a

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problem now than it was seven or problem now than it was seven or

:09:30.:09:31.

problem now than it was seven or problem now than it was seven or

:09:31.:09:32.

eight years ago. We are not making eight years ago. We are not making

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eight years ago. We are not making progress and it is something we

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progress and it is something we need to tackle now.

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need to tackle now. need to tackle now.

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need to tackle now. You can talk was right now on

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You can talk was right now on You can talk was right now on

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Twitter. You can also e-mail me Twitter. You can also e-mail me

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Twitter. You can also e-mail me direct. Still to come tonight:

:09:53.:09:54.

direct. Still to come tonight: direct. Still to come tonight:

:09:54.:09:54.

Shropshire's most famous boxer on Shropshire's most famous boxer on

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Shropshire's most famous boxer on the trail of the county's forgotten

:09:55.:10:00.

the trail of the county's forgotten the trail of the county's forgotten

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fighter. So, in your opinion, what fighter. So, in your opinion, what

:10:01.:10:02.

fighter. So, in your opinion, what fighter. So, in your opinion, what

:10:02.:10:02.

are my chances of finding out more are my chances of finding out more

:10:03.:10:05.

are my chances of finding out more are my chances of finding out more

:10:05.:10:06.

about Billy Evans. It really is not about Billy Evans. It really is not

:10:06.:10:08.

about Billy Evans. It really is not about Billy Evans. It really is not

:10:08.:10:09.

going to be easy. I think you will going to be easy. I think you will

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going to be easy. I think you will have to find some living relative

:10:10.:10:11.

have to find some living relative have to find some living relative

:10:11.:10:12.

have to find some living relative who will be able to paint a more

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who will be able to paint a more who will be able to paint a more

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complete picture of the man. There complete picture of the man. There

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complete picture of the man. There are officially 175,000 young people

:10:20.:10:21.

are officially 175,000 young people are officially 175,000 young people

:10:21.:10:22.

across the UK providing unpaid care across the UK providing unpaid care

:10:22.:10:26.

across the UK providing unpaid care across the UK providing unpaid care

:10:26.:10:26.

to a family member. It is thought to a family member. It is thought

:10:26.:10:27.

to a family member. It is thought the actual number could be four

:10:27.:10:28.

the actual number could be four the actual number could be four

:10:28.:10:29.

times higher with many unpaid times higher with many unpaid

:10:29.:10:31.

times higher with many unpaid carers unwilling to ask for help.

:10:31.:10:32.

carers unwilling to ask for help. carers unwilling to ask for help.

:10:32.:10:35.

carers unwilling to ask for help. So how do they cope? Jim Davis has

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:10:45.:10:55.

Looking after a loved one comes Looking after a loved one comes

:10:55.:10:55.

Looking after a loved one comes naturally to children. For some,

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naturally to children. For some, naturally to children. For some,

:10:57.:10:58.

caring for brothers and sisters, caring for brothers and sisters,

:10:58.:10:58.

caring for brothers and sisters, caring for brothers and sisters,

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mums and dads, is a full time job. mums and dads, is a full time job.

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mums and dads, is a full time job. mums and dads, is a full time job.

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But many are too scared to tell But many are too scared to tell

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But many are too scared to tell people what they do. Worried

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people what they do. Worried people what they do. Worried

:11:03.:11:13.
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they'll be judged, bullied or they'll be judged, bullied or

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they'll be judged, bullied or humiliated. They might talk behind

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humiliated. They might talk behind humiliated. They might talk behind

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humiliated. They might talk behind my back, so I'd rather not tell

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my back, so I'd rather not tell my back, so I'd rather not tell

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them about Reece and then they them about Reece and then they

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them about Reece and then they them about Reece and then they

:11:20.:11:21.

them about Reece and then they might not do it so I just keep it

:11:21.:11:22.

might not do it so I just keep it might not do it so I just keep it

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might not do it so I just keep it to myself. There are people on this

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to myself. There are people on this to myself. There are people on this

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to myself. There are people on this street, say no names, but they have

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street, say no names, but they have street, say no names, but they have

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street, say no names, but they have been so evil to us. Some deal with

:11:27.:11:28.

been so evil to us. Some deal with been so evil to us. Some deal with

:11:28.:11:35.

the pressure by harming themselves. the pressure by harming themselves.

:11:35.:11:36.

the pressure by harming themselves. These were mainly done with razor

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These were mainly done with razor These were mainly done with razor

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These were mainly done with razor blades, dug in with the corner, I

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blades, dug in with the corner, I blades, dug in with the corner, I

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think there was a screwdriver at think there was a screwdriver at

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think there was a screwdriver at think there was a screwdriver at

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one point. But now there's a group one point. But now there's a group

:11:45.:11:46.

one point. But now there's a group of young carers in Leicester who've

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of young carers in Leicester who've had enough. They're getting

:11:47.:11:48.

had enough. They're getting had enough. They're getting

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together to support each other. I together to support each other. I

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together to support each other. I together to support each other. I

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want to know what it is like for want to know what it is like for

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want to know what it is like for these young carers. What sort of

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these young carers. What sort of these young carers. What sort of

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burdens they are carrying and what burdens they are carrying and what

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burdens they are carrying and what burdens they are carrying and what

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sort of help is out there for them. sort of help is out there for them.

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sort of help is out there for them. sort of help is out there for them.

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Jhon is 13 years old and looks Jhon is 13 years old and looks

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Jhon is 13 years old and looks after his deaf and disabled mother.

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after his deaf and disabled mother. after his deaf and disabled mother.

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How long have you had the How long have you had the

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How long have you had the condition? I was born with

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condition? I was born with condition? I was born with

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osteogenesis and I've probably been osteogenesis and I've probably been

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osteogenesis and I've probably been osteogenesis and I've probably been

:12:15.:12:16.

going deaf since I was about six. going deaf since I was about six.

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going deaf since I was about six. going deaf since I was about six.

:12:17.:12:17.

Jhon has always been there for his Jhon has always been there for his

:12:17.:12:18.

Jhon has always been there for his Jhon has always been there for his

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mum, but he has found that very few mum, but he has found that very few

:12:19.:12:20.

mum, but he has found that very few mum, but he has found that very few

:12:20.:12:21.

people have been there for him. people have been there for him.

:12:21.:12:22.

people have been there for him. awareness in the community, places

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awareness in the community, places like schools, hospitals, things

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like schools, hospitals, things like schools, hospitals, things

:12:24.:12:25.

like that, do not understand what like that, do not understand what

:12:25.:12:26.

like that, do not understand what like that, do not understand what

:12:26.:12:33.

young carers are and what they do. young carers are and what they do.

:12:33.:12:34.

young carers are and what they do. John has got the same medical

:12:34.:12:35.

John has got the same medical John has got the same medical

:12:35.:12:36.

condition as his mother and cannot condition as his mother and cannot

:12:36.:12:37.

condition as his mother and cannot walk far without using a wheelchair

:12:37.:12:38.

walk far without using a wheelchair walk far without using a wheelchair

:12:38.:12:39.

himself. Despite this, he has been himself. Despite this, he has been

:12:39.:12:40.

himself. Despite this, he has been himself. Despite this, he has been

:12:40.:12:41.

helping his dad to care for her helping his dad to care for her

:12:41.:12:42.

helping his dad to care for her helping his dad to care for her

:12:42.:12:47.

since he was only five years old. since he was only five years old.

:12:47.:12:48.

since he was only five years old. When people are sort of moaning

:12:48.:12:49.

When people are sort of moaning When people are sort of moaning

:12:49.:12:50.

about something, you do think, that about something, you do think, that

:12:50.:12:51.

about something, you do think, that is insignificant in the real world,

:12:51.:12:52.

is insignificant in the real world, is insignificant in the real world,

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why don't you try having these why don't you try having these

:12:53.:12:54.

why don't you try having these why don't you try having these

:12:54.:12:55.

things to deal with and then see if things to deal with and then see if

:12:55.:12:56.

things to deal with and then see if things to deal with and then see if

:12:56.:12:57.

that little thing means so much to that little thing means so much to

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you to moan about. you to moan about.

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you to moan about. you to moan about.

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I am immensely proud. There is not I am immensely proud. There is not

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I am immensely proud. There is not I am immensely proud. There is not

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I am immensely proud. There is not a word, I tried to find a word to

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a word, I tried to find a word to a word, I tried to find a word to

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a word, I tried to find a word to say what he makes me feel like and

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say what he makes me feel like and say what he makes me feel like and

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there isn't one. Jhon's experiences there isn't one. Jhon's experiences

:13:11.:13:12.

there isn't one. Jhon's experiences there isn't one. Jhon's experiences

:13:13.:13:22.
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have made him determined to make a It is Saturday morning and Jhon is

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It is Saturday morning and Jhon is It is Saturday morning and Jhon is

:13:27.:13:28.

meeting other young carers at the meeting other young carers at the

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Watershed Community Centre in Watershed Community Centre in

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Watershed Community Centre in Leicester. They have set up a

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Leicester. They have set up a We are getting a lot of young

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We are getting a lot of young people enquiring about Labelled,

:13:43.:13:44.

people enquiring about Labelled, people enquiring about Labelled,

:13:44.:13:54.
:13:54.:13:54.

even enquiring about what young Jhon is one of the founding members

:13:54.:13:55.

Jhon is one of the founding members Jhon is one of the founding members

:13:55.:13:56.

along with 20-year-old Lotte who along with 20-year-old Lotte who

:13:56.:13:57.

along with 20-year-old Lotte who along with 20-year-old Lotte who

:13:57.:13:58.

was plunged into caring for her dad was plunged into caring for her dad

:13:58.:13:58.

was plunged into caring for her dad after he suffered a nervous

:13:58.:14:02.

after he suffered a nervous after he suffered a nervous

:14:02.:14:02.

breakdown ten years ago. What breakdown ten years ago. What

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breakdown ten years ago. What Labelled is about is empowering

:14:03.:14:06.

Labelled is about is empowering Labelled is about is empowering

:14:06.:14:07.

Labelled is about is empowering young carers. What we do not do is

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young carers. What we do not do is young carers. What we do not do is

:14:08.:14:09.

come in and take those come in and take those

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come in and take those responsibilities away. And a lot of

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responsibilities away. And a lot of responsibilities away. And a lot of

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responsibilities away. And a lot of young carers do not want us to take

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young carers do not want us to take young carers do not want us to take

:14:14.:14:14.

that responsibility. What they want that responsibility. What they want

:14:14.:14:17.

that responsibility. What they want is support to do it themselves.

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is support to do it themselves. is support to do it themselves.

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But recognising you are a young But recognising you are a young

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But recognising you are a young carer is one of the biggest

:14:20.:14:24.

carer is one of the biggest carer is one of the biggest

:14:24.:14:25.

challenges. A lot of the carers challenges. A lot of the carers

:14:25.:14:26.

challenges. A lot of the carers that have actually come here only

:14:26.:14:27.

that have actually come here only that have actually come here only

:14:27.:14:28.

that have actually come here only realise that they a carer when they

:14:28.:14:29.

realise that they a carer when they realise that they a carer when they

:14:29.:14:30.

came here. We have had some came here. We have had some

:14:30.:14:31.

came here. We have had some volunteers come along and after

:14:31.:14:32.

volunteers come along and after volunteers come along and after

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speaking to them, they are like, speaking to them, they are like,

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speaking to them, they are like, "Oh. I'm a carer." Yes.

:14:37.:14:38.

"Oh. I'm a carer." Yes. "Oh. I'm a carer." Yes.

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"Oh. I'm a carer." Yes. One of the people they are helping

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One of the people they are helping One of the people they are helping

:14:41.:14:41.

One of the people they are helping is Jasmin. She has been coming to

:14:41.:14:42.

is Jasmin. She has been coming to is Jasmin. She has been coming to

:14:42.:14:46.

Labelled since her dad died three Labelled since her dad died three

:14:46.:14:47.

Labelled since her dad died three months ago. Jasmin lives with her

:14:47.:14:48.

months ago. Jasmin lives with her months ago. Jasmin lives with her

:14:48.:14:49.

sister Kirsty and mum Julie who sister Kirsty and mum Julie who

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sister Kirsty and mum Julie who suffers from depression. She had

:14:52.:14:53.

suffers from depression. She had suffers from depression. She had

:14:53.:14:53.

suffers from depression. She had been helping to care for her dad

:14:53.:14:54.

been helping to care for her dad been helping to care for her dad

:14:54.:14:55.

since she first learned to walk. since she first learned to walk.

:14:55.:14:56.

since she first learned to walk. since she first learned to walk.

:14:56.:14:57.

He'd had a disease of the spine He'd had a disease of the spine

:14:57.:14:59.

which severely affected his which severely affected his

:14:59.:15:00.

which severely affected his mobility. One morning he collapsed

:15:00.:15:01.

mobility. One morning he collapsed mobility. One morning he collapsed

:15:01.:15:02.

mobility. One morning he collapsed in agony at home. Jasmin gave him

:15:02.:15:03.

in agony at home. Jasmin gave him in agony at home. Jasmin gave him

:15:03.:15:03.

CPR until the paramedics arrived, CPR until the paramedics arrived,

:15:03.:15:05.

CPR until the paramedics arrived, CPR until the paramedics arrived,

:15:05.:15:06.

CPR until the paramedics arrived, but it was too late. He died from a

:15:06.:15:07.

but it was too late. He died from a but it was too late. He died from a

:15:07.:15:11.

blood clot on the lungs. blood clot on the lungs.

:15:11.:15:12.

blood clot on the lungs. The paramedics said he had gone,

:15:12.:15:13.

The paramedics said he had gone, The paramedics said he had gone,

:15:13.:15:14.

The paramedics said he had gone, she just fell to the floor, we just

:15:14.:15:17.

she just fell to the floor, we just she just fell to the floor, we just

:15:17.:15:21.

cried together. It was horrible. I cried together. It was horrible. I

:15:22.:15:23.

cried together. It was horrible. I wish he was here now.

:15:23.:15:24.

wish he was here now. wish he was here now.

:15:24.:15:25.

wish he was here now. Jasmin is doing her best to help

:15:25.:15:30.

Jasmin is doing her best to help her mum through this.

:15:30.:15:31.

her mum through this. her mum through this.

:15:31.:15:32.

her mum through this. Mum doesn't like to sleep on her

:15:32.:15:35.

Mum doesn't like to sleep on her Mum doesn't like to sleep on her

:15:35.:15:36.

Mum doesn't like to sleep on her own at the minute. I guess that is

:15:36.:15:37.

own at the minute. I guess that is own at the minute. I guess that is

:15:37.:15:38.

partly because of everything that partly because of everything that

:15:38.:15:39.

partly because of everything that partly because of everything that

:15:39.:15:39.

is going through her mind and also is going through her mind and also

:15:39.:15:40.

is going through her mind and also is going through her mind and also

:15:41.:15:41.

the fact that she is so used to the fact that she is so used to

:15:41.:15:42.

the fact that she is so used to the fact that she is so used to

:15:42.:15:43.

having somebody next to her that it having somebody next to her that it

:15:43.:15:47.

having somebody next to her that it having somebody next to her that it

:15:47.:15:48.

is a comfort thing. She has been is a comfort thing. She has been

:15:48.:15:49.

is a comfort thing. She has been is a comfort thing. She has been

:15:49.:15:49.

left to manage her mum who suffers left to manage her mum who suffers

:15:49.:15:50.

left to manage her mum who suffers from bipolar, a mental health

:15:50.:15:51.

from bipolar, a mental health from bipolar, a mental health

:15:51.:15:52.

condition that means she can either condition that means she can either

:15:52.:15:59.

condition that means she can either There's times when I sort of feel

:15:59.:16:01.

There's times when I sort of feel There's times when I sort of feel

:16:01.:16:01.

There's times when I sort of feel There's times when I sort of feel

:16:01.:16:02.

that I want to go out and see my that I want to go out and see my

:16:02.:16:03.

that I want to go out and see my that I want to go out and see my

:16:03.:16:04.

friends but I do not feel I can friends but I do not feel I can

:16:04.:16:05.

friends but I do not feel I can friends but I do not feel I can

:16:05.:16:06.

because I want to be watching my because I want to be watching my

:16:06.:16:07.

because I want to be watching my because I want to be watching my

:16:07.:16:08.

mum, making sure she is OK and everything.

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everything. everything.

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everything. To top it all, they are now having

:16:10.:16:12.

To top it all, they are now having To top it all, they are now having

:16:12.:16:13.

To top it all, they are now having to move home. The council need the

:16:13.:16:14.

to move home. The council need the to move home. The council need the

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adapted house back for someone else adapted house back for someone else

:16:15.:16:21.

If you believe the official figures, If you believe the official figures,

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If you believe the official figures, there are around 175,000 children

:16:22.:16:23.

there are around 175,000 children there are around 175,000 children

:16:23.:16:23.

there are around 175,000 children who provide unpaid care to a family

:16:23.:16:25.

who provide unpaid care to a family who provide unpaid care to a family

:16:25.:16:26.

who provide unpaid care to a family member in the UK. But a survey by

:16:26.:16:27.

member in the UK. But a survey by member in the UK. But a survey by

:16:27.:16:28.

member in the UK. But a survey by the BBC found the actual number is

:16:28.:16:29.

the BBC found the actual number is the BBC found the actual number is

:16:29.:16:30.

the BBC found the actual number is four times that because so many do

:16:30.:16:31.

four times that because so many do four times that because so many do

:16:31.:16:41.
:16:41.:16:53.

Reece has got ADHD, autism, mild Reece has got ADHD, autism, mild

:16:53.:17:02.

brain damage, global developmental He has non-epileptic fits, he is an

:17:02.:17:03.

He has non-epileptic fits, he is an He has non-epileptic fits, he is an

:17:03.:17:04.

asthmatic, he has got allergies, he asthmatic, he has got allergies, he

:17:04.:17:11.

asthmatic, he has got allergies, he suffers from chest infections. The

:17:11.:17:12.

suffers from chest infections. The suffers from chest infections. The

:17:12.:17:13.

suffers from chest infections. The fight that child has got in him

:17:13.:17:17.

fight that child has got in him does actually surprised me.

:17:17.:17:18.

does actually surprised me. does actually surprised me.

:17:18.:17:19.

does actually surprised me. Kylie is 13 and juggles school life

:17:19.:17:20.

Kylie is 13 and juggles school life Kylie is 13 and juggles school life

:17:20.:17:22.

with looking after her brother. She with looking after her brother. She

:17:22.:17:23.

with looking after her brother. She with looking after her brother. She

:17:23.:17:24.

tries to keep it secret because she tries to keep it secret because she

:17:24.:17:25.

tries to keep it secret because she has been bullied by other children

:17:25.:17:26.

has been bullied by other children has been bullied by other children

:17:26.:17:27.

has been bullied by other children in the past. Is that good? Do you

:17:27.:17:29.

like that? like that?

:17:29.:17:30.

like that? The judgements they make, like they

:17:30.:17:31.

The judgements they make, like they The judgements they make, like they

:17:31.:17:32.

The judgements they make, like they might talk behind my back, so I

:17:32.:17:33.

might talk behind my back, so I might talk behind my back, so I

:17:33.:17:34.

would rather not tell them about would rather not tell them about

:17:34.:17:35.

would rather not tell them about would rather not tell them about

:17:35.:17:36.

Reece and then they might not do it. Reece and then they might not do it.

:17:36.:17:38.

Reece and then they might not do it. I just keep it to myself.

:17:38.:17:39.

I just keep it to myself. I just keep it to myself.

:17:39.:17:40.

I just keep it to myself. At one point, I could not have done

:17:40.:17:42.

At one point, I could not have done At one point, I could not have done

:17:42.:17:42.

this without Kylie because I had this without Kylie because I had

:17:42.:17:43.

this without Kylie because I had this without Kylie because I had

:17:44.:17:51.

been ill myself, I could not have Put your hand on to the wrist, your

:17:51.:17:52.

Put your hand on to the wrist, your Put your hand on to the wrist, your

:17:52.:17:53.

Put your hand on to the wrist, your thumb extended onto the back of the

:17:53.:17:55.

hand. hand.

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hand. Tonight, Labelled is running a

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Tonight, Labelled is running a Tonight, Labelled is running a

:17:57.:17:57.

self-defence class and they have self-defence class and they have

:17:57.:17:58.

self-defence class and they have invited some people who could help

:17:58.:17:59.

invited some people who could help invited some people who could help

:17:59.:18:00.

the group in the future. Cheryl the group in the future. Cheryl

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the group in the future. Cheryl O'Neill is head of Leicester City

:18:01.:18:02.

O'Neill is head of Leicester City O'Neill is head of Leicester City

:18:02.:18:03.

Council's family services and Nikky Council's family services and Nikky

:18:03.:18:06.

Thompson is from Barnardos. Thompson is from Barnardos.

:18:06.:18:16.
:18:16.:18:18.

Thompson is from Barnardos. Cheryl, are you glad you came down

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tonight? tonight?

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tonight? tonight?

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Very glad. It is really good to see Very glad. It is really good to see

:18:27.:18:27.

Very glad. It is really good to see the group that they described in

:18:27.:18:28.

the group that they described in the group that they described in

:18:28.:18:29.

action, very positive. And humbling action, very positive. And humbling

:18:29.:18:30.

in many respects. in many respects.

:18:30.:18:32.

in many respects. in many respects.

:18:32.:18:32.

Kylie has also come along. It is Kylie has also come along. It is

:18:32.:18:33.

Kylie has also come along. It is Kylie has also come along. It is

:18:33.:18:34.

the first time she has met the group.

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group. group.

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group. What did you learn? A couple of

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What did you learn? A couple of What did you learn? A couple of

:18:38.:18:39.

moves? Yes.Excellent. Was it moves? Yes.Excellent. Was it

:18:39.:18:40.

moves? Yes.Excellent. Was it moves? Yes.Excellent. Was it

:18:40.:18:40.

tiring, because there is a lot of tiring, because there is a lot of

:18:40.:18:41.

tiring, because there is a lot of physical stuff there? I think I

:18:41.:18:42.

physical stuff there? I think I physical stuff there? I think I

:18:42.:18:43.

physical stuff there? I think I have gained a lot of confidence as

:18:43.:18:48.

have gained a lot of confidence as well. That's fantastic, excellent.

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well. That's fantastic, excellent. well. That's fantastic, excellent.

:18:49.:18:52.

You've got your own room? Jasmin You've got your own room? Jasmin

:18:52.:18:53.

You've got your own room? Jasmin You've got your own room? Jasmin

:18:53.:18:54.

and her mum and sister have finally and her mum and sister have finally

:18:54.:18:55.

and her mum and sister have finally and her mum and sister have finally

:18:55.:18:56.

been given a new home by the been given a new home by the

:18:56.:18:57.

been given a new home by the council and they are moving in

:18:57.:19:05.

It has been a rough road for these It has been a rough road for these

:19:05.:19:06.

It has been a rough road for these guys but things are starting to

:19:06.:19:09.

guys but things are starting to guys but things are starting to

:19:09.:19:09.

guys but things are starting to look up now. They have got quite a

:19:09.:19:10.

look up now. They have got quite a look up now. They have got quite a

:19:11.:19:11.

look up now. They have got quite a lot of work to do to make this

:19:11.:19:12.

lot of work to do to make this lot of work to do to make this

:19:12.:19:13.

lot of work to do to make this place a home, but with the right

:19:13.:19:14.

place a home, but with the right place a home, but with the right

:19:14.:19:15.

support, I reckon things are going support, I reckon things are going

:19:15.:19:16.

to look up. to look up.

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to look up. to look up.

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Now, back in the 1930s, boxer Billy Now, back in the 1930s, boxer Billy

:19:18.:19:18.

Now, back in the 1930s, boxer Billy Evans was known as Shropshire's

:19:19.:19:22.

Evans was known as Shropshire's Evans was known as Shropshire's

:19:22.:19:23.

leading welterweight. But 80 years leading welterweight. But 80 years

:19:23.:19:24.

leading welterweight. But 80 years on, hardly anything is known about

:19:24.:19:25.

on, hardly anything is known about on, hardly anything is known about

:19:25.:19:26.

this forgotten fighter. So just how this forgotten fighter. So just how

:19:26.:19:27.

this forgotten fighter. So just how good was he? Richie Woodhall has

:19:27.:19:34.

good was he? Richie Woodhall has When I became world super

:19:34.:19:35.

When I became world super When I became world super

:19:35.:19:36.

middleweight champion in 1998, I middleweight champion in 1998, I

:19:36.:19:37.

middleweight champion in 1998, I thought I had managed to put

:19:37.:19:38.

thought I had managed to put thought I had managed to put

:19:38.:19:43.

Shropshire firmly on the sporting But I'm not sure I was the first

:19:43.:19:44.

But I'm not sure I was the first But I'm not sure I was the first

:19:44.:19:45.

But I'm not sure I was the first boxer from round here to do that.

:19:45.:19:46.

boxer from round here to do that. boxer from round here to do that.

:19:46.:19:47.

boxer from round here to do that. I have had this poster for seven or

:19:47.:19:48.

I have had this poster for seven or I have had this poster for seven or

:19:48.:19:49.

I have had this poster for seven or eight years, and there is one name

:19:49.:19:50.

eight years, and there is one name eight years, and there is one name

:19:50.:19:51.

eight years, and there is one name that has always intrigued me. It is

:19:51.:19:52.

that has always intrigued me. It is that has always intrigued me. It is

:19:52.:19:55.

this one here. Billy Evans. Why? this one here. Billy Evans. Why?

:19:55.:19:56.

this one here. Billy Evans. Why? Because he was from Wellington, he

:19:56.:19:57.

Because he was from Wellington, he was Shropshire's leading

:19:57.:19:58.

was Shropshire's leading was Shropshire's leading

:19:58.:19:58.

welterweight and this boxing fight, welterweight and this boxing fight,

:19:58.:19:59.

welterweight and this boxing fight, this tournament was, I think, from

:19:59.:20:08.

But I have always been dying to But I have always been dying to

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But I have always been dying to But I have always been dying to

:20:09.:20:10.

know more. If he was a leading know more. If he was a leading

:20:10.:20:11.

know more. If he was a leading know more. If he was a leading

:20:11.:20:12.

boxer, how come I have never heard boxer, how come I have never heard

:20:12.:20:13.

boxer, how come I have never heard boxer, how come I have never heard

:20:13.:20:14.

of him? The few records I have of him? The few records I have

:20:14.:20:15.

of him? The few records I have of him? The few records I have

:20:15.:20:17.

found suggest he was boxing in the found suggest he was boxing in the

:20:17.:20:18.

found suggest he was boxing in the 1930s. There was also a Buller

:20:18.:20:19.

1930s. There was also a Buller Evans, welterweight champion of

:20:19.:20:22.

Evans, welterweight champion of Evans, welterweight champion of

:20:22.:20:24.

Shropshire. I think that might be Shropshire. I think that might be

:20:24.:20:25.

Shropshire. I think that might be him too. Boxing was different in

:20:25.:20:26.

him too. Boxing was different in him too. Boxing was different in

:20:26.:20:29.

those days. It was much more those days. It was much more

:20:29.:20:30.

those days. It was much more widespread. Variety shows and fairs

:20:30.:20:33.

widespread. Variety shows and fairs staged fights for entertainment.

:20:33.:20:34.

staged fights for entertainment. Travelling boxing booths meant

:20:34.:20:35.

Travelling boxing booths meant Travelling boxing booths meant

:20:35.:20:36.

Travelling boxing booths meant anyone could get in the ring. The

:20:36.:20:37.

anyone could get in the ring. The anyone could get in the ring. The

:20:37.:20:38.

anyone could get in the ring. The country was also in the grip of a

:20:38.:20:39.

country was also in the grip of a country was also in the grip of a

:20:39.:20:40.

depression and men fought just to depression and men fought just to

:20:40.:20:42.

depression and men fought just to depression and men fought just to

:20:42.:20:43.

put food on the table. So who was put food on the table. So who was

:20:43.:20:49.

put food on the table. So who was Miles Templeton is boxing historian

:20:49.:20:50.

Miles Templeton is boxing historian Miles Templeton is boxing historian

:20:50.:20:54.

who holds fight records for over who holds fight records for over

:20:54.:20:55.

who holds fight records for over 36,000 boxers. If anyone can tell

:20:55.:20:56.

36,000 boxers. If anyone can tell 36,000 boxers. If anyone can tell

:20:56.:20:57.

36,000 boxers. If anyone can tell me about boxing in the 1930s, it is

:20:57.:21:01.

me about boxing in the 1930s, it is me about boxing in the 1930s, it is

:21:01.:21:02.

me about boxing in the 1930s, it is going to be him. There were many

:21:02.:21:03.

going to be him. There were many going to be him. There were many

:21:03.:21:04.

going to be him. There were many more boxers, perhaps 10 or 20 times

:21:04.:21:05.

more boxers, perhaps 10 or 20 times more boxers, perhaps 10 or 20 times

:21:05.:21:05.

more boxers, perhaps 10 or 20 times the number that we have today. Lads

:21:06.:21:06.

the number that we have today. Lads were turning professional at

:21:06.:21:07.

were turning professional at were turning professional at

:21:07.:21:08.

were turning professional at perhaps 14 or 15 years old. Which

:21:08.:21:09.

perhaps 14 or 15 years old. Which perhaps 14 or 15 years old. Which

:21:09.:21:11.

certainly is not the case today. certainly is not the case today.

:21:11.:21:12.

certainly is not the case today. certainly is not the case today.

:21:12.:21:13.

They were having a lot of fights They were having a lot of fights

:21:13.:21:13.

They were having a lot of fights and not earning necessarily that

:21:13.:21:14.

and not earning necessarily that and not earning necessarily that

:21:15.:21:15.

much money. In Wellington for much money. In Wellington for

:21:15.:21:16.

much money. In Wellington for instance, in the 1930s, there was

:21:16.:21:17.

instance, in the 1930s, there was instance, in the 1930s, there was

:21:17.:21:18.

instance, in the 1930s, there was boxing at the Town Hall, boxing at

:21:18.:21:19.

boxing at the Town Hall, boxing at boxing at the Town Hall, boxing at

:21:19.:21:20.

boxing at the Town Hall, boxing at Baths Hall, and the Drill Hall and

:21:20.:21:21.

Baths Hall, and the Drill Hall and Baths Hall, and the Drill Hall and

:21:21.:21:22.

also at the football ground. This also at the football ground. This

:21:22.:21:25.

is professional boxing in is professional boxing in

:21:25.:21:26.

is professional boxing in Wellington. What about our boxer,

:21:26.:21:27.

Wellington. What about our boxer, Wellington. What about our boxer,

:21:27.:21:28.

Billy Evans? Have you found out Billy Evans? Have you found out

:21:28.:21:31.

Billy Evans? Have you found out Billy Evans? Have you found out

:21:31.:21:31.

anything about him? I have, yes. I anything about him? I have, yes. I

:21:31.:21:32.

anything about him? I have, yes. I anything about him? I have, yes. I

:21:32.:21:34.

have found a record of him boxing have found a record of him boxing

:21:34.:21:34.

have found a record of him boxing have found a record of him boxing

:21:34.:21:35.

in quite a number of places around in quite a number of places around

:21:35.:21:36.

in quite a number of places around here, including in Wellington. Also

:21:36.:21:37.

here, including in Wellington. Also here, including in Wellington. Also

:21:37.:21:38.

here, including in Wellington. Also at Oreleton Park, in the open air,

:21:38.:21:43.

at Oreleton Park, in the open air, at Oreleton Park, in the open air,

:21:43.:21:44.

at Oreleton Park, in the open air, in the late '30s. Also, he boxed

:21:44.:21:45.

in the late '30s. Also, he boxed in the late '30s. Also, he boxed

:21:45.:21:46.

over in Lincolnshire which is, I over in Lincolnshire which is, I

:21:46.:21:47.

over in Lincolnshire which is, I think, where your poster is from,

:21:47.:21:48.

think, where your poster is from, think, where your poster is from,

:21:48.:21:49.

Spalding. The show at Oreleton Park Spalding. The show at Oreleton Park

:21:49.:21:50.

Spalding. The show at Oreleton Park Spalding. The show at Oreleton Park

:21:50.:21:51.

took place in 1936. I have got the took place in 1936. I have got the

:21:51.:21:52.

took place in 1936. I have got the report here from Boxing News. Here

:21:52.:21:55.

report here from Boxing News. Here report here from Boxing News. Here

:21:56.:21:56.

report here from Boxing News. Here it is. Wellington. And up here is

:21:56.:21:57.

it is. Wellington. And up here is it is. Wellington. And up here is

:21:57.:21:58.

your man Billy, or referred to your man Billy, or referred to

:21:58.:22:01.

your man Billy, or referred to your man Billy, or referred to

:22:01.:22:02.

there as Buller Evans. Is this the there as Buller Evans. Is this the

:22:02.:22:03.

there as Buller Evans. Is this the there as Buller Evans. Is this the

:22:03.:22:06.

same man, yes? I think it is, yes. same man, yes? I think it is, yes.

:22:06.:22:07.

same man, yes? I think it is, yes. same man, yes? I think it is, yes.

:22:07.:22:07.

His name is Billy Evans and he His name is Billy Evans and he

:22:07.:22:08.

His name is Billy Evans and he probably has the nickname Buller

:22:08.:22:10.

probably has the nickname Buller probably has the nickname Buller

:22:10.:22:11.

Evans. Billy Buller Evans rings Evans. Billy Buller Evans rings

:22:11.:22:12.

Evans. Billy Buller Evans rings Evans. Billy Buller Evans rings

:22:12.:22:13.

true. In your opinion, what are my true. In your opinion, what are my

:22:13.:22:14.

true. In your opinion, what are my chances of finding out any more

:22:14.:22:17.

chances of finding out any more chances of finding out any more

:22:17.:22:18.

about Billy Evans? Well, going back about Billy Evans? Well, going back

:22:18.:22:19.

about Billy Evans? Well, going back to old documents, you'll find

:22:19.:22:20.

to old documents, you'll find to old documents, you'll find

:22:20.:22:21.

reference to him, particularly in reference to him, particularly in

:22:21.:22:23.

reference to him, particularly in the library, the old newspapers.

:22:23.:22:24.

the library, the old newspapers. the library, the old newspapers.

:22:24.:22:25.

the library, the old newspapers. There will be reports on him in

:22:25.:22:30.

There will be reports on him in There will be reports on him in

:22:30.:22:31.

There will be reports on him in there. But to make him come alive,

:22:31.:22:32.

there. But to make him come alive, there. But to make him come alive,

:22:32.:22:33.

there. But to make him come alive, I think you will have to find... It

:22:33.:22:34.

I think you will have to find... It I think you will have to find... It

:22:34.:22:35.

I think you will have to find... It is not going to be easy. I think

:22:35.:22:36.

is not going to be easy. I think is not going to be easy. I think

:22:36.:22:37.

is not going to be easy. I think you will have to find some living

:22:37.:22:38.

you will have to find some living you will have to find some living

:22:38.:22:39.

you will have to find some living relative who will be able to paint

:22:39.:22:40.

relative who will be able to paint relative who will be able to paint

:22:40.:22:41.

relative who will be able to paint a more complete picture of the man.

:22:41.:22:42.

a more complete picture of the man. a more complete picture of the man.

:22:42.:22:42.

Billy Buller Evans. He was Billy Buller Evans. He was

:22:42.:22:43.

Billy Buller Evans. He was definitely a boxer. Never heard of

:22:43.:22:44.

him. OK. him. OK.

:22:44.:22:45.

him. OK. him. OK.

:22:45.:22:46.

I think Miles is right. The chances I think Miles is right. The chances

:22:46.:22:47.

I think Miles is right. The chances of finding anything about him or

:22:47.:22:48.

of finding anything about him or of finding anything about him or

:22:48.:22:49.

his family look very slim indeed. his family look very slim indeed.

:22:49.:22:50.

his family look very slim indeed. No-one seems to have heard about

:22:50.:22:55.

So I ask BBC radio Shropshire if So I ask BBC radio Shropshire if

:22:55.:22:56.

So I ask BBC radio Shropshire if So I ask BBC radio Shropshire if

:22:56.:22:57.

they can help me find out anything about him.

:22:57.:22:58.

about him. about him.

:22:58.:22:59.

Our colleagues at BBC Inside Out Our colleagues at BBC Inside Out

:22:59.:23:00.

Our colleagues at BBC Inside Out Our colleagues at BBC Inside Out

:23:00.:23:01.

are doing some research so they can are doing some research so they can

:23:01.:23:02.

are doing some research so they can tell the story of a Shropshire

:23:02.:23:05.

tell the story of a Shropshire tell the story of a Shropshire

:23:05.:23:05.

tell the story of a Shropshire boxer from the 1930s. He was called

:23:05.:23:08.

Billy Evans. Billy Evans.

:23:08.:23:09.

Billy Evans. You will never guess what happens

:23:09.:23:11.

next. next.

:23:11.:23:12.

next. Here's something for you because I

:23:12.:23:13.

Here's something for you because I Here's something for you because I

:23:13.:23:14.

remember that in my mother and remember that in my mother and

:23:14.:23:15.

remember that in my mother and father-in-law's house, they have a

:23:15.:23:16.

father-in-law's house, they have a father-in-law's house, they have a

:23:16.:23:17.

boxing poster, similar to the one boxing poster, similar to the one

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boxing poster, similar to the one you have described. I phoned my

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you have described. I phoned my you have described. I phoned my

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mother-in-law about 15 minutes ago mother-in-law about 15 minutes ago

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mother-in-law about 15 minutes ago mother-in-law about 15 minutes ago

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to get her to check if the name to get her to check if the name

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to get her to check if the name to get her to check if the name

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Billy Evans was on there. This is Billy Evans was on there. This is

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Billy Evans was on there. This is from the Drill Hall in Bridgnorth.

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from the Drill Hall in Bridgnorth. from the Drill Hall in Bridgnorth.

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Thursday, December the 8th, 1932. Thursday, December the 8th, 1932.

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Thursday, December the 8th, 1932. Thursday, December the 8th, 1932.

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It is the original poster and they It is the original poster and they

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It is the original poster and they It is the original poster and they

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have had it framed. Billy Evans is have had it framed. Billy Evans is

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have had it framed. Billy Evans is fighting a six round contest

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fighting a six round contest fighting a six round contest

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against Bert Kid Johnson and that against Bert Kid Johnson and that

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against Bert Kid Johnson and that is her father. My mother-in-law's

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is her father. My mother-in-law's is her father. My mother-in-law's

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is her father. My mother-in-law's father. That is... Are you having a

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father. That is... Are you having a father. That is... Are you having a

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father. That is... Are you having a laugh? No, I am honestly not having

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laugh? No, I am honestly not having laugh? No, I am honestly not having

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laugh? No, I am honestly not having a laugh. I could not believe it

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a laugh. I could not believe it a laugh. I could not believe it

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a laugh. I could not believe it either. She came back to the phone

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either. She came back to the phone either. She came back to the phone

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and said, "Yes, he's fighting my That was amazing. I really feel I

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That was amazing. I really feel I That was amazing. I really feel I

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That was amazing. I really feel I am that close to finding out who

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am that close to finding out who am that close to finding out who

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am that close to finding out who this guy was. But it is also

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this guy was. But it is also this guy was. But it is also

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frustrating because we still have frustrating because we still have

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frustrating because we still have not found anyone who actually knew

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not found anyone who actually knew not found anyone who actually knew

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not found anyone who actually knew him. So we try tweeting about him

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him. So we try tweeting about him him. So we try tweeting about him

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him. So we try tweeting about him as well. Am I ever going to find

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as well. Am I ever going to find as well. Am I ever going to find

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as well. Am I ever going to find out who this guy was? Just an hour

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out who this guy was? Just an hour out who this guy was? Just an hour

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later, there is a reply from later, there is a reply from

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later, there is a reply from someone at Wellington News. Could

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someone at Wellington News. Could someone at Wellington News. Could

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this be the breakthrough I'm this be the breakthrough I'm

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this be the breakthrough I'm looking for? We may have found

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looking for? We may have found somebody who knew Billy.

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somebody who knew Billy. somebody who knew Billy.

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He was actually a fairground boxer, He was actually a fairground boxer,

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He was actually a fairground boxer, boxing in the booths. I believe

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boxing in the booths. I believe boxing in the booths. I believe

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boxing in the booths. I believe that he didn't lose one fight, so

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that he didn't lose one fight, so that he didn't lose one fight, so

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that he didn't lose one fight, so he must have been very, very tough.

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he must have been very, very tough. he must have been very, very tough.

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Martin's wife lived next door to Martin's wife lived next door to

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Martin's wife lived next door to Martin's wife lived next door to

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Billy when she was growing up. At Billy when she was growing up. At

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Billy when she was growing up. At Billy when she was growing up. At

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last, I get to hear something about last, I get to hear something about

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last, I get to hear something about last, I get to hear something about

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the man himself. Did you ever step the man himself. Did you ever step

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the man himself. Did you ever step the man himself. Did you ever step

:24:45.:24:46.

in the ring with him? Sort of. One in the ring with him? Sort of. One

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in the ring with him? Sort of. One in the ring with him? Sort of. One

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day, he said to me, "I want to day, he said to me, "I want to

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day, he said to me, "I want to demonstrate my knockout blow. Don't

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demonstrate my knockout blow. Don't demonstrate my knockout blow. Don't

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demonstrate my knockout blow. Don't worry, I'm not really going to hit

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worry, I'm not really going to hit worry, I'm not really going to hit

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worry, I'm not really going to hit you." He gave me a slight tap on

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you." He gave me a slight tap on you." He gave me a slight tap on

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you." He gave me a slight tap on the chin and it nearly took my head

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the chin and it nearly took my head the chin and it nearly took my head

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the chin and it nearly took my head off. I thought, "My God, if you are

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off. I thought, "My God, if you are off. I thought, "My God, if you are

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off. I thought, "My God, if you are this tough now in your 90s, what

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this tough now in your 90s, what this tough now in your 90s, what

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this tough now in your 90s, what must it have been like facing you

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must it have been like facing you must it have been like facing you

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must it have been like facing you in the boxing ring?" And his family,

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in the boxing ring?" And his family, in the boxing ring?" And his family,

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in the boxing ring?" And his family, are there any of his family around?

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are there any of his family around? are there any of his family around?

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are there any of his family around? Yes, I believe his son Ray lives

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Yes, I believe his son Ray lives Yes, I believe his son Ray lives

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over in Leominster. So Buller has over in Leominster. So Buller has

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over in Leominster. So Buller has got a son. Fantastic. A living

:25:09.:25:10.

got a son. Fantastic. A living got a son. Fantastic. A living

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got a son. Fantastic. A living relative. He can tell me all about

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relative. He can tell me all about relative. He can tell me all about

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relative. He can tell me all about his fights. I believe his name is

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his fights. I believe his name is his fights. I believe his name is

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Ray. He lives in Leominster, let's Ray. He lives in Leominster, let's

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And it gets better. There is still And it gets better. There is still

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And it gets better. There is still And it gets better. There is still

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a Ray Evans living at the address a Ray Evans living at the address

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a Ray Evans living at the address Martin gave me. Hello, this is

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Martin gave me. Hello, this is Martin gave me. Hello, this is

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Richie Woodhall here. And I Richie Woodhall here. And I

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Richie Woodhall here. And I Richie Woodhall here. And I

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speaking to Dr Ray Evans? You are, speaking to Dr Ray Evans? You are,

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speaking to Dr Ray Evans? You are, yes. Hello, there.I am fine,

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yes. Hello, there.I am fine, yes. Hello, there.I am fine,

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yes. Hello, there.I am fine, thanks. A bit of a surprise. I am

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thanks. A bit of a surprise. I am thanks. A bit of a surprise. I am

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looking for an old boxer from looking for an old boxer from

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Wellington, Shropshire, called Wellington, Shropshire, called

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Wellington, Shropshire, called Billy Buller Evans. Do you know

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Billy Buller Evans. Do you know Billy Buller Evans. Do you know

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Billy Buller Evans. Do you know anything about him? Yes. He was my

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anything about him? Yes. He was my anything about him? Yes. He was my

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father. He was your father? My father. He was your father? My

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father. He was your father? My father. That's fantastic! The old

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father. That's fantastic! The old father. That's fantastic! The old

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Buller. Yes. The old Buller. Buller. Yes. The old Buller.

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Buller. Yes. The old Buller. Buller. Yes. The old Buller.

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Tremendous. Can I come and see you Tremendous. Can I come and see you

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Tremendous. Can I come and see you Tremendous. Can I come and see you

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and talk about him to you? Well, of He was born in 1900 in Bolton. Why

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He was born in 1900 in Bolton. Why He was born in 1900 in Bolton. Why

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He was born in 1900 in Bolton. Why He was born in 1900 in Bolton. Why

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Bolton I do not know. He was not a Bolton I do not know. He was not a

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Bolton I do not know. He was not a Shropshire man. This was a bit

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Shropshire man. This was a bit Shropshire man. This was a bit

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Shropshire man. This was a bit mysterious. I do not know where my

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mysterious. I do not know where my mysterious. I do not know where my

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grandfather was born. Anyhow, in grandfather was born. Anyhow, in

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grandfather was born. Anyhow, in grandfather was born. Anyhow, in

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1900, he took off to Ireland from 1900, he took off to Ireland from

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1900, he took off to Ireland from Bolton. Again, nobody knows why. My

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Bolton. Again, nobody knows why. My Bolton. Again, nobody knows why. My

:26:34.:26:35.

Bolton. Again, nobody knows why. My father was only a baby and he spent

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father was only a baby and he spent father was only a baby and he spent

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father was only a baby and he spent the first 12 years of his life in

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the first 12 years of his life in the first 12 years of his life in

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Ireland. After they returned to Ireland. After they returned to

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Ireland. After they returned to England, Billy joined the Army and

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England, Billy joined the Army and England, Billy joined the Army and

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England, Billy joined the Army and it was here that he began boxing.

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it was here that he began boxing. Eventually, he settled in

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Eventually, he settled in Eventually, he settled in

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Wellington and continued to box in Wellington and continued to box in

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Wellington and continued to box in the fairground booths. He started

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the fairground booths. He started the fairground booths. He started

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boxing with Albert Barton's boxing boxing with Albert Barton's boxing

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boxing with Albert Barton's boxing booth. For long periods, he was

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booth. For long periods, he was booth. For long periods, he was

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away with the booth travelling. away with the booth travelling.

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away with the booth travelling. Periodically, when he came home, he

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Periodically, when he came home, he Periodically, when he came home, he

:27:06.:27:07.

would get a telegram from Albert would get a telegram from Albert

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would get a telegram from Albert saying, "Can you come?" With some

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saying, "Can you come?" With some saying, "Can you come?" With some

:27:10.:27:11.

money for the fair. Wherever they money for the fair. Wherever they

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money for the fair. Wherever they money for the fair. Wherever they

:27:12.:27:13.

were. And he went on boxing with were. And he went on boxing with

:27:13.:27:14.

were. And he went on boxing with the booth until about the early

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the booth until about the early the booth until about the early

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the booth until about the early 1930s. I've got a poster of him

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1930s. I've got a poster of him 1930s. I've got a poster of him

:27:20.:27:23.

from the mid-30s, about about 1936. from the mid-30s, about about 1936.

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from the mid-30s, about about 1936. from the mid-30s, about about 1936.

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He was around 40 years of age then. He was around 40 years of age then.

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He was around 40 years of age then. He was around 40 years of age then.

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I think almost his last fight was I think almost his last fight was

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I think almost his last fight was at the Conservative fete in

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at the Conservative fete in at the Conservative fete in

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Wellington in 1936. With this chap Wellington in 1936. With this chap

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Wellington in 1936. With this chap called Jack Seesarego. It's one of

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called Jack Seesarego. It's one of called Jack Seesarego. It's one of

:27:40.:27:43.

called Jack Seesarego. It's one of the few fights I actually saw. He

:27:43.:27:44.

the few fights I actually saw. He won it on points.

:27:44.:27:45.

won it on points. won it on points.

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won it on points. And Ray had one last surprise for

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And Ray had one last surprise for And Ray had one last surprise for

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And Ray had one last surprise for me. That is the bill I have got!

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me. That is the bill I have got! me. That is the bill I have got!

:27:50.:27:51.

me. That is the bill I have got! That's the one I've got. The actual

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That's the one I've got. The actual That's the one I've got. The actual

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That's the one I've got. The actual bill. That is the one I've got.

:27:53.:27:54.

bill. That is the one I've got. bill. That is the one I've got.

:27:54.:27:54.

bill. That is the one I've got. I've got the larger version of that.

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I've got the larger version of that. I've got the larger version of that.

:27:56.:27:57.

Billy Evans. I've been looking at Billy Evans. I've been looking at

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Billy Evans. I've been looking at this for years thinking, "Who is

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this for years thinking, "Who is this fellow from Wellington?"

:27:59.:28:01.

this fellow from Wellington?" Shropshire's leading welter. That

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Shropshire's leading welter. That Shropshire's leading welter. That

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Shropshire's leading welter. That is it. Billy Buller Evans. The so-

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is it. Billy Buller Evans. The so- called welterweight champion of

:28:07.:28:16.

called welterweight champion of Well, that's it for tonight. Don't

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Well, that's it for tonight. Don't Well, that's it for tonight. Don't

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forget, you can find more forget, you can find more

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forget, you can find more information about any of the films

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information about any of the films information about any of the films

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on tonight's programme on our Facebook page. But from Birmingham

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Facebook page. But from Birmingham Facebook page. But from Birmingham

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City Amateur Boxing Club, good On next week's programme, we look

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On next week's programme, we look On next week's programme, we look

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On next week's programme, we look at the �615 million black hole in

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at the �615 million black hole in Birmingham City Council's finances.

:28:37.:28:38.

Birmingham City Council's finances. Birmingham City Council's finances.

:28:38.:28:39.

Birmingham City Council's finances. And a Brummie teenager asks the man

:28:39.:28:40.

And a Brummie teenager asks the man And a Brummie teenager asks the man

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And a Brummie teenager asks the man at the top what hope there is for

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