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Hello from Cheltenham, where we're investigating some outlandish

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claims being made by a self-styled spiritual healer. Tonight we go

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undercover to expose the special diet she claims will treat cancer.

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It makes me feel the really angry when I hear what she wanted me to

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do. The spirit guide told her what she wanted me to eat.

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Also tonight, too old to get a mortgage. We follow a couple forced

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to sell their business because of their age. We are not making a

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fortune, but we love it, and I want to carry on if. And we meet a group

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of women from Weston-super-Mare addicted to entering competitions.

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I have been to Paris on Concorde. You win things you can buy.

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I'm Alastair McKee, and this is Cancer. The search for a cure has

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taken scientists to the edge of medical knowledge. But there are

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those who claim they already have some of the answers - alternative

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healers who say they have the power to treat cancer at a price. We're

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investigating a self-styled spiritual healer who claims her

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special diets hold the key to treating cancer. It's a very well-

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tested formula. Our undercover team takes a cancer survivor to see for

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himself what she offers. If I had followed the approach and advice

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that she was suggesting, I just wouldn't be here now. And even our

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real cancer expert is shocked by what he sees. If you want to stop

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cancer, you have to get high doses of quality calcium. You know this

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kind of thing goes on, but to actually see it happening is quite

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scary. And it gets worse she believes her treatments used on

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animals might have saved a woman who died from her cancer. I thought

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that she would be like a dog. Unfortunately, it ended that way,

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but even so she gained ten years. This is Dr Corascendea Cathar. Here

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at her Cheltenham-based centre of healing, she sells a treatment

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called Dhaxem. On her website, she says Dhaxem is the ultimate form of

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healing and she is its sole master. But among her more outlandish

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claims, we've discovered something disturbing. Dr Cathar claims she

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can help heal cancer. In the past, she has claimed miraculous results.

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It may sound ridiculous, but there are plenty of people who are

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desperate to believe such claims. When you're told you only have a

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few months to live, you are very desperate, and people go out

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naturally to the internet as probably the first place now

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looking for any cure, however crazy, however expensive. Chris Geiger is

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a writer from Somerset. He uses his experience of cancer to give others

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hope after being successfully treated in his mid-twenties. So I

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was diagnosed with cancer, non- Hodgkin's lymphoma. I had a tumour

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in my chest, the size of a dinner plate. It's wedged between my heart

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and my lungs and, when you put it up here, you can see the real size

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of this thing. I had two years' worth of treatment. I tried

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anything within reason that would try and help me. Many sufferers

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turn to internet medical forums for help, and that's where Dr Cathar

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has touted her Dhaxem treatment. But much of what she's claimed is

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just plain wrong. How can you say smoking does not cause cancer? On

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this forum here we've got someone asking "My mum has got cancer - can

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you help?" Oh my God, she's talking about her animal, "my dog". "I

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healed her with food and natural remedies." So she's comparing her

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treatment for her dog to this poor girl whose mother's got cancer.

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Cathar uses these forums to steer people to her own website where she

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offers a healing session for �280, despite it being against the law to

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Chris has agreed to go undercover for us to find out exactly what Dr

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Cathar offers in person. I'm going under cover because I want to stop

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people like this taking advantage of sick, ill and desperate people

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who have been told their disease may kill them soon. In the meantime,

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we've done some more digging on our mysterious healer. Before she

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changed her name, Dr Cathar was Dagmar Ebster-Grosz. She is indeed

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a doctor and has worked in the NHS, but she's no medical expert. Her

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qualification is a doctorate in sociology and philosophy, and her

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work at hospitals in Gloucestershire was as a freelance

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Slovak translator. She is not qualified in any way to treat

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people with cancer. Dr Cathar claims her Dhaxem healing powers

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were given to her ten years ago by a spirit guide called Lysseus. This

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What he's taught Dr Cathar we're about to find out, thanks to our

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cancer survivor Chris. He's off to his appointment with our undercover

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Chris tells Dr Cathar his real medical history but, for our

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purposes, he's saying he's certain the cancer has returned. From the

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outset, it's clear this is far from a normal consultation. I had a

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tumour on my chest. I should have brought the X-ray, I've got an X-

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ray at home. No, I don't have to see that. The treatment itself is

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harmless if unusual. What are you But when it comes to Dr Cathar's

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dietary advice, things become even Dr Cathar also offers Chris a

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Medical experts have told us there's no scientific evidence this

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particular herbal remedy helps cancer patients. In fact it could

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be harmful to people with kidney problems. Chris has already told Dr

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Cathar he suffered from kidney Dr Cathar says she gave one patient

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the Dhaxem treatment after it had worked on her dog. Sadly that

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After two hours, Dr Cathar promises to draw up a Dhaxem diet for Chris

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and declines to take the �60 agreed for the session. Chris, who don't

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forget has battled cancer himself, has found the whole appointment

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deeply unsettling. I've just come back from a very interesting

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appointment. Two hours of listening to her. It makes me feel really

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angry when I hear what she was saying today, some of the

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suggestions she was saying, the diet her inner spirit told her what

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I should be eating. It just makes my blood boil. But what does the

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cancer expert think? This is Professor Chris Bunce. He's the

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research director for the charity Leukaemia and Lymphoma Research.

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And he's agreed to view our When her cancer came back, she

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decided to take all of her medication, and then it started to

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go very quickly down the hill. Chris you've seen all of the

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footage. What do you think about the advice she's giving? I think

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it's dangerous. Some of the alarming things in the footage that

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we saw was a total lack of understanding of the biology of

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cancer. I think the dialogue with the spirit whilst in the room I

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think that's very emotionally manipulative. And particularly in

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the case of relapsed patients, you've probably got the mindset

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that "the original treatment hasn't really worked as my cancer has come

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back" and the implication is when she's talking about the patient who

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took some of the medication there's a very strong inference that she

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believes that wasn't doing anything and her own therapy was stalling

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the progression of the cancer, and If Chris was as ill as he says he

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is in the footage, where would he be in a year's time following Dr

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Cathar's advice? It's difficult to tell, but the most likely outcome

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would be that his disease would progress to a stage where he was no

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longer recoverable, if he were indeed still alive. So would Dr

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Cathar's diet have been any good? You've got the diet sheet that Dr

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Cathar charged �90 for. What really stands out? At first sight, it

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looks a fairly unremarkable diet, but when you start to look into it

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there's more worrying things like the recommendation to drink white

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cabbage juice, a litre of it a day, because it beats cancer and

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supports kidneys at the same time. Claims to beat cancer? Yes, claims

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to beat cancer. That's a very dangerous claim. It's time to find

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out why Dr Cathar believes what she's doing can help cancer

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sufferers. We asked Dr Cathar for an interview on camera. She

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declined to talk to us, but she did We asked to speak to these clients,

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but Dr Cathar declined to put us in touch with them. Since we

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approached Dr Cathar, she has now stopped offering her Dhaxem healing

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treatment on the internet. Meanwhile, Chris hopes his

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undercover work will help encourage other cancer patients to look for

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I can totally understand how desperate people are. However, they

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should really take professional, qualified advice rather than just

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surfing the internet and believing the ludicrous stories and claims

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that they're reading on the It is a sign of the times that

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increasing numbers of people are working, running businesses and

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buying homes into their twilight years. But to support their

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lifestyles and plan for the future, all the people often have to

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rearrange their finances. So what happens if the banks take one look

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at your age and say no? Sam Smith has been finding out.

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For the Mawbys of Exmoor, these are still the salad days - a busy life

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of self-employment on the edge of Exmoor. Pulhams Mill is a bit of

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everything. Pauline runs a cafe and B&B. She even paints the china. Ian

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has his workshops, even an apprentice. It's a dream they

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literally built together. Everything we have done here, we

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We are not making a fortune, but I love it, and I want to carry on.

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So why is this man here? Michael Dukes, estate agent. Well, Ian and

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Pauline are being forced to sell. Pauline can't bear to watch.

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actually can't think about it too much or I get so upset cos it's

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obviously everything we've built up over last 32 years. And we don't

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want this situation to be. But we're being forced into it. I

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dont't know what else we can do. years of building this from what

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was a romantic ruin into a thriving little business with the lots of

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different Homs. Well, it's my life. The problem it's a life built with

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the help of interest-only mortgages. They total �250,000. And the deals

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are coming to an end. Ian's only options are to sell or re-finance.

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But at the age of 71, he can't find a lender. I phoned up every

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conceivable mortgage person and always the same answer. You

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wouldn't be able to pay it back because you are over 70 and you are

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retired. I'm not retired, I'm It was all very different when Ian

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got his loans. Back in the boom times.

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House prices are up to 18 times the average income in some areas of our

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region. Figures from the National Housing Federation suggests that

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the average house price is 18 times the average income.

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By 2007, interest only deals like aeons peaked at almost a third of

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all mortgages sold. The very next year, the bubble burst. It is

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reckoned that 1.5 million interest- only deals will end over the next

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decade. 80% with no repayment plan. More than half of interest only

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borrowers are now in their fifties or over.

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It is potentially a time bomb. He have people that cannot refinements,

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so what will they do? They have no options, so it will potentially be

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a big problem. Broker Ronan Marrion has seen more and more banks

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changed their age limits for lending. Lenders have taken at a

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frantic approach. I agree with that to a certain extent, but we have

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some very creditworthy borrowers who could keep the mortgage going

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for as long as they still live. Back at Pulhams Mill that is

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exactly what Ian wants to do, but Michael Jukes can offer little

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comfort. In your situation, it is an age

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issue, it seems. I have come across two or three others like that. They

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have been interest only arrangements and they have to add

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to their equity of their book and they are calling a halt to

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interest-free deals. Ian's self- employment is another thing lenders

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are wary of. He has never missed a repayment and he has close to

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�500,000 of equity. The total amount of mortgage i o his 250, but

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it is worth about three times that. If not more. In three years' time

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it might be worth nearly 1 million. So I just can't see what the risk

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is? So why are the big banks turning their backs on older

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customers? They are facing tighter rules around lending and penalties

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for poor decisions. Particularly among self-employed people who

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often tend to work longer, there can be good reasons for still

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having a mortgage in later life. Having said that, from a lender's

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point of view, the world has changed and they have to take into

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account the new regulatory responsibilities and of what good

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lending looks like in the future. The regulator, though, says there

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is no reason for banks to impose blanket age limits.

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The rules will potentially be tighter, but we expect lenders to

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be fair to their customers and we also need to remember that equality

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legislation does require lenders not to discriminate purely on the

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basis of age. It is already happening, though,

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lenders are reducing the age at which they are willing to lend.

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Lenders, generally, are asking tougher questions about

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affordability and about risk. But that should be regardless of age.

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Age should not be the only criteria that they think about. Do you want

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to have a quick look in here? You walk through there. Back at Pulhams

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Mill, the Mawby's are wondering why they should pay the price of

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banking caution. It is just not fair, I mean, we

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have never defaulted on our mortgage. The property has a lot of

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money and we are still making money. Even if we were in our Nineties the

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place would still run. Very unfair. 30 years is a long time to work and

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be faced with the fact we might have to sell it. Eventually we are

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going to pop our clocks and will have to sell it anyway, or

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something, but we need to do it when we want to do it rather than

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being forced. These are tough times, but there

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Mawby's are still hopeful they will find a backer of some sort he will

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help end the uncertainty that is dogging them now.

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None our final film tonight, we follow the comedienne Tom Craine as

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he takes up comping, the entering of numerous competitions to win

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anything from an all-expenses holiday, to a box of chocolates. As

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Tom discovers, it is not as simple as it looks.

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We all love getting something for free, but unlike these guys, I am

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not one of life's winners. I have been to Paris on Concorde. I raced

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with Nigel Mansell. A trip to Russia. I have been to China.

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weekend in a posh hotel in China. won singing lessons. You win things

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that she could not buy. By entering hundreds of

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competitions, these ladies have one life-changing experiences. My

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interest in competition started in my teens when a school friend won a

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ridiculous amount of money. My mum entered a competition on Ness lace

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cereals and there were five when has he got to select someone to

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take penalties at half-time of a big championship match. It was QPR

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versus Sheffield United. Half-time came and onto the pitch I went.

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Three penalties later, I had won a fair bit of money. How much? It was

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1 million French francs which was about �100,000. In front she would

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have been a millionaire? Indeed. Ever since Bob won his million, I

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have been intrigued by extreme competition entrants. I guess I got

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my 15 minutes of fame and became a local celebrity for a short amount

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of time and everyone was asking me for a 10 at school. Has that

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stopped cents? No. Can I have a tenner? No. My friend Bob who as a

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young team have won a ludicrous amount of money, 16 years later I

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am still jealous. On my deathbed I think a small part of me will still

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hate him. Despite his joy, there is a darker side to comping.

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Some compers are a far cry from Bob and his cereal box. At the moment,

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Elizabeth Shaw is running a competition to win a hamper of

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chocolate. We have had entrants from Russia, Australia, even though

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it is only open to residents in the UK, we have entrants from all over

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the world. After our first competition we had 2000 entries on

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a Monday and on Tuesday we had 25,000 entries. There goes my

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chance of winning chocolates. Composer of paying websites to

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enter hundreds of competitions and pay up to �30 per month for the

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privilege. Elizabeth Shaw's terms and conditions state that inches

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from automated sites are not allowed. We have to go through the

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database and look at various e-mail addresses and sift them out. We

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have spent over �2,000 trying to improve security and clean up the

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database. What were people trying to win here? No holidays, no houses,

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no cars, we are talking free chocolate. 25,000 people have paid

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up to �29 a month to win chocolate? I am going to see if I get bitten

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by this comping bug. At home on my computer the competitions I come

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across are not what I expect. It seems a lot of them are asking

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for personal details or for you to like their Facebook page. I am

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trying to avoid those things. A quiz on line is a bit pointless.

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Surely all they are asking there is if you can Duggal, nothing else. At

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this point I am looking to win a year's worth of dog food, I don't

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have a dog. Let's be honest, competitions are

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not just run for our benefit, they are there for companies like

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Elizabeth Shaw to get our details and sell to us. For small

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businesses with a limited marketing budget, automated comping sites are

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an expensive interest. The vast majority of competitions these days

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are to gather information. Rebecca James is a marketing expert with

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Big Leap. What would you tell someone, for

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example Elizabeth Shaw have had problems with thousands entering,

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how can you avoid that? It is about getting the matrix of the campaign

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working. Making sure that whatever price is you are going to give a

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way, you can afford to do. That always helps. But that there are

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very strict guidelines around who can enter, how many times they can

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enter. These ladies from the Compers Mentis grip hate automated

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sites. They meet every month to talk comping and they prefer a more

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traditional form. When I started, I concentrated on slogans. So you won

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a car with the slogan? What was it? I was motivated by the name and

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checked into buttery claim. regards to competitions Elizabeth

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Shaw are having, what is your feeling on that? If I was a small

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company with a limited budget and I wanted to make people aware of my

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company, I would not do anything on the internet competition related

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because you will get thousands of entries. If they had done the old

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fashioned way, entry form, there would have had far fewer entries,

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but all entries would have been valid. I you aware of website where

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people pay money and then thousands of competitions are entered on your

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behalf? De have a feeling on that? I don't think it is right at all.

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As he said, it has taken the scale out of doing competitions. The old

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style competition and tourists are disappearing, pretty much like us.

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There are lots of competitions on the internet. So I have been

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looking on line and found this website. Wines, cream eggs, fashion,

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jury, let's have a look. Trying to win a wedding dress. Let's do this.

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Website that lists competitions are big business. Oxfordshire press

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publishes two magazines and has a website. All of them list different

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competitions. The company has more than 15,000 paying customers. These

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services are all very different to automated services Elizabeth Shaw

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has encounter it, but Dave Gibson helps to run one of these website

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when customers paid to be entered into competitions.

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It is becoming far more difficult to do as promoters have realised

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they'd may not be achieving what they wanted out of the service. If

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I'm honest, I don't see along, I don't see it lasting for a long

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time. Dave is keen to point out that they limit automated entrance

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to 2000. I'm interested to hear that automated comping website are

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becoming less popular as businesses to run competitions start to close

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the loopholes. This will be music to the ears of Compers Mentis, the

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lovely group of ladies in Weston- super-Mare, but can I impress them

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with my comping success? I have entered pretty much every

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competition the internet has to offer. The prize I am hoping for

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most is a kaleidoscope, which is something I wasn't aware I wanted

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until now. Now why just wait so fingers crossed, we will see what

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happens. I still haven't heard anything, but

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here is hoping the postman will That is just about it this week,

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but don't forget you can keep in touch with what we are up to on

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biggest ever changes to the National Health Service.

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