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14/11/2011

Anne Marie Tasker investigates the DVDs featuring naked children being sold by a naturist website and Mike Dilger follows the night-time antics of the Doncaster lions.


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Welcome to Inside Out. This week, we investigate the naturist

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websites selling DVDs involving naked children. All we ask parents

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and experts if they consider it the thumbs as innocent as they seem on

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the cover. Some people will use it for paedophile purposes. They will

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look on it as child pornography. Or so tonight, a tale of espionage.

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We retrace the story of a Cormac man who was jailed for spying 100

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years ago. From what I worth -- what I can gather, he was well

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aware of the risks he was taking. And to the lions of Doncaster. We

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find out how these big cats behave that night. If the L probably

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looking at me right now as a tasty snack -- they are probably looking

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There is a long tradition of naturism in this country, although

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it is fair to say it is not everyone's cup of tea. We have

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found out one of the country's old as publications is selling DVDs

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that featured naked children. Are these naturist films or something

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more sinister? We have been investigating.

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Naturism in Britain is decades old. And there's nothing new about

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pictures of those naturists being taken and even being sold. But how

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different is it if those images are not of adults, but of naked

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children? If paedophiles got hold of this material, they'd be

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watching it for quite the wrong reasons. We've been investigating

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if these DVDs are legal. There's a strong possibility that type of

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image would be regarded as an indecent image. And if these films

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should be being sold by a company right on our doorstep. We should be

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able to control where it's being distributed in the UK. It should be

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banned. This unassuming building is home to

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a company called New Freedom Publications Ltd. And from this

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small office in Goole in East Yorkshire, the company runs a

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website, selling naturist DVDs. The website's affiliated to the long-

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running naturist magazine Health and Efficiency. And among the

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dozens of DVDs it sells, those which clearly feature young

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children. With just a few clicks, these DVDs are available to buy

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online. We're going to order a couple and take a look.

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Each DVD costs �40. And it's obvious what material is being sold.

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I've already managed to find at least half a dozen DVDs which

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explicitly mention children or have pictures of them on the front cover.

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So when you order this material, you're in no doubt at all what that

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you're going to get is images of naked children.

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All the DVDs we ordered were filmed by a company in the Czech Republic.

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VOICEOVER: It is every child's dream to be at a cottage with Mum.

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And the dream has come true for two little girls this weekend.

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They all show naked children playing outside. But while climbing

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rope ladders and coming down a water slide, their genitals are

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exposed. We showed the films to Professor of Law, Richard Stone and

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asked if they are indecent. courts take the view that simple

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nakedness is not indecent. If the pictures are showing genitals then

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that becomes more likely to be regarded as indecent. So would you

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consider this DVD to be indecent? think certain bits of it,

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particularly where the focus is on the genitals, could be regarded as

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indecent, yes. But the test is one for either magistrates or for a

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jury to decide in the end whether a particular picture is indecent or

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not. This one has a water slide, the camera is at the bottom angled

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upwards so you can see the young girls coming down the slide, often

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with their legs apart. The coming down the slide with their legs

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apart inevitably focuses on that particular area and the more that

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is done, the greater the risk it is The company that made the films,

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Naturist Freedom, says all the children's parents sign a contract

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before filming allowing these pictures to be sold. It also sent

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us a copy of this document. The company says it's from a court

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appointed expert from Prague, who's watched all the footage filmed -

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and certifies the DVDs legal and moral undefectiveness. It also says

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it believes the footage is done in a very sensitive way. But some

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who've seen the DVDs don't agree. We spoke to parents and

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grandparents at a toddler group just a few miles from where these

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DVDs are being distributed. All with children of their own, they

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were alarmed by the films' content. We don't find any sexual

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connotation to this whatsoever, it's just what you do on a sunny

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day in your garden with your own children. But because there is no

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say-so on who purchases these and therefore what they're used for,

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there are going to be people who get a sexual kick out of this.

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could be aimed at paedophiles, it could be aimed at anybody. I'm

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sorry I don't think it's acceptable. It's not called for. The fact that

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this has even been produced is not acceptable. I'm not sure we can

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control where it has been filmed, but we can control where it is

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distributed and it should be banned. When we asked the film company

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Naturist Freedom about distribution, it said it only sells the films to

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people who make their business selling naturist videos to other

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naturists. It adds that it is quite common to share the way of life

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with other naturists. For almost 60 years, British naturism has been

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representing naturist groups across the country. And in recent years,

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police have asked the group's research officer Malcolm Boura to

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help them decide if naturist films are indecent. We asked him how

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unusual it is to film naked children. That would be very

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unusual, at least in part because the law is so vague that nobody

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actually knows for certain what it's legal to film. I have had

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conversations with quite a lot of naturist families where they've

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complained bitterly that they're not allowed to have photographs -

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or they don't feel they're allowed - to have photographs of their

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children doing ordinary everyday childish things in the same way as

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non-naturist families are. For fear of how they might be interpreted?

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Yes. As an organisation, would British Naturism prefer it if these

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types of DVDs weren't on sale? does raise us concerns in that the

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motivation behind them is questionable. Some people will be

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using it for paedophile purposes. They will be looking upon it as

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being child pornography. Health and Efficiency didn't want

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to speak to us on camera, but their parent company New Freedom

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Publications gave us a statement. It said the company vets all DVDS

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for suitability before supplying them and has rejected some that it

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felt were inappropriate. It says there's nothing inherently indecent,

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immoral, illegal or harmful about naturist videos. It added that

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whether or not a DVD is indecent is open to interpretation and, in its

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opinion, it has not sold DVDs that are indecent.

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And one photo of a naked child - on show at this gallery in Gateshead -

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showed images of naked children with no sexual content aren't

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indecent. The photo, owned by Elton John, prompted complaints to the

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police. But there were no charges and no prosecution. And one high

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profile campaigner thinks there's little wrong with these naturist

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DVDs either. Esther Rantzen has spent 21 years

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campaigning for better child protection, after setting up the

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Childline charity and helpline. But she says she's not troubled by the

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sale of these images of naked children.

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If I were a judge looking at this material, I think for the sake of

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common sense, I would probably not ban it. I don't think the camera

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work is salacious, I don't think they dwell on children's private

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parts. I don't think it has a nasty feel about it. So I would allow it

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for sale, I think, if I were a judge. But thank heavens I'm not a

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judge because I would also know that if paedophiles got hold of

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this material, they'd be watching it for quite the wrong reasons.

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you think that raises problems in that it could be used for illicit

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purposes? I feel very concerned about a slippery slope that ends up

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with grandmothers being prevented from photographing their children

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in a nativity play or mothers getting prosecuted for having

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photographs of themselves in the bath with their babies. I think we

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have to recognise that children aren't born with clothes on and a

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naked child is not an indecent image.

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But regardless of their content, there's another issue with these

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DVDs. None of them has ever been shown to the British Board of Film

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Classification. It told us it has passed some similar material, but

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others have been cut when there has been an undue focus on naked

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children in a manner that might raise concern. And what's more,

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selling unclassified DVDs can be a criminal offence. If it's a

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documentary, so it's a purely factual video, then it doesn't need

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to have a classification. But that exception doesn't apply if the

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video shows to any significant extent amongst other things the

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genital areas. And if a judge and jury found them indecent, then the

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punishments are even harsher. that situation, a prison sentence

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of two-to-three years may well be the appropriate penalty.

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But whether these DVDs break the rules is for the authorities to

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decide. East Yorkshire's Trading Standards department is now

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investigating if these titles should have age certificates. And

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we've handed the material over to Humberside Police, for them to

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decide if these DVDs of naked Coming up on Inside Out: but called

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the Wild. We find out whether the lions of Doncaster or behave like

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their African cousins at night. is an eerie feeling it, just us and

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A few years before the start of the First World War, a man from here in

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Hull was jailed in Germany for spying, but he still managed to

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Molly Megson knows there was something special about her

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grandfather - but it's been a as a spy. Molly Megson knows there

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was something special about her grandfather, but it's been a hidden

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part of her family's past. These are some photographs. He was born

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in England, and his parents were German. I knew that he was

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something to do with Germany, and something happened, but it was not

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talked about in the family. Schultz was jailed in Germany as a

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British spy 100 years ago, and managed to smuggle an extraordinary

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secret message out of his prison cell. Now, Molly wants to find out

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more. I would love to get to know the answers of so many things that

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have happened in his life. I vaguely know about them, but nobody

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seems to know any answers. Here's the starting point for her journey.

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During his jail sentence, Max built an elaborate model of a boat.

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was made by him in prison in Germany. What intrigues me, the

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level of detail. Looking at it, getting closer, one of the minute

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little holes. I can only imagine the conditions in which he would

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have made it, I do not know where he would have got the materials or

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tiles from. Others looking at the finals, the tiny hooks, all the way

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round. Hidden in the middle of the boat was a secret message,

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handwritten by Max. This is what my grandfather wrote. It is such a

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wonderful thing, to have this in my hand. The model is built to scale.

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With very odd and rough talks. Despise it not on account of

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roughness. It is a labour of love. It is a note to the outside world,

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a message in a bottle, telling him he is 2 1/2 years into his sentence.

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I am an Englishman and a shipowner, residing in Hull, Yorkshire.

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who was Max Schultz and why was he in a German jail? We've come to

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Coltman Street, where Max was part of the German community in Hull.

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Hull had a strong link with Germany. There is a strong community here.

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Max was born in 1879, the son of an immigrant. By the early 20th

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century, he was a successful ship dealer. This is where he lived.

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This is it, behind you. This is it. This is number 82? Yes. Max made a

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good living, buying and selling yachts. But tension was growing in

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Europe. Relations between Germany and Britain were getting worse, so

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the British Secret Service recruited him as a spy. People like

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him did not just have German linguistic skills and knowledge of

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Germany, but they also had naval and shipbuilding skills, that would

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be able to detect accurate information. When Max died in 1924,

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he'd dropped his German surname. He was to pay a heavy price for going

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on a secret mission to his father's His secret almost died with him, so

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how did he end up a prisoner in Hamburg? Max's story would have

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been forgotten if it hadn't been for a chance discovery at this

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Hamburg flea market. A shopper was browsing round the stalls when he

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spotted a model boat. It was old and shabby, and the sellers had

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found it on a skip. Put out for rubbish? On the shriek. -- on the

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shrieked. On a container. My family are so great for, and I would like

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to shake your hand. Can I give you a herd of? Thank you so much.

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model was passed to a marine historian, Peter Bluhm. He

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discovered it was an exact replica of a luxury German ship, the

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Imperator, the largest liner in the world, launched in Hamburg in 1913.

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During restoration work, he removed the front funnel and made an

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astonishing find. I began to put down the first formal, and I saw

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paper. Like this size. In my opinion, it was a special model,

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and he was a special man. How lucky we are that you found it. If you

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find it a model I notice, you want to know more and more. You want to

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know, what is that for? What has he done? Peter Bluhm has investigated

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Max's spying mission. Max came here in 1911 to get information about

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Germany's latest invention, a new engine for submarines. He was

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interested in the engine, the submarine boats. The engineers from

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the shipyard found a new system, so that the engine is not so loud.

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was searching for military secrets, but it was dangerous, and it was

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not going to We're at Hamburg railway station to meet Barbara,

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one of Molly's cousins, who's researched the story. She is here!

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Barbara lives in Germany. She and Molly have only met once before.

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She says Max recruited two Germans to help him get naval plans, but he

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knew he was being followed. He made up his mind to leave Germany, but

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it was too late. Max was arrested outside the railway station, and

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sentenced as a spy. He was well aware of the risk that he was

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taking. And of the consequences of the fact that, if he was caught, he

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was going to be a life of his family. He was to spend the next

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seven years in jail, and this is where he ended up, the prison where

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he wrote his secret message. This is Fuhlsbuttlel jail, on the

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outskirts of Hamburg. Molly's reached the end of her journey.

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We're in an old cell. Max's would have been much smaller. He spent

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the whole of his sentence in solitary confinement. We read that

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he was incarcerated for seven years, and you pass that it and read on.

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This is it, this is the seven years. It is a culmination of everything

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we knew about him, it is bringing to life the story. It has all been

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a better the revelation. A moving Last year, we brought you the story

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of lions that were brought from a dilapidated Romanian Suter

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Doncaster. Thousands of visitors have seen them at their new home at

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the Yorkshire Wildlife Park, but no-one has seen what they get up to

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when they're at their most active, at night. Until now, that is, when

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we sent our own night owl Mike Dilger to investigate.

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That's it, it's just after 5pm and the last of the visitors have gone,

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but for the animals here, life continues, but without the gaze of

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For most of the day, these lions have been doing what most cats do,

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and that's been getting in plenty of sleep. Although lions can be

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active at any time, research in the wild shows that they have peaks of

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activity at dusk and dawn, what's known as being crepuscular, and we

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know that out in Africa, lions do But few have ever studied what

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captive lions do when its dark, and I'd like to know whether the years

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spent behind bars in Romania have dulled their wild streak. You live

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here, you hear them all the time. They wake me up, 2am, 3am, which is

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great! It is fantastic to wake up to a Lions they get up to something,

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but what, your guess is as good as mine. Top-quality beef! The

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Doncaster lions are kept in three separate prides, which mirrors

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their family groups in Romania. There's a definite hierarchy, and

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just like any family, there are plenty of times when they seem to

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be rubbing each other up the wrong Now, lions might be the most social

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of the big cats, but interpreting their behaviour is no easy task. So

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it's time to call in someone who spends much of her time studying

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these animals out in the African savannah. Dusk is just around the

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corner, any idea what we will see? Normally, roaring. We have already

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heard bits and pieces, and now that it is getting dusk, early morning,

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that is when they will roll, the air is Calder, so it is lighter,

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and the sound will travel a lot further, up to eight kilometres.

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They all going out once. They are letting each other know, we are

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here, how are you? People think of the line as an animal that is

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common across Africa, but they are struggling at the moment. Yes, and

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people are not aware of their plight. We have seen a decline

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since the mid- 70s of 80 to 90%, a huge decline. This is how we're

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going to film the lions. It will be so dark, normal cameras will not be

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able to cope. But we have got our hands on this piece of equipment.

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This is an image intensifier, which takes every scrap of light from the

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atmosphere, from the moon and the stars, which means, even though

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physically we cannot see a thing, the camera should be able to record

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Rae and myself set up camp close to the lion enclosures, waiting for

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the action to unfold on our monitor. It is eyrie, just us and them. I

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have total faith in the fences behind me. But rather than during

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the day, when they are largely to sleep, they are much more active at

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night, and they are probably looking at me right now, like I am

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a tasty snack. They get a lot of stick for being lazy, but really, I

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like to think of it, they are just energy efficient, intelligent. On

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average, 21 hours a day, sleep, which is a lot, but when they are

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exerting their energy, they are to link energetic behaviour, defending

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their territory, patrolling huge territories, hunting, which could

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go on for hours, and planed. If you can sleep, you might as well make

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the most of it, conserve your energy for when you have to exerted.

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We are seeing a lion conserving his energy! With the good folk of

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Doncaster safely tucked up in their beds, it seems the lions have also

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decided to call it a day. But just as we're beginning to lose hope, it

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all starts kicking off. All of a seven, activity. They are chasing.

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The two females. The three Lionesses together. Hitting each

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other around the head. I can confirm that these Lions do not

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sleep all night. Despite the darkness, these night-vision shots

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are certainly illuminating, but it's time to put our lions to the

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test. We are going to try experiment. We have got some

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recordings of lions from Zimbabwe, and we will play them and see what

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reaction they get from these three prides. We have no idea whatsoever

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what will happen. Let's give it a go. The plan is to see how the

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Doncaster lions react to the sound of another new pride of five lions.

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Will they treat them as friend or foe? This has brought the Lions'

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right up to the fence. They are about 20 metres away, they are not

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responding, but they are fascinated. They are figuring it out. This is

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what we want to see, territorial defence. Who argue, where are you

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coming from? They are always patrolling. If the fences were down,

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there would have lions here. They would be coming up to the speakers.

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Studies in Africa have shown that lions can actually count. They'll

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listen to the roars of a new pride and work out whether the numbers

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are in their favour. Too many lions, and it's time to quietly melt away,

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but if there's more of you, there's no need to intimidated. And having

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done their sums, the Doncaster That is probably them now,

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assessing. They have not ruled for a while, let's give it some, let's

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tell them we are coming. Brilliant. They were not sure for five minutes,

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then they said, it is time to reassert our dominance. Looking at

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these images, it is difficult to tell we are in Doncaster! Abedin a

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Samara all the Serengeti! I and so impressed. What have I learned

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about the Lions? They do not sleep all night. They run around a lot

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and they make an awful lot of noise. And, at fax to this analysis, there

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is the most enormous amount going on in terms of hierarchy, play,

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fighting, it is just a jungle out If you want to contact us about any

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through Twitter. That is all from here in Hull. Join us next week. We

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Anne Marie Tasker investigates the DVDs featuring naked children being sold by a naturist website and Lucy Hester explores the long hidden family secret of a man who worked as a British spy during the First World War.

Also Mike Dilger follows the night-time antics of the Doncaster lions.


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