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Welcome to Inside Out. I am Toby Foster. I am at Orgreave, the scene | :00:13. | :00:18. | |
of the bitter minor battle in 1984. There are two accounts of what | :00:18. | :00:23. | |
happened that day, one from the miners and one from the police. We | :00:23. | :00:26. | |
have got evidence that suggested the police doctor statements which | :00:26. | :00:31. | |
could have led to the culture which five years later on would see the | :00:31. | :00:41. | |
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In September the Hillsborough Independent Panel released its | :00:46. | :00:52. | |
report into the stadium disaster of April 1989. It revealed a catalogue | :00:52. | :00:54. | |
of accusations against South Yorkshire Police, the Ambulance | :00:54. | :01:01. | |
Service, Sheffield Wednesday and many others. But of all its | :01:01. | :01:03. | |
shocking findings, what stands out is the evidence that 116 police | :01:03. | :01:06. | |
statements were changed in an attempt to put the blame for the | :01:06. | :01:14. | |
disaster onto Liverpool supporters. The new evidence with which we are | :01:14. | :01:17. | |
presented today makes it clear, in my view, that these families have | :01:17. | :01:20. | |
suffered a double injustice. The injustice of the appalling events, | :01:20. | :01:23. | |
the failure of the state to protect their loved ones and the | :01:23. | :01:26. | |
indefensible wait to get to the truth, and then the injustice of | :01:26. | :01:29. | |
the denigration of the deceased, that they were somehow at fault for | :01:29. | :01:39. | |
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their own deaths. On the face of it there seems little connection | :01:40. | :01:44. | |
between the miners' strike in the 1980s and what happened on the | :01:44. | :01:47. | |
Leppings Lane that terrace but tonight we will reveal that | :01:47. | :01:53. | |
Hillsborough, far from being an isolated event, was, in fact, part | :01:53. | :01:56. | |
of a pattern of senior South Yorkshire officers manipulating the | :01:56. | :02:00. | |
statements made by junior officers and while Hillsborough resonated | :02:00. | :02:05. | |
around the world, what happened at Orgreave in June 1984 has been left | :02:05. | :02:15. | |
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as a footnote in history. In the aftermath of Hillsborough | :02:19. | :02:21. | |
South Yorkshire police systematically altered the witness | :02:21. | :02:24. | |
statements of its own officers. Tonight we'll reveal how five years | :02:24. | :02:26. | |
earlier the same force deliberately moulded statements so it could | :02:26. | :02:29. | |
prosecute miners at Orgreave for riot, an offence that potentially | :02:29. | :02:33. | |
carried a life sentence. They wanted to teach the miners a | :02:33. | :02:36. | |
lesson, a big lesson, so that the miners wouldn't come out in force | :02:36. | :02:38. | |
again. I was punched, kicked, prodded, you | :02:38. | :02:43. | |
name it. I walked in, and I was nearly carried out. | :02:43. | :02:47. | |
You can see in a way that they were trying merely to set the scenario, | :02:47. | :02:50. | |
but actually what they were doing was teeing up, perverting the | :02:51. | :02:55. | |
course of justice. I was a bit surprised when I came | :02:55. | :02:58. | |
in and someone said we need to have this as a starting paragraph. | :02:58. | :03:01. | |
However I'd never been involved in a situation where so many people | :03:01. | :03:04. | |
were arrested. The violence and intimidation that | :03:04. | :03:07. | |
we have seen should never have happened. It is the work of | :03:07. | :03:14. | |
extremists. It is the enemy within. Oh, what a lovely summer. | :03:14. | :03:18. | |
Oh, what a long, long strike. But if we have to go through it all | :03:18. | :03:20. | |
again, We would still stand up and fight. | :03:20. | :03:25. | |
Convoys of coal going from Orgreave. Men standing side by side. | :03:25. | :03:30. | |
Women serving the soup for them, Watching lories of coal go by. | :03:30. | :03:37. | |
Rows and rows of men in blue. Horses, dogs and truncheons too. | :03:37. | :03:44. | |
Hitting miners, they didn't care who. | :03:44. | :03:48. | |
It's not so long ago that Yorkshire was synonymous with mining. Before | :03:49. | :03:54. | |
the 1984 strike, this region was dotted with 60 collieries. Each of | :03:54. | :03:59. | |
them supporting a community and giving thousands of miners jobs. | :03:59. | :04:04. | |
Coal kept the lights on and powered industry. But now only three | :04:04. | :04:06. | |
underground pits remain in Yorkshire, like this one at | :04:06. | :04:12. | |
Hatfield near Doncaster. The strike was the turning point | :04:12. | :04:16. | |
for the industry. The miners, led by Arthur Scargill, believed that | :04:16. | :04:20. | |
the government planned to shut down hundreds of pits. Faced with the | :04:20. | :04:24. | |
loss of their jobs, most Yorkshire miners came out on strike. They | :04:24. | :04:27. | |
hoped to choke the country's supply of energy and force Mrs Thatcher to | :04:27. | :04:37. | |
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back down. No way. Move! crucially most Nottinghamshire | :04:43. | :04:47. | |
miners kept working, believing their pits would be safe. The year- | :04:47. | :04:49. | |
long dispute pitched miner against miner, and against the government. | :04:49. | :04:52. | |
But they'd planned ahead. Power stations had stockpiled coal and | :04:52. | :04:55. | |
tough union laws had made it harder for other workers to support the | :04:55. | :04:57. | |
miners. Throughout the dispute, pickets and police clashed | :04:57. | :05:00. | |
regularly. The most notorious flashpoint was at the Orgreave | :05:00. | :05:06. | |
Coking Plant on the outskirts of Sheffield. The coke produced at | :05:06. | :05:09. | |
Orgreave fuelled the British Steel mill in Scunthorpe. During the 1972 | :05:09. | :05:12. | |
miners' strike, the National Union of Mineworkers had famously shut | :05:12. | :05:14. | |
the Saltley Coking plant in Birmingham by sending in flying | :05:14. | :05:21. | |
pickets. Arthur thought what we should | :05:21. | :05:28. | |
really do is to have one big pitched battle. Like the one he had | :05:28. | :05:32. | |
at Saltley Gate. At Saltley Gate, we won. | :05:32. | :05:35. | |
Saltley acted as the template for the picketing at Orgreave 12 years | :05:35. | :05:40. | |
later. Only this time, the miners faced a police force and a | :05:40. | :05:44. | |
government determined not to be beaten. | :05:44. | :05:47. | |
Almost from the start of the strike in March 1984, there had been | :05:47. | :05:52. | |
pickets at Orgreave. We shall be coming here until we | :05:52. | :05:55. | |
stop them wagons. We want that plant shutting down. We want them | :05:55. | :06:04. | |
stopping them wagons going in. Over the weeks tensions grew and | :06:04. | :06:09. | |
things finally came to a head on June the 18th. That day up to | :06:09. | :06:14. | |
10,000 pickets turned up. There to try and stop the miners shutting | :06:14. | :06:16. | |
the plant were at least 5,000 policemen from many different | :06:16. | :06:22. | |
forces across the country. The man in overall command that day, was | :06:22. | :06:24. | |
the South Yorkshire Police Assistant Chief Constable Anthony | :06:24. | :06:34. | |
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Clement. The miners' strike is 100 days old tomorrow and today brought | :06:34. | :06:39. | |
the worst scenes of violence of the dispute. | :06:39. | :06:44. | |
The violence lasted most of the day. By the end 93 miners had been | :06:44. | :06:49. | |
arrested. The official police report said 51 pickets were injured | :06:49. | :06:54. | |
along with 72 police officers. But, as with Hillsborough, two very | :06:54. | :06:59. | |
different accounts of what happened emerged. | :06:59. | :07:02. | |
We were like a phalanx of Roman legionnaires, lined across the | :07:02. | :07:06. | |
field. Obviously the coke lorries were coming through, infuriating | :07:07. | :07:13. | |
the pickets and so the level of missiles appeared to increase. | :07:13. | :07:19. | |
Police horses were deployed. And then on the date in question, the | :07:19. | :07:22. | |
decision was taken, we were taken from long shields and told we were | :07:22. | :07:26. | |
to deploy as short shield snatch squads. | :07:26. | :07:30. | |
It was like a military plan. And when miners arrived in June | :07:30. | :07:34. | |
sunshine, bare chested. They'd been picketing there for weeks and weeks. | :07:34. | :07:38. | |
They expected it to be kind of the same ritual. You arrive and the | :07:38. | :07:41. | |
police are there in a great long line and we push against it and | :07:41. | :07:45. | |
then it's sort of over with really. And lorries go into the coking | :07:45. | :07:48. | |
works. There was an understanding and | :07:48. | :07:51. | |
acceptance that protest was their lawful and legal right but these | :07:51. | :07:54. | |
idiots who wanted to use the police as Aunt Sallys, the anonymity that | :07:54. | :08:00. | |
their numbers gave them caused the problem. | :08:00. | :08:03. | |
It started with the usual pushing and shoving and it was fairly much | :08:03. | :08:06. | |
OK, but it started to escalate where one or two bricks and bottles | :08:06. | :08:13. | |
came across. They had dogs on one side. They had | :08:13. | :08:16. | |
police on horse-back in the field. It was like a medieval battlefield. | :08:16. | :08:21. | |
The rows upon rows of great long shields. And up on the bridge and | :08:21. | :08:25. | |
into the village, there were horses and cops across the road. So they | :08:25. | :08:30. | |
were surrounded. And there were 10,000 miners. And there were a lot | :08:30. | :08:35. | |
of police. And it was like, click. The decision came from Clements and | :08:35. | :08:41. | |
off they went. Horses charged straight into the miners. They | :08:41. | :08:46. | |
could have been trampled to death. The short shield units went in | :08:46. | :08:56. | |
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afterwards. They grabbed people, So that charge by the horses, | :09:03. | :09:06. | |
Norman, do you think that was justified by the level of violence | :09:06. | :09:09. | |
that you were encountering? I was a bit surprised to see the horses. | :09:09. | :09:13. | |
But quite pleased. Cos they'd stopped the bricks being thrown. | :09:13. | :09:16. | |
You know if the horses are coming charging towards me, swinging them | :09:16. | :09:20. | |
big night-sticks. You know, I might be built like Gandhi, but I'm not | :09:20. | :09:23. | |
going to sit down in the road singing, we shall overcome, baby. | :09:23. | :09:26. | |
I'll you that. So of course we launched bloody bricks at them to | :09:26. | :09:32. | |
try to stop the charge. These days Michael Mansfield is one | :09:32. | :09:34. | |
Britain's most famous defence barristers, specialising in | :09:34. | :09:37. | |
miscarriages of justice. But in 1984 he was only starting to make a | :09:37. | :09:40. | |
name for himself when he represented several miners in the | :09:40. | :09:44. | |
first trial which took place in Sheffield in 1985. | :09:44. | :09:47. | |
The video footage the police themselves took showed a completely | :09:47. | :09:51. | |
different story. Not the one the BBC put out, but the police footage | :09:51. | :09:54. | |
was quite different. There were a lot of independent monitors, some | :09:54. | :09:57. | |
with notebooks, some with cameras and one with a movie camera stuck | :09:57. | :10:06. | |
up in a tree. The police had no idea to which the extent of what | :10:06. | :10:12. | |
they were doing, their unlawful activities were being filmed. So if | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
you put the combination of that package together, you had a record, | :10:15. | :10:17. | |
a really almost unchallengeable record of a completely different | :10:17. | :10:26. | |
version of events. The police account reported at the | :10:26. | :10:28. | |
time was that miners had massed together and launched a violent | :10:28. | :10:33. | |
assault on the Police. South Yorkshire police claimed there'd | :10:33. | :10:36. | |
been no choice but to send in mounted policemen and snatch squads | :10:36. | :10:43. | |
with short shields in order to regain control. | :10:43. | :10:46. | |
A lot of miners think that there was a concerted attempt at Orgreave | :10:46. | :10:50. | |
to send them a message that they weren't going to win. Did you see | :10:50. | :10:53. | |
evidence of that? Yeah, I would say so. The comment, we weren't going | :10:53. | :10:56. | |
to lose, was upper most in a lot of our minds. Coming from Birmingham, | :10:56. | :10:58. | |
the previous miners' strike in Birmingham, Saltley Gate, | :10:58. | :11:03. | |
effectively the pickets had won by pushing through the police lines. | :11:03. | :11:06. | |
And I wasn't there, I don't think many of the officers I knew were | :11:06. | :11:09. | |
there because it happened in a previous decade, but it was | :11:09. | :11:13. | |
something for us professionally, we weren't going to lose. | :11:13. | :11:16. | |
The miners' maintained that they'd been peacefully picketing and it | :11:16. | :11:20. | |
was the police who'd attacked them. The video evidence produced in | :11:20. | :11:30. | |
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court contradicted the police So it had two stages. Get em all in | :11:38. | :11:41. | |
a field and charge and generally batter them and hopefully they'll | :11:41. | :11:43. | |
retreat, which they did. Up the field, down a railway embankment, | :11:43. | :11:45. | |
huge injuries. Stef Wysocki was a striking miner | :11:45. | :11:48. | |
from the Derbyshire coalfield. He went to Orgreave that day to picket. | :11:48. | :11:52. | |
It were a nice hot summer's day. We were all there in T-shirts. They | :11:52. | :11:55. | |
were in full riot gear. They knew what were going off. We didn't. I | :11:55. | :11:59. | |
just stood there with my hands in my pockets. I hadn't done anything | :11:59. | :12:02. | |
wrong. I was just watching what was going off. It was all new to me. | :12:02. | :12:06. | |
I'd never seen anything like this before. I just stood there and next | :12:06. | :12:09. | |
minute I seen all these policemen running up field and I looked round | :12:09. | :12:12. | |
to see who they were running for. And there were only me there left, | :12:12. | :12:17. | |
so obviously they were after me. REPORTER: So when they got to you, | :12:18. | :12:21. | |
did you put any resistance up? whatsoever. None whatsoever. | :12:21. | :12:26. | |
REPORTER: So when they arrested you, what did you expect to happen? | :12:26. | :12:30. | |
I hadn't done anything. So I didn't think I would get charged. | :12:30. | :12:33. | |
Obviously there were a lot of cameras there. And when it got to | :12:33. | :12:36. | |
court there, they got all the photos of me being arrested at the | :12:36. | :12:40. | |
top of the hill with no injuries. And when we got to the bottom of | :12:40. | :12:44. | |
the hill, I'd got injuries and I were in their custody. | :12:44. | :12:51. | |
REPORTER: What sort of injuries? Bruises, facial cuts. Bleeding. | :12:51. | :12:55. | |
REPORTER: So you got a bit of a kicking then? | :12:55. | :13:01. | |
Oh I got a very big kicking. One of things we done was we protected the | :13:01. | :13:03. | |
arrested person as we went through police lines. | :13:03. | :13:06. | |
Because I have to say some of my colleagues, or not colleagues, | :13:06. | :13:08. | |
individuals from other forces weren't above trying to land a | :13:08. | :13:11. | |
smack on the head of an individual coming through. I wasn't happy | :13:11. | :13:16. | |
about that. My prisoner, he gets to the holding centre in the state in | :13:16. | :13:20. | |
which he was arrested. I didn't want someone who was injured who | :13:20. | :13:24. | |
would then make allegations against me. I said, "what are you arresting | :13:24. | :13:27. | |
me for"? He said, "throwing stones at a policeman". I said, "look at | :13:27. | :13:30. | |
my hands. I haven't thrown anything". He said, "they all say | :13:30. | :13:35. | |
that". So then I was marched down the field, both arms up my back. | :13:35. | :13:41. | |
Got to the police line. I was banged onto police shields. They | :13:41. | :13:46. | |
bounced me off. The shields opened and I was punched, kicked, prodded, | :13:46. | :13:55. | |
you name it. I walked in, and I was nearly carried out. Stage two, we | :13:55. | :13:58. | |
have to have a recording process, that's the statement process done | :13:58. | :14:04. | |
by another unit. And unfortunately they were caught out once again | :14:04. | :14:07. | |
because some of the officers who claimed to have arrested certain | :14:07. | :14:09. | |
individuals plainly didn't, because they're not in the photographs | :14:09. | :14:13. | |
accompanying the miners. So basically the second stage process, | :14:13. | :14:16. | |
the investigation and recording of what happened on the field at | :14:16. | :14:26. | |
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Orgreave was a contrivance. Another barrister who defended the miners | :14:27. | :14:32. | |
in the Orgreave Trial was Vera Baird. | :14:32. | :14:34. | |
Officers signed statements saying they'd seen A, they'd seen B, | :14:34. | :14:39. | |
they'd seen D. Important symptoms of disorder. But actually we got | :14:39. | :14:42. | |
the log books of the vehicles and many of them hadn't even left home | :14:42. | :14:45. | |
by the time those things had happened and been taken away. So, | :14:45. | :14:49. | |
it was a clear plan to make this escalation of the gravity of the | :14:49. | :14:58. | |
charges really work. I think the allegation was that we | :14:58. | :15:03. | |
had statements dictated to us or something similar. I was not | :15:03. | :15:07. | |
dictated to with regards to the statement. But some of the | :15:07. | :15:09. | |
statements in public order situations can seem formulaic. So | :15:10. | :15:13. | |
where officers, or in my statement it talks about "I was frightened, I | :15:13. | :15:17. | |
was apprehensive". Those were forms of words you used because in terms | :15:17. | :15:20. | |
of the public order act, or it was actually common law then, those | :15:20. | :15:24. | |
were the things you expressed. Hillsborough Independent Panel | :15:25. | :15:27. | |
report accused South Yorkshire Police in 1989 of making a | :15:27. | :15:37. | |
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concerted effort to remove damaging references from officers. The panel | :15:40. | :15:46. | |
found 116 statement had been altered. The police narrative was | :15:47. | :15:49. | |
that Liverpool fans were drunk and ticketless. Some officers even | :15:49. | :15:52. | |
falsely claimed to the press that supporters had stolen from the dead | :15:52. | :15:55. | |
and urinated on people while police officers attempted to save lives. | :15:55. | :15:57. | |
In the case of Orgreave five years earlier, the manipulation of | :15:58. | :16:00. | |
statements appears to be even more organised than at Hillsborough. In | :16:00. | :16:03. | |
1985, the first 15 miners charged with riot were tried here at the | :16:04. | :16:08. | |
old Sheffield Crown Court. But the trial collapsed in spectacular | :16:08. | :16:18. | |
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style when it became clear the police evidence wasn't reliable. | :16:22. | :16:24. | |
One officer, PC Stephen Hill, admitted under cross examination | :16:24. | :16:27. | |
that much of his statement had been narrated to him. PC Hill's version | :16:27. | :16:30. | |
of events tallies with Inspector Norman Taylor's recollection of | :16:30. | :16:34. | |
what happened when he was asked to write up his statement. It was like | :16:34. | :16:39. | |
a big room. And people were in different parts of the room. I | :16:39. | :16:42. | |
recall this policeman in plain clothes mentioning that he'd had a | :16:42. | :16:46. | |
good idea of what had happened. And we were from different police | :16:46. | :16:52. | |
forces. And that there was a preamble to set the scene. And he | :16:52. | :16:56. | |
was reading from some paper, a paragraph or so. And he asked the | :16:56. | :16:59. | |
people who were there to use that as their starting paragraph. So you | :16:59. | :17:03. | |
copied down what they told you to write? So that paragraph, I think | :17:03. | :17:06. | |
it was basically the time and date, the name of the place. There were | :17:06. | :17:10. | |
guys from the Met who hadn't a clue where South Yorkshire was. In fact, | :17:10. | :17:13. | |
it was more than just one paragraph. The arresting officers may have | :17:13. | :17:15. | |
thought that they were simply describing the scene at Orgreave. | :17:15. | :17:18. | |
But why did senior South Yorkshire detectives have to dictate a form | :17:18. | :17:22. | |
of wording for the officers to use? It seems clear the fact that the | :17:22. | :17:24. | |
exact same phrases appeared in dozens of police witness statements | :17:24. | :17:28. | |
was no coincidence. To take just one example, 31 officers from four | :17:28. | :17:38. | |
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We've obtained copies of around 100 police witness statements after | :17:46. | :17:50. | |
Orgreave. And what you see in those statements is fascinating. | :17:50. | :17:52. | |
Statement after statement from officer after officer, the same | :17:52. | :17:58. | |
phrases appear over and over again. So was it the intention from the | :17:58. | :18:04. | |
start to build an exaggerated case of riot against the pickets. And | :18:04. | :18:08. | |
that charge of riot matters. The common law offence of Riot dates | :18:08. | :18:11. | |
back to the medieval period. Prior to its use in the Orgreave trials, | :18:11. | :18:14. | |
nobody in England and Wales had been accused of riot for more than | :18:14. | :18:18. | |
60 years. But why did South Yorkshire police choose to it? | :18:18. | :18:21. | |
Whereas a picket convicted of a public order offence such as | :18:21. | :18:24. | |
throwing a stone might get a fine, pickets convicted of riot were | :18:24. | :18:32. | |
faced potentially life in prison. Ian Hernon was a political reporter | :18:32. | :18:36. | |
in the 1980s and went on the write about the history of the Riot Act. | :18:36. | :18:42. | |
It was a very blunt instrument to suppress civil discontent. It | :18:42. | :18:45. | |
wasn't used very often. Most famously it was used in the | :18:45. | :18:48. | |
Peterloo massacre in Manchester as a way of allowing the militia and | :18:48. | :18:56. | |
the cavalry to kill civilians. It wasn't used very much after that. | :18:56. | :19:00. | |
In fact the last time that we know for sure that it was used was | :19:00. | :19:09. | |
during the 1919 police strike in Birkenhead. | :19:09. | :19:12. | |
But the real key to it was the process that was used after they | :19:12. | :19:15. | |
were arrested. Two police would arrest one miner. They would take | :19:15. | :19:19. | |
them back through the police lines to an office and lock him up, | :19:19. | :19:21. | |
having presented him to a custody sergeant and write their statement | :19:21. | :19:25. | |
immediately. And in that office, as they told us, were some detectives | :19:25. | :19:27. | |
who were dictating the paragraphs alleging the scene of disorder | :19:28. | :19:31. | |
necessary to make a little offence like throwing a pork pie, into a | :19:31. | :19:41. | |
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riot. The main reason I think why the | :19:41. | :19:43. | |
Orgreave trial collapsed was because the police being totally | :19:44. | :19:47. | |
out of control, cavalier in the whole affair, were in such a rush | :19:47. | :19:49. | |
to arrest people, injure people, that who arrested who was lost | :19:50. | :19:57. | |
track of. So they didn't keep a note of which person had been | :19:57. | :20:02. | |
arrested by which cop. So they had a whole big bunch of people and | :20:02. | :20:07. | |
whole big bunch of cops and they just made up who they arrested. And | :20:07. | :20:12. | |
then they made up the stories associated with who'd done what. | :20:12. | :20:16. | |
You can see in a way that they were merely trying to set the scenario, | :20:16. | :20:19. | |
but actually what they were doing was teeing up, perverting the | :20:19. | :20:22. | |
course of justice. Because these men could not say that those things | :20:22. | :20:25. | |
had happened yet they were signing a statement saying they knew they'd | :20:25. | :20:28. | |
be prosecuted if they got it wrong, and come into court and giving | :20:28. | :20:30. | |
evidence in accordance to their statement of scenes they'd simply | :20:30. | :20:37. | |
never seen. The people who were arrested that day, were | :20:37. | :20:46. | |
subsequently charge with riot? Were you surprised? Actually it did. | :20:46. | :20:49. | |
Because normally the public order offence, Section 5 Public Order | :20:49. | :20:53. | |
would be the one they used. So even when you get groups of people on a | :20:53. | :20:56. | |
Friday night or so, that would be it. We took the Orgreave statements | :20:56. | :21:00. | |
to a leading Sheffield barrister to ask for an independent opinion. | :21:00. | :21:03. | |
It's very obvious in the Orgreave case that there was widespread | :21:03. | :21:09. | |
collusion. You can't get statements written in the way they have been | :21:09. | :21:11. | |
done here, by police officers from different forces involved in | :21:11. | :21:14. | |
different arrests and find such a degree of similarity between those | :21:14. | :21:23. | |
statements without there being some degree of collusion. I've just | :21:23. | :21:29. | |
taken one of a number of examples. This is a West Yorkshire police | :21:29. | :21:32. | |
officer who is involved in a separate arrest, nothing to do with | :21:32. | :21:35. | |
this South Yorkshire officer. But when you put their statements | :21:35. | :21:38. | |
literally side by side, you can see that their statements begin in an | :21:38. | :21:48. | |
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You've got the setting of the scene here as to the date. This passage | :21:58. | :22:07. | |
here. Exactly the same in the two statements. That's word for word. | :22:07. | :22:09. | |
Absolutely, and then here's an interesting phrase. "Periodically | :22:09. | :22:12. | |
there was missile throwing from the back of the ranks, but apart from | :22:12. | :22:15. | |
this there was no trouble". Now some other statements have the | :22:15. | :22:18. | |
first part of that but leave out that second bit. But there are | :22:18. | :22:21. | |
literally several dozen examples of police officers who've used exactly | :22:21. | :22:27. | |
the same phrase there. I was frankly shocked by Orgreave. | :22:27. | :22:30. | |
By the deliberate nature of putting together this case against men who | :22:30. | :22:33. | |
were after all, some of them may have been occasionally violent, | :22:33. | :22:36. | |
many of them absolutely were not, but after all they were simply | :22:36. | :22:40. | |
trying to fight for their jobs and that's what they were doing, so I | :22:40. | :22:43. | |
was shocked by the extent of the politicisation of police, and to | :22:43. | :22:50. | |
some extent the criminal justice system generally. And how strong do | :22:50. | :22:53. | |
you think the evidence is that cover that was enacted after | :22:53. | :23:00. | |
Hillsborough was in their culture already at the time of Orgreave? | :23:00. | :23:06. | |
I think the evidence is strong. What happened at Orgreave seems to | :23:06. | :23:09. | |
be on the basis that the police just assumed that if they gave a | :23:09. | :23:14. | |
particular account of the day's events. Nobody would challenge, or | :23:14. | :23:21. | |
at least nobody who they thought mattered would challenge them. And | :23:21. | :23:24. | |
so when you have groups of miners and the miners' communities saying, | :23:24. | :23:27. | |
"that's not how it happened at Orgreave, we know, that's not how | :23:27. | :23:30. | |
it happened". Of course there's a parallel there with Liverpool and | :23:30. | :23:33. | |
Hillsborough. The Hillsborough families have known all along the | :23:33. | :23:39. | |
truth. But it was an attempt by the police to set the agenda according | :23:39. | :23:42. | |
the fact that I think at the time they did feel that they could say | :23:43. | :23:45. | |
these things and that nobody who mattered was going to challenge | :23:45. | :23:49. | |
them. As indeed is the case, because outside of the trial, | :23:49. | :23:56. | |
nobody did challenge them and bring them to book. | :23:56. | :23:59. | |
In those days, every day at about 11 o'clock, we'd all troop over to | :24:00. | :24:02. | |
Downing Street and the press secretary of that time would brief | :24:02. | :24:09. | |
us on Margaret Thatcher's attitude. Now even though it's a long time | :24:09. | :24:13. | |
ago, almost daily we heard the miners described as a bunch of yobs | :24:13. | :24:16. | |
or yobbos - that was one of the favourite phrases - and how dare | :24:16. | :24:24. | |
they hold the country to ransom. When we queried police tactics, we | :24:24. | :24:27. | |
were simply told that anyone who challenges the government or bad | :24:27. | :24:35. | |
mouths the police is the enemy within. | :24:35. | :24:39. | |
No doubt at all that it was political. I mean before Orgreave | :24:39. | :24:42. | |
I'd done other cases and although by the establishment there's been a | :24:42. | :24:45. | |
continual denial that we have political trials in the United | :24:45. | :24:48. | |
Kingdom, in fact they're a little more subtle, they don't call them | :24:48. | :24:51. | |
political trials and it's not a political offence. But essentially | :24:51. | :24:55. | |
the momentum is undoubtedly political. And as far as 1984 | :24:55. | :25:05. | |
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miners' strike and strikes before. This was clearly a political battle | :25:10. | :25:12. | |
and a political imperative. Thatcher saw the NUM as being | :25:12. | :25:15. | |
subversive. And that's how they became "the enemy within" so what | :25:15. | :25:20. | |
could be more political than that? The notable thing about it is that | :25:20. | :25:23. | |
because it didn't succeed, it was a mass acquittal, very little has | :25:23. | :25:26. | |
been made of it. If they had been convicted and then acquitted again | :25:26. | :25:29. | |
years later, that somehow hits the spot in a way that an acquittal | :25:29. | :25:35. | |
didn't. So there is no doubt among some cases, for instance, Stefan | :25:35. | :25:38. | |
Kiszko, that was pure dealing with forensic stuff, this is much worse | :25:38. | :25:42. | |
than some of those cases. Though it's not dissimilar to the kind of | :25:42. | :25:52. | |
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Birmingham Six situation. It is a miscarriage of justice, but not in | :25:56. | :25:59. | |
a normal sense of the word. Obviously if they'd been found | :25:59. | :26:03. | |
guilty and had to go to appeal and then got let off, those are the | :26:03. | :26:05. | |
famous miscarriage of justices. But there's a much bigger miscarriage | :26:05. | :26:10. | |
of justice here at Orgreave. And it's not isolated because we see | :26:10. | :26:14. | |
the same thing at Hillsborough. Not a single police officer was | :26:14. | :26:21. | |
prosecuted. Even ones that were caught on camera beating a | :26:21. | :26:24. | |
defensive miner, holding one to the ground and beating him in one | :26:24. | :26:31. | |
particular case, not a single officer prosecuted. Not a single | :26:31. | :26:39. | |
one was even disciplined. It's obviously difficult because of | :26:39. | :26:43. | |
the lapse of time. It's now getting on for 30 years since Orgreave. But | :26:43. | :26:46. | |
the fact remains that if there is evidence that senior police | :26:46. | :26:48. | |
officers in South Yorkshire Police did apparently conspire together | :26:48. | :26:51. | |
and this couldn't have happened just on one officers' say so, if | :26:51. | :26:54. | |
there's evidence of a conspiracy to pervert the course of justice, then | :26:54. | :26:57. | |
in principle, why should they be allowed to live out their | :26:57. | :27:07. | |
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retirements on their pensions with We asked South Yorkshire Police to | :27:10. | :27:15. | |
participate in this film but they declined. Instead they gave us this | :27:15. | :27:20. | |
statement. "South Yorkshire Police notes the issues raised in the | :27:20. | :27:24. | |
programme and will consider whether any review is necessary. The force | :27:24. | :27:27. | |
is not aware of any adverse comment about the statements from the trial | :27:27. | :27:37. | |
:27:37. | :27:40. | ||
judge in the case. The police and reputation in mining areas went | :27:40. | :27:45. | |
crashing to the ground. I was still practising during the miners' | :27:45. | :27:52. | |
strike. If there was any evidence against a police officer, there | :27:52. | :27:57. | |
would never be a conviction. There is still strong feelings against | :27:57. | :28:07. | |
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The Battle of Orgreave happened 28 years ago. Ancient history some | :28:10. | :28:13. | |
might say. But as we've seen tonight and as we've learned | :28:13. | :28:16. | |
recently with Hillsborough, what lies in the past isn't necessarily | :28:16. | :28:18. | |
a closed chapter. The South Yorkshire Police of today is | :28:18. | :28:21. | |
different to its 1980s counterpart, but fate has dictated that the | :28:21. | :28:24. | |
actions of the force in the 1980s, at Hillsborough and at Orgreave, | :28:24. | :28:33. | |
will now face closer scrutiny than they ever did at the time. That's | :28:33. | :28:37. | |
all for tonight. But you can find us on Facebook and follow us on | :28:37. | :28:46. |