29/10/2012 Inside Out Yorkshire and Lincolnshire


29/10/2012

The company deceiving vulnerable people across the country. Will a new incinerator planned for North Yorkshire be value for money? And uncovering a neglected masterpiece.


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Good evening. Here is what is on the show

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tonight: the Yorkshire businessman convicted or his role in the

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illegal arms trade. In British terms, if not the

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merchant of death he was Yorkshire's merchant of death.

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expose the mail-order company failing to deliver its promises.

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heart. But on the other hand, I was relieved that I was not going to

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get away any more money for nothing. I'm going up this road because it

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is here where the battle lines have been drawn. An investigating

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whether an incinerator in North Yorkshire is worth its 1.4 or

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billion pounds a east mac. -- �1.4 Almost the international arms trade

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is at 30 police worlds away from North Yorkshire. But the conviction

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of one York gun dealer shows it could flourish anywhere. A cold

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case has led to new questions on this deadly business.

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To those who knew him, Gary Hyde was the epitome of the respectable

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local entrepeneur. He was the classic upstanding member of the

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community - a successful businessman and former police

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special constable who had even received a bravery award by North

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Yorkshire Police for foiling a robbery.

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So just how did gary Hyde become an international arms dealer, a man

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wanted on two continents, whose stock in trade was the world's

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favourite killing machine. He is an unscrupulous businessman

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who deals in death. He deals in tens of thousands of

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assault rifles which he sells to security forces and armed groups

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all over the world. He is a major arms dealer, he is not just a gun

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shop owner. Gary Hyde's business empire was

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rooted in Yorkshire. He served the hunting and shooting set as

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managing director of York Guns. But he also had his own companies

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chasing legitimate government arms contracts across the globe...and

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Now this, it is the AK-47 or kalishnikov - cheap to produce,

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highly reliable and a favourite of third world armies and child

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soldiers across the globe. Sell these in high volume, and you can

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After the Balkan wars of the early 1990s, there were huge stockpiles

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of old Soviet-style weaponry in eastern Europe, including hundreds

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of thousands of AK-47s. The guns were surplus, but far from useless.

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The weapons were urgently needed to arm security forces fighting

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insurgencies. As the call went out to arm Iraqi

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and Afghan troops, private gun dealers across the globe were put

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on alert. And Gary Hyde sniffed an Gary Hyde was buying AKs for $12-13

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- no way the real value - he was selling them on for $150-300.

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But before the guns went to Afghanistan, they came to this

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sleepy corner of Lincolnshire. In 2009, Inside Out revealed that with

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British government approval Gary Hyde brought 70,000 AK-47s to this

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secretive former Cold War storage depot at Faldingworth. A

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significant number were moved on to Afghanistan and MPs and human

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rights groups in the UK were concerned.

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A government inquiry in the US revealed several hundred thousand

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of the very same weapons that the likes of Gary and others were

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supplying had gone missing - ended up in the arms of an insurgent, or

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were simply not accounted for, serial numbers not recorded, no

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accurate track on where the weapons But the government approved deals

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continued. Ammunition was moved to Iraq from South Africa and Serbia,

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tens of thousands of magazines were sent to Afghanistan, and he

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fulfilled an MoD contract for 6,500 pistols and up to 300 machine guns

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from China to Basra. The shipment arrived as the Iraqi police force

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in the city was being infiltrated by Shia militiamen. And still the

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deals kept coming. These are the Wikileak cables

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revealed at the beginning of 2011 and amongst all the detail and

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allegations is this one - confidential plans to sell 130,000

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Romanian AK-47s to Colonel Gadaffi's regime in Libya.

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The document revealed a contract between a Ukranian arms

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manufacturer and Libya's equivalent of the Ministry of Defence. But it

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was to be facilitated by York Guns - the company which Gary Hyde was

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managing director of. Licences were The reason why it was turned down

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was quite obvious - only 76,000 troops in libyan army, double the

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amount of kalishnikovs necessary for the armed forces and the

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likelihood was that a number of those weapons were not intended for

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Libya but for neighbouring armed York Guns has distanced itself from

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Gary hyde and say no allegations have been directed at the company

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and that they were not involved in his activities, which continued to

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grow. By now Gary Hyde was building a

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reputation as a keen businessman who would go that extra mile to

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clinch the deal. So when he was arrested by US

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Marshalls in Las Vegas at America's biggest gathering of gun dealers,

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more than a few eyebrows were raised.

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Gary Hyde had fallen foul of US trade regulations with China, and

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the import/export of 5,000 Chinese- made AK-47 magazine barrels had

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aroused the suspicion of government agents. Gary Hyde denies any wrong

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doing and the charges still have to be dealt with. But when he returned

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to Britain, the authorities were British customs were interested in

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a deal in 2007 to provide 80,000 guns plus 32 million rounds of

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ammunition to the Nigerian security forces. It was weaponry that the

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Nigerians urgently needed, but the country was not going to war, it

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I found there was all sorts of weapons heading into Nigeria to

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kind of bolster what is called their gunpowder politics - weapons

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given to youths to brandish to If you are supplying AK-47s to

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police officers that is highly questionable because they are used

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to shoot people, they do not have the capacity to fire rubber bullets

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The weapons had come from China in a $10 million deal brokered by Gary

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Hyde. Under UK legislation any arms deal arranged here needs to be

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licenced and the crucial piece of paper was not applied for. Gary

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Hyde claimed he had done the business away from the UK and that

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a licence was not necessary. Customs officers seized computers

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at Hyde's home in Newton on Derwent near York, their investigation

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revealed a commission of $1.3 million dollars had been paid,

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money that was hidden in a bank account in the tax haven of

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Litchenstein. Gary Hyde has since been sacked by

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York Guns. One industry insider admits that the case will be used

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as further ammunition against the British gun trade.

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Certainly this is of grave concern to everyone in the gun trade, any

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laws broken should be slapped down and punished accordingly. We are

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concerned, this is our livelihood and it is important that we are

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seen to operate in a legal manner. We operate in a tightly regulated

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Gary hyde was found guilty at Southwark Crown Court of flouting

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arms brokering laws and concealing the profits of the deal. He will be

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sentenced next month. You could say he was Britain's most

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significant kalishnikov dealer, so in British terms, if he was not the

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merchant of death, he was certainly Gary Hyde is paying a heavy price

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for his part in the global gun trade but for those working in the

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field of arms control, he is not a one-off.

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If you take someone like Gary Hyde out of the equation, won't someone

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else just pop up in his place? Oh, yes, that is it. Gary Hyde is

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one of many entrepeneurs involved in the arms business, but there is

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always a market for weapons and there is a grey market for weapons

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and ammunition for sure, and that is the sort of world that Gary Hyde

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He is almost the Arthur Daley of the UK arms trade. He is dealing in

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large quantities of second-hand old equipment from the former Soviet

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Union, the only people who deal in this kind of kit are the kind of

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people who are wheeling and dealing on the fringes of the acceptable

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Still to come: will it be good value for money to get an

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incinerator coming from here in this castle?

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If you get a letter saying you have one huge cash prize, all due to do

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his reply and sent a photo for publicity and buy something from

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the mail-order catalogue. It sounds too good to be true, it is. But

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that is who count as vulnerable and elderly people been targeted by one

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John Chappell from West Yorkshire is disabled and cares for his 88

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year old blind mother. Day after day letters arrive telling him he

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is the winner of huge cheque. To get the money fast, he needs to

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order some goods. Not that you may win it, you may Exley when it. You

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have to send in your order so they can send the cheque. They've ended

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up with drawers full of products they don't need - many from a

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company called Vital Nature. That is extra strength lutein. Pills and

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potions aimed at the frail and elderly are stacked into boxes in

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every room. John is a retired West Yorkshire policeman, but he still

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sent off dangerous personal details to confirm his win. They insist on

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some form of identification. There we have a copy of the passport

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which has been sent to them. Also, they require a photograph to be

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used on the publication. It is a bit like when you're a drug addict,

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they feed you with so much that you have won it. There is only one more

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step. You do that one more step and you do it again. And then at one

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point my mother said, let's knock it on the head. They also require a

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smaller version to make sure it is the same person. Not only has it

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cost us in money, it has also cost of sue macro -- Awesome Mack and

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stamps. It is all over and above. I would do anything for a, you see.

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John sent his photographs and prize claim forms to addresses in

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Scotland and Hampshire. He never received a reply - just more post

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requesting more orders and promising prizes. We've uncovered

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evidence showing that while cheques are cashed and orders processed,

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letters from confused pensioners asking what's happened to their

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promised prizes are thrown away unread. People from all over the

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country have fallen for this con and in every case it can be traced

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back to one address. The UK nerve centre for a huge mail order scam -

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Emery LTD In Hampshire. They are clearly not reading their letters.

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Time to give them a voice. Glenn Close My order cheque and forms. I

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and 90 years old, in a wheelchair, cannot walk, had two heart attacks,

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got angina... Our loud hailer is going down a storm. Neighbouring

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businesses are more than happy to listen to letters from confused

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customers, which is more than can be said for the company that throws

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them away. One employee whose job it was to bin the customers'

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letters, was so appalled at the part a UK business plays in this

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deception, she went undercover with a camera to show what happens. The

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mail handling company works for a Frenchman who runs a number of

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businesses in Europe, promising prizes in return for orders Time to

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go and see some of the people It had me convinced. The more

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letters I opened, the more I thought, this cannot be right. It

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People confused, generally asking about their prize, why they haven't

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got it. A lot of people needing Many of the mail order companies

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are owned by the same person, a wealthy Frenchman Anita UK postal

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address -- who needs. While their customers may be left all at sea,

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the Gebbetts appear to be riding high on a wave of success. His son

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Nick lives in Norfolk. Nothing on Twitter about running a company

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involved in a mass marketing scam. Here's dad David, who often pops in

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for a chat at the company. And here's his son Nick, who appears to

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be in charge. While they throw away most letters they receive, Nick

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Gebbett did read the one we sent him. He replied they'd only answer

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our questions with a statement if we used it in full and unedited.

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Obviously we want to hear their side of the story - but we can't go

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giving promises like that to anyone. But I still needed to know why they

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thought it was OK to do the dirty work for a French scammer. I am a

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from BBC Inside Out. Can I ask why your company continues to chat --

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cash cheques of vulnerable people. We have sent a statement to you and

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that all -- that is all there is to it. Your staff as being instructed

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to shred their letters. I cannot comment. Why do you continue to

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have dealings with the company? cannot comment on that. I'm sorry.

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I have to go. What you say to people who think they had been

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taken for a ride by this company? Your company could stop it

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happening. If we did, some other company would do it. That does not

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make it right. You have got nothing to say to these people. Surely you

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all them something? His reply, no comment. If they did not do it,

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someone else would. Does that make My message to companies working as

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a third party to a criminal enterprise is that yes, you are on

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borrowed time. My job is to close in as quickly as we can to stop you

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operating, to bring you to justice and to make sure that you are seen

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as part of that criminal conspiracy. We are closing in on you whether

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you are in the UK or you're operating for somebody outside the

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UK. We're bringing it together on behalf of the nation. We're there

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to make sure that people in our society, people in the UK, are less

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susceptible to a criminal methods. Our job is to make sure that we

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protect the people of this country. At this moment in time, I am living

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on hope. I think our work here is done. We have truly given them a

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voice. In the next 24 hours decisions will be made over plans

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to build a controversial new waste incinerator. It is a public-private

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partnership and it will cost �1.4 billion. It will last of the next

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25 years. Will this be worth the Everyone agrees that recycling is a

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good thing - but the question of what we do with the waste that's

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left behind is the subject of heated debate. I'm on my way up the

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A1, because it's there that the battles lines have been drawn in a

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protracted war about the rights and wrongs of building a huge waste

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incineration plant that some fear will be too big, too expensive and

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be one incinerator too many. The row centres on this site at

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Allerton Park near Knaresborough, where a large incinerator and waste

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processing plant will be built, using controversial PFI money.

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Critics say this method of funding, where the private sector build

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facilities and then charges the public sector to use them, can tie

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taxpayers to expensive commitments for decades to come. And it's to

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this former quarry that all of North Yorkshire's household black

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bin bags will be sent. There'll be extra recycling on site, and power

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created from waste - the rest will be burnt. And the size of such a

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plant has raised obvious concerns Now if you're after a building that

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dominates the landscape, look no further than Allerton Castle. But

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this Grade One-listed mansion will be dwarfed by the incinerator which

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would be built just a mile away. Millionaire American philanthropist

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Gerald Rolph is a trustee of the foundation that owns the castle.

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How big is this proposed incinerator? Probably larger than

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this in many ways. And of course up to me, to have that happen, which

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is a detriment to your heritage, I am concerned and I am against it.

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solution to North Yorkshire's waste problem has been ten years in the

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offing. Landfill was increasingly seen as unsustainable and expensive.

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The local authority's answer was an incinerator plant. Almost �6

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million in consultancy fees later, its future is about to be decided.

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On the one side there's big business and two large local

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authorities. The incinerator will be built by waste management multi-

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national Ameycespa, who'll then charge North Yorkshire County

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Council and the City of York Council to burn their domestic

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waste. They say it'll actually save money. North Yorkshire and York are

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facing a bill to deal with their waste. If we carry on dealing with

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it as we are, in today's fashion. The project proposed should reduce

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that by 1.4 billion. At this point in time those costs continue to

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change. This is not and was never meant to be the cheapest solution.

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This was about finding the best solution for the disposal of waste.

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But the protestors argue there are cheaper alternatives than spending

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�1.4 billion - and 10,000 signatures have been gathered and

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local MPs brought on side. And in the evenings, there's fighting talk.

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That is a critical point. This facility is far too big. They say

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being tied to a 25-year deal doesn't make sense. There are other

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options they could do over a shorter time periods where they

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could make more appropriate decisions than track and they could

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say a lot of money. The protestors believe now's not the time to press

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ahead, but to re-examine other options.. They say that the

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proposed project is not the right solution to North Yorkshire's waste

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problem. And rather than one big incinerator, they want smaller

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energy from waste centres, closer to the communities that create the

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rubbish in the first place. What to do with domestic waste has been an

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issue ever since the Victorians latched onto the idea of burning it.

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Over on the continent they've been building incinerators close to

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urban centres so that schools, hospitals and residents can benefit

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from the heat that's produced. But with its countryside location, the

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heat from Allerton Park will be wasted - further proof, say the

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protestors, that it's being built in the wrong place And what's

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fanning the flames is that Allerton Park isn't the only waste plant in

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the pipeline. There's talk of incinerators for Teesside,

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Ferrybridge and Kellingley - and some are wondering whether the

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Allerton Park scheme will be one chimney too many. The protestors

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have commissioned their own report on the proposal. One of Britain's

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leading waste consultancies have examined the figures for the

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Allerton Park incinerator, and say there's a problem. We are seemed

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less material being thrown away and yet we are seen more facilities

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being either built or going through the planning process to be built.

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We are concerned that in a few years we will have more capacity to

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deal with this refused and we will have refuse. The councils deny

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there'll be problems, and say that even if there are fluctuations in

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domestic waste, commercial waste will fill the gap. And that's

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opened up another accusation that there could be a two-tier pricing

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structure - a high one for the local authorities, and a cheaper

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one to attract other waste companies. We try as the commercial

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operators Les? It is not fixed. It will not be cheaper. It is a

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commercial decision. Will the council's beyond that flexible

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rate? And no, they are, fixed rate for 25 years. The Council could

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find themselves snooping. If the cost for getting rid of waste goes

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down, they could find themselves tied into a rate where they are

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paying double the rate? It is extremely unlikely the cost will go

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down. At one of North Yorkshire's largest private trade waste

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companies, they're watching developments closely, especially as

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more and more British firms are producing waste that can only be

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recycled. The drive in the commercial world now is a zero

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waste. That is through a combination of working with them to

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reduce waste, and giving all the priority to recycling, innovator of

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recycling processes. Do you ever see a wagon pulling up at Allerton

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Park? I would be very surprised unless their model changes

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significantly. Back near Allerton Park the residents remain worried

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about what the future might bring. The incinerator might be a bit too

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close for comfort for the locals - but they deny a 'not in my back

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yard' attitude. I'd turn the NIMBY argument on its head - it's York

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that's being the ultimate NIMBY by not having incineration within its

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boundaries. The city of York are one of the sponsors. They will not

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permit incineration. So are there other waste solutions on the

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horizon? On the outskirts of Swindon, Advanced Plasma Power has

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developed an energy form called gasplasma - turning municipal waste

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into an energy rich gas which can be used in turbines, gas engines

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and fuel cells. They're also planning to return to landfill

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sites to reclaim the metals and plastics that we threw away decades

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ago, thinking they were worthless. Local authorities could be sitting

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on gold mines, and rather than burning waste, they could be

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digging it up.. I think we are in the process of their paradigm shift

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from seeing waste has rubbish that we throw away, to actually a

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valuable resource in its own right. The reserves of gold, for example,

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he landfills. Whether its gold or rubbish, North Yorkshire

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councillors have a big decision to make tomorrow - one that many

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believe could have consequences beyond the next 25 years. That is

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it. If there is anything you have missed, you can get it on the

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Inside Out goes undercover to find out more about the company deceiving elderly and vulnerable people across the country. Also Toby Foster investigates whether a new incinerator planned for North Yorkshire is really worth its one point four billion pound price tag. And how restoration at York Minster is helping to uncover the glories of a neglected masterpiece.


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