10/12/2012 Inside Out Yorkshire and Lincolnshire


10/12/2012

Toby Foster investigates the man who claims he talks to the dead. Asha Tanna meets the cockneys who moved north. And Lucy Hester discovers the Peak District's most famous rescue.


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Lay good evening and welcome to Inside Out. Here is what is on

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tonight's show. A man who is touring the North who says he

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really can speak to the dead. We put his claims to the test.

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And could move in people north be the answer to a housing shortage?

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It was tried more than a decade ago but did it work? It was a bit weird

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when I first moved up because I thought they had just invented the

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wheel. London is a bit faster than what Lincoln is. Also tonight:

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Remembering that caving tragedy that gripped the nation as rescue

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teams battled to save a young student. The doctor is passing

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oxygen? Yes, they pass and it all the time. Is he conjures? I do not

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First tonight, to the man who claims he has a phone link to the

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spirit world and can talk to the dead. Stephen Holbrook tours across

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the North of England and thousands of people think he is a genuine

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medium but can he really hear voices or is he using traditional

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entertainer's skills to convince his audience? We put his techniques

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This is a story of spirits, bereavement and tricks. In central

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Leeds, a member of the Inside Out team wearing a secret camera is on

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their way to film a man who says he This is Stephen Holbrook and that

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is his stiff left hand. It is like wood. Sometimes it turns blue. It

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is a sign that Archie, Stephen's dead spirit guide, is on the phone.

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Stephen says he channels messages just like a phone. But he reverses

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the charges and his audience pays premium rates. Activists from the

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Newcastle and Merseyside Skeptics Societies, fresh from checking out

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Stephen's performance. They are not impressed. He does not speak to the

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deceased. He is as clairvoyant as a teapot. I would say he is not

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psychic. So who is right? Stephen Holbrook who says he genuinely can

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hear the spirits, and who claims his powers prove there is life

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after death? Or the sceptics, who say that he is an entertainment

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performer using the magician's tricks? It is important because if

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Stephen's phone carries nuisance calls and Archie and the spirit on

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a real, there is a problem with the law. If a trader gives false

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information or misleading information to consumers, and that

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causes people to do some think they would not otherwise have done, such

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as buy a ticket or travel to an event, they could potentially be a

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criminal offence. Some people say the performance is for

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entertainment purposes only. Is that sufficient? If if he is saying

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and an entertainer, I am a magician, Allende's and cold reading

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techniques and I cannot speak to the spirit world, that is what he

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needs to say. But Stephen never says it is just for entertainment.

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Singh, audience members are in tears as he relays messages from

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the spirits of dead babies, children's, mums and dads. It's one

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thing if they are receiving messages from the spirits but if

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they are repeatedly paying to be manipulated by psychological tricks,

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there is a danger they could get stuck in their grief and suffer

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real damage. I think this is a type of exploitation of the worst sort.

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It is manipulating people at a terrible time in their lives. One

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of the worst consequences for people who are very vulnerable is

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they can end up stuck in that early stage of grieving and will never be

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able to relinquish it or move on from it. Back in Leeds, a large

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part of the performance consists of Stephen asking questions. Sometimes

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Stephen performs all over the north, doing more than 20 shows a month,

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nine months a year. His website is full of testimonials from satisfied

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customers. Thank you so much for the wonderful message you gave to

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us in Middlesbrough. At Bolton Masonic Hall, I was in shock.

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confirmed that my dad knew he was going to die. But he also has his

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critics. I thought that the advert was nonsensical, laughable, and

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then I got quite cross about it. I think it is disgraceful. He would

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say why is there very important you? I was staggered at that kind

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of question. February could be important for any number of reasons.

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Ellis told Stephen about a dead boyfriend. Stephen told Ellis what

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his spirit was saying. He spoke about the funeral, he said the

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funeral rock and thank you for the flowers. He also spoke about that

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my boyfriend loved a and he cared for me. But Ellis's dead boyfriend

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never existed. My boyfriend is not dead and none of my boyfriends in

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the past have died. Now we get three experts, all psychic

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entertainers or magicians to analyse Stephen's performance. They

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all say he is using traditional magician's techniques. To her by

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throwing out around and date, he will get a strong sense of a hit

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with at least one person in the room. Random pieces of information

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which people will latch on to which he will then embellish. It is

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taking a little bit of information, scattering it around to a big group

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of people and finding that one person who seems to give something

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of. They say Stephen is practising cold reading, an entertainer's way

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of finding a personal details through clever questioning.

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look at someone and you read their micro reflections and statistically

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workout what is likely for that person. Like inheriting jury. --

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jewellery. Now Kennedy shows how easily it is done. He asks people

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to write down the name of somebody they have not seen for a long time.

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Kennedy will tell them the name using classic magician's tricks but

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he will also tell them their personal details using cold reading.

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Is that person younger than you? The best. Is it a son type figure?

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Yes. Has your son passed on. Yes. do not want you to get upset. Is

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there a piece of jewellery that is significant? Yes. Is it a ring?

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That is interesting. I knew those things. It is scary. This is the

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person with the dark hair? Yes. About this sort of length? Yes.

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is she saying about the dogs? This will make sense to you rather than

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me? Something about dogs. That is creepy. What happened. A where I

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used to work. I sometimes used to get puppies in who we were training.

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Is it Doreen Orde Dorian? Who is she? Doreen. That is my ex-boss.

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She died about four years ago. not psychic, but I am able to work

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out things by your responses and the way you react. Batters all I am

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doing. So they all think Stephen is putting on an act. For Stephen, for

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such a good talker, he turned remarkably quiet. He gave us a

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statement which said he would never succumb to cold reading. His

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questions are for clarification of the factors. And our experts are

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not in the least be qualified to judge has worked. He also said he

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did not advertise his shows as entertainment shows because they

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were genuine. But while he was telling us that, he changed his

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website to say they were for entertainment only. He would not

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explain that contradiction. Stranger still wear the messages he

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received on the psychic phone from Ennis's fictional dead boyfriend.

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Remember, the one she made up. His statement said that was an

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appalling example of theft because the spirit's message was real and

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meant for another person. Ennis had stolen it. Stephen would not

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explain why the spirit did not just say, no, that is not my ex-

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girlfriend. We have presented evidence suggesting Stephen

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Holbrook is not the real thing. He uses techniques employed by

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entertainers. He now admits on his website that he is an entertainer.

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For years, Stephen made a lot of money exploiting people's grief.

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Some may get comfort from what he does but they need to consider the

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tricks of the trade we have shown Still to come: The tragic legacy of

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a caving rescue here in the Peak District. When I got there, it did

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Now, when a London council recently suggested people move north to help

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with their housing shortage, it was a concept which drew a lot of

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negative headlines but it is not a new idea. Over a decade ago lot of

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Cockneys moved up here for a fresh start in a new home. How did they

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take to life in the north and could London councils may be moving

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people to area where rents are cheaper like the north of England

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and it has caused uproar. It is wrong, inappropriate and

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potentially against the law. here in Huddersfield it did not

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seem like a ridiculous idea because they have done it 12 years ago. It

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is not the most obvious of places to look for a solution to the

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capital's housing crisis but Huddersfield was for a short while

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the destination of choice for Cockneys looking to move out of

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time. I said anything near Halifax is wonderful. It cannot be that bad.

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It was a Mini exodus, hundreds of Londoners making new lives in this

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land of rolling hills and empty spaces and at the time, a load of

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empty council houses. Some of these houses were houses we sold to

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London people who came for a look around. Back in 1999, this man's

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job was to find new tenants to fill 1,000 of those homes. In those days

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I used to get up early at 5:30am and watch breakfast television.

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Tony Blair has talked about the scandal of people living rough on

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the streets. At that time they were doing interviews for people in

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London who were homeless people. I thought, even if we could get some

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of our properties in Kirklees for these homeless people, that would

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be really good to get half a dozen people out of London into a nice

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house. He took his idea around councils in inner-city London and

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persuaded them to send prospective This is one of our three-bedroom

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houses. New PVC windows. I was very cautious to tell them that it was

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going to be easy to come out of London into Kirklees because if

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they were not sure, it would be a difficult way to get back. Some

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people were able to resist the delights of Huddersfield and headed

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straight back to London but many others took up the offer. The

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questionnaires, did it ever become home? -- the question it is. This

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moved up with a extended family from the East End. I built this

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about eight years ago. Joyce has won prizes for the way she has

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looked after the properties. They become homes. My daughter moved up

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here first. She found a scheme that was moving people up north and they

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were now living here on the same street. They said, why don't you

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get one, up mum? I said, they are never going to get me a property.

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The chances of me getting one in London were nothing. Within the

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first couple of weeks, they offered me a flat around the corner. We

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didn't even know we with different. Sometimes it was fun. The words

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they say different live. But, you know, we didn't have too much

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problem. This seemed to work with us. Up to 1,000 people moved out of

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London in a two-year period. were the pioneers and people from

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Newcastle, Hull, anywhere with lots and lots of properties. The new

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tenants were happy, too. A BBC film crew caught up with a family who

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had moved to an estate in Lincoln in 2001. I was shocked when people

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would say excuse me, thank you, good morning. I am not used to

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that! We used to have to go out in the morning and make sure there was

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no syringes and broken glass before we took them to school. This is

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Colin today and running a volunteer group on the same estate and

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cooking up a full English for friends and neighbours every Friday.

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I have done lots of gardening, lots of decorating, lots of clearing the

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snow, a lot of shopping for all Dave pension has been they could

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not get out. We have done a lot. Many of their friends and

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neighbours are also Londoners in exile. There are people near us now

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who only lived a few miles away from where we used to live, which

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is strange. It was a bit weird when I first moved. I thought they had

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just invented the wheel. Obviously London is a bit faster than what

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Lincoln is. It is the best thing we've done. I have two kids. The

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16-year-old stayed on at school, the 14-year-old is deciding what he

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wants to do but they would not have got that choice in London. Spurred

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on by the success in places like Huddersfield and Lincoln, the out

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of London project was extended and became part of a national scheme.

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Council tenants could now relocate anywhere in the country. We had

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many thousands of very happy tenants moving, often to be closer

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to their families, and it was very successful and actually very cost-

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effective. In 2004, the government of the day decided it wanted to

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test out the value of the scheme and it therefore gave the contract

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to another organisation to run the national scheme.

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But computer software problems stopped it dead. No-one was moving

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anywhere, and it was haemorrhaging money. The programme was so badly

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delayed that with �10 million already spent, the government axed

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the contract and suspended all house move schemes. London councils

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stepped in but the momentum was already lost. There is no longer a

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mobility scheme, but there are still tenants who want to get out

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of London. I've recently suffered a couple of family bereavements. I

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have got health problems, disabilities, and I don't have any

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family in London any more so it is really important for me, when I

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lost my family members, to be able to move back up the north.

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The only option for people like Kirstein who need to stay in social

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housing is to find a house swap. But they have to do this for

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themselves, not through the council. And it's not guaranteed they will

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find someone in the right place who wants to move. I knew there well

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various websites that did have them and I found somebody surprisingly

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if we wanted to move to London, and this part of London, from

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Chesterfield. They had the same size house as me and everything and

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I could not believe my luck. Kirstein is now ready to move out.

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We started the process or 20th August and we signed the final

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paperwork yesterday! -- on 28th August. It doesn't necessarily

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always go as swiftly as you would like. London councils are now being

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forced to look outside the capital for emergency housing but it seems

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the supplier of vacant homes has dried up. We contacted housing

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providers across Yorkshire and Lincolnshire and ask them if they

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would be willing to take the London tenants. Out of 49 who responded,

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only four would even consider this. So there is unlikely to be another

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exodus to Kirklees or anywhere near here anytime soon. Thousands of

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people needs homes but there seems no political will to turn back the

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clocks. Some things are out of our control in life, whether it is

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health and other issues. It is kind of nice to have control over where

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you want to live. Now, in 1959 a young student became

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trapped in one of the caves that criss-crossed the landscape up here

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in the Peak District. Mountain rescue was still in its infancy and

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the mission to save him gripped the This is one of the most beautiful

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places in the country - the Derbyshire Peak District. These

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limestone hills are hollow, full of caves and underground passages. For

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decades, cavers have been lured to discover the secrets of its depths.

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But beneath the beauty, it can be a place of danger. For 60 years,

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Derbyshire Cave Rescue has saved hundreds of people in trouble

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underground. Regular training means they are prepared for anything. But

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just seven years after it was formed, an incident arose which

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tested the fledgling organisation to its limits. This is Peak Cavern

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where in 1959 the world watched, gripped, while one of the most

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dramatic cave rescue bids in history took place. You could hear

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his heart beating, you could hear him making noises. But at about two,

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it went quiet. If you'd seen it, it looked

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absolutely suicidal to go down there.

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On 22nd of March 1959, a group of cavers entered Peak Cavern near

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Castleton in Derbyshire with the intention of exploring a newly

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discovered shaft. Their route would take them a kilometre underground,

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eventually ending at a large chamber.

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Among the party was Neil Moss, a young man from Oxford University, a

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philosophy student with a passion for caving, eager to discover the

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hidden depths of this enormous cave system. He was 6 ft 3, fit. The

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journey was a challenge, taking in water, long crawls and tight

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squeezes, but Neil was an experienced caver.

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An hour and a half later, the party had arrived at the chamber. Neil

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volunteered to go down first, into a passage which was no more than a

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narrow tube. Ten minutes later, and 40 feet down, he was in trouble.

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The problem was caused by the fact he was so tall. When he got to the

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narrow bit, he couldn't bend his legs to set foot on the ladder.

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That's when he shouted he was stuck. The rest of the party tried pulling

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him out, but the ladder had got stuck. They got ropes round him,

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but one after another broke. He was starting to lose consciousness

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because of the foul air. One of the party made the long

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journey to the surface to raise the alarm. Volunteer cavers made their

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way to the chamber. Some went down the shaft several times, but each

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time were driven back by the lack of oxygen.

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It was clear the situation was desperate. Neil's parents were

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informed, and the rescue was stepped up.

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Before long, this quiet village became the centre of a massive

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rescue operation. Hundreds of people turned out to offer to help

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in whatever way they could. It was just like a fairground. Lama will

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vehicles of all descriptions. Ambulances, but National Coal Board.

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At that time, we had no idea what was happening. Lorry-loads of

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oxygen arrived, doctors from the nearby RAF base called in, and the

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BBC transmitted regular bulletins. A rope has been put around the

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injured student and they've managed to move him about two feet.

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there a doctor passing him oxygen? Yes. Is this Judean conscious?

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don't think so far. -- is the student conscious? The rescue had

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now gone into its second day. About this time a young caver called

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Ralph Johnson turned up to offer his help. He was only 17, small and

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perfect for the job. I was overwhelmed. I had never done

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anything like that before. When I got there, it didn't look good. I

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looked down the hall and there was a ladder down, and oxygen line to

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Neil. I went down with a safety line and an oxygen line to me. You

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can imagine what it was like with all of these pipes.

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By now doctors were working in shifts to attend Neil should they

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manage to get him out. Geoffrey Willis was a young GP from Buxton.

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We were there for hours, pumping oxygen and listening to the

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breathing. It would very. Sometimes it was quite regular, sometimes it

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would fade away. Then they would pump more oxygen down. We hoped we

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were going to do something. It was frantic, the efforts to try and

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help him. By now, the story had gone global.

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Telegrams were arriving from France, Germany, America, suggesting ways

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of helping Neil. Castleton resident Pat Dale remembers. I was in the

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post office when the telegrams were coming in. Bearing in mind they had

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the minimal amount of words on a telegram to try to get the

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explanation across as to how they could get this young man out of the

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cave. It was quite distressing listening to the people trying to

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explain by telegram what to do. Rubber night, conditions had

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worsened. -- throughout the night. The idea was that I would go down

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and attach a rope to him. By this time they had put an iron hook on

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the end of the rope and the idea was to get it under his armpits.

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But to be honest, I didn't know where he was. All I could do was

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feel him. Before I went down, I thought it

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didn't seem possible they wouldn't get him out, but when I went down,

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it became obvious it was a lost cause. Despite the best efforts of

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the rescuers, nothing more could be done. Neil was close to death.

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He was making noises, very weak, like someone asleep. Just making

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sounds. Sadly... The last sound he made was at 2am. The eye was

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standing on his shoulders. But I couldn't actually see him. I knew I

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was standing on somebody because it was soft. That was it. I had to

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come out. Neil Moss died early in the morning

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on Tuesday 24th March, 36 hours after entering the shaft. The

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rescue was abandoned and everyone made their way out.

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Neil's father had kept vigil through the long hours. As Geoffrey

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:26:53.:26:53.

Willis left the cave, he noticed him nearby. One sad, sad thing.

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Neil Moss's father was standing apart on his own. I wish I had gone

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and spoken to him but I felt I would leave him to his own grief

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really. His parents made it clear we

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weren't to risk anyone else. Neil was dead and nothing would bring

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him back. If we could have got the body out, it would have been nice

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but we were not to take any risks. Several attempts were made to

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remove Neil's body but they've proved fruitless so it was decided

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it should be his final resting place. The shaft was blocked up and

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his body is still there today. The people of Castleton will never

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forget what happened over those days in 1959. It was a very sad

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affair and of course it lingers on. We all know that Neil Moss's body

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is there and there is nothing anybody can do about it. Nobody

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will ever go down again. Many lessons were learned from the

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Neil Moss tragedy and Derbyshire Cave Rescue was completely

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reorganised as a result of it. are often asked if the same thing

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happened today, what would be the result? It is difficult to say.

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Things have moved on unbelievably in those 50 years but it would

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That is all from us in the Peak District. Remember if you have got

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Toby Foster investigates the man who claims he can talk to the dead. Also Asha Tanna catches up with the cockneys who moved north for a new life more than a decade ago. And Lucy Hester discovers the tragedy behind one of the Peak District's most famous rescue mission.


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