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It is 30 years since the miners' strike started here in Yorkshire ` | :00:11. | :00:15. | |
an industrial dispute which caused deep divisions and helped define Mrs | :00:16. | :00:24. | |
Thatcher's Britain. Whatever the rights and wrongs, no`one can deny | :00:25. | :00:27. | |
the hardship faced by the miners and their families and the devastating | :00:28. | :00:30. | |
social impact of pit closures in the years that followed. But there's | :00:31. | :00:36. | |
another legacy of the strike which still causes real bitterness. It's | :00:37. | :00:45. | |
about money and the man who used to lead the miners, Arthur Scargill. | :00:46. | :01:04. | |
Tonight, Inside Out investigates questions about money and the miners | :01:05. | :01:14. | |
and asks why over the past 30 years ?700,000 has been paid to the | :01:15. | :01:18. | |
National union of miners to a separate organisation of which | :01:19. | :01:24. | |
Arthur Scargill is president. Loyalty to every minor and every | :01:25. | :01:29. | |
minor'swife in this country. 30 years ago, Arthur Scargill could | :01:30. | :01:32. | |
claim to be the most powerful trade union boss in Britain. He was always | :01:33. | :01:35. | |
controversial. To his critics, he was an enemy within. To many of his | :01:36. | :01:41. | |
supporters, he could do no wrong. Jim Kelly was a young miner at the | :01:42. | :01:45. | |
Yorkshire Main pit at Edlington, near Doncaster. He followed Arthur | :01:46. | :01:50. | |
Scargill without question. During the strike there was nothing better | :01:51. | :01:54. | |
than him. We'd have followed him to the end of the world and, in effect, | :01:55. | :02:02. | |
we probably did. Do you want a president who is ready to sit down | :02:03. | :02:07. | |
in a backfield `` in a back room doing secret deals? Don't vote for | :02:08. | :02:14. | |
me. But here at NUM headquarters in Barnsley, 30 years after the strike, | :02:15. | :02:17. | |
there's a deep rift between Arthur Scargill and the man who is in | :02:18. | :02:24. | |
charge of his old union. I think Arthur's lasting legacy is in two | :02:25. | :02:28. | |
halves. If you take what he did during the strike, just before and | :02:29. | :02:31. | |
just after then he had a very positive impact on the union. | :02:32. | :02:38. | |
Unfortunately, anybody that's looking at Arthur now on recent | :02:39. | :02:41. | |
events would see him in a very different light. | :02:42. | :02:45. | |
Relations between Arthur Scargill and the NUM have hit rock bottom. | :02:46. | :02:48. | |
There's been a series of legal disputes. In 2012, he got an out of | :02:49. | :02:52. | |
court settlement from the NUM over expenses due to him, including a car | :02:53. | :02:57. | |
allowance. A year ago, he lost the right to stay in his London flat for | :02:58. | :03:01. | |
life at the expense of his old union. There is no question that the | :03:02. | :03:08. | |
union could afford and can afford the payments of that entitlement to | :03:09. | :03:11. | |
which I was entitled and am entitled and I find it rather perverse that a | :03:12. | :03:15. | |
judgement of this kind can be given in today's terms. I would say it's | :03:16. | :03:19. | |
time now to walk away, Mr Scargill. You've been found out. The NUM is | :03:20. | :03:23. | |
not your personal bank account and never will be again. | :03:24. | :03:27. | |
It was a very bitter court case. We've got two of the documents. Both | :03:28. | :03:31. | |
produced in evidence, both likely to do little for Mr Scargill's | :03:32. | :03:36. | |
reputation. One document dates from 1993. It's an application by Mr | :03:37. | :03:41. | |
Scargill to buy his rented Barbican flat from the landlord, the | :03:42. | :03:43. | |
Corporation of London, at a discounted price. | :03:44. | :03:50. | |
This is where Mr Scargill lives, in a very expensive part of Central | :03:51. | :03:55. | |
London. It's hardly a typical council estate. Flats here sell for | :03:56. | :03:57. | |
nearly ?1 million. And Mr Scargill, perhaps Mrs Thatcher's most bitter | :03:58. | :04:00. | |
enemy, was trying to use highly controversial right`to`buy | :04:01. | :04:02. | |
legislation introduced by the Conservatives so tenants could buy | :04:03. | :04:05. | |
their own council homes. It is so hypocritical it is unreal. It was | :04:06. | :04:07. | |
Thatcher's legislation that actually gave council tenants the right to | :04:08. | :04:11. | |
buy their houses. But the application was refused because it | :04:12. | :04:15. | |
wasn't his primary residence. He doesn't mention in his application | :04:16. | :04:18. | |
that the flat was paid for by the NUM. And, it was established in the | :04:19. | :04:22. | |
Barbican court case, that from 1991 until 2008 the NUM's National | :04:23. | :04:24. | |
Executive Committee didn't know it was paying for the flat. I think if | :04:25. | :04:32. | |
it had been made public before then I think there'd have been a huge | :04:33. | :04:37. | |
outcry. People would be actually astounded by knowing that. | :04:38. | :04:42. | |
Mr Scargill told us the proposal, if accepted, would have been put to the | :04:43. | :04:45. | |
NUM's National Executive and the flat would subsequently have been | :04:46. | :04:48. | |
transferred to the ownership of the NUM. He says it would have saved the | :04:49. | :04:52. | |
union a substantial amount of money and provided the union with an | :04:53. | :05:03. | |
asset. It was a bitter court case and nothing caused more bad feeling | :05:04. | :05:06. | |
than this letter, apparently written by one of Arthur Scargill's oldest | :05:07. | :05:11. | |
friends and colleagues. If we honestly believe that our demands | :05:12. | :05:15. | |
are justifiable. Macro. In December 2001, Frank Cave, the | :05:16. | :05:23. | |
vice`president of the NUM, was dying of cancer. Mr Cave's illness | :05:24. | :05:30. | |
coincided with Arthur Scargill's imminent retirement from the union | :05:31. | :05:38. | |
presidency. I visited Frank on quite a few occasions over those three | :05:39. | :05:42. | |
months. He was in a bad way. I've seen him over the years and he's | :05:43. | :05:56. | |
that was his worst period. At that was written, parent by Mr Cave, | :05:57. | :06:05. | |
setting light his entitlement. Arthur Scargill insisted in court | :06:06. | :06:08. | |
that he had played no part in writing or drafting this letter. | :06:09. | :06:17. | |
I've seen Frank more than most, I would suggest, and, as far as I was | :06:18. | :06:20. | |
concerned, Frank wouldn't have been writing letters. An earlier draft of | :06:21. | :06:31. | |
the letter which Sean, with a change in Arthur Scargill'sown handwriting. | :06:32. | :06:37. | |
The issue was whether or not the letter came from Mr Scargill and Mr | :06:38. | :06:41. | |
Justice Underhill found that it did. Arthur Scargill had known Frank Cave | :06:42. | :06:44. | |
for nearly 40 years. He delivered the oration at his funeral. I don't | :06:45. | :06:50. | |
want to actually say on camera what I actually think about the deed that | :06:51. | :06:55. | |
he did. I hope with my answers that you can actually pick up what I | :06:56. | :06:58. | |
actually think. I don't think very highly of the man at all for doing | :06:59. | :07:03. | |
what he did. I think Justice Underhill put it quite well in his | :07:04. | :07:06. | |
summing up, that when you've got somebody who has convinced himself | :07:07. | :07:09. | |
as to how things are, it is a lot easier then to create the documents | :07:10. | :07:13. | |
to justify that you're right and I think that's, basically, what | :07:14. | :07:21. | |
happened. Arthur had a vision of what the union was, what his rights | :07:22. | :07:24. | |
were, and then created the evidence to back up what he believed to be | :07:25. | :07:32. | |
reality. Mr Scargill told us he stands by his evidence. He rejects | :07:33. | :07:38. | |
Mr Kelly's allegation. He said the Judge had inexplicably disregarded | :07:39. | :07:40. | |
other evidence in the case, indicating Mr Cave had been alert, | :07:41. | :07:43. | |
aware and orientated right up to the time of his death In his judgment, | :07:44. | :07:47. | |
Mr Justice Underhill said it was very unlikely Mr Cave had written | :07:48. | :07:56. | |
the letter. There'd been a lack of transparency in Mr Scargill's | :07:57. | :07:59. | |
dealings and he had been prepared to be economical with the truth. The | :08:00. | :08:03. | |
judge said, I believe he suffers to a high degree from the common | :08:04. | :08:06. | |
tendency to reconstruct his recollection in a manner favourable | :08:07. | :08:12. | |
to himself. I think the common pattern has been that there's always | :08:13. | :08:15. | |
been that nobody seemed to know what was happening but, documentary`wise, | :08:16. | :08:17. | |
everything, all the documents seemed to be there for you to find, when | :08:18. | :08:21. | |
you actually started to look at them in context and what was happening in | :08:22. | :08:24. | |
the organisation at the time, it didn't seem plausible that that | :08:25. | :08:25. | |
would have happened that way. To Arthur Scargill's critics, this | :08:26. | :08:38. | |
lack of transparency is a familiar story. To understand the full nature | :08:39. | :08:44. | |
of the fall`out between Mr Scargill and his old union, you have got to | :08:45. | :08:47. | |
go back 30 years, when the miners were on strike. | :08:48. | :08:55. | |
It was a fight to the finish between two bitter enemies: the NUM and Mrs | :08:56. | :09:01. | |
Thatcher's government. Early in the strike, after a court case, | :09:02. | :09:03. | |
accountants were called in to identify the union's assets. | :09:04. | :09:06. | |
Eventually, a receiver was appointed to control the NUM's finances. The | :09:07. | :09:12. | |
union effectively, very soon after the beginning of the strike, had no | :09:13. | :09:18. | |
funds, no income coming in. Its members were on strike and yet there | :09:19. | :09:24. | |
were expenses to be met. The NUM needed money to survive and it got | :09:25. | :09:27. | |
millions of pounds in donations from supporters and well`wishers, much of | :09:28. | :09:42. | |
it in cash. There are no receipts, often foreign currency, and it just | :09:43. | :09:45. | |
went into St James' House, went into the headquarters, on the basis, I | :09:46. | :09:48. | |
think he'd said, oh, well, you don't need a receipt you know what we're | :09:49. | :09:53. | |
going to use it for anyway. Understandably, the NUM wanted to | :09:54. | :09:55. | |
keep money away from its accountants. There was a need for | :09:56. | :10:01. | |
secrecy. One French`based journalist remembers helping trade unionists | :10:02. | :10:03. | |
bring secret donations of cash into the UK. I am absolutely confident | :10:04. | :10:11. | |
that when I handed over the money, in an alleyway outside a pub in | :10:12. | :10:14. | |
Folkestone or Dover, that that money was going in cash to the NUM. | :10:15. | :10:35. | |
The miners visit to Libya, now there is a row back home. In October 1984, | :10:36. | :10:41. | |
there was public outrage when it was revealed that Roger Windsor, the | :10:42. | :10:44. | |
NUM's chief executive, had gone to Libya to meet Colonel Gaddaffi, less | :10:45. | :10:47. | |
than a year after a policewoman had been shot dead outside the Libyan | :10:48. | :10:50. | |
Embassy in London. I went in and embraced and kissed Colonel Gadaffi | :10:51. | :10:53. | |
and gave him the story that Mr Scargill and I had agreed beforehand | :10:54. | :10:57. | |
about the plight of the union, the plight of the members and what the | :10:58. | :11:00. | |
Thatcher government was doing to the NUM and provided him with details of | :11:01. | :11:02. | |
a bank account, a bank in 1990, there was a front page news | :11:03. | :11:12. | |
story. It claimed Arthur Scargill paid off his mortgage with money | :11:13. | :11:17. | |
from Libya. The main source was Roger Windsor, who was paid ?85,000 | :11:18. | :11:24. | |
by the Daily Mirror. It was claimed that, using Libyan money, Mr | :11:25. | :11:27. | |
Scargill paid off a ?25,000 mortgage on his house. Roger Windsor had | :11:28. | :11:34. | |
repaid a ?29,500 home loan and Peter Heathfield, the NUM's general | :11:35. | :11:37. | |
secretary, had paid off a ?17,000 home loan. | :11:38. | :11:39. | |
It was a shocking story, and very personally damaging to Arthur | :11:40. | :11:41. | |
Scargill, although he decided not to sue for libel. Instead, the union | :11:42. | :11:49. | |
appointed a barrister, Gavin Lightman, to make a report on the | :11:50. | :11:55. | |
NUM's finances. Most people regarded Mr Lightman as sympathetic towards | :11:56. | :11:58. | |
the miners. He'd given the NUM legal advice in the past. | :11:59. | :12:03. | |
Were you pleased when an enquiry was set up? Years. But you wouldn't | :12:04. | :12:09. | |
cooperate with it? I was advised not to participate in it. Like | :12:10. | :12:13. | |
co`operated... I didn't physically attend any meetings, because I was | :12:14. | :12:19. | |
advised not to. Four months later, Mr Lightman | :12:20. | :12:21. | |
produced his report, saying Mr Windsor's ?29,500 loan had been paid | :12:22. | :12:24. | |
from donations and a ?13,000 bill for Mr Heathfield's home | :12:25. | :12:26. | |
improvements had been paid from donations. But the central | :12:27. | :12:34. | |
allegation against Mr Scargill ` that he'd paid off his mortgage with | :12:35. | :12:38. | |
money from Libya ` was completely untrue. The editor of the Daily | :12:39. | :12:41. | |
Mirror later said the story was wrong, and apologised to Mr | :12:42. | :12:47. | |
Scargill. Are you going to be president of the next national | :12:48. | :12:51. | |
executive meeting, when this is discussed? Probably in the year | :12:52. | :12:56. | |
2001. So Arthur Scargill hadn't paid off his mortgage. But Mr Lightman | :12:57. | :13:00. | |
found that during the strike, in late 1984, money from cash donations | :13:01. | :13:04. | |
had been used to pay ?6,800 of Mr Scargill's household bills. Mr | :13:05. | :13:13. | |
Scargill told Mister Lightman he paid the money back in cash a few | :13:14. | :13:18. | |
days later. In the past 30 years, his memory appears to have changed. | :13:19. | :13:24. | |
He has now told us the ?6,800 bill was for council and water rates and | :13:25. | :13:29. | |
electricity. But in October 1984, he said in a letter to the NUM's | :13:30. | :13:33. | |
finance officer that more than ?6,000 of this bill was for | :13:34. | :13:37. | |
improvements to his home. Quite frankly, when you look at some of | :13:38. | :13:42. | |
the issues about home loans and repairing homes and things like | :13:43. | :13:47. | |
that, that the meat is just a no`no. `` that the me. This is the Lightman | :13:48. | :13:51. | |
Report. The NUM took court action to prevent its public distribution. So | :13:52. | :13:56. | |
its full contents have never been widely known. But it was far from a | :13:57. | :13:59. | |
total victory for Mr Scargill. Even today, it raises many questions. | :14:00. | :14:06. | |
Mr Scargill has always disputed nearly all Lightman's findings, but | :14:07. | :14:09. | |
it was only due to the Lightman Report that the NUM's executive | :14:10. | :14:11. | |
committee discovered 17 secret accounts had been set up across | :14:12. | :14:19. | |
Europe to take donations. There was money sloshing around in bank | :14:20. | :14:22. | |
accounts with individuals' names on them, most of them who were close to | :14:23. | :14:32. | |
Arthur, and it was just unhealthy. How have those questions not been | :14:33. | :14:35. | |
answered, then, for 20 years or more? I think basically the | :14:36. | :14:41. | |
questions haven't been answered for 20 years or more because there's | :14:42. | :14:44. | |
been a feeling within the union that any attack on the union would | :14:45. | :14:47. | |
reflect badly on what happened in the strike. Because it's in relation | :14:48. | :14:53. | |
to the strike, it's something people didn't want to re`open. It was a | :14:54. | :14:57. | |
case of the strike was right, which it was, and everything that were | :14:58. | :15:00. | |
done in the name of the strike must have been done for the right | :15:01. | :15:07. | |
reasons. The NUM's two senior officials, its president Arthur | :15:08. | :15:12. | |
Scargill and Peter Heathfield, face charges after the report into the | :15:13. | :15:18. | |
union's funds... It had been a tough time for Arthur | :15:19. | :15:21. | |
Scargill but he had survived. He told us the misapprehension of funds | :15:22. | :15:28. | |
had been denied by the Inland Revenue and the watchdog | :15:29. | :15:34. | |
investigation failed at the Lightman report was ruled inadmissible as | :15:35. | :15:38. | |
evidence. I thought you heard as I did that the prosecution offered no | :15:39. | :15:46. | |
evidence. That is a vindication of our position. They offered no | :15:47. | :15:49. | |
evidence against the three defendants, the Case against all of | :15:50. | :15:52. | |
us was dismissed, with costs. He also told us that a special NUM | :15:53. | :16:00. | |
conference in 1990 expressed total confidence in Mr Scargill and Mr | :16:01. | :16:03. | |
Heathfield and ratified all of their financial dealings. It was in Paris | :16:04. | :16:11. | |
that Arthur Scargill, after defeat in the miners' strike, turned more | :16:12. | :16:19. | |
of his attention after 1985. The International miners Organisation, | :16:20. | :16:31. | |
later renamed the ie M O, was created here, and claimed to | :16:32. | :16:38. | |
represent 6 million miners. The IEMO came up in the early '80s, maybe | :16:39. | :16:44. | |
before. It was an idea of both the NUM and the French miners to set up | :16:45. | :16:47. | |
a new organisation which would bring together East, West, Africa, Latin | :16:48. | :17:01. | |
America, Asia. The IEMO General secretary is a French trade | :17:02. | :17:11. | |
unionist, Alain Simon. Someone said to me in a visit to South Africa, he | :17:12. | :17:20. | |
said to me, Arthur Scargill is a hero of the working class. He is one | :17:21. | :17:26. | |
of Mr Scargill's oldest colleagues and closest friends. They both | :17:27. | :17:31. | |
played a leading role in founding this new, French `based | :17:32. | :17:34. | |
international organisation. Mr Scargill has been president since | :17:35. | :17:37. | |
1985, but, for more than 20 years, his close links with the IEMO have | :17:38. | :17:49. | |
caused controversy. The NUM was challenged again today over money | :17:50. | :17:51. | |
donated by Soviet miners during the miners strike. | :17:52. | :17:54. | |
After the Lightman Report, the IEMO was big news. Large sums of money, | :17:55. | :17:57. | |
donated during the strike, appeared to have come under its control. | :17:58. | :18:01. | |
As far as Alain Simon was concerned, the Soviet money was given to the | :18:02. | :18:05. | |
IEMO and not to the NUM. In the spotlight was a well`documented | :18:06. | :18:08. | |
donation of ?1 million from Soviet miners. This was shown to have been | :18:09. | :18:11. | |
given not for the NUM, but for miners around the world. | :18:12. | :18:17. | |
Mr Simon had refused to co`operate with Lightman. Indeed, Mr Lightman | :18:18. | :18:23. | |
described the secrecy surrounding the finances of the IMO as | :18:24. | :18:25. | |
"practically impenetrable." These were troubled times for Mr Scargill | :18:26. | :18:29. | |
and his union. The National union of Mineworkers and the IMO have agreed | :18:30. | :18:36. | |
a formula which they hope will end the dispute over ?1 million. These | :18:37. | :18:42. | |
are troubled times for Arthur Scargill and his union. The NUM, of | :18:43. | :18:48. | |
which he was president, was in dispute with the IEMO, of which he | :18:49. | :18:52. | |
was president as well. Finally, a deal was struck and the IEMO paid | :18:53. | :18:55. | |
the NUM ?742,000. Mr Scargill says no money intended as donations for | :18:56. | :19:00. | |
the NUM members was paid into stayed in the IMO accounts after the | :19:01. | :19:04. | |
strike. He describes the ?742,000 as a donation from the IMO to the NUM, | :19:05. | :19:11. | |
in return for which, the NUM agreed to make no new claims against the | :19:12. | :19:19. | |
IMO. There's so little publicly available information. If it was a | :19:20. | :19:23. | |
trade union, the IMO would have to comply with French laws requiring | :19:24. | :19:25. | |
unions to publish accounts ` something it hasn't done since 1993. | :19:26. | :19:31. | |
TRANSLATION: Probably, they didn't do, because they are not a trade | :19:32. | :19:35. | |
union. The IEMO is an international organisation which brings together | :19:36. | :19:37. | |
trade unions. They certainly ought to publish accounts, but they're not | :19:38. | :19:47. | |
obliged to. I suspect most of it is probably still sitting somewhere, | :19:48. | :19:51. | |
being given off in bits and bobs. To be honest, I don't think offered to | :19:52. | :19:54. | |
any of it personally. That is not really the way he does business. | :19:55. | :19:57. | |
In response to our questions about publishing the IEMO accounts, Mr | :19:58. | :20:00. | |
Scargill said the IEMO had always presented its accounts in accordance | :20:01. | :20:02. | |
with the instruction of its Congress. `` Arthur took any of | :20:03. | :20:04. | |
We asked him what that means. So far, he hasn't got back to us. | :20:05. | :20:11. | |
A freelance journalist specialising in industrial stories, Jeff Apter | :20:12. | :20:14. | |
spent three years in the 1980s working for the IEMO. I travelled | :20:15. | :20:19. | |
quite extensively, to various meetings. Health and safety... There | :20:20. | :20:26. | |
was one in Australia, one in the Philippines ` but that was on the | :20:27. | :20:30. | |
way to go to Australia. There was another one in Namibia, and one or | :20:31. | :20:36. | |
two in Europe. It was not staying in posh hotels, and we were hosted by | :20:37. | :20:41. | |
the unions there and I did reports. You cover trade union matters. When | :20:42. | :20:45. | |
did you last write a story about the IEMO? Er... I don't think I've ever | :20:46. | :20:52. | |
written a story about the IMO since the strike, since the end of the | :20:53. | :20:58. | |
strike. When did you last read a story about the IMO? I can't | :20:59. | :21:01. | |
remember. Is there any evidence in the last 20 years that this | :21:02. | :21:04. | |
organisation has done anything productive? Well, you should ask | :21:05. | :21:07. | |
somebody who is working for it or who is affiliated to it. | :21:08. | :21:15. | |
For Chris Kitchen, this is more than history. Mr Scargill's supporters | :21:16. | :21:18. | |
are certain all money was accounted for. But, 30 years on, Mr Kitchen's | :21:19. | :21:23. | |
still concerned about the financial relationship between the NUM and the | :21:24. | :21:35. | |
IEMO. So there is still a feeling that the IMO may have some money as | :21:36. | :21:38. | |
far back as the strike that was destined the British miners? There | :21:39. | :21:43. | |
is a feeling but looking back now, almost 30 years, it is difficult to | :21:44. | :21:49. | |
try and trace funds you never had any trace of in the first place. | :21:50. | :21:52. | |
Setting aside any money donated during the miners' strike, Mr | :21:53. | :21:55. | |
Kitchen has established that, in the 30 years since then, the NUM paid | :21:56. | :21:58. | |
the IEMO an additional ?712,000. More than ?464,000 of that is in | :21:59. | :22:01. | |
subscriptions paid by the NUM between 1985 and 2010. | :22:02. | :22:09. | |
Mr Scargill told us that the IEMO had in fact been entitled to more. | :22:10. | :22:12. | |
The NUM should have paid ?520,000 in subscriptions, but had stopped | :22:13. | :22:15. | |
paying in 2010, in breach of an NUM Conference decision. The trouble | :22:16. | :22:27. | |
happened when I was asked to justify paying that amount of money, and I | :22:28. | :22:38. | |
asked for the accounts from the IEMO and was refused them. Where do you | :22:39. | :22:43. | |
think that ?20,000 a year has been going, what it has been spent on? I | :22:44. | :22:47. | |
have no idea, that is why I wanted to see the accounts. It is | :22:48. | :22:50. | |
difficult, you cannot justify expenditure if you don't know what | :22:51. | :22:53. | |
it has been put to. One payment that's raised questions | :22:54. | :22:56. | |
is ?145,000 paid to the IEMO in 2002, shortly before Mr Scargill's | :22:57. | :23:02. | |
retirement. This was paid by the NUM without the union's National | :23:03. | :23:07. | |
Executive Committee being consulted. In the case about his London flat, | :23:08. | :23:10. | |
Mr Scargill said this money was the equivalent of what he could have | :23:11. | :23:18. | |
expected as a severance payment. What come out in the court case was | :23:19. | :23:22. | |
that Arthur's belief that he were entitled to severance redundancy | :23:23. | :23:24. | |
payments from the union upon retirement. They were discretionary | :23:25. | :23:27. | |
and not agreed, he hadn't asked for them. | :23:28. | :23:30. | |
Mr Scargill told us this wasn't a redundancy or severance payment to | :23:31. | :23:34. | |
him. It was money which would have been payable to him if he'd accepted | :23:35. | :23:39. | |
a lump sum, which he hadn't. He said the grant was from an NUM trust fund | :23:40. | :23:43. | |
and did not need to be referred to the union's National Executive | :23:44. | :23:48. | |
Committee. The explanation that was given that was this was money that | :23:49. | :23:52. | |
Arthur was entitled to receive the didn't want to receive. And | :23:53. | :23:54. | |
therefore the donation of the same amount of money were made to the | :23:55. | :23:58. | |
IEMO. Are you content with that? Do you think there was something more? | :23:59. | :24:02. | |
Without seeing the accounts of the IEMO, you can draw different | :24:03. | :24:05. | |
assumptions as to what happened to that money. | :24:06. | :24:08. | |
Meanwhile, things haven't gone smoothly for Roger Windsor. He was | :24:09. | :24:12. | |
accused of being an MI5 spy inside the NUM ` a claim he denied. And, | :24:13. | :24:17. | |
after he moved to France, he was sued for the recovery of a ?29,500 | :24:18. | :24:20. | |
NUM loan which had been supposedly paid off with Libyan money during | :24:21. | :24:25. | |
the miners' strike. A French court decided Mr Windsor had forged | :24:26. | :24:29. | |
documents relating to his home loan. The successful legal action against | :24:30. | :24:33. | |
him came not by the NUM, but the IEMO. Mr Scargill continued to | :24:34. | :24:37. | |
pursue that action until eventually he obtained a court order in France | :24:38. | :24:41. | |
for the compulsory sale of our family home and half of the proceeds | :24:42. | :24:51. | |
of that sale went to the IEMO. The IEMO have now got their money | :24:52. | :24:56. | |
whether I like it or not. Chris Kitchen got a shock when he | :24:57. | :24:59. | |
discovered the extent to which the NUM had been funding the IEMO's | :25:00. | :25:02. | |
legal action against Roger Windsor in France. When I looked into it, | :25:03. | :25:08. | |
they had actually been wrongly categorised under Gavin Lightman | :25:09. | :25:12. | |
enquiry costs, which wasn't true. So I had them reinstated in the | :25:13. | :25:14. | |
accounts under Roger Windsor, the costs which obviously start the | :25:15. | :25:17. | |
questions about, "What is the Roger Windsor case? Why are we funding it? | :25:18. | :25:22. | |
What's it all about?" The case highlights the continuing close | :25:23. | :25:24. | |
links between Mr Scargill and the IEMO. | :25:25. | :25:27. | |
The case highlights the continuing close links between Mr Scargill and | :25:28. | :25:31. | |
the IEMO. Correspondence recently from the IEMO has emanated from the | :25:32. | :25:34. | |
Barbican flat. Do you think that's inappropriate? I personally think | :25:35. | :25:36. | |
that's inappropriate. We have spent two months trying to | :25:37. | :25:48. | |
get a response from Alain Simon or the IEMO, we have had none. So I | :25:49. | :25:53. | |
have come to see if we can get some answers here. | :25:54. | :25:54. | |
Their office is inside the headquarters of the CGT, the French | :25:55. | :26:00. | |
equivalent of the TUC. That was interesting. I was taken up | :26:01. | :26:04. | |
to the sixth floor, to the offices of the IEMO, and I met Alain | :26:05. | :26:09. | |
Simon's secretary, who attends it is actually his wife. She said that | :26:10. | :26:11. | |
apart from the pair of them, there is only one other person who works | :26:12. | :26:16. | |
for the organisation, writing its journal. I ask that there was any | :26:17. | :26:20. | |
other star and she said, no, we have got no money. She wouldn't ask `` | :26:21. | :26:27. | |
answer any questions answered we needed to put further questions to | :26:28. | :26:28. | |
Arthur Scargill. From Paris, the IEMO has now sent | :26:29. | :26:32. | |
the NUM the ?29,500 it received for Mr Windsor's loan. Mr Scargill says | :26:33. | :26:37. | |
the NUM agreed in 1990 to pay costs for the IEMO's legal action against | :26:38. | :26:40. | |
Roger Windsor. He said Mr Windsor had still not paid the IEMO his | :26:41. | :26:44. | |
total debt, and the NUM would be reimbursed when he had. | :26:45. | :26:47. | |
The NUM says it's about to launch legal action against Arthur Scargill | :26:48. | :26:50. | |
and Alain Simon over the legal bill, which the NUM says is more than | :26:51. | :26:57. | |
?100,000. But Mr Scargill says that doesn't take into account money owed | :26:58. | :27:04. | |
by the NUM to the IEMO. Mr Scargill's supporters say he's a | :27:05. | :27:08. | |
man of complete integrity. To some, he's still a hero. But to his | :27:09. | :27:13. | |
critics, he's left a bitter and troubled legacy. If a Mineworkers | :27:14. | :27:22. | |
sells his job, he is selling the job that belongs to his son and his | :27:23. | :27:25. | |
daughter, and he has got no right to sell that. Here we are in Edlington. | :27:26. | :27:32. | |
This was actually the first colliery to be closed after the strike and we | :27:33. | :27:35. | |
were huge supporters of Arthur at that time. And when you think | :27:36. | :27:39. | |
there's lumps of cash lying about in bank accounts in a foreign city, | :27:40. | :27:45. | |
it's not right. You should vote for me, because Margaret Thatcher and | :27:46. | :27:48. | |
the Tories hate me and want to see me defeated. I've always said about | :27:49. | :27:51. | |
the miners' strike and the aftermath of it all, looking at it now, | :27:52. | :27:54. | |
Margaret Thatcher and Arthur Scargill deserved one another. These | :27:55. | :27:58. | |
communities deserved neither of them. If you want a leader that is | :27:59. | :28:07. | |
prepared to stand and fight in full view and on principle, then I am the | :28:08. | :28:10. | |
person that will continue to represent the best interests of | :28:11. | :28:13. | |
miners. How much has all this disappointed you? Has it shattered | :28:14. | :28:18. | |
your illusions of the man he was, the man you thought he was? | :28:19. | :28:21. | |
Unfortunately it has, the perception I had of Arthur the great trade | :28:22. | :28:24. | |
unionist, socialist, just is nothing like the reality as to the man that | :28:25. | :28:28. | |
I know now and that I've been at loggerheads with for most of my term | :28:29. | :28:30. | |
of office. On Inside Out next week, we | :28:31. | :28:47. | |
investigate claims by an industry expert that unregulated fracking | :28:48. | :28:54. | |
could soon be a rare `` reality all the Yorkshire. And we follow the | :28:55. | :28:57. | |
investigators on the Trail of the energy thieves. | :28:58. | :29:05. | |
Hello, I'm Ellie Crisell with your 90-second update. | :29:06. | :29:10. | |
The PM has backed fracking. He's promised councils incentives if they | :29:11. | :29:13. | |
let companies drill for shale gas. Critics have called the offer a | :29:14. | :29:16. | |
bribe, but the Government claims the process will give us cheaper energy. | :29:17. | :29:19. | |
More at 10pm. The biggest public inquiry into | :29:20. | :29:22. | |
child abuse in the UK has begun in Northern Ireland. It's looking at | :29:23. | :29:26. | |
care in church and state-run homes over 70 years. More than 400 people | :29:27. | :29:30. | |
have asked to give evidence. Mark Bridger was convicted of | :29:31. | :29:34. | |
murdering April Jones last May. Today, he dropped his plan to appeal | :29:35. | :29:38. | |
a whole-life sentence. The five-year-old's body has never been | :29:39. | :29:41. | |
found. Is Britain on the verge of an | :29:42. | :29:45. | |
obesity crisis? The National Obesity Forum says | :29:46. | :29:46. |