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One of the people seem to be
targeted in that particular attack! | 0:00:01 | 0:00:06 | |
Now it's time for Meet The Author. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:07 | |
Aida Edemariam has written
an unusual biography - | 0:00:07 | 0:00:09 | |
a rich and engrossing story
of a woman of whom none | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
of her readers will ever have heard. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:14 | |
The Wife's Tale is the story
of her own grandmother, | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
born 100 years ago, and a picture
of her country, Ethiopia. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:21 | |
It reads beautifully,
as if it's told in her voice, | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
a book that will take you gently
and unforgettably | 0:00:24 | 0:00:26 | |
into another world. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:28 | |
Welcome. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:38 | |
What was the quality of this story,
the potential in this story, | 0:00:48 | 0:00:52 | |
that convinced you that people
who had never known your grandmother | 0:00:52 | 0:00:56 | |
and have never been to Ethiopia
would want to read it? | 0:00:56 | 0:01:00 | |
It was listening to her,
it was listening to her language, | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
her words, her stories. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
I kind of knew that they would
translate quite well into English | 0:01:06 | 0:01:10 | |
and that they would work. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:15 | |
You spoke to her and recorded
her over a long period. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:19 | |
I mean, not continuously,
but you heard her talking. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
And what's striking
about the book is that, | 0:01:22 | 0:01:23 | |
although it's narrated by you,
it's told by you, the rhythms | 0:01:23 | 0:01:27 | |
and cadences of her language,
the poetry of her language, | 0:01:27 | 0:01:32 | |
the simple poetry of normal day
speech, really comes through, | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
and that's what's alluring about it. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
And that's really
what convinced you? | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
Yes, it really did. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
There are a couple of things. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:44 | |
One of them is it's
an oral tradition. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
She didn't read until
she was in her 60s. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:52 | |
In an oral tradition, stories
are remembered and told again. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
In Ethiopia, the effect
and the skill with which you tell | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
a story is really important. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:00 | |
The other thing that's obvious
to anyone who approaches | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
the book is, of course,
that it's set in a country which has | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
gone through huge convulsions
in the century of the life that | 0:02:06 | 0:02:14 | |
you mentioned -
she died five years ago. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:16 | |
Let's just go through
that because the world | 0:02:16 | 0:02:19 | |
that she grew up in -
there was going to be a fascist | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
invasion, there were going to be
various political upheavals, | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
the Haile Selassie years
that we all remember, and, | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
I suppose, to the current generation
at home, the famines | 0:02:28 | 0:02:32 | |
in the Horn of Africa,
which have been such a crisis. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:37 | |
So it was always going
to be a troubled life. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:41 | |
Yes, but there's always pockets
of joy and, for her, dancing. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:46 | |
And you tell stories and you find
little pockets where you can | 0:02:46 | 0:02:48 | |
chat and enjoy things. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:50 | |
In a way, it's a story
of perseverance and survival. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
It is, and those big things happen
to ordinary people, and history's | 0:02:53 | 0:02:58 | |
lived by ordinary people. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
And I guess that's one of the things
I was trying to get across. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
You talk about the fact
that your grandmother didn't learn | 0:03:03 | 0:03:05 | |
to read until she was in her 60s. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
Can you really imagine
what life was like for her | 0:03:07 | 0:03:11 | |
when she was a teenager,
when she was in her 20s? | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
Do you find it easy to picture? | 0:03:14 | 0:03:16 | |
It took a while. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:24 | |
I had maybe 60 hours of tape. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:26 | |
I listened, and then I went away
and read lots in the British Library | 0:03:26 | 0:03:31 | |
and read accounts of daily life,
and then I went back | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
and listened again. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
When you've got that lairing,
you can start imagine just the sort | 0:03:37 | 0:03:43 | |
the sort of warp and weft of it. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:45 | |
Because it's quite clear, in the way
she must have talked to you, | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
that the descriptive richness
of it was considerable - | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
I mean, the plants,
the animals, the sky and so on. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:55 | |
She was like that. | 0:03:56 | 0:03:57 | |
The way she described
cooking, for example, | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
it was incredibly detailed. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
So there's a sort of party that
happened every year, it was massive, | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
and it took up a lot of her life. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
So the drama would be
in describing how you make meat. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
That was where it was located
and therefore I had to try | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
and recreate that somehow. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
And, also, the shocks to daily life
that came about from political | 0:04:19 | 0:04:24 | |
events that were sometimes
really very distant. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:28 | |
They are distant, but they always
have ripples, and sometimes | 0:04:28 | 0:04:33 | |
quite unexpected ripples. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:37 | |
And, I guess, that was kind
of what I was trying to catch, | 0:04:37 | 0:04:41 | |
it was one of the things that,
you know, she might be distant but, | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
another moment, she'd be very close,
like very close to the Emperor - | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
trying to petition him, for example. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:48 | |
So you are talking about a world
that we can only know | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
in our imaginations. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:52 | |
And yet, what you've been able
to do, from these conversations, | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
I think, is to create something
which is very real. | 0:04:55 | 0:05:00 | |
I mean, you can smell the food. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:02 | |
I grew up there. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:07 | |
Your father's Ethiopian,
your mother is Canadian. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
With the food, the food continued. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
In rural Ethiopia, the life
is not that different, | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
necessarily, that it was,
you know, 100 years ago, | 0:05:16 | 0:05:20 | |
1,000 years ago, even. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:25 | |
It was almost an excuse to go back
to my childhood and get the feel | 0:05:25 | 0:05:30 | |
and smell and touch of things. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
People will come to conclusions
about your grandmother | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
as they read the book,
but what's your assessment of how | 0:05:35 | 0:05:39 | |
she felt about her youth
and about the circumstances | 0:05:39 | 0:05:43 | |
of her growing up? | 0:05:43 | 0:05:44 | |
Because it seems that she
was a person of great | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
calm and few regrets. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
Is that fair? | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
I think, when stuff happens
to you so early, and when it | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
happens across the culture,
there is an acceptance of it | 0:05:55 | 0:06:00 | |
and an unquestioning of it. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:02 | |
So any questions came much later. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
I think she regretted not having
been able to read and some | 0:06:05 | 0:06:09 | |
of the opportunities that she might
have had, but she would also say, | 0:06:09 | 0:06:13 | |
well, that was the way it was. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
It's very, very touching when,
at the end, you come | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
to her death and, more
to the point, her burial. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
It was obviously a very
moving experience for you. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
It was. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:25 | |
I'd never been to a funeral
of somebody I knew before, | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
apart from anything else. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:29 | |
It's very visceral. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:33 | |
And I think Irish culture does
something similar where grieving | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
is very much allowed and expected,
but there are systems. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:42 | |
She was buried by the church
into which she was married. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:47 | |
And there's a procession,
and the priests are | 0:06:47 | 0:06:51 | |
in their full regalia. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:56 | |
And the whole town,
basically, sees her pass. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:58 | |
One of the things, finally, that
I think is striking about the book - | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
you've kept yourself out
of it almost entirely. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
Why? | 0:07:03 | 0:07:04 | |
It wasn't about me. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:05 | |
It's about somebody
who is very different to me. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
And, I think, you can
show your working, as it were, | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
but then you just get in the way. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
And if I had put myself
into it more, I would have | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
been explaining it. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:16 | |
And I just wanted it to exist
absolutely on its own terms | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
and to come off the page
on its own terms. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
That's an interesting answer. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:23 | |
And, because of your conversations,
you felt you could render it | 0:07:23 | 0:07:25 | |
faithfully as it were,
without your intervention. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
I hope so, yes. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
Aida Edemariam, author
of The Wife's Tale, | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
thank you very much. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:34 | |
Thank you. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:44 |