21/02/2012 Newsnight Scotland


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Tonight on Newsnight Scotland, in a dramatic development in the Rangers

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saga, it emerges Craig Whyte used money from advance season-ticket

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sales in his takeover of the club. He claims he has done nothing

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illegal, and says he will not resign as chairman. Where does it

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leave Rangers and previous claims from Mr Whyte about how he bought

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the club? Tonight, there is more clarity on

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what has been going on for Rangers. Since the club went into

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administration, a chorus of voices have been demanding to know what

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happened to millions of pounds raised by selling the rights to

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future season tickets to a country -- a company called Ticketus. Both

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Craig Whyte and the administrators said it was used as part of the

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takeover. There is some flash photography in this piece.

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In a statement issued this afternoon, Mr Whyte says the deal

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with Ticketus was initially made to provide working funds to keep

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Rangers going. But it then says the Ticketus deal was used to complete

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the takeover. He says he, not the club, is on the line for the money.

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I gave ticket as personal and Minutes later, they stayed banned

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from the administrators suggested the Ticketus money was used to pay

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The administrators added that they were still trying to find that what

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happened to the best of the money. -- find out. Mr Whyte also gave his

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take on the non-payment of taxes, which appears to have prompted the

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tax authorities to appoint an He goes on to add that in the so-

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called big tax case, with potential liabilities in excess of �50

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million, he also offered HMRC �2.5 million a year payment. Again, he

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says this has been rejected. Craig Whyte also suggests he would

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consider handing most of its shares And he says whatever happens, his

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So, some clarity, but, as with so much of this, today's developments

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will raise as many questions as answers will stop our correspondent

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Mark Daly has reported extensively on this.

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He is with us to give his take. The plot thickens. Hot on the heels

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of the state than from Craig Whyte, which seemed to depose moors

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questions than it answered, Rangers administrators delivered the

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bombshell. The Ticketus money was used to pay the debt to Lloyds

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Banking Group. Mr Whyte says he secured this deal personally, and

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fans would not lose out. But Ticketus say they own large amounts

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of future ticket sales, and if the club avoids of the list -- avoid

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liquidation, the money will come to them, making Rangers less

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attractive to a buyer. Craig Whyte says he had -- says he wishes he

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had been more transparent. But three weeks ago, given that the

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opportunity to respond to claims he had used the Ticketus of money to

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But Mr Whyte only paid a nominal fee of �1 for the club. He would

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hire -- he would hardly need the Ticketus money for that. It but his

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purchase was conditional on acquiring that �80 million of debt,

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which was immediate be paid off. So today's disclosure means it was

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effectively the fans that paid off the debt, which allowed the deal to

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go through. It was this issue that prompted former chairman Alastair

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Johnson to ask the Insolvency Service to investigate whether

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company law was broken. Mr Wei's angry denial appears to be

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in grave doubt. -- Mr Whyte's. We now await the next announcement

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from the administrators, for whom the Craig Whyte fought hard to have

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appointed. By their own admission, their staff have been involved with

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Rangers before the takeover, so why did they not already know of this

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arrangement before today? Joining me his Jim Traynor from the

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Daily Record, and in our Edinburgh studio, Stephen Morrow.

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I am sure many people will think that the phrase you could not make

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this stuff up was invented for this?

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I do not think anybody expected Craig Whyte to issue a statement. I

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think it was a bit naive and a bit desperate. The it did not say a lot,

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apart from the fact that he is admitting he used the Ticketus

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money, something he had been denying all along, to fund the club.

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I think he was badly advised to issued a statement, I think he

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should have been looking at what the administrators are doing, what

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they are recovering, because their statement is saying that legally,

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he used the Ticketus money to fund the club. They may be a bridge of

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the law here, and I think that is what financial and corporate

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experts will be looking at. It really is very strange. To say

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things like I will give to the fans the shares, my shareholding, they

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own them anyway, because apparently they have paid for them! That is

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what some others have argued all along. Nothing Craig Whyte says

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today changes that. Stephen, are you satisfied that if

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we put together Craig Whyte's statement with the statement from

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the administrators, it is clear now that the Ticketus money was used as

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part of the takeover? There is no doubt about that. The

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administrators are pretty expensive on that. It does not need to say

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very much on that. -- pretty explicit.

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Dennis not necessarily anything illegal in that. Apart from the

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fact it is not what they were saying before.

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Yes, it is completely inconsistent, but we know that other football

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clubs do deals of this nature, sell their season ticket in advance when

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they are trading normally, so there is nothing wrong with doing that,

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but I think the issue is one of transparency at the extent to what

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state this information was withheld. I think there is a problem.

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Normally these deals would be for �5 million to tide you over till

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the end of the season. But to to do it over three or four years because

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you cannot repay the first one, and apart from that, for the next three

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seasons after this one, Ticketus will have a the first 60% of all

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Rangers' season tickets. Normally it is only 25%.

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For a lot of fans will be watching this. Let's try get some answers.

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How do we explain the fact that Craig Whyte says that he has got

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guarantees for �27.5 million. What is the difference between that and

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the income plus VAT? Is that a commissioner that Ticketus would

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have earned? One would assume so, because they

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are lending money up front, and there is a risk associated with

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that. The other thing is that when he

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says, and I quote, that he gave Ticketus a personal and corporate

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guarantees, and then he later says he is on the line for 27. Million -

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- �27.5 million it guarantees that cash, what does that mean?

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It is not at all clear. You think some of that is still secured

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Against part of the company, but he also says that is not the case, and

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he talks about his personal guarantee and cash. It is very

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unclear. For what he talks in a statement about being more

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transparent, this statement itself is not very transparent. It raises

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more questions than answers. There is one area, at least where I

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understand it, the Craig Whyte statement is not consistent with

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the administrators. He seems to imply that any of the Ticketus not

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used to pay off debt was used for working capital, whereas the

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administrators say the money that was not given to Lloyds Bank to pay

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off the debt, they seem to imply they do not know what happened to

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I think that is right. They have not qualified that, possibly

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because they have not had time to go through all the transactions, or

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maybe because that money is not available to them, they do not have

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transparency on that. We know that working capital means that it

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allows a completed continued to trade on a day-to-day basis, but it

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can mean different things... Jim, there has been a certain

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congruence between this and what Craig Whyte has been saying so

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far... Many of the administrators that Craig Whyte wanted to break in

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-- bring into a minister this process, there seems to be this

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difference of opinion, and it will not be a surprise to discover that

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the administrators are obliged to pass on some of the findings to the

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police authorities. Because their needs now to be an investigation.

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Stephen, there needs to be -- the other issue was the current tax

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bill, not the big tribunal case, but tax owed over the previous

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period. Craig Whyte seems outraged by the fact that HMIC would not do

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a deal, but would you normally been a situation where you are business,

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and you are is expected to hand over PAYE that you have collected,

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would you normally think we can do a deal with this rather than for

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the tax authorities to say, no, you pay this as a matter of course?

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Affect normal process would be that you pay those obligations...

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Otherwise we would all be trying this! Yes, it is on the when one

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gets into financial difficulties, one is that the position of

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thinking about doing deals. But I think it is not quite clear,

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because some part of the comments made last week when there was talk

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about going into administration, and then when they were put into

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administration, there is not consistency around what Mr Whyte is

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saying about any of this. Also you have to remember that age MIC

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offered by deal, and Craig Whyte except the �4 million tax bill

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would have been... Jim, what do you make of this idea

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that he would hand his shares to some corporate,... It probably

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strikes the right note with the supporters, but I think it will not

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happen. They own the shares anyway because they pay for them. Stephen?

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I am not sure what the technical position is, whether he is able to

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do that? The focus is of course on the creditor, but if you think

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about the real asset, is the right to play football, and that remains

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with the owners of the shares. But it strikes me that his -- he is

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almost like, surprised by the reaction to what has gone on. And

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it is some sort of sop to that supporters, who will be looking at

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this and thinking it is a number of years' season tickets.

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Thank you very much indeed. There are major concerns that the

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standard of Scottish education is falling behind other education

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systems in the world. No one knows why, but most experts agree reform

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is needed. The quality of teacher training is one issue policy makers

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are trying to tackle, and Glasgow University have decided to try

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something new. They have paired up with a high school in Ayrshire to

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test a new way of training the next generation of teachers. Critics

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worry it will bring even more stress into an already stressed

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education system. It is not just pupils were a

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learned here at Irvine Royal Academy. This class is being run by

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a student teacher, and forms part of her teacher training. This is

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part of a new pilot, which on the face of it is not hugely different

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to how it has been done before. But look more closely, walk -- looking

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on are more student teachers. Gone are the lecture halls and short

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practical placements - these students are going back to school

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for their entire training here. many years we have been saying we

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should maximise the time students have in schools learning the craft

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of teaching. We welcome the impact of the -- the input of the

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academics in the building, but teachers have been saying for a

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long time, let us maximise the skin's' experience, and this model

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will do that. There will be 35 student teachers and two lecturers

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based here. The Education Minister Mike Russell visited them in their

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lecture theatre. They will be told the theory here and applied -- and

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they will apply it in their classrooms. The advantage is having

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regular contract with other departments. Now I have contact

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with other students who are teaching other things. I learn

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about their experiences with other students. I think definitely you

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can have a seminar then go and reflect on it and then put it into

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practice. If you are at university, it is often four weeks before you

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go into placement. If all of this sounds familiar, it is not that

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different to how things used to be. The old Irvine Royal Academy --

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Jordan held teaching college is just a stone's throw from the

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college were the students got their practical experiences. But the

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unions are still voicing concerns. The EIS worries what will happen to

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the pupils and its members. It is also concerned about the stress put

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on schools having to deal with so many student teachers. The way the

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model works is, each department will only have one or two students,

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and that will be the normal model under the old system. The

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difference is they have lots to do at the same time, and therefore

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from the point of view of the teacher and the Department and the

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school, their money is no difference.

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Irvine Royal Academy is the first to become an official part the

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scheme with a Glasgow University, but the Education Minister believes

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this is a model that can be adopted throughout Scotland. I have no

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doubt we will see this across Scotland at some stage in the near

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future. It is harder to get the critical mass, I think did you hear

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is that the critical mass is about 35 students. It will be harder in

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rural areas, but I think it can be done.

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The idea comes from America, and Dustin averse to hopes it will

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improve the quality of teacher training and make students better

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equipped for the classroom. Early pilots in Glasgow have been deemed

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a success. There are things we need to work on and develop, but by and

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large the students like it, the local authorities like it, the

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pupils like it, and everybody seems to think it is a better model than

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the one we had before. It will be some time before anyone

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can measure what effect this new model of teacher training has on

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education standards, but if this planet goes well, there is every

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chance are the Scottish universities could follow Glasgow's

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lead. A look at tomorrow's headlines.

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White has promised to step aside and handling just over two fans

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"ludicrous". I will be back tomorrow. Until then,

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Good evening. Turning wet macro across the UK in the morning. The

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wettest will be Northern Scotland and the Cumbrian fells, 50 to 100

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mm of rain. Fast-flowing rivers as well. There will still be some

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patchy night rain or drizzle, gusty winds, 50 miles an hour. The South

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East and East Anglia stay dry, but a cool day to come. Temperatures

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only nine or ten Celsius. After a reasonably dry Stark, the south-

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west and Wales will seek rain. Northern Ireland, rain on and off.

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Heaviest in the morning, patchy and light in the afternoon. 12-13

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Celsius still possible, and even across Scotland 12-14 is likely.

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The North East should get a little bit drier and brighter. Thursday,

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not as wet across parts of north- west England and Scotland and

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Northern Ireland, but generally cloud did on hills. England and

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