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The Archbishop appointed as The Archbishop appointed as | :00:44. | :00:45. | |
temporary replacement for Cardinal temporary replacement for Cardinal | :00:46. | :00:46. | |
temporary replacement for Cardinal Keith O'Brien has celebrated mass | :00:46. | :00:47. | |
Keith O'Brien has celebrated mass Keith O'Brien has celebrated mass | :00:47. | :00:48. | |
Keith O'Brien has celebrated mass for the first time at St Mary's | :00:48. | :00:49. | |
for the first time at St Mary's C'athedral in Edinburgh, since | :00:49. | :00:50. | |
C'athedral in Edinburgh, since C'athedral in Edinburgh, since | :00:50. | :00:51. | |
taking over as administrator of the taking over as administrator of the | :00:51. | :00:52. | |
taking over as administrator of the Archdiocese of Edinburgh and St | :00:52. | :00:53. | |
Archdiocese of Edinburgh and St Archdiocese of Edinburgh and St | :00:53. | :00:54. | |
Andrews. So does this mark a Andrews. So does this mark a | :00:54. | :00:55. | |
turning point for Scotland's turning point for Scotland's | :00:55. | :00:56. | |
turning point for Scotland's Catholic community? What is the | :00:56. | :00:57. | |
Catholic community? What is the Catholic community? What is the | :00:57. | :00:57. | |
future for a church that according future for a church that according | :00:57. | :00:59. | |
future for a church that according to one commentator is facing its | :00:59. | :00:59. | |
to one commentator is facing its biggest crisis since the | :00:59. | :01:06. | |
biggest crisis since the Reformation? Sally McNair reports. | :01:06. | :01:09. | |
Reformation? Sally McNair reports. Unprecedented times for today's | :01:09. | :01:10. | |
Unprecedented times for today's Unprecedented times for today's | :01:10. | :01:12. | |
Roman Catholics. Pope Benedict XVI Roman Catholics. Pope Benedict XVI | :01:12. | :01:14. | |
Roman Catholics. Pope Benedict XVI delivered his final worlds as Pope | :01:14. | :01:15. | |
delivered his final worlds as Pope delivered his final worlds as Pope | :01:15. | :01:16. | |
before taking leave of the Vatican before taking leave of the Vatican | :01:16. | :01:17. | |
before taking leave of the Vatican before taking leave of the Vatican | :01:17. | :01:23. | |
to spend his final days living as a pilgrim. | :01:23. | :01:24. | |
pilgrim. pilgrim. | :01:24. | :01:26. | |
Our holy Father, Pope Benedict XVI, Our holy Father, Pope Benedict XVI, | :01:26. | :01:30. | |
had appointed me... Unchartered had appointed me... Unchartered | :01:30. | :01:31. | |
waters for Scotland's Roman waters for Scotland's Roman | :01:31. | :01:32. | |
waters for Scotland's Roman Catholics too as the Archbishop | :01:32. | :01:33. | |
Catholics too as the Archbishop Catholics too as the Archbishop | :01:33. | :01:34. | |
told worshippers in Edinburgh he told worshippers in Edinburgh he | :01:35. | :01:36. | |
told worshippers in Edinburgh he understands their state of shock | :01:36. | :01:39. | |
understands their state of shock understands their state of shock | :01:39. | :01:39. | |
for the loss of their shepherd for the loss of their shepherd | :01:39. | :01:41. | |
following Cardinal Keith O'Brien's following Cardinal Keith O'Brien's | :01:41. | :01:41. | |
following Cardinal Keith O'Brien's resignation. The Archbishop was not | :01:41. | :01:44. | |
resignation. The Archbishop was not resignation. The Archbishop was not | :01:44. | :01:45. | |
available for interview, but a available for interview, but a | :01:45. | :01:46. | |
available for interview, but a spokesman for the Catholic Church | :01:46. | :01:47. | |
spokesman for the Catholic Church spokesman for the Catholic Church | :01:47. | :01:49. | |
in Scotland is adamant that while in Scotland is adamant that while | :01:49. | :01:50. | |
in Scotland is adamant that while in Scotland is adamant that while | :01:50. | :01:52. | |
it may be troubled, it is not a it may be troubled, it is not a | :01:52. | :01:53. | |
it may be troubled, it is not a church in crisis. There has been | :01:53. | :01:54. | |
church in crisis. There has been church in crisis. There has been | :01:54. | :01:57. | |
damage done, yes. There is no damage done, yes. There is no | :01:57. | :01:58. | |
damage done, yes. There is no question about that. I think | :01:58. | :02:00. | |
question about that. I think allegations against individuals, | :02:00. | :02:03. | |
particularly high-profile particularly high-profile | :02:03. | :02:03. | |
particularly high-profile individuals and when corruption is | :02:03. | :02:05. | |
individuals and when corruption is individuals and when corruption is | :02:05. | :02:06. | |
alleged elsewhere in the church, it alleged elsewhere in the church, it | :02:06. | :02:07. | |
alleged elsewhere in the church, it absolutely does damage the standing | :02:07. | :02:09. | |
absolutely does damage the standing absolutely does damage the standing | :02:09. | :02:10. | |
absolutely does damage the standing and the perception of the church in | :02:10. | :02:11. | |
and the perception of the church in and the perception of the church in | :02:11. | :02:12. | |
and the perception of the church in the widest sense in so far as the | :02:12. | :02:14. | |
the widest sense in so far as the the widest sense in so far as the | :02:14. | :02:14. | |
faith of individual Catholics is faith of individual Catholics is | :02:14. | :02:15. | |
faith of individual Catholics is concerned, I'd be very cautious | :02:15. | :02:16. | |
concerned, I'd be very cautious concerned, I'd be very cautious | :02:16. | :02:22. | |
about passing judgment on that. about passing judgment on that. | :02:22. | :02:23. | |
about passing judgment on that. Lift up your hearts. Undeniably, | :02:23. | :02:25. | |
Lift up your hearts. Undeniably, Lift up your hearts. Undeniably, | :02:25. | :02:27. | |
though, there is an air of though, there is an air of | :02:27. | :02:28. | |
though, there is an air of fragility, seabs of unease amongst | :02:28. | :02:29. | |
fragility, seabs of unease amongst fragility, seabs of unease amongst | :02:29. | :02:30. | |
practising Catholics. Many put the practising Catholics. Many put the | :02:30. | :02:31. | |
practising Catholics. Many put the practising Catholics. Many put the | :02:31. | :02:33. | |
blame at the door of a hierarchy blame at the door of a hierarchy | :02:33. | :02:33. | |
blame at the door of a hierarchy which has appeared unwelcoming and | :02:33. | :02:36. | |
which has appeared unwelcoming and out of touch. | :02:36. | :02:37. | |
out of touch. out of touch. | :02:37. | :02:38. | |
out of touch. I think if there had been more lay | :02:38. | :02:41. | |
I think if there had been more lay I think if there had been more lay | :02:41. | :02:42. | |
voices being listened to rather voices being listened to rather | :02:42. | :02:43. | |
voices being listened to rather voices being listened to rather | :02:43. | :02:44. | |
than being preached at, some of the than being preached at, some of the | :02:44. | :02:45. | |
than being preached at, some of the than being preached at, some of the | :02:45. | :02:45. | |
errors we have had would not have errors we have had would not have | :02:46. | :02:47. | |
errors we have had would not have errors we have had would not have | :02:47. | :02:47. | |
occurred, but I think there is a occurred, but I think there is a | :02:47. | :02:48. | |
occurred, but I think there is a healing process to be going through. | :02:48. | :02:49. | |
healing process to be going through. healing process to be going through. | :02:49. | :02:50. | |
healing process to be going through. There are people who feel that they | :02:50. | :02:53. | |
There are people who feel that they There are people who feel that they | :02:53. | :02:54. | |
have been pushed away from the have been pushed away from the | :02:54. | :02:55. | |
have been pushed away from the have been pushed away from the | :02:55. | :02:56. | |
church - the divorced, the gay. I church - the divorced, the gay. I | :02:56. | :02:57. | |
church - the divorced, the gay. I church - the divorced, the gay. I | :02:57. | :02:58. | |
don't think there is a Lord that don't think there is a Lord that | :02:58. | :02:59. | |
don't think there is a Lord that don't think there is a Lord that | :02:59. | :03:00. | |
wouldn't say to the divorced or gay, wouldn't say to the divorced or gay, | :03:00. | :03:02. | |
wouldn't say to the divorced or gay, wouldn't say to the divorced or gay, | :03:02. | :03:03. | |
you're not welcome at my table, and you're not welcome at my table, and | :03:03. | :03:04. | |
you're not welcome at my table, and you're not welcome at my table, and | :03:04. | :03:06. | |
I think the church has to start I think the church has to start | :03:06. | :03:07. | |
I think the church has to start I think the church has to start | :03:07. | :03:08. | |
thinking how do we reconnect by the thinking how do we reconnect by the | :03:08. | :03:09. | |
thinking how do we reconnect by the hurt taken by some public stance | :03:09. | :03:10. | |
hurt taken by some public stance hurt taken by some public stance | :03:11. | :03:12. | |
taken by some elements within the taken by some elements within the | :03:12. | :03:12. | |
taken by some elements within the church. How does that healing | :03:12. | :03:15. | |
church. How does that healing church. How does that healing | :03:15. | :03:16. | |
process start? What'll it take to process start? What'll it take to | :03:16. | :03:17. | |
process start? What'll it take to restore confidence in the Catholic | :03:17. | :03:19. | |
restore confidence in the Catholic restore confidence in the Catholic | :03:19. | :03:21. | |
Church in Scotland? I'm actually to Church in Scotland? I'm actually to | :03:21. | :03:23. | |
Church in Scotland? I'm actually to some extent upbeat about the medium | :03:23. | :03:24. | |
some extent upbeat about the medium some extent upbeat about the medium | :03:24. | :03:25. | |
and long-term development of the and long-term development of the | :03:26. | :03:28. | |
and long-term development of the church because I know from my | :03:28. | :03:28. | |
church because I know from my church because I know from my | :03:29. | :03:30. | |
historical studies that often out historical studies that often out | :03:30. | :03:32. | |
historical studies that often out of a terrible crisis can compostive | :03:32. | :03:33. | |
of a terrible crisis can compostive of a terrible crisis can compostive | :03:33. | :03:34. | |
opportunity, but that depends on opportunity, but that depends on | :03:34. | :03:35. | |
opportunity, but that depends on how well that's managed, and that's | :03:35. | :03:37. | |
how well that's managed, and that's how well that's managed, and that's | :03:37. | :03:39. | |
how well that's managed, and that's where the big "if" comes in - how | :03:39. | :03:41. | |
where the big "if" comes in - how where the big "if" comes in - how | :03:41. | :03:42. | |
where the big "if" comes in - how where the big "if" comes in - how | :03:42. | :03:43. | |
well that can be - if we can learn well that can be - if we can learn | :03:43. | :03:44. | |
well that can be - if we can learn well that can be - if we can learn | :03:44. | :03:45. | |
from this and move on in a coherent, from this and move on in a coherent, | :03:45. | :03:46. | |
from this and move on in a coherent, positive way. There will be change | :03:46. | :03:47. | |
positive way. There will be change positive way. There will be change | :03:47. | :03:49. | |
positive way. There will be change - of course there will - because we | :03:49. | :03:50. | |
- of course there will - because we - of course there will - because we | :03:50. | :03:51. | |
expect new bishops to be appointed. expect new bishops to be appointed. | :03:51. | :03:52. | |
expect new bishops to be appointed. Those who are leaving are leaving | :03:52. | :03:54. | |
Those who are leaving are leaving Those who are leaving are leaving | :03:54. | :03:55. | |
Those who are leaving are leaving on the grounds of age, because they | :03:55. | :03:56. | |
on the grounds of age, because they on the grounds of age, because they | :03:56. | :03:57. | |
have reached their retirement age, have reached their retirement age, | :03:57. | :03:59. | |
have reached their retirement age, have reached their retirement age, | :03:59. | :03:59. | |
which in the church is 75. Again, which in the church is 75. Again, | :04:00. | :04:00. | |
which in the church is 75. Again, we can expect they'll be replaced | :04:00. | :04:01. | |
we can expect they'll be replaced we can expect they'll be replaced | :04:01. | :04:02. | |
we can expect they'll be replaced by others who are younger than them. | :04:02. | :04:03. | |
by others who are younger than them. by others who are younger than them. | :04:03. | :04:05. | |
by others who are younger than them. So we're going to end up with a | :04:05. | :04:07. | |
So we're going to end up with a So we're going to end up with a | :04:07. | :04:08. | |
younger Conference of Bishops and younger Conference of Bishops and | :04:08. | :04:09. | |
younger Conference of Bishops and with new bishops, so of itself | :04:09. | :04:15. | |
with new bishops, so of itself Will a turnover of personnel on its | :04:15. | :04:16. | |
Will a turnover of personnel on its Will a turnover of personnel on its | :04:16. | :04:17. | |
own be enough? Does it need own be enough? Does it need | :04:17. | :04:19. | |
own be enough? Does it need structural reform, or is a | :04:19. | :04:19. | |
structural reform, or is a fundamental change of priorities | :04:19. | :04:21. | |
fundamental change of priorities fundamental change of priorities | :04:21. | :04:22. | |
needed to make the faithful more needed to make the faithful more | :04:22. | :04:25. | |
comfortable with their church? comfortable with their church? | :04:25. | :04:26. | |
comfortable with their church? comfortable with their church? | :04:26. | :04:27. | |
We will survive this - the most We will survive this - the most | :04:27. | :04:29. | |
We will survive this - the most important question is, do we learn | :04:29. | :04:30. | |
important question is, do we learn important question is, do we learn | :04:30. | :04:32. | |
important question is, do we learn from this? Do we grow from this | :04:32. | :04:33. | |
from this? Do we grow from this from this? Do we grow from this | :04:33. | :04:33. | |
from this? Do we grow from this now? If I didn't think There was a | :04:33. | :04:34. | |
now? If I didn't think There was a now? If I didn't think There was a | :04:34. | :04:35. | |
prospect of growth within the prospect of growth within the | :04:35. | :04:37. | |
prospect of growth within the church, I would find myself another | :04:37. | :04:38. | |
church, I would find myself another church, I would find myself another | :04:38. | :04:39. | |
church, but I don't believe there church, but I don't believe there | :04:39. | :04:40. | |
church, but I don't believe there is another church that better | :04:40. | :04:42. | |
is another church that better is another church that better | :04:42. | :04:44. | |
represents what I believe, what I represents what I believe, what I | :04:44. | :04:47. | |
represents what I believe, what I alirm. I'll be Catholic until my | :04:47. | :04:47. | |
alirm. I'll be Catholic until my alirm. I'll be Catholic until my | :04:47. | :04:48. | |
grave. I think other Scottish grave. I think other Scottish | :04:48. | :04:49. | |
grave. I think other Scottish Catholics will as well. But it | :04:49. | :04:50. | |
Catholics will as well. But it Catholics will as well. But it | :04:50. | :04:51. | |
Catholics will as well. But it would be a mistake to think, just | :04:51. | :04:52. | |
would be a mistake to think, just would be a mistake to think, just | :04:52. | :04:56. | |
pick ourselves up from this. Stick pick ourselves up from this. Stick | :04:56. | :04:57. | |
pick ourselves up from this. Stick together. Nothing needs to change. | :04:57. | :04:58. | |
together. Nothing needs to change. together. Nothing needs to change. | :04:58. | :04:59. | |
together. Nothing needs to change. If we want to see growth and | :04:59. | :05:00. | |
If we want to see growth and If we want to see growth and | :05:00. | :05:01. | |
If we want to see growth and renewal in the church, we have to | :05:01. | :05:03. | |
renewal in the church, we have to renewal in the church, we have to | :05:03. | :05:03. | |
learn from what's unfolded. learn from what's unfolded. | :05:03. | :05:05. | |
learn from what's unfolded. cannot tell - you cannot speculate | :05:05. | :05:06. | |
cannot tell - you cannot speculate cannot tell - you cannot speculate | :05:06. | :05:07. | |
cannot tell - you cannot speculate on the future. It's dangerous to do. | :05:07. | :05:07. | |
on the future. It's dangerous to do. on the future. It's dangerous to do. | :05:07. | :05:08. | |
on the future. It's dangerous to do. on the future. It's dangerous to do. | :05:08. | :05:09. | |
There is a story - let me put it There is a story - let me put it | :05:09. | :05:11. | |
There is a story - let me put it There is a story - let me put it | :05:11. | :05:13. | |
There is a story - let me put it this way - I try to avoid it. | :05:13. | :05:22. | |
this way - I try to avoid it. this way - I try to avoid it. | :05:22. | :05:23. | |
joined by three well-known Scottish joined by three well-known Scottish | :05:23. | :05:24. | |
Catholics, Professor John Haldane, Catholics, Professor John Haldane, | :05:24. | :05:25. | |
Catholics, Professor John Haldane, who's a consultor to the Vatican, | :05:25. | :05:26. | |
who's a consultor to the Vatican, who's a consultor to the Vatican, | :05:26. | :05:27. | |
is in Dundee. Journalist Katie is in Dundee. Journalist Katie | :05:27. | :05:28. | |
is in Dundee. Journalist Katie is in Dundee. Journalist Katie | :05:28. | :05:29. | |
Grant is here in Glasgow, as is Grant is here in Glasgow, as is | :05:29. | :05:29. | |
Grant is here in Glasgow, as is writer and former Lord Provost | :05:29. | :05:30. | |
writer and former Lord Provost writer and former Lord Provost | :05:30. | :05:32. | |
Michael Kelly. Just on the Michael Kelly. Just on the | :05:32. | :05:33. | |
Michael Kelly. Just on the situation of Cardinal Keith O'Brien, | :05:33. | :05:34. | |
situation of Cardinal Keith O'Brien, situation of Cardinal Keith O'Brien, | :05:34. | :05:35. | |
situation of Cardinal Keith O'Brien, I was reading a piece you had | :05:35. | :05:37. | |
I was reading a piece you had I was reading a piece you had | :05:37. | :05:38. | |
written for the Tablet today. The written for the Tablet today. The | :05:38. | :05:39. | |
written for the Tablet today. The implication is he was resigned, if | :05:39. | :05:40. | |
implication is he was resigned, if implication is he was resigned, if | :05:40. | :05:41. | |
implication is he was resigned, if I can put it that way, in other | :05:41. | :05:43. | |
I can put it that way, in other I can put it that way, in other | :05:43. | :05:44. | |
words, that it wasn't an entirely words, that it wasn't an entirely | :05:44. | :05:45. | |
words, that it wasn't an entirely voluntary decision. That is correct. | :05:45. | :05:47. | |
voluntary decision. That is correct. voluntary decision. That is correct. | :05:47. | :05:49. | |
voluntary decision. That is correct. Right. I mean, I think there are | :05:49. | :05:50. | |
Right. I mean, I think there are Right. I mean, I think there are | :05:50. | :05:51. | |
two dimensions to this that perhaps two dimensions to this that perhaps | :05:51. | :05:52. | |
two dimensions to this that perhaps need to be clarified. One is, | :05:52. | :05:53. | |
need to be clarified. One is, need to be clarified. One is, | :05:53. | :05:56. | |
remember, he was an Archbishop, and remember, he was an Archbishop, and | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
remember, he was an Archbishop, and he is also a Cardinal. Rome's | :05:59. | :06:00. | |
he is also a Cardinal. Rome's he is also a Cardinal. Rome's | :06:00. | :06:04. | |
decision thus far concerned the decision thus far concerned the | :06:04. | :06:06. | |
decision thus far concerned the acceptance of a predelivered letter | :06:06. | :06:08. | |
acceptance of a predelivered letter acceptance of a predelivered letter | :06:08. | :06:08. | |
of resignation as Archbishop. What of resignation as Archbishop. What | :06:08. | :06:12. | |
of resignation as Archbishop. What was resolved in the course of | :06:12. | :06:14. | |
was resolved in the course of Saturday and Sunday, principally | :06:14. | :06:15. | |
Saturday and Sunday, principally Saturday and Sunday, principally | :06:15. | :06:17. | |
Saturday and Sunday, principally Sunday, was a decision on his part, | :06:17. | :06:18. | |
Sunday, was a decision on his part, Sunday, was a decision on his part, | :06:18. | :06:19. | |
an entirely voluntary decision on an entirely voluntary decision on | :06:19. | :06:20. | |
an entirely voluntary decision on an entirely voluntary decision on | :06:20. | :06:22. | |
his part, not to go to the conclave, his part, not to go to the conclave, | :06:22. | :06:22. | |
his part, not to go to the conclave, his part, not to go to the conclave, | :06:22. | :06:24. | |
which he'd still be entitled to go which he'd still be entitled to go | :06:24. | :06:25. | |
which he'd still be entitled to go which he'd still be entitled to go | :06:25. | :06:26. | |
to as a Cardinal. That's nothing to to as a Cardinal. That's nothing to | :06:26. | :06:27. | |
to as a Cardinal. That's nothing to do with his position as an | :06:27. | :06:31. | |
do with his position as an Archbishop. Right. Basically, the | :06:31. | :06:32. | |
Archbishop. Right. Basically, the Archbishop. Right. Basically, the | :06:32. | :06:32. | |
Archbishop. Right. Basically, the vet can made it quite clear - we | :06:32. | :06:41. | |
vet can made it quite clear - we The Vatican chose to accept his | :06:41. | :06:42. | |
The Vatican chose to accept his The Vatican chose to accept his | :06:42. | :06:43. | |
resignation and I presume judged resignation and I presume judged | :06:43. | :06:44. | |
resignation and I presume judged there was reason to do so. | :06:44. | :06:46. | |
there was reason to do so. there was reason to do so. | :06:46. | :06:51. | |
Right. At the beginning of the Right. At the beginning of the | :06:51. | :06:53. | |
Right. At the beginning of the article you wrote, you rather pored | :06:53. | :06:54. | |
article you wrote, you rather pored article you wrote, you rather pored | :06:54. | :06:55. | |
scorn on the media for speculating scorn on the media for speculating | :06:55. | :06:57. | |
scorn on the media for speculating scorn on the media for speculating | :06:57. | :06:58. | |
about what had gone on in this about what had gone on in this | :06:58. | :06:59. | |
affair and suggesting some affair and suggesting some | :06:59. | :07:00. | |
affair and suggesting some Catholics had been jumping to | :07:00. | :07:01. | |
Catholics had been jumping to Catholics had been jumping to | :07:01. | :07:02. | |
conclusions, but towards the end of conclusions, but towards the end of | :07:02. | :07:05. | |
conclusions, but towards the end of the article you say, "Who benefited | :07:05. | :07:07. | |
the article you say, "Who benefited the article you say, "Who benefited | :07:07. | :07:08. | |
from these accusation being made from these accusation being made | :07:08. | :07:09. | |
from these accusation being made public?" How would you answer your | :07:09. | :07:10. | |
public?" How would you answer your public?" How would you answer your | :07:10. | :07:12. | |
public?" How would you answer your own question? Well, I think the - | :07:12. | :07:13. | |
own question? Well, I think the - own question? Well, I think the - | :07:13. | :07:14. | |
own question? Well, I think the - these are two different points in a | :07:14. | :07:15. | |
these are two different points in a these are two different points in a | :07:15. | :07:16. | |
these are two different points in a way. I think the remark I was | :07:16. | :07:17. | |
way. I think the remark I was way. I think the remark I was | :07:17. | :07:19. | |
offering at the beginning of this offering at the beginning of this | :07:19. | :07:20. | |
offering at the beginning of this offering at the beginning of this | :07:20. | :07:21. | |
is there was a great deal of is there was a great deal of | :07:21. | :07:22. | |
is there was a great deal of commentary had come out from people | :07:22. | :07:23. | |
commentary had come out from people commentary had come out from people | :07:23. | :07:25. | |
who knew nothing whatsoever about who knew nothing whatsoever about | :07:25. | :07:26. | |
who knew nothing whatsoever about the circumstances. I mean, I really | :07:26. | :07:27. | |
the circumstances. I mean, I really the circumstances. I mean, I really | :07:27. | :07:29. | |
do mean knew nothing whatsoever do mean knew nothing whatsoever | :07:29. | :07:30. | |
do mean knew nothing whatsoever about the circumstances. Now, that | :07:30. | :07:31. | |
about the circumstances. Now, that about the circumstances. Now, that | :07:31. | :07:33. | |
about the circumstances. Now, that is one thing. There is a question | :07:33. | :07:36. | |
is one thing. There is a question is one thing. There is a question | :07:36. | :07:37. | |
is one thing. There is a question to be asked about the timing and | :07:37. | :07:38. | |
to be asked about the timing and to be asked about the timing and | :07:38. | :07:41. | |
to be asked about the timing and the making public of what had been | :07:41. | :07:43. | |
the making public of what had been the making public of what had been | :07:43. | :07:44. | |
the making public of what had been put forward privately as a set of | :07:44. | :07:45. | |
put forward privately as a set of put forward privately as a set of | :07:45. | :07:46. | |
accusations, and that is, it seems accusations, and that is, it seems | :07:46. | :07:48. | |
accusations, and that is, it seems to me, an interesting issue that'll | :07:48. | :07:49. | |
to me, an interesting issue that'll to me, an interesting issue that'll | :07:49. | :07:50. | |
to me, an interesting issue that'll be explored, I've no doubt in the | :07:50. | :07:51. | |
be explored, I've no doubt in the be explored, I've no doubt in the | :07:51. | :07:52. | |
course of time as further aspects course of time as further aspects | :07:52. | :07:53. | |
course of time as further aspects of this emerge, one thing and | :07:53. | :07:54. | |
of this emerge, one thing and of this emerge, one thing and | :07:54. | :07:55. | |
another. The initial remark was to another. The initial remark was to | :07:55. | :07:56. | |
another. The initial remark was to the effect that people were | :07:56. | :07:58. | |
the effect that people were offering commentaries, for example, | :07:58. | :08:00. | |
offering commentaries, for example, offering commentaries, for example, | :08:00. | :08:02. | |
offering commentaries, for example, about the scale of the impact of | :08:02. | :08:03. | |
about the scale of the impact of about the scale of the impact of | :08:03. | :08:04. | |
about the scale of the impact of this, what might be involved, so on, | :08:04. | :08:05. | |
this, what might be involved, so on, who literally knew nothing | :08:05. | :08:06. | |
who literally knew nothing who literally knew nothing | :08:06. | :08:07. | |
whatsoever of the situation. whatsoever of the situation. | :08:07. | :08:08. | |
whatsoever of the situation. when you say "who benefits", are | :08:08. | :08:09. | |
when you say "who benefits", are when you say "who benefits", are | :08:09. | :08:11. | |
when you say "who benefits", are you suggesting there was some - if | :08:11. | :08:13. | |
you suggesting there was some - if you suggesting there was some - if | :08:13. | :08:14. | |
not a conspiracy, at least not a conspiracy, at least | :08:14. | :08:14. | |
not a conspiracy, at least something malignant going on here? | :08:15. | :08:16. | |
something malignant going on here? something malignant going on here? | :08:16. | :08:17. | |
something malignant going on here? something malignant going on here? | :08:18. | :08:18. | |
Well, I was drawing in a way - this Well, I was drawing in a way - this | :08:18. | :08:19. | |
Well, I was drawing in a way - this Well, I was drawing in a way - this | :08:19. | :08:20. | |
is in the context of drawing a is in the context of drawing a | :08:20. | :08:21. | |
is in the context of drawing a larger conclusion about the state | :08:21. | :08:22. | |
larger conclusion about the state larger conclusion about the state | :08:22. | :08:23. | |
larger conclusion about the state of the health, as it were, of the | :08:23. | :08:24. | |
of the health, as it were, of the Catholic Church in Scotland, | :08:24. | :08:25. | |
Catholic Church in Scotland, Catholic Church in Scotland, | :08:25. | :08:26. | |
because it seems to me whichever because it seems to me whichever | :08:26. | :08:29. | |
because it seems to me whichever way this matter is resolved, you | :08:29. | :08:31. | |
way this matter is resolved, you way this matter is resolved, you | :08:31. | :08:32. | |
have a problem. If the accusations have a problem. If the accusations | :08:32. | :08:33. | |
have a problem. If the accusations are substantiated, then clearly you | :08:33. | :08:37. | |
are substantiated, then clearly you are substantiated, then clearly you | :08:37. | :08:40. | |
have the problem of moral have the problem of moral | :08:40. | :08:41. | |
have the problem of moral malpractice and the - there are | :08:41. | :08:44. | |
malpractice and the - there are malpractice and the - there are | :08:44. | :08:45. | |
questions involved but anyway, more questions involved but anyway, more | :08:45. | :08:46. | |
questions involved but anyway, more and more malpractice on behalf of | :08:46. | :08:47. | |
and more malpractice on behalf of and more malpractice on behalf of | :08:47. | :08:48. | |
an Archbishop. If they were found an Archbishop. If they were found | :08:48. | :08:50. | |
an Archbishop. If they were found an Archbishop. If they were found | :08:50. | :08:50. | |
to be without subs stance, then you to be without subs stance, then you | :08:50. | :08:51. | |
to be without subs stance, then you have the situation of priests | :08:51. | :08:52. | |
have the situation of priests have the situation of priests | :08:52. | :08:53. | |
within the church willing to put within the church willing to put | :08:53. | :08:54. | |
within the church willing to put together, to work together, to | :08:54. | :08:58. | |
together, to work together, to together, to work together, to | :08:58. | :08:59. | |
submit a set of acusation which submit a set of acusation which | :08:59. | :09:01. | |
submit a set of acusation which were false so whichever way this | :09:01. | :09:02. | |
were false so whichever way this were false so whichever way this | :09:02. | :09:03. | |
goes, it doesn't speak to the goes, it doesn't speak to the | :09:03. | :09:04. | |
goes, it doesn't speak to the health of the Catholic Church in | :09:04. | :09:05. | |
health of the Catholic Church in health of the Catholic Church in | :09:05. | :09:06. | |
health of the Catholic Church in Scotland. What do you make of that? | :09:06. | :09:07. | |
Scotland. What do you make of that? Scotland. What do you make of that? | :09:07. | :09:09. | |
Whatever this is, it ain't good, Whatever this is, it ain't good, | :09:09. | :09:11. | |
basically. Well, it's perfectly basically. Well, it's perfectly | :09:11. | :09:12. | |
basically. Well, it's perfectly true that whatever happens, as he | :09:12. | :09:13. | |
true that whatever happens, as he true that whatever happens, as he | :09:13. | :09:17. | |
says, that the outcome of that says, that the outcome of that | :09:17. | :09:18. | |
says, that the outcome of that isn't good. But the ordinary | :09:18. | :09:21. | |
isn't good. But the ordinary isn't good. But the ordinary | :09:21. | :09:22. | |
isn't good. But the ordinary Catholic in the pew - there are | :09:22. | :09:23. | |
Catholic in the pew - there are christenings going on, holy | :09:23. | :09:26. | |
christenings going on, holy christenings going on, holy | :09:26. | :09:27. | |
confirmation, people are dying. The confirmation, people are dying. The | :09:27. | :09:28. | |
confirmation, people are dying. The ordinary, pastoral work of the | :09:28. | :09:29. | |
ordinary, pastoral work of the ordinary, pastoral work of the | :09:29. | :09:30. | |
ordinary, pastoral work of the church just going on. There are two | :09:30. | :09:31. | |
church just going on. There are two different things happening here. | :09:31. | :09:33. | |
different things happening here. different things happening here. | :09:33. | :09:34. | |
There is some sort of bureaucratic There is some sort of bureaucratic | :09:34. | :09:35. | |
There is some sort of bureaucratic There is some sort of bureaucratic | :09:35. | :09:41. | |
crisis. I don't even think it's a It's more than that. If the | :09:41. | :09:42. | |
It's more than that. If the It's more than that. If the | :09:42. | :09:44. | |
allegations are true, it's speck allegations are true, it's speck | :09:44. | :09:46. | |
tartacular hypocrisy. Indeed. If tartacular hypocrisy. Indeed. If | :09:46. | :09:48. | |
tartacular hypocrisy. Indeed. If the allegations were true, it would | :09:48. | :09:50. | |
the allegations were true, it would the allegations were true, it would | :09:50. | :09:50. | |
be spectacular hypocrisy, and at be spectacular hypocrisy, and at | :09:50. | :09:51. | |
be spectacular hypocrisy, and at the moment this is between the | :09:51. | :09:52. | |
the moment this is between the the moment this is between the | :09:52. | :09:53. | |
the moment this is between the priests and the Archbishop - or the | :09:53. | :09:55. | |
priests and the Archbishop - or the priests and the Archbishop - or the | :09:55. | :09:56. | |
Archbishop now resigned, but for Archbishop now resigned, but for | :09:56. | :09:57. | |
Archbishop now resigned, but for the ordinary Catholic in the pew, | :09:57. | :09:58. | |
the ordinary Catholic in the pew, the ordinary Catholic in the pew, | :09:58. | :09:59. | |
the pastoral work of the church the pastoral work of the church | :09:59. | :10:00. | |
the pastoral work of the church the pastoral work of the church | :10:00. | :10:01. | |
just goes on, so I think when just goes on, so I think when | :10:01. | :10:02. | |
just goes on, so I think when people talk about a crisis, a | :10:02. | :10:03. | |
people talk about a crisis, a people talk about a crisis, a | :10:03. | :10:04. | |
crisis to me is something where crisis to me is something where | :10:04. | :10:05. | |
crisis to me is something where crisis to me is something where | :10:05. | :10:06. | |
people run around and say, we don't people run around and say, we don't | :10:06. | :10:07. | |
people run around and say, we don't know what to do. Everybody knows | :10:07. | :10:09. | |
know what to do. Everybody knows know what to do. Everybody knows | :10:09. | :10:10. | |
what they're doing in this case. what they're doing in this case. | :10:10. | :10:11. | |
what they're doing in this case. The allegations are going to be | :10:11. | :10:12. | |
The allegations are going to be The allegations are going to be | :10:12. | :10:13. | |
looked at, and the ordinary looked at, and the ordinary | :10:14. | :10:15. | |
looked at, and the ordinary Catholic gets on. It's lent. Easter | :10:15. | :10:16. | |
Catholic gets on. It's lent. Easter Catholic gets on. It's lent. Easter | :10:16. | :10:18. | |
Catholic gets on. It's lent. Easter is coming up. We have a papal | :10:18. | :10:19. | |
is coming up. We have a papal is coming up. We have a papal | :10:19. | :10:20. | |
is coming up. We have a papal conclave. That's just how it is. I | :10:20. | :10:21. | |
conclave. That's just how it is. I conclave. That's just how it is. I | :10:21. | :10:21. | |
conclave. That's just how it is. I think there is a tendency to kind | :10:22. | :10:22. | |
think there is a tendency to kind think there is a tendency to kind | :10:22. | :10:23. | |
think there is a tendency to kind of ratchet up the emotion and the | :10:23. | :10:24. | |
of ratchet up the emotion and the of ratchet up the emotion and the | :10:24. | :10:25. | |
of ratchet up the emotion and the sort of - the idea of chaos, but | :10:25. | :10:27. | |
sort of - the idea of chaos, but sort of - the idea of chaos, but | :10:27. | :10:28. | |
sort of - the idea of chaos, but there isn't any chaos. There is a | :10:28. | :10:30. | |
there isn't any chaos. There is a there isn't any chaos. There is a | :10:30. | :10:31. | |
perfectly good procedure going on perfectly good procedure going on | :10:31. | :10:32. | |
perfectly good procedure going on perfectly good procedure going on | :10:32. | :10:33. | |
now. It's not very nice. It's very now. It's not very nice. It's very | :10:33. | :10:34. | |
now. It's not very nice. It's very public. It doesn't do the church | :10:34. | :10:35. | |
public. It doesn't do the church public. It doesn't do the church | :10:35. | :10:37. | |
public. It doesn't do the church any good, but it's not a crisis. | :10:37. | :10:38. | |
any good, but it's not a crisis. any good, but it's not a crisis. | :10:38. | :10:40. | |
The very least you could say, The very least you could say, | :10:40. | :10:43. | |
The very least you could say, surely is taken together with the | :10:43. | :10:44. | |
surely is taken together with the surely is taken together with the | :10:44. | :10:45. | |
long list of incidents in other long list of incidents in other | :10:45. | :10:46. | |
long list of incidents in other countries we have had with child | :10:46. | :10:48. | |
countries we have had with child countries we have had with child | :10:48. | :10:49. | |
abuse and America and Ireland, all abuse and America and Ireland, all | :10:50. | :10:52. | |
abuse and America and Ireland, all the various things this certainly | :10:52. | :10:52. | |
the various things this certainly the various things this certainly | :10:52. | :10:53. | |
doesn't do the image of the doesn't do the image of the | :10:53. | :10:54. | |
doesn't do the image of the Catholic Church any good. | :10:54. | :10:56. | |
Catholic Church any good. Catholic Church any good. | :10:56. | :10:57. | |
wouldn't take it together with wouldn't take it together with | :10:57. | :10:58. | |
wouldn't take it together with those other things. I'm sorry. I'm | :10:58. | :10:59. | |
those other things. I'm sorry. I'm those other things. I'm sorry. I'm | :10:59. | :11:00. | |
those other things. I'm sorry. I'm not saying it's the same issue. I | :11:00. | :11:01. | |
not saying it's the same issue. I not saying it's the same issue. I | :11:01. | :11:02. | |
not saying it's the same issue. I am saying there have been a whole | :11:02. | :11:05. | |
am saying there have been a whole am saying there have been a whole | :11:05. | :11:07. | |
series of issues which have either series of issues which have either | :11:07. | :11:08. | |
series of issues which have either got to actual criminal behaviours, | :11:08. | :11:09. | |
got to actual criminal behaviours, got to actual criminal behaviours, | :11:09. | :11:11. | |
got to actual criminal behaviours, in some of them, in this case, | :11:11. | :11:12. | |
in some of them, in this case, in some of them, in this case, | :11:12. | :11:15. | |
possibly gets you to hypocrisy or possibly gets you to hypocrisy or | :11:15. | :11:17. | |
possibly gets you to hypocrisy or the things that the professor | :11:17. | :11:19. | |
the things that the professor the things that the professor | :11:19. | :11:20. | |
outlined. Image-wise, it's not good. outlined. Image-wise, it's not good. | :11:20. | :11:21. | |
outlined. Image-wise, it's not good. outlined. Image-wise, it's not good. | :11:21. | :11:22. | |
Of course it's not. In that sense Of course it's not. In that sense | :11:22. | :11:23. | |
Of course it's not. In that sense it's damaging. I would reject all | :11:23. | :11:25. | |
it's damaging. I would reject all it's damaging. I would reject all | :11:25. | :11:25. | |
it's damaging. I would reject all talk of crisis as just making a | :11:26. | :11:27. | |
talk of crisis as just making a talk of crisis as just making a | :11:27. | :11:28. | |
talk of crisis as just making a drama into a crisis. This is a | :11:28. | :11:30. | |
drama into a crisis. This is a drama into a crisis. This is a | :11:30. | :11:32. | |
very... You wouldn't agree with very... You wouldn't agree with | :11:32. | :11:33. | |
very... You wouldn't agree with Tom? I disagree totally. I think | :11:33. | :11:33. | |
Tom? I disagree totally. I think Tom? I disagree totally. I think | :11:33. | :11:34. | |
his analysis just doesn't stand up. his analysis just doesn't stand up. | :11:34. | :11:36. | |
his analysis just doesn't stand up. his analysis just doesn't stand up. | :11:36. | :11:37. | |
I mean, he was talking there in the I mean, he was talking there in the | :11:37. | :11:39. | |
I mean, he was talking there in the film about positive aspects coming | :11:39. | :11:40. | |
film about positive aspects coming film about positive aspects coming | :11:40. | :11:43. | |
film about positive aspects coming film about positive aspects coming | :11:43. | :11:44. | |
out of a crisis as he sees it. The out of a crisis as he sees it. The | :11:44. | :11:46. | |
out of a crisis as he sees it. The Viemar Republic springs to mind. | :11:46. | :11:47. | |
Viemar Republic springs to mind. Viemar Republic springs to mind. | :11:47. | :11:51. | |
Nothing came out of the chaos Nothing came out of the chaos | :11:51. | :11:52. | |
Nothing came out of the chaos Nothing came out of the chaos | :11:52. | :11:54. | |
caused by that. I don't see this as caused by that. I don't see this as | :11:54. | :11:56. | |
caused by that. I don't see this as caused by that. I don't see this as | :11:56. | :11:57. | |
a crisis in any way doctrinally or a crisis in any way doctrinally or | :11:57. | :11:59. | |
doing mattically. It hasn't doing mattically. It hasn't | :11:59. | :12:02. | |
affected what Catholics are affected what Catholics are | :12:02. | :12:04. | |
affected what Catholics are expected to believe. If the | :12:04. | :12:05. | |
expected to believe. If the expected to believe. If the | :12:05. | :12:06. | |
expected to believe. If the Catholic faith is put into - by a | :12:06. | :12:07. | |
Catholic faith is put into - by a Catholic faith is put into - by a | :12:07. | :12:08. | |
scandal like this, they really scandal like this, they really | :12:08. | :12:10. | |
scandal like this, they really don't have the right approach to | :12:10. | :12:11. | |
don't have the right approach to don't have the right approach to | :12:11. | :12:12. | |
the Catholic Church. What they the Catholic Church. What they | :12:12. | :12:14. | |
the Catholic Church. What they should do - I think Brian | :12:14. | :12:15. | |
should do - I think Brian should do - I think Brian | :12:15. | :12:16. | |
Fitzpatrick was alluding to this, Fitzpatrick was alluding to this, | :12:16. | :12:17. | |
Fitzpatrick was alluding to this, Fitzpatrick was alluding to this, | :12:17. | :12:18. | |
if they see this hypocrisy, if it's if they see this hypocrisy, if it's | :12:18. | :12:19. | |
if they see this hypocrisy, if it's if they see this hypocrisy, if it's | :12:19. | :12:20. | |
proved to be that as major problem, proved to be that as major problem, | :12:20. | :12:21. | |
proved to be that as major problem, proved to be that as major problem, | :12:21. | :12:21. | |
then they really do have to find then they really do have to find | :12:21. | :12:22. | |
then they really do have to find another church. The church is not | :12:22. | :12:24. | |
another church. The church is not another church. The church is not | :12:24. | :12:26. | |
another church. The church is not going to change to suit them. | :12:26. | :12:27. | |
going to change to suit them. going to change to suit them. | :12:27. | :12:28. | |
read you, John, something you said read you, John, something you said | :12:28. | :12:30. | |
read you, John, something you said in this article? It's just a | :12:30. | :12:31. | |
in this article? It's just a in this article? It's just a | :12:31. | :12:34. | |
sentence - a couple of sentences. sentence - a couple of sentences. | :12:34. | :12:34. | |
sentence - a couple of sentences. It says, "Homosexuality per se | :12:34. | :12:35. | |
It says, "Homosexuality per se It says, "Homosexuality per se | :12:35. | :12:36. | |
isn't the problem. It's the isn't the problem. It's the | :12:36. | :12:37. | |
isn't the problem. It's the existence of large numbers of gays | :12:37. | :12:40. | |
existence of large numbers of gays existence of large numbers of gays | :12:40. | :12:42. | |
in an insthution regards this in an insthution regards this | :12:42. | :12:43. | |
condition as intrinsically condition as intrinsically | :12:43. | :12:44. | |
disordered and pretends its disordered and pretends its | :12:44. | :12:45. | |
disordered and pretends its priesthood is not subject to that | :12:45. | :12:47. | |
priesthood is not subject to that priesthood is not subject to that | :12:47. | :12:48. | |
very condition." I suppose two very condition." I suppose two | :12:48. | :12:49. | |
very condition." I suppose two very condition." I suppose two | :12:49. | :12:50. | |
questions on that - one, what are questions on that - one, what are | :12:50. | :12:52. | |
questions on that - one, what are you getting at? Secondly, you seem | :12:52. | :12:52. | |
you getting at? Secondly, you seem you getting at? Secondly, you seem | :12:52. | :12:54. | |
you getting at? Secondly, you seem you getting at? Secondly, you seem | :12:54. | :12:55. | |
to be getting at what you see as a to be getting at what you see as a | :12:55. | :12:56. | |
to be getting at what you see as a structural problem in the church. I | :12:56. | :12:57. | |
structural problem in the church. I structural problem in the church. I | :12:57. | :12:57. | |
don't think you're a particularly don't think you're a particularly | :12:57. | :12:58. | |
don't think you're a particularly just referring to Scotland here. | :12:58. | :13:01. | |
just referring to Scotland here. just referring to Scotland here. | :13:01. | :13:01. | |
Well, no, I wasn't particularly Well, no, I wasn't particularly | :13:01. | :13:02. | |
referring - or exclusively referring - or exclusively | :13:02. | :13:08. | |
What I was getting at is what I What I was getting at is what I | :13:08. | :13:09. | |
What I was getting at is what I What I was getting at is what I | :13:09. | :13:10. | |
said. What I was saying is there is said. What I was saying is there is | :13:10. | :13:11. | |
said. What I was saying is there is said. What I was saying is there is | :13:11. | :13:12. | |
an aspect to the state of the an aspect to the state of the | :13:12. | :13:12. | |
an aspect to the state of the an aspect to the state of the | :13:13. | :13:13. | |
church and the clergy and so on church and the clergy and so on | :13:13. | :13:14. | |
church and the clergy and so on which is well known. People are | :13:14. | :13:16. | |
which is well known. People are which is well known. People are | :13:16. | :13:18. | |
uncomfortable to hear it discussed, uncomfortable to hear it discussed, | :13:18. | :13:19. | |
uncomfortable to hear it discussed, uncomfortable to hear it discussed, | :13:19. | :13:20. | |
but for reasons which I give an but for reasons which I give an | :13:20. | :13:21. | |
but for reasons which I give an but for reasons which I give an | :13:21. | :13:23. | |
account of in terms - in that account of in terms - in that | :13:23. | :13:24. | |
account of in terms - in that article and so on, seminaries have | :13:24. | :13:26. | |
article and so on, seminaries have article and so on, seminaries have | :13:26. | :13:27. | |
often been places in which people often been places in which people | :13:27. | :13:29. | |
often been places in which people could escape to, as it were, | :13:29. | :13:30. | |
could escape to, as it were, without having questions asked | :13:30. | :13:31. | |
without having questions asked without having questions asked | :13:31. | :13:32. | |
without having questions asked within the home and as they were | :13:32. | :13:33. | |
within the home and as they were within the home and as they were | :13:34. | :13:34. | |
growing up and within their growing up and within their | :13:34. | :13:36. | |
growing up and within their communities about whether they have | :13:36. | :13:37. | |
communities about whether they have girlfriends, whether they have | :13:38. | :13:38. | |
girlfriends, whether they have girlfriends, whether they have | :13:38. | :13:39. | |
fiancees, whether they're going to fiancees, whether they're going to | :13:39. | :13:41. | |
fiancees, whether they're going to fiancees, whether they're going to | :13:41. | :13:42. | |
get married and so on... I get that get married and so on... I get that | :13:42. | :13:43. | |
get married and so on... I get that get married and so on... I get that | :13:43. | :13:44. | |
point. See, a lot of people who are point. See, a lot of people who are | :13:44. | :13:45. | |
point. See, a lot of people who are point. See, a lot of people who are | :13:45. | :13:47. | |
not Catholics will watch in and say, not Catholics will watch in and say, | :13:47. | :13:48. | |
not Catholics will watch in and say, not Catholics will watch in and say, | :13:48. | :13:50. | |
look, what is it these people are look, what is it these people are | :13:50. | :13:52. | |
look, what is it these people are getting so worked up about? They | :13:52. | :13:53. | |
getting so worked up about? They getting so worked up about? They | :13:53. | :13:53. | |
have the accusation these people have the accusation these people | :13:53. | :13:54. | |
have the accusation these people have the accusation these people | :13:54. | :13:56. | |
are - whether it's a clique or just are - whether it's a clique or just | :13:56. | :13:58. | |
are - whether it's a clique or just are - whether it's a clique or just | :13:58. | :13:59. | |
a group of openly gay clergy within a group of openly gay clergy within | :13:59. | :14:00. | |
a group of openly gay clergy within a group of openly gay clergy within | :14:00. | :14:01. | |
the curia, that was one of the the curia, that was one of the | :14:01. | :14:02. | |
the curia, that was one of the the curia, that was one of the | :14:02. | :14:02. | |
things that it has been accused of, things that it has been accused of, | :14:02. | :14:05. | |
things that it has been accused of, but on the other hand, this | :14:05. | :14:08. | |
but on the other hand, this but on the other hand, this | :14:08. | :14:08. | |
organisation takes a famously hard organisation takes a famously hard | :14:08. | :14:10. | |
organisation takes a famously hard line about homosexuality, so - I | :14:10. | :14:13. | |
line about homosexuality, so - I line about homosexuality, so - I | :14:13. | :14:14. | |
line about homosexuality, so - I mean, how would you explain that to | :14:14. | :14:15. | |
mean, how would you explain that to mean, how would you explain that to | :14:15. | :14:16. | |
outsiders? Sorry. Yeah. I don't outsiders? Sorry. Yeah. I don't | :14:16. | :14:17. | |
outsiders? Sorry. Yeah. I don't think anybody's made a situation | :14:17. | :14:19. | |
think anybody's made a situation think anybody's made a situation | :14:19. | :14:20. | |
think anybody's made a situation there is a group of openly gay | :14:20. | :14:21. | |
there is a group of openly gay there is a group of openly gay | :14:21. | :14:22. | |
there is a group of openly gay clergy in the curia. The question - | :14:22. | :14:22. | |
clergy in the curia. The question - clergy in the curia. The question - | :14:22. | :14:24. | |
clergy in the curia. The question - just so we can focus and make it | :14:24. | :14:25. | |
just so we can focus and make it just so we can focus and make it | :14:25. | :14:26. | |
clear - the question about clear - the question about | :14:26. | :14:27. | |
clear - the question about homosexuality was simply the point | :14:27. | :14:28. | |
homosexuality was simply the point homosexuality was simply the point | :14:28. | :14:29. | |
homosexuality was simply the point homosexuality was simply the point | :14:29. | :14:30. | |
that I was making - was this, it is, that I was making - was this, it is, | :14:30. | :14:31. | |
that I was making - was this, it is, that I was making - was this, it is, | :14:31. | :14:33. | |
I think, a fact that there is a I think, a fact that there is a | :14:33. | :14:33. | |
I think, a fact that there is a very significant percentage of the | :14:33. | :14:35. | |
very significant percentage of the very significant percentage of the | :14:35. | :14:36. | |
very significant percentage of the clergy - let us say under the age | :14:36. | :14:38. | |
clergy - let us say under the age clergy - let us say under the age | :14:38. | :14:39. | |
clergy - let us say under the age clergy - let us say under the age | :14:39. | :14:40. | |
of 50 or 40, perhaps, 45 - I don't of 50 or 40, perhaps, 45 - I don't | :14:40. | :14:42. | |
of 50 or 40, perhaps, 45 - I don't know what exactly that figure would | :14:42. | :14:44. | |
know what exactly that figure would know what exactly that figure would | :14:44. | :14:45. | |
be - that are homosexual by be - that are homosexual by | :14:45. | :14:46. | |
be - that are homosexual by orientation. Now, that in itself, | :14:46. | :14:47. | |
orientation. Now, that in itself, orientation. Now, that in itself, | :14:47. | :14:48. | |
orientation. Now, that in itself, orientation. Now, that in itself, | :14:49. | :14:49. | |
as I say, is not a problem or need as I say, is not a problem or need | :14:49. | :14:50. | |
as I say, is not a problem or need as I say, is not a problem or need | :14:50. | :14:51. | |
not be a problem. This is not a not be a problem. This is not a | :14:51. | :14:52. | |
not be a problem. This is not a not be a problem. This is not a | :14:52. | :14:53. | |
question as to whether or not it is question as to whether or not it is | :14:53. | :14:55. | |
question as to whether or not it is question as to whether or not it is | :14:55. | :14:56. | |
possible to be homosexual and to be possible to be homosexual and to be | :14:56. | :14:57. | |
possible to be homosexual and to be a Catholic priest, legitimately so. | :14:57. | :14:58. | |
a Catholic priest, legitimately so. a Catholic priest, legitimately so. | :14:58. | :15:00. | |
The answer is obviously yes. The The answer is obviously yes. The | :15:00. | :15:02. | |
The answer is obviously yes. The problem would be if there's | :15:03. | :15:03. | |
problem would be if there's problem would be if there's | :15:04. | :15:05. | |
problem would be if there's subculture - not openly gay, but a | :15:05. | :15:06. | |
subculture - not openly gay, but a subculture - not openly gay, but a | :15:06. | :15:08. | |
subculture of priests who are subculture of priests who are | :15:08. | :15:10. | |
subculture of priests who are simply not honouring their vows of | :15:10. | :15:11. | |
simply not honouring their vows of simply not honouring their vows of | :15:11. | :15:12. | |
simply not honouring their vows of celibacy, and that is as grave in | :15:12. | :15:13. | |
celibacy, and that is as grave in celibacy, and that is as grave in | :15:13. | :15:15. | |
the case of heterosexual priests the case of heterosexual priests | :15:15. | :15:16. | |
the case of heterosexual priests the case of heterosexual priests | :15:16. | :15:17. | |
who are not honouring their vow of who are not honouring their vow of | :15:17. | :15:18. | |
who are not honouring their vow of who are not honouring their vow of | :15:19. | :15:19. | |
celibacy, so one of my proposals - celibacy, so one of my proposals - | :15:19. | :15:20. | |
celibacy, so one of my proposals - celibacy, so one of my proposals - | :15:20. | :15:22. | |
a set of proposal, as you know - a set of proposal, as you know - | :15:22. | :15:23. | |
a set of proposal, as you know - a set of proposal, as you know - | :15:23. | :15:24. | |
but one of my proposals is clergy but one of my proposals is clergy | :15:24. | :15:26. | |
but one of my proposals is clergy should be now required in private | :15:26. | :15:28. | |
should be now required in private should be now required in private | :15:28. | :15:29. | |
to solemnly renew their vows of to solemnly renew their vows of | :15:29. | :15:30. | |
to solemnly renew their vows of to solemnly renew their vows of | :15:30. | :15:31. | |
celibacy and that any member of the celibacy and that any member of the | :15:31. | :15:32. | |
celibacy and that any member of the celibacy and that any member of the | :15:32. | :15:33. | |
clergy who feels unable to do that clergy who feels unable to do that | :15:33. | :15:34. | |
clergy who feels unable to do that clergy who feels unable to do that | :15:34. | :15:35. | |
should be reasoned to the lay state, should be reasoned to the lay state, | :15:35. | :15:36. | |
should be reasoned to the lay state, that the church should facility... | :15:36. | :15:37. | |
that the church should facility... that the church should facility... | :15:37. | :15:38. | |
Running out of time is that Running out of time is that | :15:38. | :15:40. | |
Running out of time is that helpful? Priests are supposed to | :15:40. | :15:41. | |
helpful? Priests are supposed to helpful? Priests are supposed to | :15:41. | :15:42. | |
take vows when they're ordained, take vows when they're ordained, | :15:42. | :15:52. | |
:15:52. | :15:57. | ||
The whole question of celibacy, The whole question of celibacy, | :15:57. | :15:59. | |
The whole question of celibacy, The whole question of celibacy, | :15:59. | :16:00. | |
that is something that could be re- that is something that could be re- | :16:00. | :16:02. | |
that is something that could be re- examined. That has not fundamental. | :16:02. | :16:04. | |
examined. That has not fundamental. examined. That has not fundamental. | :16:04. | :16:05. | |
examined. That has not fundamental. I see a major problem as management. | :16:05. | :16:09. | |
I see a major problem as management. I see a major problem as management. | :16:09. | :16:10. | |
I see a major problem as management. We lack the talent. I am curious | :16:10. | :16:11. | |
We lack the talent. I am curious We lack the talent. I am curious | :16:11. | :16:12. | |
because you've got quite liberal because you've got quite liberal | :16:12. | :16:13. | |
because you've got quite liberal views on things like same-sex | :16:13. | :16:15. | |
views on things like same-sex views on things like same-sex | :16:15. | :16:17. | |
views on things like same-sex marriage, but how do you feel as a | :16:17. | :16:21. | |
marriage, but how do you feel as a marriage, but how do you feel as a | :16:21. | :16:22. | |
lay Catholic when Michael Sayers lay Catholic when Michael Sayers | :16:22. | :16:23. | |
lay Catholic when Michael Sayers lay Catholic when Michael Sayers | :16:23. | :16:25. | |
dog isn't going to change. That is dog isn't going to change. That is | :16:25. | :16:27. | |
dog isn't going to change. That is dog isn't going to change. That is | :16:27. | :16:31. | |
not what is going to happen. -- not what is going to happen. -- | :16:31. | :16:32. | |
dogma. Cardinal Manning talked dogma. Cardinal Manning talked | :16:32. | :16:34. | |
dogma. Cardinal Manning talked about inflexibility. That is what | :16:34. | :16:35. | |
about inflexibility. That is what about inflexibility. That is what | :16:35. | :16:37. | |
Michael likes. I think we should Michael likes. I think we should | :16:37. | :16:38. | |
Michael likes. I think we should discern the Times would puts us | :16:38. | :16:41. | |
discern the Times would puts us discern the Times would puts us | :16:41. | :16:43. | |
discern the Times would puts us into two camps. I say... These are | :16:43. | :16:45. | |
into two camps. I say... These are into two camps. I say... These are | :16:45. | :16:47. | |
promises, not fowls. This is not promises, not fowls. This is not | :16:47. | :16:48. | |
promises, not fowls. This is not promises, not fowls. This is not | :16:48. | :16:49. | |
dogma. It could be changed. Lots of dogma. It could be changed. Lots of | :16:49. | :16:50. | |
dogma. It could be changed. Lots of things could be changed which | :16:50. | :16:51. | |
things could be changed which things could be changed which | :16:51. | :16:52. | |
people don't think can be changed people don't think can be changed | :16:52. | :16:54. | |
people don't think can be changed because they like tradition. I like | :16:54. | :16:55. | |
because they like tradition. I like because they like tradition. I like | :16:55. | :16:56. | |
tradition as much as the next tradition as much as the next | :16:56. | :16:57. | |
tradition as much as the next tradition as much as the next | :16:57. | :16:58. | |
person but when it starts to damage person but when it starts to damage | :16:58. | :17:00. | |
person but when it starts to damage person but when it starts to damage | :17:00. | :17:01. | |
the church, I start to wonder... I the church, I start to wonder... I | :17:01. | :17:03. | |
understand the difference between understand the difference between | :17:03. | :17:04. | |
understand the difference between dogma and tradition, but I don't | :17:04. | :17:05. | |
dogma and tradition, but I don't dogma and tradition, but I don't | :17:05. | :17:06. | |
know we have to stick absolutely know we have to stick absolutely | :17:06. | :17:08. | |
know we have to stick absolutely know we have to stick absolutely | :17:08. | :17:09. | |
but -- to the letter of tradition but -- to the letter of tradition | :17:09. | :17:11. | |
but -- to the letter of tradition when the beauty of stability | :17:11. | :17:13. | |
when the beauty of stability when the beauty of stability | :17:13. | :17:16. | |
becomes ugly and the church starts becomes ugly and the church starts | :17:16. | :17:17. | |
becomes ugly and the church starts to implode. It doesn't apply to | :17:17. | :17:23. | |
to implode. It doesn't apply to whom sexuality. Cardinal Keith | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
whom sexuality. Cardinal Keith O'Brien himself implied priests | :17:27. | :17:33. | |
O'Brien himself implied priests O'Brien himself implied priests | :17:33. | :17:34. | |
could married. The point is could married. The point is | :17:34. | :17:35. | |
could married. The point is could married. The point is | :17:35. | :17:35. | |
homosexuality is a sin. And if they homosexuality is a sin. And if they | :17:35. | :17:36. | |
homosexuality is a sin. And if they homosexuality is a sin. And if they | :17:36. | :17:37. | |
are going to run a gone that and are going to run a gone that and | :17:37. | :17:38. | |
are going to run a gone that and are going to run a gone that and | :17:38. | :17:39. | |
are going to run a gone that and say it is no longer a sin, it is | :17:39. | :17:40. | |
say it is no longer a sin, it is say it is no longer a sin, it is | :17:40. | :17:41. | |
not going to happen. The way not going to happen. The way | :17:41. | :17:43. | |
not going to happen. The way Catholics in Scotland deal with | :17:43. | :17:44. | |
Catholics in Scotland deal with Catholics in Scotland deal with | :17:44. | :17:46. | |
homosexuals is a different thing. homosexuals is a different thing. | :17:46. | :17:48. | |
homosexuals is a different thing. The tone has been too strident, | :17:48. | :17:50. | |
The tone has been too strident, The tone has been too strident, | :17:50. | :17:51. | |
possibly wrong. To expect the possibly wrong. To expect the | :17:51. | :17:52. | |
possibly wrong. To expect the possibly wrong. To expect the | :17:52. | :17:52. | |
church to say they will knock that church to say they will knock that | :17:52. | :17:53. | |
church to say they will knock that church to say they will knock that | :17:53. | :17:54. | |
off the list of sins, it's not off the list of sins, it's not | :17:54. | :17:56. | |
off the list of sins, it's not going to happen. So, people will | :17:56. | :17:57. | |
going to happen. So, people will going to happen. So, people will | :17:57. | :17:59. | |
depart because if they don't think it is a | :17:59. | :18:00. | |
depart because if they don't think depart because if they don't think | :18:00. | :18:01. | |
it is a sin, it is difficult to it is a sin, it is difficult to | :18:01. | :18:01. | |
it is a sin, it is difficult to it is a sin, it is difficult to | :18:01. | :18:04. | |
remain in a church which bangs on remain in a church which bangs on | :18:04. | :18:07. | |
remain in a church which bangs on about it. Using such language that | :18:07. | :18:08. | |
about it. Using such language that about it. Using such language that | :18:08. | :18:09. | |
about it. Using such language that is where the division will come. | :18:09. | :18:10. | |
is where the division will come. is where the division will come. | :18:10. | :18:13. | |
is where the division will come. have run out of time. John, as you | :18:13. | :18:14. | |
have run out of time. John, as you have run out of time. John, as you | :18:14. | :18:17. | |
have run out of time. John, as you are an adviser to the Vatican, do | :18:17. | :18:18. | |
are an adviser to the Vatican, do are an adviser to the Vatican, do | :18:18. | :18:26. | |
you think there will be any I hope that there will be some | :18:26. | :18:27. | |
I hope that there will be some I hope that there will be some | :18:27. | :18:28. | |
I hope that there will be some change in the way the church orders | :18:28. | :18:30. | |
change in the way the church orders change in the way the church orders | :18:30. | :18:31. | |
itself but not in regard to itself but not in regard to | :18:31. | :18:33. | |
itself but not in regard to question of faith and morals. | :18:33. | :18:34. | |
question of faith and morals. question of faith and morals. | :18:34. | :18:39. | |
Now, Scotland's success or Now, Scotland's success or | :18:39. | :18:40. | |
Now, Scotland's success or otherwise as a centre for the | :18:40. | :18:41. | |
otherwise as a centre for the otherwise as a centre for the | :18:41. | :18:42. | |
creative industries is part of the creative industries is part of the | :18:42. | :18:44. | |
creative industries is part of the creative industries is part of the | :18:44. | :18:44. | |
great debate these days. As far as great debate these days. As far as | :18:44. | :18:45. | |
great debate these days. As far as television is concerned, much has | :18:45. | :18:46. | |
television is concerned, much has television is concerned, much has | :18:46. | :18:47. | |
been made of Denmark's recent been made of Denmark's recent | :18:47. | :18:48. | |
phenomenal record for producing phenomenal record for producing | :18:48. | :18:49. | |
phenomenal record for producing exportable TV, even if it needs | :18:49. | :18:50. | |
exportable TV, even if it needs exportable TV, even if it needs | :18:50. | :18:51. | |
subtitles in this and many other subtitles in this and many other | :18:51. | :18:52. | |
subtitles in this and many other countries. The Killing, The Bridge, | :18:52. | :18:52. | |
countries. The Killing, The Bridge, countries. The Killing, The Bridge, | :18:53. | :18:53. | |
countries. The Killing, The Bridge, and now Borgen, a story of the | :18:53. | :18:54. | |
and now Borgen, a story of the drama involved in political | :18:54. | :18:55. | |
drama involved in political drama involved in political | :18:55. | :18:56. | |
intrigue, are being watched across intrigue, are being watched across | :18:56. | :18:57. | |
intrigue, are being watched across the world. Could we learn from | :18:57. | :18:58. | |
the world. Could we learn from that? Our correspondent Raymond | :18:58. | :18:59. | |
that? Our correspondent Raymond that? Our correspondent Raymond | :18:59. | :19:00. | |
Buchanan has come back from Denmark Buchanan has come back from Denmark | :19:00. | :19:07. | |
with this report. with this report. | :19:07. | :19:09. | |
with this report. Politics is often dramatic. TV | :19:09. | :19:10. | |
Politics is often dramatic. TV Politics is often dramatic. TV | :19:10. | :19:14. | |
drama is rarely -- really about drama is rarely -- really about | :19:14. | :19:15. | |
drama is rarely -- really about politics. So, Borgen has been an | :19:15. | :19:17. | |
politics. So, Borgen has been an unlikely worldwide hit. 60 | :19:17. | :19:20. | |
unlikely worldwide hit. 60 unlikely worldwide hit. 60 | :19:20. | :19:22. | |
countries are following the public countries are following the public | :19:22. | :19:24. | |
countries are following the public and private turmoil of a female | :19:24. | :19:24. | |
and private turmoil of a female and private turmoil of a female | :19:24. | :19:27. | |
Prime Minister and her supporting Prime Minister and her supporting | :19:27. | :19:28. | |
Prime Minister and her supporting cast. Birgitte is played by this | :19:29. | :19:34. | |
cast. Birgitte is played by this cast. Birgitte is played by this | :19:34. | :19:35. | |
woman. Katrine Fonsmark is a woman. Katrine Fonsmark is a | :19:35. | :19:36. | |
woman. Katrine Fonsmark is a journalist reporting on the Prime | :19:36. | :19:38. | |
journalist reporting on the Prime journalist reporting on the Prime | :19:38. | :19:39. | |
Minister's troubles. We have done Minister's troubles. We have done | :19:39. | :19:40. | |
Minister's troubles. We have done crime shows before that have had | :19:40. | :19:41. | |
crime shows before that have had crime shows before that have had | :19:41. | :19:42. | |
crime shows before that have had some kind of life in Sweden and | :19:42. | :19:44. | |
some kind of life in Sweden and some kind of life in Sweden and | :19:44. | :19:45. | |
Norway and Germany but nobody Norway and Germany but nobody | :19:45. | :19:47. | |
Norway and Germany but nobody thought this would go anywhere | :19:47. | :19:49. | |
thought this would go anywhere thought this would go anywhere | :19:49. | :19:50. | |
besides Denmark. So it is very besides Denmark. So it is very | :19:50. | :19:52. | |
besides Denmark. So it is very strange, but we are pleased and | :19:52. | :19:53. | |
strange, but we are pleased and strange, but we are pleased and | :19:53. | :19:54. | |
strange, but we are pleased and proud that people have taken to it | :19:54. | :19:55. | |
proud that people have taken to it proud that people have taken to it | :19:55. | :19:57. | |
proud that people have taken to it like they have. The idea came from | :19:58. | :19:59. | |
like they have. The idea came from like they have. The idea came from | :19:59. | :19:59. | |
this man who believes politics can this man who believes politics can | :19:59. | :20:01. | |
this man who believes politics can make good television but the story | :20:01. | :20:02. | |
make good television but the story make good television but the story | :20:02. | :20:04. | |
needs to be compelling. That's why needs to be compelling. That's why | :20:04. | :20:05. | |
needs to be compelling. That's why needs to be compelling. That's why | :20:05. | :20:06. | |
he made the most powerful person in he made the most powerful person in | :20:06. | :20:08. | |
he made the most powerful person in he made the most powerful person in | :20:08. | :20:09. | |
the country a woman. I thought it the country a woman. I thought it | :20:09. | :20:13. | |
the country a woman. I thought it the country a woman. I thought it | :20:13. | :20:14. | |
would be more painful to watch a would be more painful to watch a | :20:14. | :20:15. | |
would be more painful to watch a would be more painful to watch a | :20:15. | :20:16. | |
woman lose all that that makes her woman lose all that that makes her | :20:16. | :20:19. | |
woman lose all that that makes her character round it and beautiful | :20:19. | :20:20. | |
character round it and beautiful character round it and beautiful | :20:20. | :20:21. | |
character round it and beautiful and her love life, her sex life, | :20:21. | :20:24. | |
and her love life, her sex life, and her love life, her sex life, | :20:24. | :20:25. | |
her children, family life. And she her children, family life. And she | :20:25. | :20:27. | |
her children, family life. And she her children, family life. And she | :20:27. | :20:28. | |
uses all of that. And I thought uses all of that. And I thought | :20:28. | :20:30. | |
uses all of that. And I thought uses all of that. And I thought | :20:30. | :20:31. | |
therefore we need a woman in that therefore we need a woman in that | :20:31. | :20:34. | |
therefore we need a woman in that chair. Because it would be much | :20:34. | :20:35. | |
chair. Because it would be much chair. Because it would be much | :20:36. | :20:37. | |
chair. Because it would be much more painful to watch. It would be | :20:37. | :20:38. | |
more painful to watch. It would be more painful to watch. It would be | :20:38. | :20:39. | |
a more moving experience. Do you a more moving experience. Do you | :20:39. | :20:41. | |
a more moving experience. Do you think that is the case for | :20:41. | :20:43. | |
think that is the case for politicians in real life? | :20:43. | :20:46. | |
politicians in real life? politicians in real life? | :20:46. | :20:48. | |
Definitely. And I think not only Definitely. And I think not only | :20:48. | :20:53. | |
Definitely. And I think not only for female politicians, but also... | :20:53. | :20:54. | |
for female politicians, but also... for female politicians, but also... | :20:54. | :20:58. | |
Women in big business, women with Women in big business, women with | :20:58. | :20:59. | |
Women in big business, women with big careers. Because they put such | :20:59. | :21:00. | |
big careers. Because they put such big careers. Because they put such | :21:00. | :21:02. | |
a strain on themselves because they a strain on themselves because they | :21:02. | :21:05. | |
a strain on themselves because they a strain on themselves because they | :21:05. | :21:06. | |
want to be good at everything. They want to be good at everything. They | :21:06. | :21:07. | |
want to be good at everything. They want to be multi-dimensional and | :21:07. | :21:10. | |
want to be multi-dimensional and want to be multi-dimensional and | :21:10. | :21:14. | |
they want to be... God-like, multi- they want to be... God-like, multi- | :21:15. | :21:16. | |
they want to be... God-like, multi- tasking beings. And I don't think | :21:16. | :21:17. | |
tasking beings. And I don't think tasking beings. And I don't think | :21:17. | :21:21. | |
men have ever been that ambitious. men have ever been that ambitious. | :21:21. | :21:24. | |
men have ever been that ambitious. Borgen is the latest hit the | :21:24. | :21:26. | |
Borgen is the latest hit the Denmark. Previous successes have | :21:26. | :21:32. | |
Denmark. Previous successes have Denmark. Previous successes have | :21:32. | :21:32. | |
been crime dramas. This was the been crime dramas. This was the | :21:32. | :21:35. | |
been crime dramas. This was the prime minister's office in Borgen. | :21:35. | :21:36. | |
prime minister's office in Borgen. prime minister's office in Borgen. | :21:36. | :21:36. | |
This company is publicly funded This company is publicly funded | :21:37. | :21:38. | |
This company is publicly funded This company is publicly funded | :21:38. | :21:41. | |
which is why they were able to make which is why they were able to make | :21:41. | :21:42. | |
Borgen. Would a commercial Borgen. Would a commercial | :21:42. | :21:45. | |
Borgen. Would a commercial broadcaster made Borgen? No.Why | :21:45. | :21:46. | |
broadcaster made Borgen? No.Why broadcaster made Borgen? No.Why | :21:46. | :21:48. | |
broadcaster made Borgen? No.Why not? It is too risky for them.Why | :21:48. | :21:51. | |
not? It is too risky for them.Why not? It is too risky for them.Why | :21:51. | :21:53. | |
not? It is too risky for them.Why risky? You are always when you have | :21:53. | :21:55. | |
risky? You are always when you have risky? You are always when you have | :21:55. | :21:56. | |
risky? You are always when you have to commercial hat on, you will go | :21:56. | :21:57. | |
to commercial hat on, you will go to commercial hat on, you will go | :21:57. | :21:59. | |
to commercial hat on, you will go for how the stuff works. Borgen was | :21:59. | :22:01. | |
for how the stuff works. Borgen was for how the stuff works. Borgen was | :22:01. | :22:02. | |
for how the stuff works. Borgen was a risky. It has even been suggested | :22:02. | :22:04. | |
a risky. It has even been suggested a risky. It has even been suggested | :22:04. | :22:05. | |
politicians have taken ideas from politicians have taken ideas from | :22:05. | :22:06. | |
politicians have taken ideas from politicians have taken ideas from | :22:06. | :22:07. | |
the show and turned them into their the show and turned them into their | :22:07. | :22:09. | |
the show and turned them into their the show and turned them into their | :22:09. | :22:12. | |
own policies. A case of real life own policies. A case of real life | :22:12. | :22:13. | |
own policies. A case of real life imitating art. Actually, there was | :22:13. | :22:18. | |
imitating art. Actually, there was imitating art. Actually, there was | :22:18. | :22:18. | |
a Conservative politician, wanted a a Conservative politician, wanted a | :22:19. | :22:21. | |
a Conservative politician, wanted a new law put through in Parliament | :22:21. | :22:23. | |
new law put through in Parliament new law put through in Parliament | :22:23. | :22:24. | |
because of something she sought in because of something she sought in | :22:24. | :22:26. | |
because of something she sought in the series. Which is interesting! | :22:26. | :22:29. | |
the series. Which is interesting! the series. Which is interesting! | :22:29. | :22:30. | |
the series. Which is interesting! That was the first... That was a | :22:31. | :22:31. | |
That was the first... That was a That was the first... That was a | :22:31. | :22:33. | |
law of legalising prostitution in law of legalising prostitution in | :22:33. | :22:35. | |
law of legalising prostitution in law of legalising prostitution in | :22:35. | :22:36. | |
Denmark. It may be one of Denmark's Denmark. It may be one of Denmark's | :22:36. | :22:37. | |
Denmark. It may be one of Denmark's most successful exports but a | :22:37. | :22:39. | |
most successful exports but a most successful exports but a | :22:39. | :22:39. | |
programme about its politics will programme about its politics will | :22:39. | :22:41. | |
programme about its politics will programme about its politics will | :22:41. | :22:42. | |
soon come to an end. The third and soon come to an end. The third and | :22:42. | :22:44. | |
soon come to an end. The third and final series of Borgen will be | :22:44. | :22:45. | |
final series of Borgen will be final series of Borgen will be | :22:46. | :22:47. | |
broadcast here later this month. broadcast here later this month. | :22:47. | :22:48. | |
broadcast here later this month. broadcast here later this month. | :22:48. | :22:50. | |
Time for a quick look at the front Time for a quick look at the front | :22:50. | :22:54. | |
Time for a quick look at the front pages. The Scotsman. RBS targets | :22:54. | :22:56. | |
pages. The Scotsman. RBS targets pages. The Scotsman. RBS targets | :22:56. | :22:57. | |
next year to start sale of next year to start sale of | :22:57. | :23:07. | |
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taxpayers' bank shares. The It is about the soldier, Manning. | :23:12. | :23:13. | |
It is about the soldier, Manning. It is about the soldier, Manning. | :23:13. | :23:14. |