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Sound and fury on the streets, but after more than a month of protest, | :00:13. | :00:20. | |
the Greek parliament votes for the austerity programme wanted by the | :00:20. | :00:23. | |
country's backers. Right behind me it's all happening, this is the | :00:24. | :00:27. | |
image of the European Union today. Talk about timing, guess who | :00:27. | :00:32. | |
demands a 5% increase in its budget, yes, it is the European Commission. | :00:32. | :00:36. | |
This man is on the Home Office banned list, how come the Border | :00:36. | :00:39. | |
Agency let him in and then let him slip again. | :00:39. | :00:45. | |
On the banks of the Clyde, they are about to pass judgment on the | :00:45. | :00:47. | |
Labour Party. Even if Ed Miliband's party does | :00:47. | :00:53. | |
scrape home here tomorrow, it doesn't mean an end to Labour's | :00:53. | :00:57. | |
serious problems here in Scotland, following the trouncing by the SNP | :00:57. | :01:03. | |
in the Holyrood elections last month. | :01:03. | :01:06. | |
You what?! You don't agree with that? | :01:06. | :01:10. | |
Is the home advantage in sport really just testimony to the power | :01:10. | :01:20. | |
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Greece's politicians have to vote again tomorrow for the terms of the | :01:25. | :01:29. | |
loans they have taken to be satisfied. And then that's only the | :01:29. | :01:33. | |
start of the austerity programme demanded. But the first hurdle has | :01:34. | :01:37. | |
been cleared, and the likelihood that Greece will simply trouser the | :01:37. | :01:41. | |
bailout it has already had, and leap out of the euro has receded a | :01:42. | :01:45. | |
bit. To judge from the scenes on the streets today, there is a very | :01:45. | :01:50. | |
long way yet to go. First, let's hear Paul Mason's | :01:50. | :01:55. | |
report from Athens. They knew it would be a day to | :01:55. | :02:01. | |
remember. The end of an economic era, the moment when street protest | :02:01. | :02:07. | |
meets the cold reality of parliamentary votes. The communist- | :02:07. | :02:13. | |
led trade union came on in the same old way, but into a world where the | :02:13. | :02:20. | |
old certainties are vanishing. Rights which have been there in the | :02:20. | :02:26. | |
last 40 years will vanish overnight. In the private sector, collective | :02:27. | :02:31. | |
bargaining agreements will be wiped out, the taxation is already at an | :02:31. | :02:35. | |
incredible level. It will be serial destitution, basically. | :02:35. | :02:40. | |
Soon, there were thousands in the square that fronts the parliament, | :02:40. | :02:45. | |
waiting for the crucial vote. As the vote came, tension rose. And | :02:45. | :02:55. | |
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then this. What had been a peaceful protest would not turn violent. And | :02:58. | :03:06. | |
thousands of people fled. We make no money, they always increase the | :03:06. | :03:13. | |
taxes, they selling the country to the bankers. In this building, the | :03:13. | :03:18. | |
Greek parliament, and they have the Greek police, paid by the Greek | :03:18. | :03:22. | |
people, to help them sell the country to the bankers. | :03:22. | :03:27. | |
In the square, thousands of people stayed, and fought, and the | :03:27. | :03:37. | |
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fighting became intense. Inside the parliament, Prime | :03:39. | :03:46. | |
Minister Papandreou still fighting for a majority that has become | :03:46. | :03:49. | |
wafer thin, and issued this warning. TRANSLATION: The Greek people might | :03:49. | :03:54. | |
go through a hard time and they are experiencing a hard time, but the | :03:54. | :03:56. | |
Greek people don't want this Government or programme to fail, if | :03:56. | :04:01. | |
this happens, Greece will fail. But in the small streets outside | :04:01. | :04:06. | |
were tens of thousands of protestors had been coralled, amid | :04:06. | :04:12. | |
the tear ga, the mood was different. - tear gas, the mood was different. | :04:12. | :04:18. | |
Can Greece take the pain? As in practically, I mean, look around, | :04:18. | :04:24. | |
man, look around. Absolutely not. It is very deep down. I mean the | :04:24. | :04:30. | |
economy is deep down, it is demolished. It is a dictatorship | :04:30. | :04:33. | |
afterall, we have had dictatorships before. One. It is a democracy, | :04:33. | :04:38. | |
they have all been voted for, why a dictatorship, all these | :04:38. | :04:41. | |
politicians? Come on you are being so rhetoric. This is not a | :04:41. | :04:45. | |
democracy. We will not stop. don't stop. No, they must stop. The | :04:45. | :04:49. | |
Government must stop. How will you make them stop? With strikes and | :04:49. | :04:53. | |
demonstrations, everything. With the squares. We will come here, | :04:53. | :04:59. | |
we will not stop. What's happening? But the violence wasn't stopping | :04:59. | :05:03. | |
either. For many here the legitimacy of the whole political | :05:03. | :05:08. | |
system is now at stake. Are you a British station. OK, there is a | :05:08. | :05:12. | |
group of riot police coming down, they are spraying us with chemicals, | :05:12. | :05:16. | |
we are peaceful, if anything, we just want this Government, this | :05:16. | :05:20. | |
fascist Government to get out of the way. | :05:20. | :05:25. | |
As the fighting spread into the side streets, just yards away, | :05:25. | :05:34. | |
people gathered in the cafes, to watch the austerity vote go through. | :05:34. | :05:39. | |
Vote passed, 155 for, 138 against. But outside, there are millions | :05:39. | :05:43. | |
against. Not just the left, but the middle-classes, who are supposed to | :05:44. | :05:53. | |
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be the backbone of Greek democracy. And so, 3.50pm, typical Greek cafe, | :05:54. | :05:58. | |
people watching the vote. On split screen, the riot. Just behind us | :05:59. | :06:07. | |
the riot is happening. This is the image of the European Union today. | :06:07. | :06:13. | |
Official reports say 47 people have been hospitalised, 29 arrested, 192 | :06:13. | :06:17. | |
treated for breathing problems. The biggest casualty is consent. In no | :06:17. | :06:22. | |
European country is the gap between politicians and the people so | :06:22. | :06:31. | |
obvious, widespread, and bitter. Paul Mason joins us now live from | :06:31. | :06:37. | |
Athens. What is happening? Well, there is supported addic rioting | :06:37. | :06:45. | |
still going on. - sporadic rioting still going on. Not a single | :06:45. | :06:49. | |
politician of any note can leave their own secure accommodation to | :06:49. | :06:54. | |
come and join us. It is a little bit chaotic. The key thing is, the | :06:54. | :06:58. | |
austerity package has been passed by the parliament. It is no longer | :06:58. | :07:01. | |
a maybe, it is a fact. Tomorrow the parliament will pass the execution | :07:01. | :07:06. | |
law that will turn this into a series of actions, for individual | :07:06. | :07:10. | |
ministries, if you have lent Greece money, or if your pension fund has, | :07:10. | :07:14. | |
or your country, that is the good news. The bad news is, it has been | :07:14. | :07:18. | |
passed in the teeth of such viscerally felt anger. Come on, | :07:18. | :07:22. | |
Paul, it was hardly the entire population of Athens on the streets, | :07:22. | :07:26. | |
was it, and certainly not the entire population of Greece. But if | :07:26. | :07:30. | |
people are, as you say, in such numbers losing faith, where does | :07:30. | :07:37. | |
that lead? There are a lot of people out, the worry is, as you | :07:37. | :07:42. | |
saw in my report, if you are worrying about strategic issues, it | :07:42. | :07:46. | |
is losing the middle-class, it is losing the people who are the small | :07:46. | :07:51. | |
shop owner, in a lot of peripheral Europe the pain will be felt by the | :07:51. | :07:55. | |
public sector, and you know, pensioners. Here pain is being felt | :07:55. | :07:59. | |
by small business people, and they just don't feel that either their | :07:59. | :08:05. | |
voices are being heard, or that they can take it. I put this to one | :08:05. | :08:09. | |
of my contact, one of the key political commentators in this | :08:09. | :08:14. | |
country. Are we seeing n this loss of faith, some kind of a threat to | :08:14. | :08:18. | |
democracy? No, I don't think so that democracy | :08:18. | :08:26. | |
is threatened. Mob rule is a different thing. Until now in | :08:26. | :08:31. | |
Greece, it happens in a non-nasty way. If things turn nasty, if you | :08:31. | :08:41. | |
have mob rule, if you have people who are petty bourgwoi, or who are | :08:41. | :08:48. | |
barely - borgoise, or barely near the poverty line, and they get | :08:48. | :08:55. | |
furious, nobody has ever seen this play acted out, they have seen it | :08:55. | :08:59. | |
in Germany of the 20 and 30s. is your assessment, do you think | :09:00. | :09:05. | |
they will make the plan stick? There is two parts of the answer | :09:05. | :09:11. | |
there. The first question is, can the plan, as envisaged, actually be | :09:11. | :09:15. | |
implemented. Greece has all kinds of checks and balances, whether it | :09:15. | :09:19. | |
is the unions, talking about privatising the airport, or the | :09:19. | :09:22. | |
railways or the energy companies, the energy company is on strike. | :09:22. | :09:26. | |
Who will buy it, who will buy it with a work force like that. All | :09:26. | :09:33. | |
week I have been here, the words of the original boss of Fiat, in 1919 | :09:33. | :09:36. | |
have been going round my head. He said, in the face of resistance | :09:36. | :09:40. | |
like this, you can't build anything with 25,000 enemies, speaking of | :09:40. | :09:43. | |
the Fiat work force. How are you going to build anything, how are | :09:43. | :09:46. | |
you going to do anything in a country where so many people are up | :09:46. | :09:50. | |
in arms against what you are doing. That's the first problem. The | :09:50. | :09:55. | |
second problem is does it dig Greece out of the mire to do it? | :09:55. | :10:01. | |
Many economists believe it doesn't. Has the euro, briefly, has the euro | :10:01. | :10:08. | |
been saved? For day, yes. For a week, probably. But the question | :10:08. | :10:15. | |
remains, Greece is 2.5% of the euro zone's GDP, how did a country so | :10:16. | :10:20. | |
small get the currency in such a big mess. The question has to go | :10:20. | :10:24. | |
back to the people who run the eurozone, you tell me who that is, | :10:24. | :10:30. | |
who we ask that question of. People here ask it. They just r just say, | :10:30. | :10:34. | |
look, the eurozone would not be in such trouble if we had decisive | :10:34. | :10:40. | |
leadership and some idea of what the plan is to dig Greece, nearly | :10:40. | :10:45. | |
bankrupt, at the best of times, out of this hole. We still don't really | :10:45. | :10:50. | |
have that. The pain in Greece is extreme | :10:50. | :10:53. | |
example of the discomfort being felt right across most of Europe, | :10:53. | :10:57. | |
there is one place they feel no pain at all, the European | :10:57. | :11:00. | |
Commission announced today that it badly needs, not to make economies, | :11:00. | :11:08. | |
but to be given much more money. Lots of it, 115 billion euros over | :11:08. | :11:12. | |
seven years, that is about another 5% or so after inflation. They also | :11:12. | :11:17. | |
announced a radical reshaping of the rebate system, including the | :11:17. | :11:20. | |
much fought over British rebate. The commission also set out plans | :11:21. | :11:26. | |
for the raising of so-called own resources, or EU taxes, levied on | :11:26. | :11:30. | |
things like financial transactions or an EU VAT. Speaking about the | :11:30. | :11:34. | |
rebate system today, the commission President, Jose Manuel Barroso, | :11:35. | :11:39. | |
stressed that the EU was founded on sal darity, which meant - | :11:39. | :11:43. | |
solidarity, which meant richer member states would accept paying | :11:43. | :11:47. | |
for more the good of those in the union who were less well off. | :11:47. | :11:50. | |
TRANSLATION: We will suggest a system that is far easier to | :11:50. | :11:52. | |
understand, fairer, more transparent, in the new system | :11:52. | :11:56. | |
there is no room for thinking about getting your fair share of your | :11:56. | :12:01. | |
money back. Solidarity implies that those relatively more wealthy and | :12:01. | :12:06. | |
prosperous, will contribute more in relative terms. We asked the | :12:06. | :12:09. | |
European Commission for an interview, they were much too | :12:09. | :12:18. | |
businessy. But we are lucky enough to be joined by the Conservative MP, | :12:18. | :12:23. | |
George Eustace, and another European MP. Is this some sort of | :12:23. | :12:28. | |
jock? No, it is a proposal on how we think we should have money until | :12:28. | :12:32. | |
2020, it is not a joke, it is a serious proposal. At a time when | :12:32. | :12:36. | |
every other Government in Europe is cutting expenditure? Yes, but let | :12:36. | :12:40. | |
me be very frank, at the same time this is a budget that is looking | :12:40. | :12:45. | |
for the future, we are looking at a 2020 target. Where do we want to be | :12:45. | :12:48. | |
as Europe as a whole. Do we want a strong Europe there, acting | :12:48. | :12:51. | |
together, or do we want to have special, all the different | :12:51. | :12:56. | |
countries, like the UK, the Netherland, whatever, and be on our | :12:56. | :13:00. | |
own in the world. That is the big question, and where do we want to | :13:00. | :13:03. | |
go until 2020, this is the proposal that is looking for the longer term. | :13:03. | :13:06. | |
We are not discussing tomorrow, we are discussing the day after | :13:06. | :13:15. | |
tomorrow. This is serious business. A nobble ambition? I think the | :13:15. | :13:17. | |
European Commission is just in complete denial about the whole | :13:17. | :13:21. | |
pickle that the EU and the eurozone in particular is in at the moment. | :13:21. | :13:26. | |
I just don't think this will happen, Britain does have a veto on this, I | :13:26. | :13:29. | |
would be absolutely amazed if we were to accept a long-term budget | :13:29. | :13:33. | |
like this, at such an increase. France and Germany are saying that | :13:33. | :13:36. | |
this is also unacceptable. We are at the point now where really | :13:36. | :13:42. | |
things have moved beyond where the commission think it has, nation | :13:42. | :13:48. | |
states are increasingly restless about the problems we see in the | :13:48. | :13:53. | |
eurozone and and the things that go on. Will the proposal that the EU | :13:53. | :13:57. | |
will be able to levy its own taxes get anywhere? That particular | :13:57. | :14:02. | |
proposal, thanks to the legislation that this Government has brought in | :14:02. | :14:05. | |
would trigger a referendum in Britain. Unless the British people | :14:05. | :14:09. | |
vote for a referendum to vote for Brussels to set taxs in the UK, | :14:09. | :14:12. | |
that won't get through either. I don't think the UK Government would | :14:12. | :14:22. | |
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accept that. I think the tide was turned for those who want deeper | :14:23. | :14:31. | |
integration. You explain that this is an ambition over a noble period. | :14:31. | :14:36. | |
But the EU will have 13 years of continuous, real terms, budget | :14:36. | :14:39. | |
increases. You can't really believe the people of Europe are going to | :14:39. | :14:48. | |
put up with that? It depends where you pay the money for. Let me start | :14:48. | :14:52. | |
by saying that the budget for the EU, the increase over the last few | :14:52. | :14:57. | |
years by 30%, for the other member states it is an average of 60%. | :14:57. | :15:01. | |
That is puting it into perspective. Where do we spend the money? If you | :15:01. | :15:05. | |
ask all the member states, Europe has to do more on energy, as far as | :15:05. | :15:08. | |
I remember this Conservative Government is claiming that they | :15:08. | :15:14. | |
are the greenest Government ever. Well, excuse me, you need a lot of | :15:14. | :15:18. | |
infrastructure if you want to have your renewables. Who will pay for | :15:18. | :15:21. | |
the infrastructure where you can connect all the different member | :15:21. | :15:25. | |
states of the EU, it has to be by European money. That is one. | :15:26. | :15:32. | |
Secondly, we need for moreen policy, look at what is going on in Libya - | :15:32. | :15:38. | |
for moreen policy, look at what is going on in Benghazi, we are | :15:38. | :15:45. | |
opening an office in Libya. Looking at the bank crisis, the crisis in | :15:45. | :15:49. | |
Europe, the crisis in Greece, it started with an economic crisis in | :15:49. | :15:56. | |
the banking system. So now, we want to have a better supervision. Who | :15:56. | :16:00. | |
will pay this supervision, because if European supervise, they have to | :16:00. | :16:04. | |
be paid from a European budget. They are all topics where everyone | :16:04. | :16:08. | |
is claiming more money. Excuse me t has to come from somewhere. Perhaps | :16:08. | :16:10. | |
I can explain, the answer to this question is the European Union | :16:11. | :16:15. | |
should not be spending that money. All the issues that he has just | :16:15. | :16:18. | |
outlined are issues where nation states should be taking the lead, | :16:18. | :16:22. | |
whether it is dealing with the banking industry or promoting green | :16:22. | :16:26. | |
energy. These are all areas where increasingly we need national | :16:26. | :16:29. | |
Governments to take the lead. Yes to co-operate and co-ordinate. | :16:29. | :16:34. | |
the national Governments: The EU is failing institutions, it has been | :16:34. | :16:40. | |
failing for far too long. It may have a future in the 2 1st century | :16:40. | :16:44. | |
t needs to be streamlined? Come on? I always hear from the | :16:45. | :16:48. | |
Conservatives that the EU has failed. But at the same time they | :16:48. | :16:51. | |
are asking for more renewables, how do they transport, that how do we | :16:52. | :16:57. | |
want to get it from Norway or the Netherlands or the North Sea wind | :16:57. | :17:02. | |
energy of course the EU has failed, why on banking systems. You can | :17:02. | :17:04. | |
have 27 member states controlling their own banks, they have been | :17:04. | :17:07. | |
doing that for years, what has failed is the banking control | :17:07. | :17:12. | |
system. Now we want to do that at a European level. You want a | :17:12. | :17:17. | |
financial transactions tax as well in the EU? I think all the people | :17:18. | :17:22. | |
want that banks are starting to pay for all the rubbish that they have | :17:22. | :17:28. | |
been spreading around so far. pay the EU? And there again. Let me | :17:28. | :17:34. | |
be very clear, all the banks are operating all over Europe, UK banks | :17:34. | :17:38. | |
are in Greece, vested a long time ago. If you look at all the - | :17:38. | :17:43. | |
invested a long time ago. If you look at all the banks, they are | :17:43. | :17:52. | |
across the borders and European wide. Let's let you defend British | :17:52. | :17:55. | |
banks? For years what has gone on is the European Union has used its | :17:55. | :18:00. | |
own failure as a reason for having further, deeper integration and for | :18:00. | :18:05. | |
the EU to have even more powers. What people increasingly are | :18:05. | :18:08. | |
realising and national parliaments across the EU are realising, that | :18:08. | :18:13. | |
the answer is not to take more power but to take the powers away | :18:13. | :18:17. | |
from it, and to streamline it. To have it do fewer things and let it | :18:17. | :18:20. | |
do those better. And let nation states take responsibilities, there | :18:20. | :18:25. | |
is no need for the EU to be in certain areas skpwr. Do you think | :18:25. | :18:31. | |
it is necessary to have an 8 - you think it is right to have an | :18:31. | :18:35. | |
85% increase in the entertainment budget for the European Parliament? | :18:35. | :18:39. | |
This is a proposal by the commission. I want to talk about | :18:39. | :18:42. | |
big number, if, as with the Conservatives, we have a deal, | :18:42. | :18:45. | |
there is another increase in research going into nuclear fusion, | :18:45. | :18:50. | |
it is in total 2.7 billion, OK, as a green politician, I'm very much | :18:50. | :18:54. | |
against that, can I negotiate with the Conservatives to have a cut | :18:55. | :18:58. | |
over there? There is also increased spending on space policies, because, | :18:58. | :19:02. | |
the member states are asking the EU to invest in space policy, I am | :19:02. | :19:08. | |
ready to negotiate a cut over there. I'm not saying I'm defending | :19:08. | :19:12. | |
everything. I want to discuss cuts, let me be frank, if we are | :19:12. | :19:16. | |
discussing what we are paying for the European Parliament and the | :19:16. | :19:20. | |
exact numbers there, it is all tiny numbers if you compare it to | :19:20. | :19:25. | |
nuclear fusion, to space relations. There I want to discuss the cuts. | :19:25. | :19:29. | |
The way to cut the spending is for the EU not to be involved in these | :19:29. | :19:32. | |
areas and let nation states take their own lead. | :19:32. | :19:36. | |
Thank you very much.? The UK Border Agency better have a good story to | :19:36. | :19:40. | |
tell, some how they managed to let into this country man who was | :19:41. | :19:45. | |
banned. He didn't sneak in, he arrived under his own name, and his | :19:45. | :19:48. | |
visit announced in advance. He sauntered through immigration | :19:48. | :19:51. | |
control, and went on to address public meetings, before, eventually, | :19:51. | :19:55. | |
the police caught up with him and sent him to the detention centre | :19:55. | :20:02. | |
where he's tonight. The stable door has finally been bolted. We have | :20:02. | :20:11. | |
been on the trail of cleric Sheikh Raed Salah, he entered the UK with | :20:11. | :20:17. | |
consumate ease, despite the Home Office having banned him. Opponents | :20:17. | :20:22. | |
claim Sheikh Raed Salah is a supporter of Hamas, holds anti- | :20:22. | :20:26. | |
semetic views, he denies this. He's a leader of the Islamic movement in | :20:26. | :20:36. | |
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Israel. He is said to have This is man with a proven track | :20:41. | :20:45. | |
record, he's widely reported in the Israeli and international press for | :20:45. | :20:49. | |
making a series of anti-semetic statements. Last month he did five | :20:49. | :20:53. | |
months in prison for assaulting a police officer. Obviously he has | :20:53. | :21:03. | |
not taken up Gandhi's methods of non-violent resistance. | :21:03. | :21:07. | |
There is a cross-party agency that advises the UK Border Agency about | :21:07. | :21:11. | |
foreign nationals coming to Britain. Last week the Home Secretary was | :21:11. | :21:15. | |
advised to ban him. Three days later the Home Secretary signed the | :21:15. | :21:20. | |
banning order, two days after that Salah arrived at Heathrow. Once the | :21:20. | :21:23. | |
Home Secretary had decided to exclude Salah, the UK Border Agency | :21:23. | :21:26. | |
should have passed on information to immigration officers here at | :21:26. | :21:30. | |
Heathrow, and to consulate staff in Israel. Apparently this didn't | :21:30. | :21:35. | |
happen in time. So on Saturday Salah simply turned up at Heathrow | :21:35. | :21:36. | |
and walked through immigration control. | :21:36. | :21:41. | |
He had meetings lined up with three parliamentarians and a public | :21:41. | :21:46. | |
engagement, talking about the Arab Spring, at this venue in the | :21:46. | :21:51. | |
capital. Sheikh Raed Salah finally arrived here at the Conwy Hall on | :21:51. | :21:57. | |
Monday for a prearranged talk. Unknown to him, these premises were | :21:57. | :22:01. | |
watch bid the met police. Iran sponsored TV was there covering the | :22:01. | :22:06. | |
event. In all likelihood police surveillance officers were in the | :22:06. | :22:10. | |
audience, there were no arrests. There are conflicting reports about | :22:10. | :22:13. | |
why not. There were discussions about legality because the Home | :22:13. | :22:17. | |
Secretary's order had not been served, but Government sources say | :22:17. | :22:20. | |
it is a police mistake. There are all strange stories about what | :22:20. | :22:24. | |
happened on the night. It was clear he was quite open, and the | :22:24. | :22:28. | |
organisers were open about having him here, and were proud to show he | :22:28. | :22:32. | |
was here. That concerned us, that actually on an operational level | :22:32. | :22:37. | |
there are issues that need to be tightened up. He was free to go on | :22:37. | :22:40. | |
to the next stage of his journey. This time heading north from London | :22:40. | :22:45. | |
to Leicester for a prearranged meeting. Last night addressed an | :22:45. | :22:52. | |
audience of 1,000 in Leicester. Finally at 11.00pm he was arrested | :22:52. | :22:59. | |
and taken to Paddington Green station. His legal advisers today | :22:59. | :23:06. | |
said to deport such an important Palestinian protestor was against | :23:06. | :23:10. | |
the principles of democracy. A lot of this was unnecessary, if Sheikh | :23:10. | :23:14. | |
Raed Salah was on an exclusion list, this should have been made known to | :23:14. | :23:17. | |
him some time ago, it would have given him the opportunity tole cha | :23:17. | :23:21. | |
eng it, and find out why he was on the - challenge it, and find out | :23:21. | :23:26. | |
why he was on the list, no reason has been given to him about why | :23:26. | :23:32. | |
he's on the banned list, of people deemed not conducive to the public | :23:32. | :23:37. | |
benefit. This is not the first time someone of this type has slipped | :23:37. | :23:42. | |
through the immigration net. We were told of this desperate- | :23:42. | :23:52. | |
:23:52. | :23:57. | ||
sounding e-mail from a Government It is a specific concern when | :23:57. | :24:03. | |
someone turns up at Heathrow, the major treent point of the UK, and | :24:03. | :24:09. | |
the UK Border Agency seem unable to stop someone the Home Office says | :24:09. | :24:13. | |
is unwelcome. We need to wait a while to find out exactly what went | :24:13. | :24:16. | |
wrong, it is of grave concern that the Government agency, tasked by | :24:17. | :24:20. | |
the Government, and the Home Secretary specifically, to turn | :24:20. | :24:26. | |
around undesirables is unable to do this. The UK BA are going on strike | :24:26. | :24:30. | |
tomorrow F it is the case that you can have radical preachers like | :24:30. | :24:33. | |
this, entering the country, after the Home Office has made very clear | :24:33. | :24:37. | |
they shouldn't be entering the country. It does beg the question | :24:37. | :24:41. | |
as to who else has been let into the country. The Home Office has | :24:41. | :24:47. | |
laufplged an internal inquiry into - launched an internal inquiry into | :24:47. | :24:52. | |
the Salah case. It was thought the message about Sheikh Raed Salah's | :24:52. | :24:58. | |
status was passed through the communecation lines in good time. - | :24:58. | :25:03. | |
communecation lines in good time. We asked the UK Border Agency to | :25:03. | :25:13. | |
:25:13. | :25:14. | ||
talk to us but they had other plans. What happens when these people turn | :25:14. | :25:18. | |
up and the Border Agency say enjoy your stay? I would say this was a | :25:18. | :25:23. | |
scene from the Pink Panther, if I was being uncharitable. Once the | :25:23. | :25:26. | |
Home Secretary reach as banning order, those papers should be | :25:26. | :25:29. | |
served on the person. Because we are very clear the Government | :25:29. | :25:33. | |
believes in secure borders this man should never have entered the UK. | :25:33. | :25:38. | |
What I think has happened, and this is only anecdotal, is that the name | :25:38. | :25:43. | |
did not come up on the computer system, and what UK Border Agency | :25:43. | :25:48. | |
staff have said is they are actually given pieces of paper to | :25:48. | :25:51. | |
remember people's names as they walk through. Anyone who comes | :25:51. | :25:54. | |
through at Heathrow will know there are thousands upon thousands of | :25:54. | :25:58. | |
people coming through. If indeed the computer system does not flag | :25:58. | :26:02. | |
up the name, that is why he has entered into the country, and | :26:02. | :26:06. | |
goodness knows how many other people, who we are wanting to be | :26:06. | :26:10. | |
cautious about, who are on that list, the watch list, have entered | :26:10. | :26:13. | |
as well. The Home Secretary is quite right to have an inquiry, she | :26:13. | :26:17. | |
must be hopping mad about this. She would have expected her own agency | :26:17. | :26:21. | |
to have followed her intructions. What has happened, he has arrived | :26:21. | :26:26. | |
in this country, he has been to Birmingham, he has come to London, | :26:26. | :26:29. | |
they publicised the fact he was going to be in the House of Commons | :26:29. | :26:34. | |
today. Invite bid three of your colleagues? Indeed, he was invited | :26:34. | :26:39. | |
by three colleagues. Three Labour Party colleagues? Nars for them, I | :26:39. | :26:42. | |
have not invited them - that is a matter for them, I have not invited | :26:42. | :26:48. | |
them. Was that wise? You will have to ask them. Your own parliamentary | :26:48. | :26:50. | |
colleagues, invite manning banned from this country to come into | :26:50. | :26:55. | |
Westminster, to a- a man banned from this country to come into | :26:55. | :26:58. | |
Westminster and address them? didn't know he was being banned, | :26:58. | :27:02. | |
coming into the country. If it was publicised he was banned, I would | :27:02. | :27:06. | |
understand why they had invited him. Nobody knew he was banned. He | :27:06. | :27:10. | |
didn't know, the Israeli authorities didn't know, Heathrow | :27:10. | :27:16. | |
Airport Airport didn't know, the Home Secretary must have known she | :27:16. | :27:19. | |
signs the pieces of paper. I don't think you could hold the three | :27:19. | :27:23. | |
Labour Party MPs responsible for a complete shambles. They are | :27:23. | :27:27. | |
responsible for issuing the invitation, of course, the fact | :27:27. | :27:31. | |
that the Home Secretary can remember the pieces of paper she | :27:31. | :27:35. | |
signed but doesn't tell people what she has signed. Is that what | :27:35. | :27:40. | |
happened, or is it some sort of computer malfunction. It is a bit | :27:40. | :27:46. | |
of a shambles, I'm glad there will be an appearing before the select | :27:46. | :27:49. | |
committee, and I will had an opportunity to probe hero bustly | :27:49. | :27:53. | |
about the situation. The case has - her robustly about the situation. | :27:53. | :27:58. | |
The case shows there are flaws in the system. We need to make sure | :27:58. | :28:02. | |
the borders are secure, and when she signs an order it is | :28:02. | :28:06. | |
implemented, and someone isn't allowed to travel to Birmingham, go | :28:06. | :28:09. | |
to Leicester and travel to the House of Commons without being | :28:10. | :28:12. | |
arrested. They are voting on the banks of the | :28:12. | :28:15. | |
Clyde tomorrow, the constituency was once in the heart of Labour | :28:15. | :28:21. | |
Scotland, the sort of place you could have stuck a red rosette on a | :28:21. | :28:24. | |
wrought iron lampost and see it dug up and triumphantly carried to | :28:24. | :28:28. | |
Westminster. After the Scots nationalists managed to win an | :28:28. | :28:32. | |
overall majority in the Edinburgh parliament, nobody is so sure any | :28:32. | :28:36. | |
more. By-elections are the time when politicians of all parties | :28:36. | :28:43. | |
catch side of a stocky man with stockings and sandals and say, they | :28:43. | :28:53. | |
:28:53. | :29:00. | ||
are sure that is Michael Crick, REPORTER: Mr Prescott? Oh blimey, | :29:00. | :29:07. | |
what has brought you up here. I thought we were having a nice day. | :29:07. | :29:12. | |
Five smiling expectant face, all hoping tomorrow sees their | :29:12. | :29:17. | |
political breakthrough. They hope to add to their success in May. | :29:17. | :29:22. | |
Sunbathing outside their HQ, they may have looked a touch relaxed. | :29:22. | :29:26. | |
Working hard. You don't look like you have been working hard, you | :29:26. | :29:30. | |
look like you are being very complacent? I'm sun burnt because I | :29:30. | :29:36. | |
have been walking around. You are more sun burnt that his T-shirt. In | :29:36. | :29:42. | |
the Clyde, on the firth of Clyde, is on the sunny day in the right | :29:42. | :29:46. | |
spot, one of Labour's more attractive seats. The strong wind | :29:46. | :29:50. | |
challenged the docking crew to the utmost, they succeeded with no more | :29:51. | :29:59. | |
damage to the ship than a scrape of paint. It has a proud past in | :29:59. | :30:03. | |
shipbuilding. Greenoch was where Cunard ships were refitted. Jobs | :30:03. | :30:08. | |
are scarce now. This was one of 13 seats Labour managed to defend in | :30:08. | :30:12. | |
May's Scottish elections. Their man, Ian MacKenzie, admits his party | :30:12. | :30:16. | |
must change here, and stop taking people for granted. We didn't work | :30:16. | :30:22. | |
as hard for their vote as we are doing now. Is it about how hard you | :30:22. | :30:25. | |
work for the vote or is it about the policies? It is a mixture of | :30:25. | :30:29. | |
both. You have to work hard for the vote and have the policies, and | :30:29. | :30:36. | |
meet the people on the street. big challenger, in what's normally | :30:36. | :30:40. | |
a solid Labour seat is Anne McLaughlin? We are getting a | :30:40. | :30:43. | |
fantastic response, people think it is time for a change, and I think | :30:43. | :30:48. | |
they are right. Are you saying you could nick this one? I don't know, | :30:48. | :30:52. | |
definitely optimistic about it. Last night she was joined by Sheikh | :30:52. | :30:58. | |
Raed Salah, making his fifth visit in a contest where independence | :30:58. | :31:03. | |
doesn't feature in SNP literature. You don't mention independent | :31:03. | :31:10. | |
anywhere in the leaflets? Everybody in the SNP knows we are the party | :31:10. | :31:14. | |
of independence. Why not mention it in the leaflet, are you hoping | :31:14. | :31:19. | |
Labour voters will forget you are for that? Labour voters do believe | :31:19. | :31:24. | |
in independence, one the great tasks to persuade them to vote for | :31:24. | :31:30. | |
the SNP. Why not mention it in the literature, this is a chance to win | :31:30. | :31:32. | |
the referendum? The referendum will be in the campaign. | :31:32. | :31:39. | |
The Tories have no hope at all, adding to their solitary Scottish | :31:39. | :31:44. | |
MP, David Wilson has to say otherwise. The two big issues I | :31:44. | :31:48. | |
have found is jobs and independence. As far as that people got a bit of | :31:48. | :31:53. | |
a fright in May with what happened with SNP getting control in | :31:53. | :31:56. | |
Holyrood, people are worried about that. I know people who voted SNP | :31:56. | :32:00. | |
now who have come back to the Conservatives. The Liberal | :32:00. | :32:04. | |
Democrats Sophie Bridger is 20, the youngest by-election candidate from | :32:04. | :32:12. | |
a major party since 1832. But they won't suffer another humiliation | :32:12. | :32:16. | |
like Barnsley, where they came sixth. Simply because there are | :32:16. | :32:21. | |
only five candidates here. We had a disappointing election, a few weeks | :32:21. | :32:24. | |
ago, that is why it is a great opportunity for us. I don't think | :32:24. | :32:27. | |
we managed to get the messages across in the election campaign, | :32:27. | :32:29. | |
previously, what we are really doing in Government in Westminster. | :32:29. | :32:32. | |
That is why this has been such a positive opportunity for to us show | :32:32. | :32:37. | |
that. Hope to be overtake the Liberal | :32:37. | :32:45. | |
Democrats, Mitch Sorbie, he looks like a nightclub owner. It is | :32:46. | :32:50. | |
probably between Labour and the SNP? You might find people with | :32:50. | :32:55. | |
sense voting UKIP. Let's forget that. Let's talk sense, shall we, | :32:55. | :32:59. | |
if it is between Labour and the SNP, surely, who of those two would you | :32:59. | :33:04. | |
say is the front runner here? have to look with 14,000 majority | :33:04. | :33:12. | |
last time, Labour are fairly safe. If I had my spaniel with a Labour | :33:12. | :33:19. | |
rosette, I think my spaniel might get in. | :33:19. | :33:24. | |
We local shipyard, today, the final day of campaigning, Labour rolled | :33:24. | :33:29. | |
out John Prescott. The party's answer to Sheikh Raed Salah. | :33:29. | :33:39. | |
:33:39. | :33:39. | ||
Do you have a sneaking admiration for Sheikh Raed Salah, you and he | :33:39. | :33:46. | |
are like - the party's answer to Alex Salmond. Do you have a | :33:46. | :33:51. | |
sneaking admiration for Alex Salmond? Does Labour need its own | :33:51. | :33:56. | |
Alex Salmond? Labour needs all to fight all sorts of battles. They | :33:56. | :34:00. | |
have to persuasively put the case, I do it my way and they their way, | :34:00. | :34:06. | |
Labour is a combination of all those. People in the Labour and SNP | :34:06. | :34:09. | |
camp think tomorrow's result should be really close. It's likely to be | :34:10. | :34:17. | |
a lot closer than the 14,400 majority bequeathed by the late | :34:17. | :34:22. | |
Labour MP, David Cairns. Even if Ed Miliband's party does crepe home | :34:22. | :34:26. | |
here tomorrow, it doesn't mean an end to Labour's serious problems | :34:26. | :34:31. | |
here in Scotland. Following the trouncing by the SNP, in the | :34:31. | :34:38. | |
Holyrood elections, last month. You what? You don't agree with any | :34:38. | :34:45. | |
of that? I didn't hear it! Andy Murray went through to the | :34:45. | :34:48. | |
semifinals at Wimbledon to the delight of fans. They are providing | :34:48. | :34:52. | |
a rare treat of what counts as a home win. In team sports in | :34:52. | :34:55. | |
particular the advantage of playing at home is taken as read, in the | :34:55. | :35:00. | |
Premier League, for example there are said to be three home wins for | :35:00. | :35:03. | |
two away wins. What is the home advantage. The authors of | :35:03. | :35:06. | |
Scorecasting, a new American book about sports, believe they have | :35:06. | :35:12. | |
worked it out. It is no secret that steams are | :35:12. | :35:16. | |
more likely to win on home turf. Take Chelsea they didn't suffer a | :35:16. | :35:20. | |
single Premier League home defeat for over three years, under Jose | :35:20. | :35:25. | |
Mourinho, but loss ten away games in the same period. And it's true | :35:25. | :35:33. | |
for all team sport. Rugby, cricket, baseball, ice hockey, you name it, | :35:33. | :35:37. | |
there is a definite home advantage. But what is it? Is it the support | :35:37. | :35:42. | |
of the fans? Is it because the home team knows the ground? Is it | :35:42. | :35:47. | |
because they don't have to make the journey to a distant venue. The two | :35:47. | :35:51. | |
Americans say it is none of those things. They conclude that the home | :35:51. | :35:56. | |
advantage is down to one thing and one thing only, the referees, or | :35:56. | :36:00. | |
umpires, as they are known in most American sports. It is not so much | :36:00. | :36:05. | |
that teams play much better at home, as that, for whatever reason, | :36:05. | :36:12. | |
officials want to appease the home crowd. With us now is the sports | :36:12. | :36:18. | |
journalist, Jon Wertheim, one of the authors of Scorecasting, and | :36:18. | :36:25. | |
Prabal Rana, who rather - David Runciman, who rather doubts the | :36:25. | :36:30. | |
methodology. Explain why you think it is the referee? Athletes perform | :36:30. | :36:34. | |
better at home because they are being cheered, that is hard to bear | :36:34. | :36:39. | |
out, there is no evidence that they shoot baskets better. There is very | :36:39. | :36:43. | |
little evidence of performing better at home. What we did find is | :36:43. | :36:47. | |
with officials there is a huge discrepancy, home versus away calls, | :36:48. | :36:51. | |
the bigger the crowd the bigger the discrepancy. It is true in all | :36:51. | :36:56. | |
sports. The closer the game, the closer the discrepancy and the | :36:56. | :37:00. | |
closer the fans are to the action. It is a different data. The | :37:00. | :37:06. | |
official bias is driving the home advantage. You think what happens | :37:06. | :37:11. | |
when Manchester United plays at home, there is something in it? | :37:11. | :37:15. | |
tend to overlook the cases when the referees make a bad decision. They | :37:15. | :37:19. | |
favour the big teams. What is weird about home advantage it is true for | :37:19. | :37:27. | |
all teams, good, bad teams, big and small teams. John has shown | :37:27. | :37:32. | |
referees react to crowds getting on their back. Play in one of the | :37:32. | :37:35. | |
lower Scottish leison your team will do better at home. There is an | :37:35. | :37:40. | |
iron law, it is to do with team not individual sports. My feeling is it | :37:40. | :37:45. | |
is to do with the trust in the team. The referees have a small part to | :37:45. | :37:50. | |
play. Did you look at the possible explanations? We did, the distance | :37:50. | :37:55. | |
travelled, that doesn't turnt out to be the case at all. It is an | :37:55. | :38:00. | |
intriguing thesis, how can one quantify trust. That is pretty hard | :38:00. | :38:05. | |
to study. The issue in a team sport, if you know the official also give | :38:05. | :38:09. | |
you these calls, maybe that increases the trust. This is the | :38:09. | :38:12. | |
method question, because there is a temptation to explain the things, | :38:12. | :38:17. | |
because we can quantify them. There are some things about home | :38:17. | :38:20. | |
advantage that just aren't quantifyable. If you rule those | :38:20. | :38:23. | |
things out you overexplain some of the easier things. In individual | :38:23. | :38:27. | |
sports you can break them down into nuggets and baseball is another | :38:27. | :38:33. | |
example. Then you can get the explanations, football, for such a | :38:33. | :38:38. | |
simple game is mind bobling complex when you break it down. Nobody has | :38:38. | :38:43. | |
done that already. You have alluded toe the fact that this theory | :38:44. | :38:49. | |
asupplies in team sports, not in individual sports. Doesn't that | :38:49. | :38:53. | |
suggest to you there may be something about the idea of the | :38:53. | :38:58. | |
relationship between the team and the fan that is may be at work? | :38:58. | :39:02. | |
Their home games in individual sports, Andy Murray might play at | :39:02. | :39:07. | |
Wimbledon and cheer, it is not a home game like Manchester United | :39:07. | :39:17. | |
playing in their own stadium. another collective effort, where | :39:17. | :39:23. | |
another team game playing mopgs fans? It is hard to study all those | :39:23. | :39:26. | |
impacts. I agree with John, the fans isn't the explanation, it is | :39:26. | :39:30. | |
very hard to measure that. But it could be that it is the familiarity | :39:30. | :39:34. | |
thing, when you are at home, it is your territory, you feel | :39:34. | :39:38. | |
comfortable. Actually, the fact that it applies for teams that | :39:38. | :39:43. | |
don't have many fans as well as teams that have thousands of fans, | :39:43. | :39:47. | |
suggest it is something to do with your ground, not your fans. | :39:47. | :39:51. | |
looked at it as a percentage of capacity, not the number of fans. | :39:52. | :39:56. | |
In Italy there were riots, so the football team played in an empty | :39:57. | :40:01. | |
stadium, they wouldn't let the fans in, there was no crowd there, the | :40:01. | :40:08. | |
official bias went down. The passing and the goals stayed | :40:08. | :40:13. | |
constant. Home advantage disappeared when the crowds | :40:13. | :40:20. | |
disappeared. That could be Italy! Not everything is explainable by | :40:20. | :40:25. | |
statistical analysis. Then you won't write books! There is nearly | :40:25. | :40:29. | |
other variabilitys, but the data on this in every sport there is this | :40:29. | :40:33. | |
difference, there is a discrepancy in penalties and fouls in | :40:33. | :40:37. | |
basketball. That tells us there is something going on. It is true, the | :40:37. | :40:41. | |
referees are clearly biased, the question is that what decides what | :40:41. | :40:48. | |
wins the game, he hasn't shown that. This sort of analysis is increase | :40:48. | :40:52. | |
league common. For economics and a view of the world. That human | :40:52. | :40:58. | |
behaviour is down to statistical analysis. What is wrong with it? | :40:58. | :41:02. | |
You can go too far, what you can end up is looking for the | :41:02. | :41:05. | |
explanation that is fit the numbers, that means you leave out all sorts | :41:05. | :41:09. | |
of things, it doesn't mean we should trust our eyes but have a | :41:09. | :41:13. | |
broader view that could explain things than what is logistically | :41:13. | :41:18. | |
analysing. I will see it when I believe it. I think the other thing. | :41:18. | :41:23. | |
He's essentially saying there are things beyond science? Absolutely. | :41:23. | :41:27. | |
Beyond economics? I think in the last ten years between the Internet, | :41:27. | :41:32. | |
I think we have had this prove live racial of data, it is foolish not | :41:32. | :41:37. | |
to - proliferation of data, it is foolish not to look into it. It is | :41:37. | :41:40. | |
wrong to assume it explains everything, it explains a lot more | :41:40. | :41:50. | |
:41:50. | :41:51. | ||
than we thought, not everything. What are the other things that we | :41:51. | :41:57. | |
ought to be fact torg in. Things like trust and team spirit, home | :41:57. | :42:02. | |
advantage is an iron law, it is an amazing thing, home advantage, | :42:02. | :42:09. | |
whoever they are, it applies. Something about being in a team is | :42:09. | :42:13. | |
hard to explain it unless you are in one. In the US, the ultimate | :42:13. | :42:18. | |
team sport is football. All these military analogies. American | :42:18. | :42:26. | |
football. Sorry, American football, NFL, it doesn't have a high winning | :42:26. | :42:31. | |
statistic, where as basketball can have a much more advantage? It is | :42:31. | :42:36. | |
about a team sport, passing continuing sequences of play, | :42:36. | :42:41. | |
sports like American football break down the sequences and the trust is | :42:41. | :42:44. | |
dissipated. It is football, basketball, where the game flows. | :42:44. | :42:49. | |
It is the game that is flow have team advantage. While you are both | :42:49. | :42:53. | |
here, you are here specifically to go to Wimbledon, will Andy Murray | :42:53. | :43:00. | |
take the home title? He's the home player. | :43:00. | :43:04. | |
We will see what happens, he has two tough matches left. Thank you | :43:04. | :43:14. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 42 seconds | :43:14. | :43:57. | |
both very much. Now tomorrow That's enough for now. Since we | :43:57. | :44:01. | |
have been on air, Richard Burton has been in touch, he wanted to | :44:01. | :44:06. | |
make clear he was due to speak rat a meeting in Westminster with | :44:06. | :44:11. | |
Sheikh Raed Salah, - speaking at a meeting with Sheikh Raed Salah, but | :44:11. | :44:16. | |
he wasn't involved with him. Tomorrow we have the most famous | :44:16. | :44:26. | |
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person to come out of Dumfries, Pretty whily outside tonight with | :44:51. | :44:55. | |
largely clear skies. Another day where the sun will shine in most | :44:55. | :44:58. | |
places. There will also be a fair few showers to chase around. | :44:59. | :45:03. | |
Particularly by the afternoon, across parts of north-east England. | :45:03. | :45:06. | |
Intense downpours, east and South Yorkshire as well as Lincolnshire, | :45:06. | :45:10. | |
with the risk of a flash of lightning and a rumble of thunder. | :45:10. | :45:15. | |
The showers will be lighter and scattered across the south-east. | :45:15. | :45:19. | |
The south west of England will see showers mostly in the morning, by | :45:19. | :45:22. | |
the afternoon, many places here fine and bright with spells of | :45:22. | :45:26. | |
sunshine. The same goes across Wales. Some showers in the morning, | :45:26. | :45:31. | |
most places having a fine end to the day. Scattering of thours will | :45:31. | :45:35. | |
come and go through Northern Ireland. Temperatures still likely | :45:35. | :45:41. | |
to reach the high teens. Showers in Scotland, dying out in the Glasgow | :45:41. | :45:46. | |
area. For eastern Scotland heavy showers for the afternoon. There is | :45:46. | :45:51. | |
still a chance for showers on Friday, a dry and fine day. | :45:51. | :45:54. | |
Temperature as degree or so higher. Still some cloud bubbling up | :45:54. | :45:58. | |
through the day, still the small chance of a shower or two across | :45:58. | :46:03. |