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Tonight, Scotland Yard in turmoil, another resignation at the top of | :00:10. | :00:15. | |
the Met, is trust in the police the biggest casualty of the phone | :00:15. | :00:20. | |
hacking scandal? Assistant Commissioner Yates | :00:20. | :00:30. | |
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follows his boss's example and quits, more in anger. There is ill- | :00:30. | :00:34. | |
informed and malicious gossip being published about me personally. | :00:34. | :00:38. | |
Another bizarre twist, Sean Hoare, the original News of the World | :00:38. | :00:42. | |
whistle-blower is found dead. While David Cameron cuts short his trade | :00:42. | :00:47. | |
trip to Africa, could the crisis cause the stop of his Premiership. | :00:47. | :00:51. | |
This happened on my watch and I'm determined to get to the bottom of | :00:51. | :00:54. | |
it. We will discuss the damage he's suffering and the state of the Met, | :00:54. | :00:58. | |
and discuss the committee hearing with Rupert Murdoch tomorrow. The | :00:58. | :01:03. | |
United States declared last month their drones had stopped killing | :01:03. | :01:13. | |
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Pakistani civilians, we have new Good evening, is Britain's biggest | :01:14. | :01:18. | |
and most important police force merely incompetent, or corrupt or | :01:18. | :01:21. | |
possibly both. You can forgive people for wondering. Public | :01:21. | :01:25. | |
confidence in police is said to be rocking after two high-profile | :01:25. | :01:31. | |
resignations. The Met Police chief saying he took a free stay at a | :01:31. | :01:34. | |
health spa, and botched investigation into phone hacking | :01:34. | :01:38. | |
and news that a former senior executive of News of the World was | :01:38. | :01:43. | |
working for the Met at the same time. How far can we trust the yard | :01:43. | :01:48. | |
and the people running it? Reporters would meet some of the | :01:48. | :01:53. | |
Met's most senior officers in this wine bar, just a stone's throw from | :01:53. | :01:57. | |
New Scotland Yard. They were, we are told, on drinking | :01:57. | :02:00. | |
terms, something which made some other police officers deeply | :02:00. | :02:04. | |
uncomfortable. But the latest revelations in this fast-moving | :02:04. | :02:07. | |
story, appeared to show that relationships went even deeper than | :02:07. | :02:11. | |
this. Journalists, of course, will always | :02:11. | :02:14. | |
want to meet serving police officers for information, it is | :02:14. | :02:17. | |
part of the job. For the police, though, it is all about degree and | :02:17. | :02:21. | |
judgment. I have been told by a former, very senior police source, | :02:21. | :02:26. | |
that in this bar, in the West End there used to be regular meetings | :02:26. | :02:29. | |
between News of the World journalists, and Paul Stephenson | :02:29. | :02:33. | |
and John Yates and the Met's head of media, to discuss stories. I'm | :02:33. | :02:37. | |
told the relationships were incredibly close. | :02:37. | :02:41. | |
The former commissioner met with Rupert Murdoch's executives 18 | :02:41. | :02:45. | |
times in four years. There are suggestions tonight that some other | :02:45. | :02:51. | |
relationships were much closer than this. The $6 4,000 question is was | :02:51. | :02:57. | |
there any element of the relationship between the police and | :02:57. | :03:01. | |
News of the World that some how impeded them from pursuing the | :03:01. | :03:06. | |
phone hacking inquiry. That is the question. The man who decided in | :03:07. | :03:11. | |
2009 not to reopen the hacking inquiry after spending eight hours | :03:11. | :03:15. | |
reviewing 11,000 pages of evidence. Has come under relentless pressure | :03:15. | :03:18. | |
to resign. Earlier today he was threatened with suspension, so he | :03:19. | :03:24. | |
jumped. We in the police service are truly accountable. Those of us | :03:24. | :03:30. | |
who take on the most difficult jobs clearly have to stand up and be | :03:30. | :03:34. | |
counted when things go wrong. However, when we get things wrong, | :03:35. | :03:41. | |
we say so. We try to put them right. As I have said very recently, it is | :03:41. | :03:44. | |
matter of great personal regret that those potentially affected by | :03:44. | :03:51. | |
phone hacking were not dealt with appropriately. Sadly, there | :03:51. | :03:57. | |
continues to be a huge amount of inaccurate, ill-informed, and on | :03:57. | :04:01. | |
occasion, down right malicious gossip being published about me | :04:01. | :04:04. | |
personally. I think once he decided, without properly going through the | :04:04. | :04:08. | |
evidence, that there was no case to answer, really the writing was on | :04:08. | :04:12. | |
the wall, and there was no way back. You cannot have somebody in charge | :04:12. | :04:15. | |
of counter terrorism with that sort of attitude. I think it is shame, | :04:15. | :04:19. | |
because he has done some very good work, there is no question he was | :04:19. | :04:23. | |
an outstanding officer. He made mistakes, and he had to pay the | :04:23. | :04:28. | |
price. This is the man at the centre of the controversy, Wallis, | :04:28. | :04:32. | |
former deputy editor of News of the World, arrested last week. The Met | :04:32. | :04:39. | |
paid him �1,000 day, for 24 days media consultancy last year. He | :04:39. | :04:43. | |
worked closely with commissioner John Yates, whose committee vetted | :04:43. | :04:48. | |
his application. He was also adviser to the luxury Champneys | :04:48. | :04:52. | |
health spar, and it emerged that the former police commissioner, | :04:52. | :04:56. | |
Paul Stephenson, accepted thousands of pounds of free hospitality at | :04:56. | :05:01. | |
the club. He denied any propriety, and said the company is owned by | :05:01. | :05:04. | |
family friend and the stay was declared. That wasn't enough to | :05:04. | :05:09. | |
save him, the commissioner resigned less than 24 hours ago. What was a | :05:09. | :05:13. | |
commissioner from the police doing accepting such a high-level | :05:13. | :05:17. | |
incentive or high-level gift. But ultimately the police should be | :05:18. | :05:23. | |
putting themselves out of reach of any such allegation or inference. I | :05:23. | :05:28. | |
think you know, incredibly naive, the head of the police shouldn't be | :05:28. | :05:33. | |
so naive. What I find very odd is the Met had to hire any outside | :05:33. | :05:39. | |
people to help with publicity, when they had him and 69 press officers, | :05:39. | :05:43. | |
it almost beggers belief that you would needed a decisional support | :05:43. | :05:47. | |
in those circumstances. A shrew of advice has followed, the Home | :05:47. | :05:52. | |
Secretary has asked the police inspectorate to see if the media | :05:52. | :05:55. | |
has had undue influence over the police, and there will be a new | :05:55. | :06:05. | |
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Press Complaints Commission report The Mayor of London said the two | :06:29. | :06:34. | |
top officers' resignations had been inevitable. There is absolutely | :06:34. | :06:38. | |
nothing proven against the probity or the professionalism of either | :06:38. | :06:44. | |
man. But, in both case, we have to recognise that the Nexus of | :06:44. | :06:47. | |
questions about the relationship between the Met and the News of the | :06:47. | :06:52. | |
World, was likely to be distracting to both officers in the run up to | :06:52. | :06:56. | |
the Olympic games. Two chiefs gone in two days, the | :06:56. | :07:00. | |
Met is in turmoil tonight. But for some inside the organisation, and | :07:00. | :07:04. | |
for others, who have recently left, this is an opportunity to break the | :07:04. | :07:10. | |
ties with the Murdoch press. John Yates has had his critics, angry | :07:10. | :07:14. | |
about his closeness to News of the World's people, and the new broom | :07:14. | :07:19. | |
cannot be vigorous enough. I'm sure that there are very good and very | :07:19. | :07:24. | |
honest officers within the Met, to the highest level, that wanted to | :07:24. | :07:29. | |
see this cleared out, wanted to get rid of those people who they | :07:29. | :07:33. | |
thought perhaps were too close to the press. It seems for the police, | :07:33. | :07:37. | |
that embarrassing fact about their relationship with News of the World | :07:37. | :07:44. | |
are emerging daily. Tonight, the Met confirmed that a senior | :07:44. | :07:48. | |
journalist on the paper was employed for a while as a Ukrainian | :07:48. | :07:53. | |
interpretor, with access to sensitive material. Critics say the | :07:54. | :07:57. | |
scandal is overplayed with his opponents. But that argument seems | :07:57. | :08:03. | |
far fetched in the light of evidence such as this. | :08:03. | :08:10. | |
I'm joined by previous mayor, Ken Livingstone, and Boles, and Sir | :08:10. | :08:13. | |
Chris Fox. This is pretty catastrophic for the | :08:13. | :08:19. | |
Met, to lose such senior officers, who were very highly regarded in | :08:19. | :08:23. | |
the profession, whatever mistakes they might have made? It certainly | :08:23. | :08:27. | |
is, at a time when the Met is under a lot of pressure, particularly to | :08:27. | :08:31. | |
lose Paul, who I have the highest regard for, it is a tragedy. You | :08:31. | :08:34. | |
hear the mayor actually saying, there is nothing proven against him | :08:34. | :08:41. | |
in any way, and it just seems rather sad and rather, a very toxic | :08:41. | :08:45. | |
situation to deal with. That is his basic problem, I think. Given that | :08:45. | :08:49. | |
it is very toxic, and given we don't know where it ends, actually, | :08:49. | :08:54. | |
is there any reason for the public to have full confidence in the | :08:54. | :09:00. | |
Metropolitan Police tonight? There are 30-40,000 officers in the | :09:00. | :09:04. | |
Metropolitan Police, we are talking about a handful of officers here, | :09:04. | :09:07. | |
although some senior ones. I think the public know that the vast | :09:07. | :09:10. | |
majority of officers are getting on with their job. Indeed, when you | :09:11. | :09:15. | |
look at some of the things that are alleged and talked up, I think John | :09:15. | :09:20. | |
Yates used the word "gossiped", when you see some of those things, | :09:20. | :09:23. | |
when they are seen in a proper investigative way, and balanced | :09:23. | :09:26. | |
against the time those decisions were made, and balanced against | :09:26. | :09:30. | |
what was happening in the rest of the environment, it may not looks a | :09:30. | :09:34. | |
it does now. So I just feel that it is all one way traffic at the | :09:34. | :09:38. | |
moment. That must be exceedingly frustrating for the senior people | :09:38. | :09:42. | |
in the Met. When you were Mayor of London, Ken Livingstone, why didn't | :09:42. | :09:48. | |
you see some of it coming? There was no evidence of it, this arises | :09:48. | :09:55. | |
from the Guardian expose say in 2009. There was closeness between | :09:55. | :09:58. | |
officers and News of the World back to when you were the mayor? | :09:59. | :10:04. | |
looks back many decades, that wasn't an issue. Unlike the current | :10:04. | :10:08. | |
mayor I did a press conference every week, nobody from the BBC or | :10:08. | :10:11. | |
the Guardian came along and said there is more to this than meets | :10:11. | :10:15. | |
the eye. We saw hacking into the Royal Family, and in 2007, the | :10:15. | :10:18. | |
people guilty went to prison. At that stage nobody came to me and | :10:19. | :10:23. | |
said we think there is much more to this. Had they done so I would have | :10:23. | :10:27. | |
made certain it was investigated. Wasn't your relationship with News | :10:27. | :10:31. | |
of the World too close, you wrote columns for the Sun, you did do t | :10:31. | :10:37. | |
you must have been reasonably close. You also spent �350,000 of money on | :10:37. | :10:46. | |
the PR company run by Matthew Freud, the husband of a Murdoch. We looked | :10:46. | :10:50. | |
for marketing company and they were the most successful bid. They | :10:50. | :10:54. | |
happened to be connected to the Murdoch family? You simply can't | :10:54. | :10:57. | |
get away from it, Rupert Murdoch phoned the four editors of his | :10:57. | :11:02. | |
papers in Britain, just before the last mayoral election, to make | :11:02. | :11:07. | |
certain they were endorsing Boris Johnson, I think I must be doing | :11:07. | :11:10. | |
something right if Rupert Murdoch intervenes to oppose my election. | :11:10. | :11:16. | |
You had to use out of all the PR companies on planet earth you had | :11:16. | :11:21. | |
to use a Murdoch connected one? They were a very good one, we got | :11:21. | :11:26. | |
�21 million investment from China after those offices opened. Boris | :11:26. | :11:33. | |
Johnson talks about the nexus, the guy working for News of the World | :11:33. | :11:36. | |
as a translator for News of the World and Scotland Yard at the same | :11:36. | :11:39. | |
time. We have Neil Wallis's daughter and so on, and so on. How | :11:39. | :11:43. | |
far does it go? I don't know, this is something the various different | :11:43. | :11:47. | |
inquiries launched will have to get to the bottom of. There was a | :11:47. | :11:51. | |
culture in which this was normal. It wasn't just a few bad apples | :11:51. | :11:56. | |
doing bad things. If it had been that it would be less worrying. It | :11:56. | :11:59. | |
was a culture where this seemed fine, and people who were good | :11:59. | :12:02. | |
people and police officers, thought it was normal to have a lunch with | :12:02. | :12:06. | |
a journalist, and maybe take a bit of money for something. That was | :12:06. | :12:10. | |
wrong? It was wrong, that is where we have to root out the whole thing | :12:10. | :12:16. | |
not a few individuals. Why did Boris Johnson when some of it came | :12:16. | :12:21. | |
up said it was codswallop, there was a degree of complacency in | :12:21. | :12:24. | |
London too? The whole political class have underestimated this for | :12:24. | :12:27. | |
a very long time. Frankly, we were all in the business of trying to | :12:27. | :12:31. | |
win the approval of various newspapers and various journalists | :12:31. | :12:35. | |
and editors and even proprietors, and as the Prime Minister has said | :12:35. | :12:39. | |
we are all at fault here, Boris is not excluded interest that, nor is | :12:39. | :12:44. | |
he the only one. Sir Chris Fox, do you worry there will be more | :12:44. | :12:48. | |
resignations from the Met over this, these two were at the top of the | :12:48. | :12:52. | |
tree. A lot of people were feeding them manufactures which turned out | :12:52. | :12:55. | |
to be rubbish? I don't know, I don't know enough about it, there | :12:56. | :12:59. | |
hasn't been a proper investigation, that worries me more than anything. | :12:59. | :13:02. | |
People are being forced into resignation positions before | :13:02. | :13:06. | |
anybody has had a proper cold investigative look. I mean, hearing | :13:06. | :13:09. | |
that some of the nonsense that has been spoken, for example, if you | :13:09. | :13:13. | |
are the commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, you are | :13:13. | :13:16. | |
constantly under media spotlight, you are a target for Fleet Street | :13:16. | :13:20. | |
or Wapping, as it is, a target for international press, it is | :13:20. | :13:24. | |
absolutely quite normal for you to want the best strategic advice you | :13:24. | :13:31. | |
can get, and what better than from an editor from a big title. So you | :13:31. | :13:35. | |
are going to have to involve yourselves at the top of the media | :13:35. | :13:41. | |
world, otherwise you will not survive t has been proven you won't | :13:41. | :13:45. | |
survive. You have to be able to play the game, and you have to be | :13:45. | :13:50. | |
able to deal in information which means that it is not about giving | :13:50. | :13:53. | |
information, it is about make sure that you are providing the | :13:53. | :13:56. | |
information which is keeping the media satisfied. | :13:56. | :14:01. | |
It maybe so, but you are also the head of the most prestigious police | :14:01. | :14:04. | |
force in this country and if you have somebody who is working for | :14:04. | :14:07. | |
you, who works for an organisation, or worked for an organisation which | :14:07. | :14:12. | |
is under investigation, surely you must smell a rat there, there is | :14:12. | :14:16. | |
something wrong. All these people who resigned, none of them did | :14:16. | :14:19. | |
anything wrong, Rebekah Brooks didn't do anything wrong, Andy | :14:19. | :14:22. | |
Coulson didn't do anything wrong, the police officers didn't do | :14:23. | :14:26. | |
anything wrong, why have they all gone? If we wait the until the | :14:26. | :14:29. | |
investigation was done, we might know the answer to. That the bottom | :14:29. | :14:34. | |
of this for me, whenever the police actually do take action, one of the | :14:34. | :14:36. | |
tactics of the people they take action against is to start | :14:36. | :14:40. | |
complaining about them. It happens at the very lowest level, the | :14:40. | :14:43. | |
contables on the street know about it, they have complaints made. | :14:43. | :14:47. | |
There is a system in place for those complaints to be investigated, | :14:47. | :14:50. | |
coldly, and factually decided. That is what should have happened in | :14:51. | :14:53. | |
this case. The Metropolitan Police authority should have investigated | :14:53. | :14:58. | |
it, they should have waited for that. And then come to a conclusion. | :14:58. | :15:02. | |
But the actual hysteria that has generated round a story like this, | :15:02. | :15:05. | |
leads people into a position where they have no choice. If he this | :15:05. | :15:10. | |
want to continue to investigate this, and be accepted as truthful | :15:10. | :15:14. | |
and honest investigators, they have to resign. Because the atmosphere | :15:14. | :15:21. | |
is such that no-one gives them a chance to do that. Let me asks you | :15:21. | :15:23. | |
two, you are both intimately involved in the running of London, | :15:24. | :15:28. | |
do you think we might come to regret this, will you sleep more | :15:28. | :15:30. | |
easily tonight knowing that two people, tasked with the security of | :15:30. | :15:35. | |
the Olympic games, and dealing with terrorism, have gone from the Met? | :15:35. | :15:38. | |
There was nothing good about these people going. The only one I have | :15:39. | :15:42. | |
had dealings with was Paul Stephenson, and I thought he was a | :15:42. | :15:46. | |
remarkable man, one of those police officers who automatically inspires | :15:46. | :15:49. | |
confidence. As he himself said, he reached the conclusion that he | :15:49. | :15:53. | |
could no longer command public confidence, as this thing ran and | :15:53. | :15:57. | |
ran. In probably one of the most challenging years for London | :15:57. | :16:01. | |
security. It was a conclusion he drew. Do you think we will regret | :16:01. | :16:10. | |
it? I don't, because there are very talented officers there, Cressida | :16:10. | :16:14. | |
has taken on the role Yates had. And you have a deputy commissioner | :16:14. | :16:18. | |
embedded in awful this. These two people have had to go, they went | :16:19. | :16:22. | |
because they were asked to look into this, they failed to do it. | :16:22. | :16:26. | |
Were they lied to by junior officers, in way skaist case they | :16:26. | :16:29. | |
have to be cleaned out. If it is simply they were naive and | :16:29. | :16:33. | |
accepting there is nothing in there, and been there and told that by | :16:33. | :16:36. | |
junior officers, they have a real complaint. They have gone, but the | :16:36. | :16:39. | |
Prime Minister, who was warned about Andy Coulson, and mateor of | :16:39. | :16:44. | |
London, who was warned a year ago by Labour members there was | :16:44. | :16:48. | |
something wrong, they stay in place. Now the myriad of new developments | :16:48. | :16:51. | |
and strange twists to this story are taxings everyone following it, | :16:51. | :16:55. | |
there was another example tonight with the death of the News of the | :16:55. | :16:58. | |
World, who blew the whistle on phone hacking, Sean Hoare. Police | :16:58. | :17:00. | |
say the circumstances are not suspicious. | :17:00. | :17:06. | |
You better remind us of who Sean Hoare was? He was a very colourful | :17:06. | :17:10. | |
character, a showbiz reporter on News of the World, successful at | :17:10. | :17:13. | |
his job, until he was dismissed with drink and drug problems some | :17:13. | :17:20. | |
time ago. All the people I speak to speak of him as a very talented | :17:20. | :17:23. | |
showbiz reporter. Who had a multitude of resources and very | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
good at his job. As you mentioned in the introduction, the police in | :17:27. | :17:32. | |
Hertfordshire are not confirming his identity, but it is widely | :17:32. | :17:35. | |
reported it is Sean Hoare found death in Watford. The circumstances | :17:35. | :17:39. | |
are said to be unexplained, but not necessarily suspicious. But what we | :17:39. | :17:43. | |
do know about him, of course, was that he had the guts, I suppose, to | :17:43. | :17:48. | |
come out some weeks ago now, and talk openly about the endemic | :17:48. | :17:51. | |
culture of phone hacking at News of the World. I think we can see a | :17:51. | :17:57. | |
clip from it. It was endemic, it happened. REPORTER: When you say it | :17:57. | :18:03. | |
was endemic, phone hacking and the use of illegal practices to secure | :18:03. | :18:09. | |
stories, that was endemic, is what thank what you were saying? Yeah. | :18:09. | :18:12. | |
People are scared, if you have to get a story, you have to get it, | :18:12. | :18:20. | |
you have to get that by whatever means. One of his other colleagues | :18:20. | :18:27. | |
was dris direction one of the few people - Matt Driscoll, one of the | :18:27. | :18:32. | |
few people to talk about hacking, and others who have appeared on the | :18:32. | :18:36. | |
programme before. The thing about speaking openly about it, some of | :18:36. | :18:40. | |
them sign confidentiality agreements, and some have been so | :18:40. | :18:43. | |
closely linked into the phone hacking, aleedgedly, they don't | :18:43. | :18:51. | |
want to speak. It is remarkable that Matt Driscoll spoke about his | :18:51. | :18:55. | |
experiences too. When we were both approached to talk by the New York | :18:55. | :19:00. | |
Times to b what was going on. We were discredited about having an | :19:00. | :19:03. | |
axe to grind because we left the newspaper. That was unfair, because | :19:03. | :19:06. | |
all we wanted to do was tell the truth. You have to remember, my | :19:06. | :19:13. | |
shef and Sean, were one of a hand - myself and Sean were one of handful | :19:13. | :19:16. | |
of people who left the paper without a confidentiality clause. | :19:16. | :19:22. | |
We were one of the few people who could tell the truth. That is an | :19:22. | :19:24. | |
interesting point. Sean Hoare would have been real use to the | :19:24. | :19:27. | |
inquiries? He would have been a huge asset. Especially given that | :19:27. | :19:33. | |
his time in the paper coincided with Andy Coulson kouls who went on | :19:33. | :19:36. | |
to become communication - Andy Coulson kouls, who went on to | :19:36. | :19:40. | |
become communications director for the Prime Minister. Heternal | :19:40. | :19:46. | |
experience of the widespread culture - he had internal | :19:46. | :19:49. | |
experience of the widespread culture of hacking. There is a new | :19:49. | :19:52. | |
joke at Westminster tonight, what is the difference between God and | :19:52. | :19:58. | |
David Cameron, God is everywhere, David Cameron serve where - is | :19:59. | :20:01. | |
everywhere except in the House of Commons. At the moment the Prime | :20:01. | :20:04. | |
Minister is still on Trade Commission to Nigeria and South | :20:04. | :20:08. | |
Africa, which he maintains his more pressing than his role in the | :20:08. | :20:12. | |
biggest scandal in his time in office. Some are wondering if the | :20:12. | :20:18. | |
crisis could yet engulf his Premiership. Spot the difference, | :20:18. | :20:25. | |
two of the mightiest men in Britain. Who both employed former top News | :20:25. | :20:30. | |
of the World journalist, for PR advice. On the right, Met chief, | :20:30. | :20:34. | |
Paul Stephenson, who quit last night, after Thursday's arrest of | :20:34. | :20:38. | |
Neil Wallis, over alleged phone hacking. On the left, David Cameron, | :20:38. | :20:42. | |
still Prime Minister, after his former aide, Andy Coulson, was | :20:42. | :20:48. | |
arrested the week before. A similarity hinted at by Sir Paul | :20:48. | :20:52. | |
in his resignation statement. And with the spotlight increase league | :20:52. | :20:55. | |
on Mr Cameron, even though he was on a trade trip to South Africa | :20:55. | :21:01. | |
today, he tried to tackle it. would say that the situation in the | :21:01. | :21:07. | |
Metropolitan Police is really quite different to the situation in | :21:07. | :21:10. | |
Government, not least that the issues that the Metropolitan Police | :21:10. | :21:15. | |
are looking at, and the issues around them, have had a direct | :21:15. | :21:18. | |
bearing on public confidence into the police inquiry, into the News | :21:18. | :21:22. | |
of the World, and indeed to the police themselves. And for my part | :21:22. | :21:28. | |
what I would say, is this, that we have taken very decisive action. | :21:28. | :21:35. | |
But Ed Miliband, speaking in London, was determined to pursue the | :21:35. | :21:39. | |
comparison. Sir John Stevens has taken responsibility and resigned | :21:39. | :21:49. | |
:21:49. | :21:51. | ||
over - Sir John Stevens, has taken responsibility over the hiring of - | :21:51. | :21:55. | |
we need leadership to get to the truth over what happened. But the | :21:55. | :21:59. | |
Prime Minister is ham strung by the decisions he made and his refusal | :21:59. | :22:09. | |
:22:09. | :22:11. | ||
to face up to them. This afternoon Boris Johnson said Sir Paul | :22:11. | :22:15. | |
Stephenson's resignation was the right thing to do, but he wasn't so | :22:15. | :22:20. | |
helpful to his friend, David Cameron. REPORTER: If it was, as | :22:20. | :22:26. | |
you say, the right call for Sir Paul Stephenson, for hiring a PR | :22:26. | :22:29. | |
man in the phone hacking scandal, shouldn't David Cameron resign over | :22:29. | :22:35. | |
the hiring of a PR man in the phone hacking scandal? I'm not here to | :22:35. | :22:39. | |
discuss Government appointment, I'm here to talk about events in the | :22:39. | :22:42. | |
Metropolitan Police Service, those questions you need to direct to | :22:42. | :22:46. | |
Governments. I don't think there is a very clear read-across in this | :22:46. | :22:49. | |
matter, afterall I'm not aware that Number Ten Downing Street was | :22:49. | :22:53. | |
actually in charge of an investigation. REPORTER: The Prime | :22:53. | :22:57. | |
Minister has just called a judicial inquiry of it, of course he's in | :22:57. | :23:01. | |
charge of an investigation, he has just called a judicial inquiry? | :23:01. | :23:04. | |
Michael, I know the point you are trying to make. It is not relevant | :23:05. | :23:08. | |
to whey want to do with policing in London. This is a matter you must | :23:08. | :23:12. | |
direct to Number Ten Downing Street, I suggest you ask them. It was left | :23:12. | :23:18. | |
to Nick Clegg, of all people, the man who last year warned Cameron | :23:18. | :23:22. | |
about Andy Coulson, to come to the PM's aid. I don't think this is | :23:22. | :23:27. | |
about the Prime Minister's position, absolutely nod, let's keep this in | :23:27. | :23:32. | |
- not, let's keep it in perspective. The issue with the police is the | :23:32. | :23:35. | |
fears that a criminal investigation may have been compromised in some | :23:35. | :23:40. | |
way, that is the focus of people's attention today. Thanks. | :23:40. | :23:44. | |
Then, when the Home Secretary told MPs she was launching three new | :23:44. | :23:48. | |
inquiries, into aspects of the police, Labour resumed its attack. | :23:48. | :23:54. | |
The judgment of the Met has been called into serious question, by | :23:54. | :23:59. | |
appointing Neil Wallis, but so has the judgment of the Prime Minister | :23:59. | :24:04. | |
by appointing Neil Wallis's boss, Andy Coulson. People will look at | :24:04. | :24:07. | |
this and think it is one rule for the police and one for the Prime | :24:07. | :24:15. | |
Minister. But May, unlike Jeremy Hunt last week, went on the | :24:15. | :24:18. | |
offensive. She asked about the whole question of the difference | :24:18. | :24:20. | |
between the Met and the Government. Of course there is a difference | :24:20. | :24:24. | |
between the Met and the Government. The Metropolitan Police were | :24:24. | :24:26. | |
investigating allegations of wrongdoing at the News of the World. | :24:26. | :24:30. | |
I think it is absolutely right that there should be a line between the | :24:30. | :24:34. | |
investigators and the investigated. Then classic piece of Dennis | :24:34. | :24:39. | |
Skinner. People are resigning at Murdoch's, | :24:39. | :24:46. | |
people are being arrested, all over the place, and yet only one area | :24:46. | :24:53. | |
remains intact, on millionaire's row, the Government bench. When is | :24:53. | :24:58. | |
"dodgy" Dave going to do the decent thing and resign. But it wasn't | :24:58. | :25:01. | |
just Labour MPs who were sensing blood. What has been striking about | :25:01. | :25:06. | |
today is the degree to which Tory bloggers and MPs are starting to | :25:06. | :25:13. | |
talk about David Cameron's future. By shares, - buy shares in Theresa | :25:13. | :25:18. | |
May was the whisper after her performance today, including from | :25:18. | :25:23. | |
one ministerial aide, not her's, I should stress. There has always | :25:23. | :25:26. | |
been a substantial chunk of Tory MPs who have never liked David | :25:27. | :25:31. | |
Cameron, but now, right-wingers, who once saw Andy Coulson as their | :25:31. | :25:37. | |
mate who agreed with them on issues like crime and immigration, are | :25:37. | :25:42. | |
ironically exploiting his demise to stick the boot in. | :25:42. | :25:46. | |
Welcome, I didn't know you were so young. He won't be at this rate! | :25:46. | :25:52. | |
For David Cameron, who met Desmond Tutu today, has announced he will | :25:53. | :25:57. | |
return from Africa early, tomorrow morning and not Wednesday morning. | :25:57. | :26:00. | |
More time, to prepare his statement for the extra Commons sitting, | :26:00. | :26:05. | |
which today was called for Wednesday. Meant to be the first | :26:05. | :26:12. | |
day of MPs' summer break, some hope. I'm joined by the deputy leader of | :26:12. | :26:16. | |
the Labour Party, Harriet Harman, and the Conservative MP, Nick Boles | :26:16. | :26:20. | |
is still with us. There is something wrong with the | :26:20. | :26:23. | |
Prime Minister's judgment here? made clear he received assurance, | :26:23. | :26:27. | |
which he accepted, the same assurances were given to a Scottish | :26:27. | :26:32. | |
court, the Scottish court accepted them. They didn't employ him as | :26:32. | :26:37. | |
spokesman in Number Ten? Sorry, they call made some pretty big | :26:37. | :26:40. | |
decisions in relation to Mr Andy Coulson. He has received those | :26:40. | :26:45. | |
assurances, and if those assurances turned out to be lies, he will put | :26:45. | :26:51. | |
his hand up and say it was the wrong decision. The biggest thing | :26:51. | :26:58. | |
levelled at him is niavity, all of this frothy talk, about him looking | :26:58. | :27:03. | |
at his position like the Metropolitan Police commissioner, | :27:03. | :27:09. | |
it is end of term giddyness. It is 3.00am, the phone rings in Downing | :27:09. | :27:14. | |
Street in a national crisis and somebody that has displayed niavity | :27:14. | :27:18. | |
answers the phone, is that what we want? That is not what I have said, | :27:18. | :27:24. | |
it is the worst levelled at him is niavity. He is not niavity and | :27:24. | :27:29. | |
gullible? A Scottish court was also guilty of the same niavity, the | :27:29. | :27:32. | |
police and a Parliamentary Committee, the Labour Party, who | :27:32. | :27:36. | |
frankly hosted, wined and dined the Murdochs for decades were also | :27:36. | :27:40. | |
guilty of the same niavity, we are all, as the Prime Minister said n | :27:40. | :27:43. | |
this together, we have all failed as politicians to understand the | :27:43. | :27:48. | |
nature of the relationship. Harriet Harman you are part of this pattern | :27:48. | :27:51. | |
of niavity? We are not all in this together, it is not a Scottish | :27:51. | :27:55. | |
court running the country, it is not a Scottish court that hired | :27:55. | :27:59. | |
Andy Coulson, he didn't have to hire Andy Coulson. It was a Labour | :27:59. | :28:04. | |
Prime Minister who invited Rebekah Brooks for a slumber party at a | :28:04. | :28:07. | |
taxpayer paid for grace and favour mansion, Chequers, after, after, | :28:07. | :28:12. | |
News of the World journalists had been convicted of phone hacking. So | :28:12. | :28:16. | |
therefore, don't come all high and mighty on us, don't get on to your | :28:16. | :28:19. | |
little moral high horse, the Labour Party was up to its neck in this, | :28:19. | :28:22. | |
and we're not claiming we are better, we are not claiming we are | :28:22. | :28:26. | |
without sin, but the Labour Party to start its claiming without sin | :28:26. | :28:31. | |
will not wash. Answer that? What was about to happen, is we were | :28:31. | :28:36. | |
within days of David Cameron's Government waving through Rupert | :28:36. | :28:42. | |
and James Murdoch's bid to own not only the Sun, News of the World and | :28:42. | :28:47. | |
the Times, but the whole of BSkyB, and David Cameron saying that he's | :28:47. | :28:51. | |
determined to get to the bottom of this, he went all the way to South | :28:51. | :28:55. | |
Africa in order to not to answer questions, he has got some's to | :28:55. | :29:01. | |
answer. - questions to answer. When you have a crisis engulfing the | :29:01. | :29:04. | |
Metropolitan Police, which is very serious, whole issues raised about | :29:04. | :29:07. | |
the press, you do expect leadership from the Prime Minister, and | :29:07. | :29:11. | |
because he will not acknowledge his error in employing Andy Coulson, | :29:11. | :29:14. | |
because he will not answer questions about BSkyB, he cannot | :29:14. | :29:18. | |
show that leadership. Are you saying that because Neil Wallis was | :29:18. | :29:21. | |
a resigning matter for the Metropolitan Police commissioner, | :29:21. | :29:24. | |
that Andy Coulson is a resigning matter for the Prime Minister? | :29:24. | :29:32. | |
are not calling on the Prime Minister to resign. You didn't | :29:32. | :29:36. | |
dispute Dennis Skinner's point. is not the Labour Party's position | :29:36. | :29:40. | |
to call on the Prime Minister to resign, we are calling on him to | :29:40. | :29:46. | |
answer questions, two questions in particular. Which is why he's | :29:46. | :29:50. | |
coming back on Wednesday. The logic surely is he should go, if you | :29:50. | :29:55. | |
think it is right for Sir Paul Stephenson to resign over what he | :29:55. | :29:58. | |
presumably did. Presumably your logic is he should go? No, we are | :29:58. | :30:02. | |
calling on him to answer questions. You called on Ken Clarke to go over | :30:02. | :30:06. | |
a misstatement of rape, this is the Prime Minister over who he employs | :30:06. | :30:09. | |
in Downing Street, it is OK for him to stay? He didn't have to employ | :30:09. | :30:15. | |
Andy Coulson, he did, and that was an error of judgment. We are | :30:15. | :30:18. | |
calling on him to acknowledge it was an error of judgment. Nobody | :30:18. | :30:21. | |
can see David Cameron as Prime Minister, leading the country and | :30:21. | :30:24. | |
the Metropolitan Police, through this difficult crisis, if he won't | :30:24. | :30:29. | |
acknowledge his own error of judgment. There is another question | :30:29. | :30:33. | |
he won't answer. There is one more question, you have had your say. | :30:33. | :30:36. | |
There is another question he won't answer, he was having dinner right | :30:36. | :30:39. | |
at the height of this crisis with Rebekah Brooks r we really to | :30:39. | :30:44. | |
believe he didn't discuss the BSkyB bid. This is the shadow. He won't | :30:44. | :30:49. | |
answer that question. His judgment, in going to South Africa, and | :30:49. | :30:54. | |
Nigeria, when this is going on, that was also daft? Can you tell me | :30:54. | :30:57. | |
what is the judgment call in saying to the President of South Africa, | :30:57. | :31:01. | |
extremely important ally and trading partner, and the President | :31:01. | :31:05. | |
of Nigeria, that because of a little local difficulty, which, by | :31:05. | :31:08. | |
the way you have dealt with by announce ago full judicial inquiry, | :31:08. | :31:13. | |
with wide ranging powers, supported by every part of the house, when | :31:13. | :31:18. | |
this deal threatening has already been dropped by News Corp, what | :31:18. | :31:21. | |
would the credibility attached to a decision to pull out. What would | :31:21. | :31:27. | |
people around the world. Why is he coming back earlier? Because he has | :31:27. | :31:31. | |
seen the South African Prime Minister and the Nigerian President. | :31:31. | :31:35. | |
Because it is right and proper for parliament, before it rises, to | :31:35. | :31:43. | |
have a final statement on this on the whole scandal and the issues. | :31:44. | :31:47. | |
The Prime Minister has to continue to be Prime Minister and is right | :31:47. | :31:50. | |
to do things? He has come back because Ed Miliband was clear he | :31:50. | :31:54. | |
would call for the House to sit on Wednesday for the questions to be | :31:54. | :31:57. | |
answered. The truth is David Cameron is so boxed in by his wrong | :31:57. | :32:03. | |
judgment about Andy Coulson, and about his involvement with BSkyB. | :32:03. | :32:07. | |
Harriet were there any wrong judgments when you were deputy | :32:07. | :32:11. | |
leader. When you were in Gordon Brown's Government, have there been | :32:11. | :32:15. | |
wrong judgments in Tony Blair's Government. You want to ask her | :32:15. | :32:19. | |
about wrong judgments. I would like to hear the end of the sentence and | :32:19. | :32:23. | |
then we will come to you? There is a crisis and he can't show the | :32:23. | :32:27. | |
leadership a Prime Minister should. At least we have had remarkable | :32:27. | :32:31. | |
leadership from Ed Miliband, and David Cameron has followed. | :32:31. | :32:35. | |
leadership Gordon Brown showed in not calling for a judicial inquiry | :32:35. | :32:39. | |
or setting up after the original phone hacking. Ed Miliband has | :32:39. | :32:41. | |
broken through this, hopefully there will be a reasonable | :32:42. | :32:45. | |
settlement to all of this. I'm on my fifth Prime Minister now, I have | :32:45. | :32:49. | |
never seen one looking more slippery and less prepared to | :32:49. | :32:54. | |
answer the questions. Weren't the Conservatives 1% ahead of you in | :32:54. | :32:59. | |
the opinion polls today? All we are saying is there are questions to | :32:59. | :33:06. | |
answer. Maybe he has good answers? He has gone up to South Africa away | :33:06. | :33:11. | |
from it. Excuse me the phones of the Royal Family were bugged. | :33:11. | :33:17. | |
have just heard Harriet give herpes. You seem blowing a lot of air. | :33:17. | :33:25. | |
is pumping air into this. What the met commissioner resigned, Milly | :33:25. | :33:30. | |
Dowler's phone hacked. You have lost all sense. A very senior judge | :33:30. | :33:37. | |
has the judicial inquiry. Forced to by Ed Miliband. He didn't interrupt | :33:37. | :33:43. | |
you, he stopped when I told him to. He called for News Corp to withdraw | :33:43. | :33:49. | |
the bid for BSkyB. Only after he was forced to by Ed Miliband. | :33:49. | :33:58. | |
left for South Africa before Sir Paul Stephenson resigned. He comes | :33:58. | :34:02. | |
back one day before to answer questions. If that isn't a Prime | :34:02. | :34:05. | |
Minister balancing his many responsibility. Ed Miliband has | :34:05. | :34:10. | |
nothing else to do but chase this hear, the Prime Minister has a lot | :34:10. | :34:15. | |
to do, he has to deal with the fact that gas prices went up by 18%, and | :34:15. | :34:18. | |
the eurozone breaking up, he has to deal with the fact that we are | :34:18. | :34:23. | |
trying to help businesses grow by exporting with Africa. He has to | :34:23. | :34:27. | |
deal with the fact that Nick Clegg was the most robust supporter of | :34:27. | :34:31. | |
him not his front bench competing with Nick Clegg. He's a | :34:31. | :34:36. | |
very good deputy Prime Minister. Where are all the other | :34:36. | :34:43. | |
Conservative cabinet ministers conspicuous by their absence | :34:43. | :34:49. | |
sorry for my lowly status. Michael Crick is a brilliant journalist, he | :34:49. | :34:52. | |
can always find three of the mad and bad and usual suspects to | :34:52. | :34:57. | |
rumble off in any subjects, whether Labour, story or Lib Dems, there is | :34:57. | :35:00. | |
no rumbling in the Tory Party about anything other than the fact that | :35:00. | :35:06. | |
Labour is looking this up to try to make a big bang before they all go | :35:06. | :35:11. | |
off on their holidays. There is no good in shouting at me about this. | :35:11. | :35:16. | |
Milly Dowler's phone was hacked. There will be a judicial inquiry. | :35:16. | :35:21. | |
I'm feeling sympathy for Speaker Bercow. It is important that a | :35:21. | :35:24. | |
murder victim's phone was hacked, it is important that there was a | :35:24. | :35:28. | |
police investigation that didn't get to the bottom of hacking. It is | :35:28. | :35:30. | |
important we have lost the Metropolitan Police commissioner, | :35:30. | :35:33. | |
it is important that we were in days of Murdoch having the BSkyB, | :35:33. | :35:36. | |
and it is important that the Prime Minister answers questions and | :35:36. | :35:40. | |
comes to the House. All of that is happening. There is a judicial | :35:40. | :35:43. | |
inquiry and the Prime Minister will make a statement and having debate | :35:44. | :35:47. | |
on Wednesday, what more do you want. We will follow it with great | :35:47. | :35:51. | |
interest. Last month the Obama administration said it had taken | :35:52. | :35:55. | |
steps to ensure that civilians in Pakistan would not be hit by unmand | :35:55. | :35:59. | |
drones the United States was using against the Taliban and Al-Qaeda. | :35:59. | :36:02. | |
Tonight Newsnight has new evidence that this confidence is simply | :36:02. | :36:07. | |
wrong. I'm joined by the defence editor, Mark Urban. Is part of this | :36:07. | :36:10. | |
due to the chill in relations between Pakistan and Washington? | :36:10. | :36:16. | |
is, it has always been a secret war, if you like, conducted by the CIA, | :36:16. | :36:19. | |
in Pakistan, using these unmanned aircraft. If one looks at the | :36:19. | :36:23. | |
history of it, one can see how it is ramped up. But now there are | :36:23. | :36:28. | |
questions in the wake of the Bin Laden raid. Of course the vast | :36:28. | :36:32. | |
majority of the raids have been carried out in the tribal areas, on | :36:32. | :36:35. | |
the border with Afghanistan there. Over the years the numbers have | :36:35. | :36:40. | |
gone up steadily. In the first few years of the strikes, 2004-007, | :36:40. | :36:46. | |
there was just handful. Then we see it going up, 2010, under the Obama | :36:46. | :36:52. | |
administration, reallyising, but a policy never really fully publicly | :36:52. | :36:57. | |
articulated. 118 strikes last year, 45 so far this year. The Pakistanis | :36:57. | :37:01. | |
said a couple of months ago they wanted them stopped, they ordered | :37:01. | :37:08. | |
the CIA out of an bears in Pakistan where some of the - of a base in | :37:08. | :37:13. | |
Pakistan where some of the strikes have been launched from. There have | :37:13. | :37:18. | |
been a couple of dozen since then, were they done against the will of | :37:18. | :37:23. | |
the Pakistani Government, like the Bin Laden attack. We know the | :37:23. | :37:32. | |
Americans are intensely sensitive about it, and John Brennan's talk | :37:32. | :37:42. | |
:37:42. | :37:45. | ||
of allaying fears, the President's In other words, that because they | :37:45. | :37:48. | |
have been checking no other people are in the compounds when they | :37:48. | :37:51. | |
strike, they say no-one has been killed as a result in the past. | :37:51. | :37:56. | |
Since all this last year. Have they delivered on that | :37:56. | :37:59. | |
ambition, that promise? This is where the new research comes in. It | :37:59. | :38:03. | |
is done by the Bureau of Investigative Journalismism, a non- | :38:03. | :38:06. | |
profit organisation of journalists, who dig into this kind of thing, | :38:06. | :38:16. | |
they have done some works on strikes carried on in 2010, when wi | :38:16. | :38:22. | |
is when the US changed its policy. They say by their reckoning, 45 | :38:22. | :38:26. | |
people, civilians, who were not militants or key figures in the | :38:26. | :38:29. | |
leadership of Al-Qaeda or the Taliban, were killed during that | :38:29. | :38:33. | |
period. They are looking at a further 15 incidents, where they | :38:33. | :38:37. | |
would estimate at least another 60 uninvolved people were killed, | :38:37. | :38:44. | |
making well over00 casualties. Now the US has - 100 casualties. The US | :38:44. | :38:49. | |
has respond the to the Bureau of Investigative Journalism, saying | :38:49. | :38:55. | |
they are widely off. This is the response to that. We had feedback | :38:55. | :38:59. | |
from the intelligence community saying, that categorically, they | :38:59. | :39:03. | |
standby their view that absolutely no civilians have been killed in | :39:03. | :39:07. | |
Pakistan since August 23rd last year. Yet we have named individual, | :39:07. | :39:11. | |
named children, we have photoic evidence, we have sent researchers | :39:11. | :39:16. | |
into the field and looked at this, we followed it up through NGOs and | :39:16. | :39:20. | |
lawyers in Pakistan. We can't understand why they are | :39:20. | :39:22. | |
categorically saying no civilian deaths when the evidence seems to | :39:22. | :39:32. | |
:39:32. | :39:34. | ||
show that. These claims are hard to back up? There is a lot of reports | :39:34. | :39:38. | |
from the tribal areas, an exhibition of photographs from the | :39:38. | :39:44. | |
area is opening in London. This was the 23rd of August last year, that | :39:44. | :39:52. | |
killed circumstance civilians s - civilians, there was this boy, | :39:52. | :39:56. | |
killed in a strike two months after that change in targeting. So the | :39:56. | :40:03. | |
bureau's position on this, who conducted the area, they have sent | :40:03. | :40:09. | |
researchers into the area, and looked into the family background | :40:09. | :40:14. | |
of those supposed to be killed in this. It making it more interesting | :40:14. | :40:17. | |
considering the fraught and tangled relationship between the US and | :40:17. | :40:21. | |
Pakistan. Back to the main story tonight, if you could sell tickets | :40:21. | :40:27. | |
to tomorrow's encounter between Rebekah Brooks, Rupert Murdoch and | :40:27. | :40:32. | |
James Murdoch, you might have more takers than the Olympic games if | :40:32. | :40:37. | |
you could sell the tickets. Our political editor Michael Crick is | :40:37. | :40:42. | |
here to discuss the issues. Days don't get bigger than this? | :40:42. | :40:46. | |
could go down as the most dramatic day in parliamentary history. Like | :40:46. | :40:50. | |
day when you have a string of back- to-back football matches on | :40:50. | :40:55. | |
television. We start off at 12.00 with Paul Stephenson, who resigned | :40:55. | :40:58. | |
last night, with the home affairs committee, followed by John Yates | :40:58. | :41:03. | |
at the same committee, then it switches to the Culture Committee, | :41:03. | :41:07. | |
starting with a double header, Rupert Murdoch and his son James, | :41:07. | :41:11. | |
followed by Rebekah Brooks. It has to be the Murdochs which will be | :41:11. | :41:14. | |
the most interesting moment. The extraordinary thing, in 42 years of | :41:14. | :41:19. | |
owning newspapers in this country, Rupert Murdoch has never answered | :41:19. | :41:22. | |
questions from a Commons select committee. He has done it in | :41:22. | :41:25. | |
America and Australia, he has even answered questions from a Lords | :41:25. | :41:29. | |
committee, they had to go to New York to do it. The interesting | :41:29. | :41:34. | |
thing is, in the morning the culture select commit committee | :41:34. | :41:41. | |
will meet and decide whether they will make the Murdochs and Rebekah | :41:41. | :41:45. | |
Brooks swear on oath. Which is unusual. If the MPs do that and the | :41:45. | :41:48. | |
witnesses don't tell the truth or tell lies, they could be prosecuted | :41:48. | :41:52. | |
for perjury through the courts. On the other hand, there are MPs who | :41:52. | :41:55. | |
worry that if they do that the Murdochs and Rebekah Brooks will | :41:55. | :41:59. | |
clam up even more than they may well do so, relying on lawyers, and | :41:59. | :42:03. | |
the legal investigations and so on. There is so many parts to this, it | :42:03. | :42:08. | |
is difficult to know exactly what they will focus on in their time, | :42:08. | :42:11. | |
what sort of questions will they try to get to? The Murdoch, they | :42:11. | :42:14. | |
have only got them there for an hour, that is the schedule. It | :42:14. | :42:19. | |
boils down to the age-old Watergate question, what do you know and when | :42:19. | :42:23. | |
did you know it. In particular with the Murdochs, at what point did | :42:23. | :42:27. | |
they realise that the hacking scandal extended well beyond the | :42:27. | :42:31. | |
single rogue reporter, which of course was the News of the World | :42:31. | :42:36. | |
line for many years, as advanced by Les Hinton, the former boss, when | :42:36. | :42:40. | |
he addressed the culture select committee four years ago. The other | :42:40. | :42:46. | |
thing MPs are bound to go on to the Murdochs and Rebekah Brooks is | :42:46. | :42:50. | |
these extraordinary settlements News of the World had with Gordon | :42:50. | :42:53. | |
Taylor, and the Professional Footballers Association, and Max | :42:53. | :42:58. | |
Clifford, they were paid three quarters of a million pounds in | :42:58. | :43:02. | |
compensation and legal costs over their phone hacking. Why were such | :43:02. | :43:06. | |
huge sums paid, and in particular, when James Murdoch admitted the | :43:06. | :43:10. | |
other day he had agreed those payouts, what was it, he said at | :43:10. | :43:15. | |
the time he had done so without the full facts. What facts is it he | :43:15. | :43:18. | |
knows now about those cases. That is clearly one of the many | :43:18. | :43:21. | |
fascinating areas they will want to probe. Great questions we look | :43:21. | :43:25. | |
forward to the answers tomorrow. A quick look at the front pages | :43:25. | :43:35. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 83 seconds | :43:35. | :44:58. | |
The police are examining a laptop That's all tonight, we are back | :44:58. | :45:02. | |
with more tomorrow, with among other things all the news of the | :45:02. | :45:12. | |
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committee hearing. Worth tuning in Good evening, cloudy and damp night | :45:35. | :45:38. | |
tonight, means a pretty grey start into tomorrow morning. Brightness | :45:38. | :45:42. | |
develop ago I way from some western coasts and hills, that brightness | :45:42. | :45:51. | |
will be enough to add heavy showers through the afternoon. North West | :45:51. | :45:55. | |
England still cloudy, one or two showers, further showers in the | :45:55. | :45:59. | |
south. But there will be well scattered, one or two spots staying | :45:59. | :46:05. | |
dry, brightness if not sunshine inbetween. The south coast is | :46:05. | :46:08. | |
rather cloudy across Cornwall, northern parts of Devon, the | :46:08. | :46:12. | |
morning showers we will see here will ease a bit. South eastern | :46:12. | :46:15. | |
parts of Wales and to the west and north a predominantly cloudy day | :46:15. | :46:19. | |
with little in the way of brightness. Some brightness in | :46:19. | :46:23. | |
Northern Ireland, most dry and showers in the north. To the north | :46:23. | :46:28. | |
plenty of cloud, and there will be some outbreaks of rain, mainly | :46:28. | :46:33. | |
light and patchy. Prospects from Tuesday into Wednesday, there won't | :46:33. | :46:38. | |
be a huge amounts of change. Huge showers across Scotland, the | :46:38. | :46:41. | |
heaviest in the south west. For England and Wales, the difference | :46:41. | :46:45. | |
from Tuesday to Wednesday will be again increases of cloud with more | :46:46. | :46:50. |