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It's been yet another bad week for David Cameron's Government, rows | :00:12. | :00:17. | |
over extradition and Lords reform, coming after all that budget fall- | :00:17. | :00:23. | |
out, is fact following fiction? you, you're a BEEPing omnishambles, | :00:23. | :00:29. | |
you're like that coffee machine, from bean to cup, you BEEP up. | :00:29. | :00:35. | |
opposition stealing the line from a TV comedy, is David Cameron really | :00:35. | :00:39. | |
presiding over omnishambles. The latest outbreak of ill feeling in | :00:39. | :00:43. | |
the cabinet is from the European Court of Human Rights, we have some | :00:43. | :00:45. | |
fresh revelations. Inside the cabinet they have been | :00:45. | :00:51. | |
rowing and banging the table over whether to demand reform over the | :00:51. | :00:54. | |
court's powers, it is Keneth Clarke versus Michael Gove. Two | :00:54. | :00:57. | |
Conservatives who disagree on what is wrong with the coalition are | :00:57. | :01:00. | |
here. Given the catalogue of human rights | :01:00. | :01:03. | |
abuses in Bahrain, should Sunday's Grand Prix be stopped, should | :01:03. | :01:07. | |
Britain take a tougher line. We will hear from the Bahraini | :01:07. | :01:17. | |
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Good evenings, every Government goes through the mid-term blues, a | :01:20. | :01:26. | |
few years in, unpopular decisions taken, and if they get it right, a | :01:26. | :01:30. | |
cople of more years, and then the wisdom is revealed and they are re- | :01:31. | :01:35. | |
elected. Sometimes it goes from bad to worse, in the view of David | :01:35. | :01:41. | |
Miliband it is going that way, he called it an "omnishambles", | :01:42. | :01:49. | |
something that owes itself to television comedy. The answer | :01:49. | :01:54. | |
Allegra Stratton will be finding out, the answer contains some very | :01:54. | :01:59. | |
strong language. This was in this building that | :01:59. | :02:01. | |
David Cameron invited people to join the Government of Britain. | :02:01. | :02:08. | |
is an invitation to the whole of Britain, we will give you the power, | :02:08. | :02:13. | |
be your own boss, sack your own MP. Nearly two years into power, the | :02:13. | :02:17. | |
prospect of people faking him up on that invite, if it was -- taking | :02:17. | :02:23. | |
him up on that invite, if it was ever credible, now looks a little | :02:23. | :02:28. | |
less. One of the things I take around with me today is the | :02:28. | :02:31. | |
Conservative manifesto, which indicates what they are delivering | :02:31. | :02:35. | |
and how much was in the manifesto. That is a notebook? It is the | :02:35. | :02:40. | |
manifesto from 2010. Conservative chairman's humour | :02:40. | :02:43. | |
reflects the mood inside Downing Street and the difficulties of | :02:43. | :02:47. | |
making coalition work. Conservative Party have some very | :02:47. | :02:50. | |
clear principles, the majority of the agreement, the coalition | :02:50. | :02:52. | |
agreement, and what we are delivering in Government, is part | :02:52. | :02:57. | |
of those principles, but then there are other principles, Lib Dem | :02:57. | :03:01. | |
principles, which do butt up against that. And yes, out of that | :03:01. | :03:04. | |
sometimes comes an incoherence. What is worrying for the Government | :03:04. | :03:10. | |
is the shifting sands of public opinion, those people who the | :03:10. | :03:15. | |
Tories they could once ask to join the Government, are settling. In | :03:15. | :03:22. | |
the first time in the history of a poll from YouGov, and any polling | :03:22. | :03:26. | |
kl 2007, Labour is ahead on points. For people inside Number Ten, life | :03:26. | :03:29. | |
is tense. That's great, that's fucking great, | :03:29. | :03:34. | |
that is another fucking thing right there, not only do you have a bent | :03:34. | :03:39. | |
fucking husband, and a daughter who gets taken to school in a sedan | :03:39. | :03:43. | |
chair, you are also fucking mental. You are a fucking omnishambles, you | :03:43. | :03:49. | |
are like that coffee finance, from bean to cup, you fuck up. So there | :03:49. | :03:55. | |
you have it, the word "omnishambles" first used in its | :03:55. | :04:01. | |
full glory. Since that programme, politicians of all stripes have | :04:01. | :04:05. | |
used it to describe things going their way as they might not like. | :04:06. | :04:11. | |
This week it was used by the leader of the opposition, David Miliband, | :04:11. | :04:16. | |
in the House of Commons. -- Ed Miliband. We are all pleased to | :04:16. | :04:20. | |
hear the Prime Minister's view, four weeks on from the budget, even | :04:20. | :04:25. | |
people from Downing Street, are calling it an omnishambles budget. | :04:25. | :04:29. | |
This week the events didn't let up, the dance with Abu Qatada might | :04:29. | :04:33. | |
once have been containable, but ministers fear the sight of Qatada | :04:33. | :04:39. | |
released could be a vivid image of impotence. | :04:39. | :04:47. | |
Coming in a week where attempts were suggested to change the | :04:47. | :04:51. | |
European Court of Human Rights, and rejected, it is thought that could | :04:51. | :04:53. | |
be lethal. Keneth Clarke gave a presentation on the reforms he was | :04:54. | :04:58. | |
going to get to the European Court, which, in the eye of some cabinet | :04:58. | :05:01. | |
ministers, tying their hands in the Abu Qatada case. Keneth Clarke said | :05:01. | :05:06. | |
the reforms were not going to be as radical as the Tories said they | :05:06. | :05:10. | |
would get. To the surprise of some, it was he had case secretary, | :05:10. | :05:13. | |
Michael Gove who said that was not -- Education Secretary, Michael | :05:13. | :05:18. | |
Gove who said that was not good enough, and Iain Duncan Smith and | :05:18. | :05:28. | |
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others thumped support in this matter for the education secretary. | :05:33. | :05:39. | |
It was party night on Wednesday, a Cameroon leaving do, for the man | :05:40. | :05:44. | |
who dreamt up The Big Idea society, Steve Hilton has temporarily left | :05:44. | :05:49. | |
the Government, many think he has left a hole, even his enemies. His | :05:49. | :05:56. | |
departure marks the end of the first part of the coalition | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
Government, now there is a phase where everything has to be agreed, | :05:59. | :06:03. | |
with fraught negotiations. With no second programme of Government on | :06:03. | :06:07. | |
the horizon, the Government has created a vacuum. Looking to find | :06:07. | :06:11. | |
mid-term blues for the 1997 Government is pretty useless, they | :06:11. | :06:17. | |
basically govern in benign times. Looking at the 1979 Government is | :06:17. | :06:20. | |
more interesting, they only get their poll lead back in the time of | :06:20. | :06:24. | |
the Falklands War. Some of Cameron's allies point to this | :06:24. | :06:29. | |
period suggesting the best is yet to come. Things may be bumpy, David | :06:29. | :06:32. | |
Cameron's aides admit, ruefully, but soon the Prime Minister will | :06:32. | :06:35. | |
point out few people are argue beg their core policy, definite | :06:36. | :06:41. | |
reduction, and that, they think, is the key to the 20 15 election. | :06:41. | :06:45. | |
Today backbenchers are newly upset about money going from the UK to | :06:45. | :06:50. | |
the IMF. Few are sure whether they are dealing with mid-term blues, or | :06:50. | :06:58. | |
a longer term darker Hugh. My guest suggests that the Government is | :06:58. | :07:03. | |
fundamentally on track, and many of the problems are stirred up by the | :07:03. | :07:08. | |
website, Conservative Home, and calling it narrow faction. The | :07:08. | :07:14. | |
website's editor is with us. Do you accept that omni shambles is real, | :07:14. | :07:18. | |
and many problems are down to a basic lack of confidence? | :07:18. | :07:23. | |
really, I think the reporting of this crisis, called, has been | :07:23. | :07:27. | |
hysterical. It is very interesting, if you analyse where the criticisms | :07:27. | :07:35. | |
are coming from. It is not being created by the opposition, it is | :07:35. | :07:38. | |
coming from the Conservative Party right, and within that, it is from | :07:38. | :07:46. | |
a very small number of very deliberately offensive voices, that | :07:46. | :07:49. | |
are attacking the Prime Minister personally, and accusing Cameron of | :07:49. | :07:53. | |
some kind of betrayal. Did you mean him? What I argued in my piece in | :07:53. | :07:57. | |
the Telegraph, was that Conservative Home gave a lot of | :07:57. | :08:02. | |
credibility to this proposition. I think the half-a-dozen or so voices | :08:02. | :08:07. | |
on the Tory right really, they don't represent the mainstream | :08:07. | :08:14. | |
Conservative view, but they are given weight by Conservative Home, | :08:14. | :08:17. | |
which presents itself as the voice of the mainstream Conservative | :08:17. | :08:21. | |
Party, but is actually, under Tim Montgomerie, a brilliant man, | :08:21. | :08:25. | |
actually, really influential, but he actual low is a small right-wing | :08:25. | :08:31. | |
faction. Tim? I think we are returning the compliments here, I | :08:31. | :08:35. | |
think Peter is a brilliant columnist, but in terms of personal | :08:35. | :08:39. | |
attacks, Peter, it wasn't so long ago when you wrote in your | :08:39. | :08:42. | |
Telegraph column that until now it was easy to argue that Mr Cameron | :08:42. | :08:47. | |
was properly grounded with a decent set of values, but unfortunately it | :08:47. | :08:51. | |
is impossible to make that assertion any longer. I have never | :08:51. | :08:54. | |
made an take on David Cameron as strong as that. I think the | :08:54. | :08:57. | |
Government is facing serious difficulties, I think it is very | :08:57. | :09:01. | |
important for a website like our's, I love the Conservative Party, I | :09:01. | :09:05. | |
want it to succeed, to voice the concerns, not just of a few people | :09:05. | :09:09. | |
in Westminster. What we exist to do, and we have a panel of nine-and-a- | :09:09. | :09:12. | |
half Conservative members across the country that we regularly poll. | :09:12. | :09:16. | |
I put a lot of time into talking to Conservative MPs and others. There | :09:16. | :09:21. | |
is huge concern out there, it is not a crisis, it is fixable, but | :09:21. | :09:25. | |
there is a lot of concern. Peter said it is magnified by people like, | :09:25. | :09:32. | |
talking about a handful of these voices, serial attenders of think- | :09:32. | :09:38. | |
tank breakfasts, spectacular immaturity, waging a campaign | :09:38. | :09:45. | |
against Baroness Warsi, and you are stirring it up, it is | :09:45. | :09:50. | |
unrepresentative of the Conservative Party? We are far from | :09:50. | :09:55. | |
unprep presentive, I spoke to two - - unrepresentative, I spoke to two | :09:55. | :09:59. | |
people this week, who said half of the people are worried about | :09:59. | :10:03. | |
problems in David Cameron's leadership, and some are as worried | :10:03. | :10:11. | |
as in the John Major years. You mentioned the polls, UKIP taking | :10:11. | :10:14. | |
chunks out of the right flank. I think it is sortable, I think the | :10:14. | :10:18. | |
Government is doing many good things. It would be wrong to be | :10:18. | :10:22. | |
complacent at this time. Isn't it refreshing to hear some of | :10:23. | :10:25. | |
this, instead of the discipline of the Conservative Party falling in | :10:25. | :10:29. | |
line, it is a party that seems to be confident enough to have a row | :10:29. | :10:32. | |
with itself? I think there is a lot in that, I think that it is one of | :10:32. | :10:35. | |
the reasons why Labour, new Labour, couldn't produce something which | :10:36. | :10:42. | |
Tim has done. Because they were so on message that it wouldn't produce | :10:42. | :10:48. | |
the eclectic voices. You joint by he represents a meaningful strand | :10:48. | :10:51. | |
do you? If you lock at my readers, broadly Conservative, they are | :10:51. | :10:55. | |
people who read the newspapers over breakfast, they get on the commuter | :10:55. | :11:01. | |
train. They are civic-minded people. Lord Oakeshott, the great | :11:01. | :11:05. | |
Conservative fill loss fear of the last century, saying Conservatism | :11:05. | :11:09. | |
is about enjoyment, civic engagment and living life to the full. My | :11:09. | :11:16. | |
criticism of Tim is I think his website is very representative of a | :11:16. | :11:23. | |
small, very small group of very keen political obsessives. For them, | :11:23. | :11:28. | |
every political development which Allegra Stratton's brilliant | :11:28. | :11:31. | |
comment earlier portrayed, is a matter of intense importance. Now, | :11:31. | :11:36. | |
for the average Telegrapher, who is the mainstream Conservative voter, | :11:36. | :11:40. | |
he's thinking about his job, his family, the opera he's going to, | :11:40. | :11:44. | |
where he will spend the evening. There is a small group of | :11:44. | :11:49. | |
hysterical young men, very few women, who get terribly obsessed by | :11:49. | :11:59. | |
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the latest political. Let me hear from the his kal young -- | :11:59. | :12:03. | |
hysterical young man's leader? column written tomorrow by Peter | :12:03. | :12:07. | |
saying the wheels fell off the car ran have a of the coalition this | :12:07. | :12:11. | |
week. I'm not -- caravan of the coalition this week. I'm not sure | :12:11. | :12:19. | |
who is the most heir ter kal. Only -- hysterical. Only 10-15% of cuts | :12:19. | :12:24. | |
necessary have so far been made, we need a coalition focused on | :12:24. | :12:28. | |
economic competitiveness, and then we can sort these problems out. | :12:28. | :12:32. | |
There is one other difference between you two, you would Mike | :12:32. | :12:37. | |
David Cameron to be more ideolgical, and you -- would like David Cameron | :12:37. | :12:41. | |
to be more ideolgical, and you would like him to appeal more to | :12:41. | :12:45. | |
everyone. If you go back to the Labour Party in the 1980s, there | :12:45. | :12:51. | |
was the Campaign Group, they were very dogmatic, they were aridly | :12:51. | :12:55. | |
doctrineated, and Neil Kinnock had this wonderful phrase, I remember | :12:55. | :13:01. | |
in the mid-1980s, when he said politics is too important to mess | :13:01. | :13:09. | |
around with people's lives. I think this very, in a way, a politically | :13:09. | :13:13. | |
obsessive approach. Not good enough on this line. David Cameron is some | :13:13. | :13:17. | |
kind of right-wing story, who is as pure as the driven snow. Can I come | :13:17. | :13:24. | |
back on this. Let him come in on that? What we need to do as part of | :13:24. | :13:28. | |
the Conservative Party is walk and chew gum at the same time, it is | :13:28. | :13:31. | |
perfectly OK to be euro-sceptic, tough approach to immigration and | :13:32. | :13:36. | |
crime, the things that perhaps Peter would characterise as right- | :13:36. | :13:40. | |
wing, on the website we have also advanced much more involvement of | :13:40. | :13:43. | |
northern candidates in the party, when there was room for tax cuts | :13:43. | :13:48. | |
they should be focused on the low paid. We have taken something that | :13:48. | :13:52. | |
Peter criticised, we have been critical of the hyperactivity of | :13:52. | :13:55. | |
the coalition, unsettling the National Health Service, it is the | :13:55. | :14:00. | |
wrong time to reform the National Health Service. I think a blue | :14:00. | :14:03. | |
collar Conservatism, not a right- wing Conservatism, is the future of | :14:03. | :14:08. | |
the party, I think Peter was a little bit unfair about how he | :14:08. | :14:13. | |
characterised our position. Let's bring in Zoe Williams, do you think | :14:13. | :14:17. | |
Labour is missing a trick in not having a Labour Home? I have a lot | :14:17. | :14:23. | |
of sympathy with both of your positions, with the proviso that I | :14:23. | :14:27. | |
think you are all wrong! Neither can summon the quintessential Tory, | :14:27. | :14:31. | |
all you are doing is summon the Tory you want to summon. Neither of | :14:31. | :14:34. | |
you say you can speak for Conservatism, I wouldn't say. Now, | :14:34. | :14:38. | |
there is, you were talking about building a narrative, and how that | :14:38. | :14:41. | |
is telling a story, I agree with that, there is a fictionalisation, | :14:41. | :14:46. | |
when you build a narrative, there is also, it abides by a narrative | :14:46. | :14:50. | |
verity, there is a purpose to attacking the party, there is a | :14:50. | :14:54. | |
purpose to Conservative Home, it is a corrective to a party that's in | :14:54. | :14:59. | |
power. There would be no purpose to it for Labour. He used the word | :14:59. | :15:08. | |
"magnifies" the problem, that could be detable stablising it? | :15:08. | :15:14. | |
destablising it? The power in the press was suppressing it. Now, that | :15:14. | :15:18. | |
is no longer the case because of the internet, you can't put the | :15:19. | :15:24. | |
genie back in the box and say the press can suppress division, if the | :15:24. | :15:27. | |
press suppresses them, somebody like a website will air them. You | :15:27. | :15:32. | |
can't say this is hysterical young men who is briefing the young men. | :15:32. | :15:39. | |
Lord Ashley is oneing the show. -- Lord Ashcroft is running the | :15:39. | :15:42. | |
show. He supports the website generously, but he doesn't | :15:42. | :15:46. | |
interfere. You can't say on the one hand it is hysterical young men, | :15:46. | :15:51. | |
and then on the other say it is the old men locked out in the cold. | :15:51. | :15:55. | |
You made a reference to the health bill, you seem to think it was a | :15:55. | :15:59. | |
serious misjudgment for Conservative Home to attack it? | :15:59. | :16:03. | |
is very effective in attack on the health bill, it was the timing | :16:03. | :16:07. | |
which was so strange. It was pretty well on the third reading stage. | :16:07. | :16:13. | |
And suddenly, Conservative Home had a fit of nerves or a fit of | :16:13. | :16:18. | |
hysteria, perhaps, and demanded it should be dropped. It was | :16:18. | :16:24. | |
catastrophic if it was dropped stage. There was three cabinet | :16:24. | :16:31. | |
ministers on that. It was a good story. It was sourced in three | :16:31. | :16:36. | |
cabinet ministers. Let me get to this, the idea has got about that | :16:36. | :16:40. | |
Conservative Hope, particularly among BBC pro-- Conservative Home, | :16:40. | :16:44. | |
particularly among BBC producers, and that sort of person, that | :16:44. | :16:47. | |
Conservative Home represents the mainstream of the Conservative | :16:47. | :16:52. | |
Party. It represents a very, very, and I was just wanting, just to | :16:52. | :16:55. | |
produce a corrective, so that we understand that Conservative Home, | :16:55. | :17:01. | |
for all its merits, very, very interesting analysis and so forth, | :17:01. | :17:04. | |
represents a small group of quite intelligent, and completely | :17:04. | :17:09. | |
obsessed right-wingers. To be fair, I mean there is a point | :17:09. | :17:13. | |
here, you can't on the one hand say that Cameron isn't demonstrating | :17:13. | :17:18. | |
leadership, and he's being a front man and a sales person, and on the | :17:18. | :17:22. | |
other hand amplify the divisions in his party, it does weaken him, and | :17:22. | :17:26. | |
this stuff is self-fulfiling, if you attack the guy for being weak, | :17:26. | :17:29. | |
he will become weaker. The trouble with the idea of | :17:29. | :17:35. | |
keeping politics out of sport, is sport is so important to so many | :17:35. | :17:40. | |
people around the world, it can provide a platform for disconand | :17:40. | :17:45. | |
protest. The Bahrain Grand Prix has been scheduled for Sunday, and | :17:45. | :17:55. | |
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there have been renewed calls for it to be called off. The glamour, | :18:00. | :18:04. | |
the speed, the daredevilry of Formula One, brought to a country, | :18:04. | :18:11. | |
seething with anger. On the track, tyres span today. | :18:11. | :18:19. | |
Off it t they went up in smoke. Last year's Bahrain Grand Prix was | :18:19. | :18:24. | |
cancelled, after the kingdom's police battled pro-democracy | :18:24. | :18:29. | |
protestors at the start of the Arab Spring. Today, the Crown Prince, | :18:29. | :18:34. | |
owner of the rights to the events, insisted this year's would go ahead | :18:34. | :18:38. | |
on Sunday. Cancelling the race empowers extremists. For those of | :18:38. | :18:43. | |
us trying to navigate a way out of this political problem, having the | :18:43. | :18:47. | |
race allows us to build bridges across communities, get people | :18:47. | :18:53. | |
working together. It allows us to celebrate our nation. Bahrain's | :18:53. | :18:56. | |
western-orientated rulers are highly image conscious, the Grand | :18:56. | :19:00. | |
Prix was intended to show a country returning to normal, ironically, it | :19:00. | :19:04. | |
has ended up reminding the world about the unrest. Today, tens of | :19:04. | :19:10. | |
thousands blocked a major highway, to demand that the race be stopped. | :19:10. | :19:15. | |
This sport, especially Formula One, is the ruling elite sport, it is | :19:15. | :19:18. | |
the Crown Prince's sport, it is the son of the king's sport. You know | :19:18. | :19:24. | |
you are in a country that does not have institutions, does not have | :19:24. | :19:26. | |
systems. The ruling family are everywhere, they are the rulers, | :19:26. | :19:31. | |
the economy, the politics, everything. What was our demand, is | :19:31. | :19:34. | |
for Formula One not to help the ruling elite to come out of | :19:34. | :19:38. | |
isolation. They have committed a lot of crimes and they should be | :19:38. | :19:42. | |
politically punished for those crimes. They should not be helped. | :19:42. | :19:46. | |
Now Formula One is coming, it is not a good message for the people | :19:46. | :19:51. | |
in Bahrain, or the people who lost their loved ones. According to | :19:51. | :19:54. | |
Amnesty International, there have been at least 60 protest-related | :19:54. | :19:58. | |
deaths, since the uprising began in February last year. At least five | :19:58. | :20:02. | |
people have died from torture in cuss towedy. At least 500 civilians | :20:02. | :20:05. | |
have been convicted in military courts. | :20:05. | :20:09. | |
Now, 11 members of the security forces are known to be facing | :20:09. | :20:14. | |
charges for human rights violations. But as far as is known, none of | :20:14. | :20:20. | |
them hold senior positions. Theless, the appointment of an | :20:20. | :20:23. | |
Independent Commission of Inquiry, which reported last November, | :20:23. | :20:28. | |
proves, the authorities say, that they want reform. If we hold | :20:28. | :20:32. | |
internal investigations with external investigators, and we say | :20:32. | :20:36. | |
that we are not perfect, then I hardly think we are trying to gloss | :20:36. | :20:40. | |
over real issues that exist in our country. And Bernie Ecclestone, | :20:40. | :20:45. | |
Prince of Formula One, thinks there is no problem with freedom of | :20:45. | :20:51. | |
expression in Bahrain. I don't want to be rude at all, but I think | :20:52. | :20:56. | |
sometimes it is a little bit silly putting the race on, it has given | :20:56. | :21:00. | |
the protesters an incredible platform to talk tou. They say they | :21:00. | :21:02. | |
talk about democracy, which is freedom of speech, they say, they | :21:02. | :21:07. | |
have had all the freedom in the world to talk to you guys. | :21:07. | :21:13. | |
In the impoverished villages outside Bahrain's capital, the | :21:13. | :21:20. | |
country's largely Shia Muslim population, resentful of the elite | :21:20. | :21:28. | |
says freedom is a long way off. Amnesty International say they the | :21:28. | :21:33. | |
ruling powers haven't committed themselves to human rights. Bahrain | :21:33. | :21:37. | |
is not Syria, and there is a process of reform under way, and | :21:37. | :21:41. | |
that Government backs and wants to promote the reform. Behind that | :21:41. | :21:47. | |
aspiration, is there a desire to maintain good relations with a | :21:47. | :21:53. | |
stragically placed king, in which the United States and UK have had | :21:53. | :21:59. | |
strong military links. Half a million of UK licenses were revoked | :21:59. | :22:02. | |
last February when the uprising began for equipment that could be | :22:02. | :22:08. | |
used against protestors, since then a further �1.5 million have been | :22:08. | :22:12. | |
licensed, including items that can be used in dealing with civilian | :22:12. | :22:16. | |
unrest. Such as body armour, weapons sights, small arms | :22:16. | :22:21. | |
ammunition, rifles and silencers. The Commander-in-Chief of the | :22:21. | :22:24. | |
Bahraini army recently told a local newspaper that Britain had been one | :22:24. | :22:28. | |
of several countries trying to put pressure on Bahrain by curbing arms | :22:28. | :22:32. | |
sales. But he said he personally phoned a senior person in the | :22:32. | :22:37. | |
British army and threatened to cancel military co-operation in | :22:37. | :22:43. | |
Bahrain, unless the curb on arms exports was lifted. According to | :22:43. | :22:48. | |
him, he boasted the policy had been changed within a month. I don't | :22:48. | :22:53. | |
know if the time frame is right, but it seems that pressure had some | :22:53. | :22:57. | |
impact. The British Government would deny any such pressure, as | :22:58. | :23:02. | |
for the authorities, they have been firm in dispersing protests, this | :23:02. | :23:07. | |
man was hit in the face with a teargas cannister. Any activists | :23:07. | :23:11. | |
detained in the last three or four days, to clear the way for Formula | :23:11. | :23:16. | |
One, many of those activists were tortured, some were kids. Now only | :23:16. | :23:20. | |
I have just come from the house of somebody, 14 years old boy, who has | :23:20. | :23:24. | |
bleeding in the brain, because of the torture he had by the security | :23:24. | :23:30. | |
institution, and he's in a critical condition. | :23:30. | :23:32. | |
Opposition leaders say they won't try to stop the race, but | :23:32. | :23:36. | |
demonstrations will continue. Not surprising, perhaps, then, that | :23:36. | :23:41. | |
there is increasing nervousness on the part of some teams and sponsors. | :23:41. | :23:50. | |
Earlier I spoke to representative for Bahrain's information affairs | :23:50. | :23:59. | |
authority, and the son of -- the son of a jailed dissident. Bahraini | :23:59. | :24:03. | |
forces have killed 60 people, and tortured five to death in the last | :24:03. | :24:09. | |
year, why should you be allowed to stage the Grand Prix? I take issue | :24:09. | :24:13. | |
with the figure of 60, the independent report listed 35, five | :24:13. | :24:19. | |
were members of the security forces. Amnesty International's report says | :24:19. | :24:22. | |
otherwise, we won't quibble about the figures, you have killed a | :24:22. | :24:26. | |
number of protestors and tortured five to death, why should the world | :24:26. | :24:31. | |
let you pretend everything is normal in Bahrain? The Government | :24:31. | :24:35. | |
abhors torture of any kind, it stands against human rights | :24:35. | :24:38. | |
violations, that is why it has commissioned the Independent | :24:39. | :24:42. | |
Commission of Inquiry, which made its findings very public in a | :24:42. | :24:48. | |
public ceremony. It was accepted by His Majesty the king, it is | :24:48. | :24:53. | |
available on-line in Arabic and English, many say it is damaging | :24:53. | :24:57. | |
for the Government. The Government has acknowledged its mistakes and | :24:57. | :25:00. | |
taken responsibility for the wrongs and has been fast in implementing | :25:00. | :25:04. | |
measures and the report's recommendations. You are not a | :25:04. | :25:08. | |
normal country, you use shotguns against protestor, political | :25:08. | :25:13. | |
opposition is banned? No, actually, the largest opposition party, just | :25:13. | :25:18. | |
resigned 18 seats in parliament. It had 17 seats in the last | :25:18. | :25:24. | |
parliamentary session. I mean, one must not forget that we are a new | :25:24. | :25:26. | |
transitioning democracy. Our parliament is on its third session. | :25:26. | :25:31. | |
You say you are in transition, should we wait until the transition | :25:31. | :25:34. | |
is more peaceful before allowing the Formula One Grand Prix to give | :25:34. | :25:38. | |
you this great political boost? have made great leaps over the past | :25:38. | :25:47. | |
ten years. We have had the national charter, the bicameral parliament, | :25:47. | :25:51. | |
and constitutional reforms are coming as a result of the dialogue | :25:51. | :25:55. | |
in June, that have gone through the lower house. Have they made great | :25:55. | :26:05. | |
leaps? Let me just mention that the Bahraini regime has not killed only | :26:05. | :26:11. | |
65, they killed more than 80, and they arrested doctors and nurses | :26:11. | :26:18. | |
and they destroyed more than 35 mosques, and Bahrain is now under | :26:18. | :26:24. | |
occupation since 17th of March 2011, and they are still oxfied. At the | :26:24. | :26:28. | |
moment now...He Made the point that they have admit add lot of mistakes, | :26:28. | :26:38. | |
:26:38. | :26:41. | ||
and allowed to open themselves up to scrutiny. This Grand Prix will | :26:41. | :26:45. | |
turn the spotlight on the issues you are talking about? At this time | :26:45. | :26:51. | |
more than 20 villages by the police forces. Right now, you mean? Right | :26:51. | :26:56. | |
now, at the moment. I mean every day they attack their people. I | :26:57. | :27:03. | |
want to mention as well, that teargas made in the UK, and I want | :27:03. | :27:12. | |
to mention that, I mean, unfortunately, the UK Government | :27:12. | :27:17. | |
supports Bahrain by ...Making teargas and other things. Let me | :27:17. | :27:21. | |
put that now, the attacks on villages are still going on, they | :27:21. | :27:27. | |
are going on now, he says? Again, I mean there were a few allegations | :27:27. | :27:30. | |
there on the past comments that I don't necessarily agree with and | :27:30. | :27:35. | |
believe to be true. Such as Bahrain being under occupation or invasion. | :27:35. | :27:39. | |
Now the right approach -- the right to protest is guaranteed to the | :27:39. | :27:42. | |
citizens, this right has been exercise, non-stop, since the | :27:42. | :27:48. | |
events of last year. But you are shooting them? Come on, that is | :27:48. | :27:53. | |
really unfair to say. We have had very large protests, you know, some | :27:53. | :27:57. | |
numbing in the tens of thousands, gathering every week without | :27:57. | :28:03. | |
disruption, or without interference by the police. There is a line | :28:03. | :28:06. | |
between peaceful protest and legitimate expression of opinion, | :28:07. | :28:10. | |
and violent assaults against policemen. The point is, you want | :28:10. | :28:15. | |
the overthrow of the Bahrain Government? Is it wrong for people | :28:15. | :28:21. | |
to demand to elect their Government. It is wrong to attack and shoot | :28:21. | :28:26. | |
police officers? No, we didn't attack anybody. We don't have any | :28:27. | :28:32. | |
arms. Since 14th of February, we have moved peacefully, as the BBC | :28:32. | :28:40. | |
will say, and CNN, and amnesty international mentioned that the | :28:40. | :28:45. | |
protestors were peacefully moving, and the Government, as Bassiouni | :28:45. | :28:53. | |
said in his report, they tortured the youths in prison, and they | :28:53. | :28:57. | |
killed them. Would you accept that the Formula One, grand pro-, which | :28:57. | :29:01. | |
you want cancelled? Yes. Wouldn't you accept it has done the world of | :29:01. | :29:05. | |
good for the opposition, because everybody is looking at Bahrain | :29:05. | :29:08. | |
because it is going on, it is a good thing? Everybody knows what | :29:08. | :29:18. | |
:29:18. | :29:18. | ||
happened in Bahrain, that is why they should stop, what the police | :29:18. | :29:23. | |
force is doing, they attack every village. Are you saying that is not | :29:23. | :29:26. | |
true, that while the Formula One preparations are going on, your | :29:26. | :29:34. | |
forces are not attacking any villages? Won coming to protest, it | :29:34. | :29:37. | |
is important to say that -- when coming to protest, it is important | :29:37. | :29:41. | |
to saying, there are protests happening before Formula One, and | :29:41. | :29:45. | |
will continue during. I have to say that many people, especially in the | :29:45. | :29:50. | |
opposition, have expressed strong support for the Formula One, they | :29:50. | :29:53. | |
have acknowledged its use to the economy and will not act as a | :29:53. | :29:59. | |
weapon against it. Only a small minority offer a risk. Kirsty is | :29:59. | :30:05. | |
standing by with the review show. Two of our finest actresses, Glenn | :30:05. | :30:11. | |
Close and Janet McTeer, go head-to- head in Nobbs, and Anjelica Houston | :30:11. | :30:19. | |
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