19/07/2012 Newsnight


19/07/2012

A border guards' strike on eve of the Olympics threatens airport chaos, are they letting the side down? And the desperate plight of starving children in Yemen. With Gavin Esler.


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Tonight a strike by border guards on the eve of the Olympics. It

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threatens chaos at Heathrow on what's expected to be the airport's

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busiest day ever with more than a 100,000 people arriving. The Home

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Secretary says it's "shameful." The union says it's a "last resort."

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We'll debate the rights and wrongs in yet another operational setback

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for the Government. The millions of malnourished children in an

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epidemic of hunger in Yemen. It's an Arab Spring country gone

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unnoticed and now starving. Little Abdullah here is typical of so many

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of the kids we've been seeing - if you look at his arms there is no

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body fat on him at all. Who will be the new Sheriff of Nottingham and

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towns and cities across England and Wales? Police Commissioners will be

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elected in November - but will anyone turn out to vote? What

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difference will they make? And should they be politicians like

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John Prescott or perhaps former police officers - we'll ask two

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candidates for the posts plus the current head of ACPO. Don't do this

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at home - the BBC's paid a lot to play with these Olympic rings - but

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there are some things even we can't say. During the summer bleep, being

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that according to a law, the... Had imposed upon them. Good evening,

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for years, campaigners of various sorts tried to use the Olympics to

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make a political point. Next week on the eve. The Games, PCS the

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union representing border officers, and representative staff are in a

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long standing strike about rows. Thousands of travellers expected

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that day, there's potential of chaos at the start of what should

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be one of the greatest sporting events everyone witnessed. But is

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the union following others in senting a good day to make a point

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or as the union suggests is will no attempt to disrupt the Games.

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up Sod's Law in the dictionary and it says if someone can go wrong and

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turn out inappropriately it will. Just ask this Government t could

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stand for Serwotka's Olympic Disaster Scheme scheme, striking

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border guards on potentially the busiest day in Heathrow, could

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leave the coalition more red-faced on the biggest stage of them all.

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First it was the weather, torrential rain so unseasonal it

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threatened to extinguish the Olympics flame. Then athletes on

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four hours of bus journeys using games less. And G4, lots of staff

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haven't turned up to work, leaving it to the army and police which

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haven't yet been outsourced. But G4 is over a crate of champagne, to

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deflecting the public's wrath on them on to border staff. I hope the

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people understand the issues, because I hope they struggle to

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understand why for 18 months the Government refused to ingauge on

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any of the issues. I hope they'd understand one day of disruption is

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regrettable but better than having 365 days a year, where people are

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comeing to this country and queuing for three or four years, where they

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can't get a passport or proper service. The backlash has been

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swift and angry. Well I think that is shameful, frankly, they are

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holding a strike on what is the key days for people coming into this

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country, for the Olympic Games. think the immigration officers are

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deeply patriotic but to threaten us is totally inappropriate. The mayor

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was adopting a comecal alley stance. I don't think they'll succeed in

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disrupting the Olympics. Ironically it was Boris Johnson who agreed to

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massive payoffs to avoid strikes in the Olympics. Tube drivers are

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getting �750 on top of the usual overtime payments and robust

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salaries. London bus drivers secured an extra �577 for their

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workload, while Heathrow Express drivers negotiateed �700. The

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Docklands light rail stach will be getting �900 even though they don't

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have any drivers. 450 ASLEF workers will still be going out on strike

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between August 67th and 8th in a disput over pension contributions.

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On an ordinary summer's day, Heathrow can process up to 100,000

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passports. But July, 6th is no ordinary day. It is potentially the

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airport's busiest ever, as thousands of extra athletes,

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dignitaries and ordinary passengers, arrive ahead of the Olympics

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Opening Ceremony. The US Border Agency say they've trained up 500

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staff to help out and that things went smoothly, the last time there

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was a strike, two months ago. Then there's the issue of strike

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ballots, 20% border staff took part in a bat lot, meaning 11% voted for

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the walkout. With issues like this, may force the balloting laws back

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in the agenda. We're joined by Liverpool, by Paul O'Connor, Mr

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O'Connor why is your union trying to disrupt the Olympics? We're not

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trying to disrupt the Olympics. These are issues live for a long

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time. Sorry, excuse me, they have been for a long time, so you could

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have picked any day, any of the 365 days to have this action, you know

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it will cause maximum disruption? We table the demands to the

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Government and employer 18 months ago, since that date, they've done

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nothing, they've been intransigent in the extreme. What they've been

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engaged is a further staff... are going to disrupt. Chaos at the

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borders and passport officers, this is the shambles the Government is

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presiding over. You are prepared to disrupt the Olympics for 18 months

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they haven't talked to you, that's why? This isn't about the Olympics

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for us. It is for all the people arriving. This is a disrut going on

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for 18 months, our members are clear this is a plan, that could go

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on, until the Autumn, there could be action. You could have action

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then. So you don't need action next week. The problem is the Government

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is whipping up hysteria around the Olympics. It seemed to have woken

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up to the fact the issues are on the table. Jobs are going, chaos at

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the borders and it needs sorting out. Which I'm ready to negotiate a

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settlement with them, all they need to do is come to the table rather

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engaging in this damaging talk. don't think in any way it damages

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your case, serious case about jobs and conditions, that on the biggest

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sporting event most of us have ever witnessed, when people are coming

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to this country and we want to put on a good show, one in ten members

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voted in favour of this, and you think you have a man date to

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disrupt the Olympics? We have been making our case for 18 months, it

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is the Government that is intransigent in the negotiations.

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They need to come to the table with us, over the next week. We don't

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want to see a strike go ahead there. Is time to avoid that. But the

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Government needs to negotiate, seriously on the issues that matter.

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Which is public service delivery, that the people of this country

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deserve, 365 days a year. So it is blackmail really? It is not

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blackmail at all. Our members care very, very profoundly about the

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public services, they deliver, they want safe and secure borders. They

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want people to be able to go in a passport office and not be told in

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London they need a appointment in Belfast. It is in the Government's

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best interests to man and staff those public services, properly,

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and they need to come to the table and negotiate with us. Thank you

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very much. Damian Green, why have you been caught up with this

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hysteria, when Boris Johnson is saying it won't disrupt the

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Olympics at all? I'm not caught up with hysteria at all. I had a

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meeting with Paul two weeks ago, he sat opposite across my table,

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talking to me. But he didn't get anywhere? Our officials at the hofs

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is negotiating all the time. That line is wrong. The most important

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thing is PCS members don't want the strike to happen. Some do, the

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majority who voted. Seven out of eight didn't vote for a strike,

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they don't want to go on strike, as Jeremy Hunt said they're patriotic

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and care about the reputation of the country, it is a small group in

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the leadership, that is behaving disgracefully, trying to make

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capital out of the Olympics, when it should be a great celebration.

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Will it result in a mess? It need not to, we called two strikes in

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the past year, which haven't caused too much disruption to Heathrow.

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And, as, the report said, we have got continge Genesis in place.

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is the contingency Olympics. You have the volunteers and army. It is

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not the professionals. We trained people for months, we've got 500 of

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them extra working at the borders,00 at Heathrow. And anyone

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who is travelling through Heathrow knows, it is working extremely

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smoothly, it is a huge success the operation at Heathrow. The big

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bulge of people arriving hasn't happened and it will happen that

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day. You can't guarantee next Thursday will be a big problem?

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don't know, what level, first of all of people from the PCS will go

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on strike, I hope they don't. They're not enthusiastic for this

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strike. Members of other unions won't be striking and we do have a

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large number of civil servants from other parts of Whitehall already

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trained and working there. Why did the Home Secretary tell us that she

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first became aware the G4 fiasco on July 211th and she knew two weeks

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earlier? What happened on 27th of June, G4 said they were behind and

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confident they would, have the numbers they promotioned, it was

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only on July 11th that G4 said we're not going to get the numbers

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we wanted, which plans that had been put in place in advance were

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put into action. The chairman of the Home Affairs Select Committee

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isn't taking that view, and says there must be concerns, because 75

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personnel were deployed. G4 came to the Government and said we might

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not make our numbers. The Government sensibly said, OK, fine,

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let's make sure we've got military Pec knell in reserve. It wasn't the

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first you knew about it, the 11th of July. It crystalised on July 119.

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What they were saying up to then, is they were going to make their

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numbers, they will make it up, what happened on July 11, is G4 said

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they're not going to make their numbers. What will make to the

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amendment fee, what will happen to what they're paid, how much will

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the taxpayer be paying? That will be sorting out after the Olympics.

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They have already the 57 million. There will clearly need to be a big

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investigation into what happened inside G4S. You might want to claw

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some money back? That will happen after the Olympics. Thank you very

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much. Now, there's the beginings of a humanitarian catastrophe in one

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of the countries touched of the Arab Spring. Yemen has been racked

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by political turmoil. Millions are going hungry and worse. According

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to the United Nations, nearly half the population, on ten million

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people have limited or no access to sufficient food and 47% of children

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under five years old are malnurished. The worse area is in

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the west of the country. The face This baby is clinging to

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consciousness, barely clinging to life. A one-year-old who weighs as

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much as a newborn baby. You don't need the scales to know

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this child needs help, now. Like so many young victims of Yemen's

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hunger epidemic, his health is failing, he is rushed to the ward.

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He is struggling to breathe, his body weakened by chronic

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TRANSLATION: There are a lot of cases, a lot of cases. Yes they

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really are in danger of dying. the next bed, Marem another of the

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250 million children who are so malnurished, they could die. So we

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head out into a country which has a long history of poverty and

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hardship. What's happening today away from the eyes of the outside

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world, is something different. In the remote village, the evidence is

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And as always, it is the very youngest in this tiny community who

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are the most vulnerable. The most at risk. For this woman, watching

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her eighth month old suffer is agony.

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TRANSLATION: I'm really scared. I would die if it he dies.

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I'm sick with worry, it makes me so sad to see my son in pain.

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Little Abdullah is typical of so many of the kids we've been seeing.

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His arms there's no body fat on him at all. And the reason is

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absolutely a simple one, the mums are telling us, they just don't

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have enough food in their homes to keep their children healthy. And in

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some cases to keep kids like Abdullah, alive. I go to visit

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Abdullah's family, it is clear they're dirt poor. Is it OK to come

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This cramped place is where six people live and two children have

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died of malnutrition. Across generations hunger is part of what

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passes for daily life. If tonight they look and there's no food, what

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can they do?. TRANSLATION: We sleep and we pray.

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What else can we do? Force God to feed us, so we sleep. On the edge

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of the village the graves of Abdullah a's brother and sister,

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just a few rocks and soon it will be hard to tell there's anything

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here at all. But there will be more graves in villages across Yemen.

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That's what these mothers are desperate to prevent. They crowd

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into the sweltering district hospital looking for food, looking

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for medicine. In a country, where poverty is regarded as shameful,

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where women are veiled and withdrawn, the mothers here surgeon

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forward holding up their emaciated babies. This may not look like the

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classic images we see from trick Africa but what better illustration

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there is hunger here and now in this country. There is some help

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here, but not enough. Last week, supplies of specialist baby food

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ran out. There was no money for fuel to pick up more. The aid

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operation, such as it is, is running on empty. You're a doctor,

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it is your job to look after children, does this make you sad

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and angry? TRANSLATION: Very sad and very

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angry. TRANSLATION: I never imagine we

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would face a crisis like this, and it is only getting worse. Why does

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it make you angry? TRANSLATION: Because we can't help

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all of them. What we can do is really limited. We can't reach all

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the poor people. We don't have the support, it makes us sad and

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ashamed. What's hard to deal with here, is that just down the road

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from the hospital there is food. But prices have gone through the

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roof and still rising. The poor, simply can't afford it. Imagine,

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having to walk past all of this, while your child is at home,

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desperately hungry. Ask anyone here, old or young, what's driving the

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hung hunger, and they'll hell you it is poverty. For some this is a

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solution of sorts. Oxfam has a programme of cash

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handouts. The heat may be off the scale, you may have to wait in line

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for hours, but really, there's not much else to do for farm workers

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when crops have failed. If you don't get this money, is there any

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other way of getting income, have you any other way of getting money?

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TRANSLATION: No. If there's rain we can work, otherwise, there's no

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work. For so many, this is the last, the only option. And the rains

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haven't come. April's harvest was a disaster, and

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that was a severe limit on Yemen's capacity for self-help. It is true,

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that not all of the productive land in this impoverished country is

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used to produce food. Instead, they choose to grow this stuff, Kat, a

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narcotic leaf that is chewed daily by every adult in Yemen. Is it good,

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do you chew it? The whole thing. It is an acquireed taste. Along

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with Islam, it is at the centre of the culture, millions of bags of it

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are solid every day Akmed is a huge Khat fan, and says he spends more

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money on it than food. What does your wife says? She chews too, he

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tells me. They say it is a way of life, would be an understatement.

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Amid the hunger and desperation, everyone here is still chewing Some

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things here then, remain constant. But these are also times of

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upheaval, turmoil and change. The Yemeni Arab Spring shifted the

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political landscape and delivered the first new President in more

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than three decades. It was hardly a revolution and hardly a happy

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ending. Hunger levels have doubleed but the new Government is more

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The battle is on. These troops training to take on the Islamist

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mill tapts, many who are foreign fighters, arriving in Yemen, after

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driven out of former strongholds. The new recruits are part of the

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military bolstered by American funding and training.

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But the money spent on this, must surely mean there's less to tackle

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chronic malnutrition Military commanders, insist, there's no

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choice. TRANSLATION: We have to focus all

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our efficiencies on safety and security in Yemen, because that

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will solve the economic problems. If we don't secure the country,

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nothing will improve and the suffering and starvation will get

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worse. Security first. Which leaves the hungry, still hungry. And with

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hardly any good news on the horizon. The next harvest is months away,

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the international aid agencies, struggling to raise funds. And in

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the middle of it all, this baby, for him help can't arrive soon

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enough. TRANSLATION: If he lives he lives,

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if he dies, what can I do, I've tried my best, I've done he was I

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can for his health. I can't afford to do more, now it is in the hands

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of the Gods. The Conservative Government unveiled the list of

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candidates for the new role of police commissioners. Labour

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candidates have been put into the same jobs. All of England and Wales

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will get the chance to vote are to The Commissioner, some critics fear

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politiciseed figures, whose arrival won't do any to help crime. First

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our political editor reports from The blue line is struggling not to

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get thinner, squeezed by budget cuts and soon to be tuged by a new

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musclar hand. In the Autumn there will be big election toss a new

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position - chief puller of the thin blue line. But, sheriffs are not

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the talk of Nottingham town. There are electionness November, you know

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about them? Yes. What are they for? I don't know. It doesn't really, it

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is not really something I think about to be fair. It is for a new

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police chaefs? I didn't know about that. You not heard of elections in

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November? Not really. It is not the talk of Nottingham town, and the

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man currently its most senior police officer knows it.

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We walked along that street now, do you think Butching into any

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stranger if they knew about the elections, would they knew? Current

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awareness of the police and crime police officer process isn't what

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it might be, that is considered and looked at within Government and

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decisions how to deal with that. I'm sure they will do so. This man

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is Chief Constable of Nottinghamshire, he is accountable

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to the Police Authority but after the election, that accountability

:24:29.:24:33.

becomes to another individual, perhaps with little or no policing

:24:33.:24:37.

experience, but whose diverting manifesto won them election, and so

:24:37.:24:42.

the area of policing budget. For the Chief Constable, a group of

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bosses has become one. Police and crime commissioners, write the plan,

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chief constables figure out how to implement it. The people who go for

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the pail, saying having one individual makes the difference?

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will see that when it comes in. I understand the argument, I've seen

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the arguments on both sides, I appreciate the strength of

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arguments present by all-party, prospectus that comes around it,

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from my prospective, the debate has stopped, the Government has spoken,

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we have an election process, my job is make sure it works. Whoever she

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and he is, I will work with. There is no model to look for, it is the

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same as and so it will work as well. Today, Theresa May launched the

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Conservatives' candidates. Police authorities are invisible to the

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public. Most people don't even know they exist, let alone who does the

:25:38.:25:42.

job. Instead, police and crime commissioners, will be highly

:25:42.:25:46.

visible, chosen directly by the people, and accountable to the

:25:46.:25:50.

people The success of the people elected police and crime

:25:50.:25:53.

commissioners will also reflect on the Prime Minister. Was he able to

:25:53.:25:57.

attract the calibre of person to a role that is close to his heart?

:25:57.:26:00.

Many of the ideas championed within Government, don't think right now,

:26:00.:26:05.

the Prime Minister, has put his full heft behind it. So, in

:26:05.:26:09.

November, and close to bomb fire night, what is supposed to be a Big

:26:09.:26:13.

Bang of accountability, might end up being like a firework left out

:26:13.:26:19.

in the summer downpours. Which is why the premium is on

:26:19.:26:23.

quality, and funds are asked for to raise the profile. They have until

:26:23.:26:27.

October to up the quality, so people, think the turnout. We'll

:26:28.:26:32.

see a variety of policing varieties, set up and down the country, by

:26:32.:26:35.

locally elected police and crime commissioners. In one part of the

:26:35.:26:40.

country, gang crime may be the main problem. Elsewhere, it may be

:26:40.:26:45.

burglary, or antisocial behaviour or rural crime or street robberies

:26:45.:26:52.

or drug related crime or drink related crime. Police and crime

:26:52.:26:56.

commissioners, we can have the full set. A few years ago, in this area

:26:56.:27:01.

here, there was a drive-by shooting, and there was a murder. And that is

:27:01.:27:06.

the sort of experience that people over here, have to deal with, quite

:27:06.:27:10.

oven. Don't you think anyone who runs to be a PCC knows they need to

:27:10.:27:14.

deal with murder, why do they need to live with murder on their

:27:14.:27:18.

doorstep to get it? In order to find solutions, one has to get

:27:18.:27:22.

close to the communities, to find out how best they can deal with it.

:27:22.:27:25.

If you're living somewhere in the outer sticks in a rural area, you

:27:25.:27:30.

got no experience of places like inner-city Nottingham, where we

:27:30.:27:36.

have, drugs, gang crime, we have murders, we have gun-related crime.

:27:36.:27:43.

My argument is what have you got, or bringing to the table?

:27:43.:27:48.

police hope they reached the end of the year, still faithful to their

:27:48.:27:53.

founder, Sir Robert's peel, that officers should not panneder to

:27:53.:27:58.

public opinion. Peel had a hand in creating, the officers, are under

:27:58.:28:02.

pressure to make sure crime commissioners are not elected on a

:28:02.:28:09.

low turnout. It hangs by a thin lead. The former Deputy Prime

:28:09.:28:17.

Minister, Lord Prescott is here, and Ian Johnston is standing an an

:28:17.:28:20.

independent, and Sir Hugh Orde is President of the Association of

:28:20.:28:23.

Chief Police Officers. You thought the reforms were a bad idea

:28:23.:28:28.

originally, why are you standing Yes I think they were a bad idea,

:28:28.:28:31.

because I'm afraid police and politics don't mix in my view.

:28:31.:28:35.

However, having said that, the Government of the day, has spoken.

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We are going to have police and crime commissioners, and

:28:40.:28:43.

independent candidates with the right background, can ensure that

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politics doesn't, spoil a way we police in this country. Is it more

:28:46.:28:50.

difficult for you, because you don't have party political backing,

:28:50.:28:54.

no apparatus to get on with this? There are two ways of looking at it,

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in terms of funding and organising it, it is incredibly difficult as

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an independent. The public have spoken in recent polls, and quite

:29:04.:29:08.

frankly, they've said they're fed up with politicians, 7% think the

:29:08.:29:14.

politicians would make a good police and crime commissioner, 6%:.

:29:14.:29:18.

They shouldn't be disqualified. They're excellent politicians.

:29:18.:29:21.

you Seymour yirt in the argument that politics and police shouldn't

:29:21.:29:26.

mix, it is difficult for good independence, a couple of people.

:29:26.:29:32.

We voted against this, because we sooner kept the police rather the

:29:32.:29:37.

expense of an election, in October, very few people know about it, and

:29:37.:29:41.

very few people will vote. There are to be that vote and we will

:29:41.:29:45.

take part. Whether it is a politician or policeman, in all the

:29:45.:29:48.

candidates in both party, they have a combination, some politicianss

:29:48.:29:52.

some ex-police people, they play that part. But, you know, there are

:29:52.:29:56.

two separate functions here, the Chief Constable's job is to get on

:29:56.:30:00.

with the job and implement the policy. What this policy is saying,

:30:00.:30:04.

the community should decide the priorities of those policies, that

:30:04.:30:07.

means you need a community voice. That's what the commissioners are

:30:07.:30:13.

about, how do you develop that view? Is a politician a good

:30:13.:30:17.

community voice, or better to have somebody who has experience of the

:30:17.:30:21.

police force? And keep the political parties out of it A Chief

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Constable said to me, we don't like politicians, Robert peel was a

:30:25.:30:29.

politician three times a Prime Minister, so, basically, the

:30:29.:30:33.

politician, we brought in the policy of community policing, it

:30:33.:30:36.

wasn't policing, it wasn't liked by the police, they told us they

:30:36.:30:42.

didn't like it. It is a xinks, policy was policies by discussion,

:30:42.:30:48.

imp theed by the police, you do separate them, let the politicians

:30:48.:30:52.

and people who become commissioners, Voice of the community. Do you

:30:52.:30:58.

think most police officers care one way or the other, presumably you

:30:58.:31:02.

work with civil control you work with, but I'm sure they weren't

:31:02.:31:07.

beating on the door a for the change? It is entirely right and

:31:07.:31:11.

proper, how they're held to account. Service has to have clarity how

:31:11.:31:17.

this will work. These gentlemen have been talking about local

:31:17.:31:23.

policing, chief police officers are responsible for right up to things

:31:23.:31:28.

like Olympics, riots last year, cyber crime, drug dealing, it is

:31:28.:31:32.

better dealt nationallyly by linked with the local service. It is the

:31:32.:31:36.

continueium that is critical. do you worry about, there's a lack

:31:36.:31:40.

of clarity, you're not sure, exactly how it works, you're trying

:31:40.:31:45.

to make it work but not sure? secured a clear, unequivocal

:31:45.:31:48.

agreement, that operationally independent chiefs will deliver the

:31:48.:31:52.

service, held to account by police and crime commissioners. So it is a

:31:52.:31:57.

clear distinction there. But difficulty becomes, stark, when for

:31:57.:32:01.

example we have to mobilise across the country. If every police and

:32:01.:32:05.

crime commissioner, does not sign up to the national agreement is, we

:32:05.:32:09.

have severe difficulty in times of severe crisis. I can imagine

:32:09.:32:13.

somebody in Gwent responding to the local community, saying, actually

:32:13.:32:16.

what we're interested in is burglary or whatever the particular

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thing is there, and the national priority which is different, no, we

:32:19.:32:23.

need your officers to do something else, there could be an obvious

:32:23.:32:27.

tension there, if you were the face of the police in Gwent? That

:32:27.:32:31.

tension is there, and we've experienced it, in the last week,

:32:31.:32:37.

when we needed more officers, to replace the G4 staff, who decided

:32:37.:32:43.

not to turn up for whatever reason. And Chief Constable said, we

:32:43.:32:48.

recognise the national need as well as the local need. If you were

:32:48.:32:54.

elected you may be responsive to what local people say, in a day

:32:54.:32:59.

wairch way to a Chief Constable? That's why the newly elected, PCCs

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may need to know what the national call is as well. My fear is, and

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there's disript to Lord Prescott, there's a danger, for the last two

:33:08.:33:14.

years, for any term of office, some PCCs will be concerned with re-

:33:14.:33:18.

elected instead of getting on with it. That's community. That person

:33:18.:33:22.

on The Commissioner, we didn't agree with the policy, we want to

:33:22.:33:26.

convince the community he's acting in their interest. Let's be hear,

:33:26.:33:34.

the implementation of the policy, whether it is for the Olympics, or

:33:34.:33:39.

the collapsing, G4 is, we're not challenging, that, although we

:33:39.:33:45.

worry the new crime agency, brought in, the abolition of the

:33:45.:33:48.

appropriate coprincipal seems the Government is strengthening its own

:33:48.:33:50.

position and not takeing into account the community so. There

:33:50.:33:54.

will be a bit of tension, bound to be when you have it, but we'll have

:33:55.:34:00.

to see how it works. I believe a good policeman who, could work as

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commissioner, or policeman, as it may be their responsibility. The

:34:04.:34:08.

two can be distinct. The liebs have to be clear, but let's be clear, it

:34:08.:34:14.

is not too clear in the past, in some things the role of the Chief

:34:14.:34:20.

Constable. Would you like a local face, that is responsible, you

:34:20.:34:24.

could go to for strategic guidance, as you sort out what the

:34:24.:34:27.

operational priorities, and say we need more people or whatever it is,

:34:27.:34:32.

your priorities happen to be? strength of police service is it is

:34:32.:34:39.

rooted in community, and every police officer is signed up to

:34:39.:34:43.

local commuting. They speak to the police authorities and many play

:34:43.:34:47.

add critical role, calming down the communities because they knew them.

:34:47.:34:51.

They will have to build a new relationship with a individual.

:34:51.:34:56.

police officers, he is the power, he has the arrest powers, those who

:34:56.:34:59.

are the community police, were opposed by the police and community,

:34:59.:35:03.

but now work with it, because it is shown, it is improved the

:35:03.:35:07.

relationship between the police and the community. And we're all

:35:07.:35:15.

working that together. That goes back to 1829, established by Robert

:35:15.:35:22.

Peel. The healthy tension will be around how you deploy the shrinking

:35:22.:35:25.

resource we have, that's why we have to collaborate and work

:35:25.:35:29.

closely together and transform policing so we can maintain front

:35:29.:35:37.

line service. Taken over by G4 is. Do you think

:35:37.:35:40.

people, clearly we care about law and order, but do you think people

:35:40.:35:45.

will turn out to vote? It is difficult. We're looking at 15%, 0%

:35:45.:35:48.

tops, and we need greater help from the Government and greater help

:35:48.:35:54.

from the media to get people out. Democracy, it chooses in November,

:35:54.:35:57.

which everyone says is the worst time to have an election, it is not

:35:57.:36:01.

providing the information about the candidates which every candidate in

:36:01.:36:05.

other elections normally get. They're makeing it difficult. Any

:36:05.:36:10.

independence got to find �5,000 for the deposit, so have we, we're not

:36:10.:36:14.

getting money from the party, we have to find it out, we have the

:36:14.:36:18.

same difficulties as you as taking part. On that moment, we'll leave

:36:18.:36:21.

it there. Now, here's a list of banned words,

:36:21.:36:28.

none of which happens to be the F word, Olympics, Olympian, Games,

:36:28.:36:35.

2012, 201. Using the law, using thoo words in advertise something

:36:35.:36:41.

forbidden without the permission of organisers, LOCOG. It is hardly

:36:41.:36:44.

surprising what people want to cash in what will be the biggest

:36:44.:36:49.

opportunity in the summer. We have been investigating whether that

:36:49.:36:59.
:36:59.:37:04.

Nobody messes with the Olympic brands.

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We're getting in on the act too. Hold it Grahams, just one second,

:37:10.:37:16.

that's beautiful, but do you mind popping this on for us. It is

:37:16.:37:26.
:37:26.:37:28.

That's a nice look for you. If Big Grey here were to lose

:37:28.:37:33.

concentration for a moment, the rings he's juggleling could

:37:33.:37:38.

inadvertently fall into a well known configuration, and Seb Coe

:37:38.:37:45.

could be shutting down this report before you know it. Look what

:37:45.:37:51.

happened is, a party North website, run by the Duchess Cambridge's

:37:51.:37:59.

family, came under fire. Were the Middletons coming in under fire for

:37:59.:38:02.

the Olympics. You build your business up, through nothing from

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the sweat of your brow, and then the Olympics come along, now any

:38:11.:38:17.

half decent entrepreneur might think, this is a time to offer

:38:17.:38:22.

people tomorrow at that time, amean quality products s that a crime.

:38:22.:38:27.

would be concerned about it. The one thing that Trading Standards

:38:28.:38:31.

and LOCOG are most interested in are references toss the rings. And

:38:31.:38:37.

I think, I've only seen a couple of snaps, but the snaps I've seen

:38:37.:38:42.

references the ring, not the specific five-ring device, but

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certainly eludes to that. How are we fixed ourselves, if we entertain

:38:48.:38:55.

the viewers with a juggle letter? You may be OK, because it is not

:38:55.:39:00.

for commercial gain. The Middleton example, are using references toss

:39:00.:39:04.

the rings, possibly, to create further sales. Your juggle letter

:39:04.:39:10.

is here to entertain, so there wouldn't be a commercial connection.

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LOCOG said they have no issue with the Middletons products, no

:39:15.:39:19.

infringement has taken place, says a spokeswoman. But we may have to

:39:19.:39:23.

ask them to make a tweak to the copy. The Culture Secretary was

:39:23.:39:27.

relaxed. He claimed to notice only modest branding where the Games

:39:27.:39:32.

were concerned. The Olympics, does more than pretty much any other

:39:32.:39:36.

international sports event to reduce branding. It is the only

:39:37.:39:40.

event which doesn't allow commercial branding inside sports

:39:40.:39:45.

venues, and sponsors, who have been a bit maligned recently, are

:39:45.:39:52.

playing for half the cost of hosting the Games in London. Games,

:39:52.:40:02.

2012: Apparently inknock with us words, read for us by Radio 4's

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Corrie could fall foul for combinations for so-called ambush

:40:08.:40:17.

marketing. # You can't touch this #

:40:17.:40:24.

So here's how the classic account are f of the ancient Olympic Games,

:40:24.:40:34.
:40:34.:40:49.

would sound today as reacted under Newsnight the programme that

:40:49.:40:54.

censureed. We asked as we do on a daily basis if LOCOG in charge of

:40:54.:41:01.

running the Olympics want to come and speak to us about running the

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Olympics, but like Usain Bolt they keep running away. Here we have

:41:06.:41:13.

Clegg Clegg, and Kate Robertson chair of the international

:41:13.:41:19.

advertising firm, Euro RSCG. What do you think is the problem here?

:41:19.:41:23.

do understand that brands have to be protected, that the rings, and

:41:23.:41:26.

the Olympics assets have to be looked after. That the money of the

:41:26.:41:30.

sponsors is huge. What I think is a problem, that is there's an

:41:30.:41:34.

unimaginative approach to this. The rules are old, you know they are.

:41:34.:41:39.

They are very, very rigid. Consumers are not idiots, in the

:41:39.:41:43.

social media world, there are lots of things that could be done

:41:43.:41:51.

differently. There are 101 ideas. The thing that's wrong is

:41:51.:41:55.

understanding enthusiastic stic policing bit. Sometimes and a lot

:41:55.:41:59.

of the stuff around the Olympics for the sponsor brands and Olympics

:41:59.:42:05.

brand are actually harming both. And then I think that's imaginative

:42:05.:42:09.

and stupid. Do you take the point that some of this seems to be silly

:42:09.:42:14.

and makes a little bit of the leadup of the Games silly. Perhaps

:42:14.:42:20.

we forget after they start but it seems odd, McDonald chip police

:42:20.:42:25.

come out and say you can't call it chips, that's the coverage you're

:42:25.:42:29.

getting? It is all to do with the spwrerms of the law. They want a

:42:29.:42:37.

degree of grainous in the law, - greyness in the law, you get black

:42:37.:42:44.

and white. There have been some in the country who have over zealous,

:42:44.:42:48.

there would be no Olympic Games without the sponsors. As part of

:42:48.:42:54.

the bidding progress, we needed legally binding, unlimited

:42:54.:42:58.

guarantee for the staging of the Games, so the British taxpayer

:42:58.:43:02.

would fund any shortfall, if LOCOG is unable to deliver the

:43:02.:43:05.

substantial money they need to raise. People will understand that.

:43:05.:43:09.

But they need to understand a corner shop, with rings in the

:43:09.:43:14.

window, celebrating this national event is not going to bring down

:43:14.:43:17.

Coca-Cola? That's fair, it is when people are trying to make profit,

:43:17.:43:21.

commercial gain out of the Games when they have not invested money

:43:21.:43:26.

into supporting the Games in the first instance. LOCOG want to

:43:26.:43:31.

celebrate the Olympic Games but it's got absolutely rightly and

:43:31.:43:34.

properly to protect the commercial interest fundsing the Games.

:43:34.:43:39.

seem to be imemploying they're not doing that, it could back fire?

:43:39.:43:43.

is clearly back firing, I tell you what is wrong in the corner shop

:43:43.:43:50.

example, is it is tough for the Games and big sponsors who put in

:43:50.:43:55.

millions to think, OK, now these precious Olympic assets could be

:43:55.:44:02.

used by God only knows who. So, at some point I would see LOCOG seems

:44:02.:44:10.

to be IOC first, you know why, why can't a corner shop, who wants to

:44:10.:44:16.

say, yea, London welcomes the Games, have the stuff, and if you want to,

:44:16.:44:21.

say underNeath, thank you to all the Olympic part nerts, and they

:44:21.:44:25.

allowed this. It is a pain in the neck, because you have to vet those.

:44:25.:44:30.

But it back fires, and gets worse, when you get into the Olympics

:44:30.:44:37.

assets and the big sponsors. So the visa exclues sift lock down is

:44:37.:44:41.

insane for the visa brand. It is bad for visa. Everybody hates them.

:44:41.:44:51.
:44:51.:44:52.

Because you get there, and you go oh. We've seen commercial creep,

:44:52.:44:56.

over various owe limb pee yads, four year periods, commercial creep

:44:56.:45:01.

to ensure there is clear blue waert between the individuals sponsors.

:45:01.:45:05.

And those rights need to be protected, not only for the future

:45:05.:45:11.

of the Games, but because of the staging of the Games in London for

:45:11.:45:15.

the British taxpayer. There's the British sense of humour, saying you

:45:15.:45:25.
:45:25.:45:28.

can't buy British beer, you have to buy behind Ken beer. - behind kin

:45:28.:45:33.

beer. If you paid �40-50 million on the rights, you want a return on

:45:33.:45:38.

the rights. This is the way it works. It is not a return on the

:45:38.:45:41.

investment, and you know Y because that's such an expensive

:45:41.:45:47.

sponsorship and lots of money, it is not about the behind kin or

:45:47.:45:52.

Coca-Cola or McDonald's or visa useage in the park during the two

:45:52.:45:55.

weeks. It is about the global impact on the brand and on the

:45:55.:46:03.

brand is not good. So, those contracts need to be looked at,

:46:03.:46:10.

each one and Madgeive solutions come up with. McDonald's should

:46:10.:46:14.

support local food traders. There's room for more imagination? There is

:46:14.:46:18.

that scope. But I recognise that people want to play in the grey

:46:18.:46:22.

area, because you get in there, people will abuse it. So it has to

:46:22.:46:27.

be black and white. That's all from us, we want us to leave news from

:46:27.:46:32.

north corea, where you might thought being supreme leader was

:46:32.:46:38.

big enough. But now another accolade has been declared on Kim

:46:38.:46:42.

Jong Un, naturally thousands of troops expressed their genuine

:46:42.:46:52.
:46:52.:46:55.

delight. Here they are accompanied by the track, Excellent Horse-Like

:46:55.:47:03.

Lady Hyoth Song-wol wol, who is supposedly his girl frepd. Good

:47:03.:47:13.
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Still showers to come on Friday, stl start the day dry and bright.

:47:32.:47:36.

But central and southern parts of England, this is where showers get

:47:36.:47:40.

going. Brighter conditions across the north. Things should improve

:47:40.:47:44.

for the golfers after a wet start. But threat of storms, in and around

:47:44.:47:50.

the Oval area, but those afternoon storms across the Midlands, central,

:47:50.:47:55.

southern and South Eastern England that could cause problems. Light

:47:55.:48:00.

showers here, many will stay dry and sunny throughout. Mid-to high

:48:00.:48:05.

teens across southern and western Wales, but should stay dry.

:48:05.:48:09.

Isolated light showers, eastern and Northern Ireland. Chilly start in

:48:09.:48:13.

Scotland, but fewer showers to come, with Friday, compared to Thursday,

:48:13.:48:17.

and most will see spells of sunshine. Difference between Friday

:48:17.:48:21.

and sat, well there's going to be two-fold. Slight increase in

:48:21.:48:25.

temperature and brightening of the skies. We will see sunshine develop,

:48:25.:48:31.