31/08/2012 Newsnight


31/08/2012

With Mishal Husain. GSCEs in January were easier than in June; the regulator explains why that is OK. Why are Russian billionaires fighting in English courts?


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Anyone hoping for a better grade in their GCSE English this summer,

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tough, you are stuck with your result, even though we know, six

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months before you would have had an easier ride. The exam regulators

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agree GCSEs were marked less generously than in January. They

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are not about to do anything to placate students or teachers.

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make as mock reeft league tables, they are meaningless, unless you

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know when schools entered their students for GCSE. The Chief

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Regulator at Ofqual will explain why it is OK for some students to

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get lucky. The man who decided to fight his

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domestic feud in front of a judge. Too bad she didn't see her way.

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Today she tried to rewrite Russian history, it is not allowed by an

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English judge in a court. Debate whether the English courts got it

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wrong. Why is London the place for legal battles, entirely about

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Russia. The exam regulator has dashed hopes

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that English GCSEs from this summer might be revisited, despite a huge

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outcry over thousands of students in England who did worse than

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expected. Ofqual admitted today that June's exams were marked more

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harshly than the same exam taken in January. But said today, that's

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life, the January candidates got a lucky break. The problem is,

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thousands of 16-year-olds are seeing their plans for the future

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thrown into the balance. And are wishing they were in the small

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percentage of those who had gone into the exams six months earlier.

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In the row over GCSE grading, today was the turn of the exam regulator

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to offer its submission. And answer question 1, what, if anything had

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gone wrong? The job we have to do is to make sure that standards are

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maintained and standards are right. We know that was the case in June,

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we can see that in January there was a level of generosity, a very

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small number of students there got a lucky break. No lucky break at

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Burlington Danes, one of the education secretary's favourite

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academies. Student took the exam in June, the school's senior teachers

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saw the number of those getting five good GCSEs fall from 75% last

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year to 64%. I'm not in a position to judge whether the grade

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boundaries were too generous in January. All I know is it is not

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fair. I felt sick, actually, when I got the results. I was so shocked

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on the day the English results came in, I can really remember my

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feeling on that day, when we just, when D after D after D came out on

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the results. I couldn't believe it. We were in a total state of shock.

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For the first time, since 1988, the percentage of pupils getting A*-C

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in English language fell from 65.4% to 63.9% this summer. This year's

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English GCSE was a new exam, part marked in schools, part by Exam

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Boards. In March it emerged to get a C grade on the AQA foundation

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paper, that some students sat in January, required 43 mark, teachers

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worked on this basis, last week we learned that boundary had shifted

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for the June exams, up to 53 marks, and boundaries were raised for

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course work too, and other boards. We are happy with grade boundaries

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changing between years, but not within the same year. I think

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that's been the issue. It's been particularly with the control

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assessments, or the work done in school, where a piece of work is

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worth a C in January, and a D in June. That is where it seems

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completely unfair. That's for exactly the same piece of work?

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It is important to be clear that, as a school, we want to raise

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standards, and we want exams to become more difficult, more

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rigorous exam criteria, we strive for students to do better and

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better. However, it just feels that you're differentiating between a

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point of entry, if a child was entered in January, as many schools

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did early entry, they will achieve better grades than students entered

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at the end of the year. Because Ofqual wants to end grade inflation,

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it said exam results, or outcomes, must be comparable with those of

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previous years. That's hard to do with a new partly modular test,

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where students have done some assessments in spring, and got

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those grades, and then done a final exam. The whole comparable outcomes

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approach is based on, essentially, rationing the number of top grades.

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And you can only do that once you see the full picture of every

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candidate's performance. And the problem is, with a modular system,

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you don't see all that until the end, but you have already awarded

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some of the grades on the way. So, I think it is pretty hard to do

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that without some kind of adjustment like what we have seen,

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you would hope it wouldn't be quite on the scale we have seen, but I

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don't think it's really credible that you can get rid of it all

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together. If you are a victim of this adjustment, it is hard to

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understand. It is pretty clear that it is not us that's really the

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problem. It is mainly because they have suddenly changed the grade

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boundaries and marked us down. Someone could have missed a C by

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one mark. Like you? Yes, but someone who did it in January could

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have got a C by one mark, but they got the same marks as me. Ofqual's

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deseffectively rewards schools that put pupils in early to -- Ofqual's

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deseffectively rewards schools that put pupils in early for exams.

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Ironically Michael Gove says he wants this to end, he wants all

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students sitting an exam in summer. There is a basic issue of fairness

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here, that calls into question the credibility of the way the system

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is being run. It cannot be right you will have two students with

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similar quality of work, one of who's work is put in January and

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they get a C, another who puts it in the summer and they get a D.

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This effects life chances, and the ability to go on to college and

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sixth form. It makes comparisons between schools much less

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meaningful than they normally are. Schools are judged on different

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sets of grade boundaries. It makes a mockery of the league tables?

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does. They become meaningless, you know when a school entered children

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for GCSE in English. Ofqual is offering resits. Head teachers are

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furious, and the inquiry is offer, and still threatening legal action.

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In our Birmingham studio know is the Chief Regulator of Ofqual

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Glenys Stacey. Why is it, whose job -- someone whose job it is to look

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at standards, has described today as students getting a lucky break?

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The concerns have been expressed quickly from schools and colleges.

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There are a good number of units or moduals now underpinning GCSEs. We

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have managed to pin it down to a handful of units, some in January

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and some in June. We have looked closely at the grade boundary

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settings in all of the exam boards, and looked at the professional

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judgment of the examers there, and we can examiners in June, and we

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can see when most sat the papers, the material was sound, examiners

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were able to use the material to set the judgment, and they were

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able to use a lot of data and information to make sure their

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judgments were right. The point is the comparison between the marking

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and the results in June, and in January. How is it acceptable that

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luck played a part in a system in a country like our's? If I can come

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to that. When these units were first sat in January, first of all,

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very few students sat them. If we look at AQA, the biggest provider

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for English, only 2 out of every 100 students sat them in January.

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What you had there, were professional examiners, looking at

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the material, they had precious little to go on. They were new

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qualifications as well. So they were setting standards without

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really a past history to go on. And we know, having spoken with the

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expert, that is particularly difficult in English. I'm sure you

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can find all sorts of reasons that all of this has happened, but the

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fact of the matter, you accept the system you preside over is not fair

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system. It has not been fair to all 16-year-olds who sat GCSE English

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this year? Our job as a regulator is to make sure standards are right.

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We don't just have to do it for this year. Is it a fair system for

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everyone who sat the exam this year? We have to do it for all the

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years. We have to make sure standards are right overall. We

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have done that. Is it fair to everyone who sat the exam this year,

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simple yes or no? It is as fair as it can be. If I can say that some

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solutions are on the way. We have spoken about the complexity about

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it, and moderate approaches. We are moving away from that. We are

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moving to linear examinations and assessments from now on. Would you

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like to apologise to those who sat the exam in June, and were marked

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more harshly than counterparts six months earlier? What I would like

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to say to those who sat the exams in June, is we have looked very

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closely to see if there is anything wrong with your grades, and there

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isn't. The grades are right. But, nevertheless, we think that you

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have expierenceed quite a so the of anxiety and uncertainty, we don't

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think that is right. We are very pleased that exam boards are

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offering you the opportunity to resit should you wish to do so.

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would like to apologise to them? would certainly say things could

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have gone better for them, and they haven't been helped by the

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complexity of the system, and also by the expectations that have been

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set for them. They have been unlucky, then. Luck has been an

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unfortunate part of a system that actually should be about fairness

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right across the board? They have had proper grades awarded in June.

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The people that were lucky were the precious few, if you like, who took

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these units in January. So, if the ones in June, if their results are

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correct, and if you standby those results, then if you look at the

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fact it is the first fall in 24 years of GCSE, then those summer

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GCSE candidates were less intelligent than any of those in

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the previous 24 years? No, they are not. What has happened is until

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this time, we used to have two English qualifications, there was a

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change a couple of years ago, it is the first time the exams have come

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to full fruition, they are completely different now, there are

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three qualifications. The qualification has changed and the

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candidates have changed. Some have gone to i-gcse, for example, the

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examiners are trying to make sure the same standard is maintained

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through change. There is a really important point for the future.

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That when qualifications change, like this, it is very, very

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difficult for examiners to keep standards maintained. Again, we go

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back to this rather unfortunate situation, then, the ones this

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summer were unlucky, that happen to be summer GCSE students in 2012?

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is not that they were unlucky. They had been studying these

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qualifications for two years, they came out with the right grades. The

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issue is the way the system work when a few candidates only took the

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units earlier, it was very difficult to get the standards

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right. It looks like they were right at the time when the

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professional examiners were doing it. This story isn't over, are you

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preparing for legal action, that is the threat talked about in a

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concrete way today? I have heard that. Of course, if that is going

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to happen, it is going to happen. What I will say, again, we do have

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to maintain standards for last year, this year, next year and so on. We

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really can't waver or change, because a few students got lucky in

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January. Thank you very much. We have the

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master of Wellington college, and the principle of George Green

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Comprehensive skal school, in East London.

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What do you think of Glenys Stacey's explanation? I'm appalled,

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I'm absolutely furious. As indeed are hundreds of head teachers up

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and down the country. This is really not going toened here. There

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will be legal Chancellor -- to end here. There will be legal

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challenges. This is a human story, we have youngsters, those at the C-

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D bordeline, those in disadvantaged communities, who have suffered here.

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Their whole life chances. Luck has nothing to do with it, this has

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nothing to do with standards, it is about making things fit. These are

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teething problems? That is not thes' fault, we have followed what

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we were asked to do as schools. The nonsense about nuke and -- nonsense

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about luck and sitting the exam in January. My students did 40% in

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January, and then they did the listening assessment and put those

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forward in June. You have students marked under different systems, it

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is not right or acceptable. have been talking for years,

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disparagingly about grade inflation, are you pleased, do you see this as

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the system correcting itself? think it is a good thing that the

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endless rise in grades year-on-year has come to an end, after 24 years.

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I think it is a good thing for many reasons. I think it will restore

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confidence to the system from universities, and from employers,

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and the general public, that grade As really do mean what they say. My

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school takes the international baccalaureate, it has had zero

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grade inflation for 40 years. You can have that and maintain

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standards. That was inevitable. But, I think it is really appalling the

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way that it has happened. And it is terribly sad for these children.

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Who really feel that a big injustice has been done to them. I

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think it is very sad for the teachers in those schools, and the

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schools themselves, who really cling on these grades. They are so

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important to the children, for entry into the sixth form, and

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entry into whatever jobs they might go on to do and for university, and

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schools. The way they are judged by the Government. I think that the

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solution of this November resit seems to be an admission that

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Ofqual got it wrong any way. They are being offered the chance for a

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resit? What will that help. It will be so hard. Why do you think this

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is happening now. The comparable outcome system was a new system.

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Michael Gove has said the Exam Boards make independent decision,

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what do you think? Michael Gove says that and Ofqual say that, I

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don't believe it, and no headteacher I have met believes it.

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The Exam Boards have been indirectly affected by the talk of

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raising standards. Can I come back to the point about resitting in

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November. There seems to be, that neither Ofqual or the examiner

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understand how resits work. You can't just resit it in November,

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you have completely different controlled assessment, children

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have to be taught, prepared and supervised, when they can be all

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over the place. It is not possible. They don't understand how schools

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workk and how important this is. It is clear to me that Ofqual do not

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understand the processes, and the way children are tracked from the

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minute they leave primary school to the end game. Raise On-line, the

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database we are all judged on, will now be a nonsense. The head

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teachers, as I am preparing for Ofsted in the autumn term, our data

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is completely up the creek. It is nonsense. The point about the exam

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boards, what do you believe about the suggestion, and it is believed

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by many people, that there has been an element of political influence,

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if not interference? I don't know what the answer is. I very much

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doubt that Michael Gove, directly, had had any influence on Ofqual. I

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think that was Ofqual, myself, my judgment is that was Ofqual

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reaching their own decision about what was right. But, doing it in a

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very niave and insensitive way, and the fact you have so many outraged

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teachers who are often supportive of Government policy, supportive of

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the whole drift, as is Kenny, who has done remarkable work in her

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school to raise standards. People are appalled by this, and it shows

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a lack of sensitivity and preparation. If this was a new

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system and thatch harder to get the C grades. Or confidence, are Ofqual

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good enough to be doing the very important job of regulating the

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exam boards? We should have been prepared for it. Shocks should not

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have been allowed to happen. We should have been prepared for it.

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They have upset a lot of very decent, hard-working teacher, heads,

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schools, and above all, the candidates, the students themselves.

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It need not have happened. If is Ofqual up to the job? I have no

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confidence. I really have no confidence at all, they had to be

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forced into this investigation. The initial reaction was there was no

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problem. It was only in response to the unions that made them do this

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investigation. It has been very quick and it will not lie there.

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When we go back to school on Monday, we will be gathering the views of

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parents and the community. Who will certainly not be happy with this.

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It don't end here. One of the most expensive court

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battles ever heard in England came to an end today, with the final

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bill in Abramovich versus Berezovsky estimated at �1 billion.

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It was not a good end for Boris Berezovsky, who looks at playing

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the bill. The judge dismissed his claims saying he was an unreliable

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witnesses and downright dishonest. It is also seen as a verdict on

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Vladimir Putin, Mr Berezovsky felt he thought Putin himself wrote the

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judgment. It was a battle that consumed three

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months of court time. Thousands of pages of evidence. And tens of

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millions of pounds in legal fees and costs. A dual between two

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Russian tycoons, their chosen weapon, the unveiling blade of

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English justice. The challenger, Boris Berezovsky, once the ultimate

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oligarch, now an angry exile, the Kremlin's implacable enemy. The

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defendant, the man he once regarded as his son, Roman Abramovich, who

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stayed loyal to Putin, and came to far outglitter Berezovsky in wealth.

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At stake, the �5 billion Berezovsky said Abramovich owed him for his

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share in one of Russia's most lucrative oil companies. Abramovich

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said Berezovsky never had any such share. Today, the shiny new temple

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of truth, that is the High Court's Rolls building, was besieged, as

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inside English Jews at the, in the form of Mrs Justice Gloster, agreed

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with Abramovich. Sensationally she dismissed Mrs Berezovsky's entire

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suit. It took man with all his irrepressible showmanship, to face

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down such a draining financial disaster. I'm amazed with what

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happened today. Sometimes I had the impression that Putin himself wrote

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this judgment. Sometimes I have this impression. Putin, supported

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by a London court? Many will see this as a triumph, not just for Mr

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Abramovich, but for the reputation of English justice. It has proved

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its shiny neutrality, by humiliating the man, who most

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believed in Britain and British institution, Boris Berezovsky. And

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it is expressively vindicated his opponent, Roman Abramovich, but

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also his arch enemy, Vladimir Putin, who has been so angry with Britain

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for sheltering his critics. Berezovsky, the judge said, was

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wrong to have accused Putin for threatening him. What does it mean

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politically, you heard what the judge said about President Putin,

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that he put no pressure, it was said? Again, this is one of the

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crucial points. Today she tried to rewrite Russian his treatment it is

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not allowed by a judge in English courts.

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The murky world of 1990s Russia, that Mrs Justice Gloster was

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insited to explore, was compared to court to England in the 15th

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century. A world of intrigue and skullduggery, where a supreme fixer

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like Berezovsky could make or unmake fortunes. You might have

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expected her ladyship to suggest, in a judicialiously English way,

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that all the characters were -- judiciously English way that all

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these characters were as bad as each other, but no, her sword came

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down unambiguously on Mr Berezovsky's head. He was a witness

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that regarded truth as a transitory, flexible concept, that could be

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moulded to suit his current circumstances. Mr Abramovich gave

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careful and thoughtful answers, she said, he was frank making

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concessions where they were due. As for Mr Putin, the judge accepted

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the evidence of a Kremlin witness, that the Russian President never

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intimidated Berezovsky into selling his stake in the TV company, ORT, a

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judgment the plaintiff found particularly unhistorical. It is

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common knowledge all over the world that I did not sell ORT by my will,

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I was under pressure, and even I left Russia and granted political

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asylum, and the crucial point was that Putin attempted to control the

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mass media. The chief Godfather in this tale, in the court's view, was

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apparently not Putin, but Berezovsky himself. The millions

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Abramovich paid him to finance his luxury lifestyle, were not shares

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in a joint business venture, they were ad hoc payments to the head of

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a protection racket. Payments known in Russian as krysha. Although the

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krysha is well known in Russia. It is known in the courts as well, in

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the Russian courts. This is the first time the essence of that word

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and the word was used in the international court. So this is a

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very significant judgment all together. In deepest Siberia, there

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is another tycoon, who is delighted about that. Mr Derry pass ka, the

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billionare alluminium king, has been summoned to Russia to answer

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for his huge fortune. One of the claims will be the claimant was a

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protector, not a partner. But that claimant, Michael ch. Erney, won't

:24:36.:24:41.

be here when the -- Cherney, won't be here when the court mites,

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wanted on allegations of money laundering, he stays in Israel. The

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stampede of rich Russians wanting to lig gate in London seems

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unstoppable. The Government wants law to be an exportable product

:24:56.:25:00.

from the UK. They want London to be seen as a litigation centre around

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the globe. But on the other hand, some lawyers would argue that

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perhaps, do we really want these oligarchs with perhaps shadey

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backgrounds, litigating in London. It is a question of morals for us.

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Pwher Berezovsky has learned an expensive -- Boris Berezovsky has

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learned an expensive lesson about the blindness of English justice.

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Some will hope our courts don't get too much of a taste for rewriting

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other country's history. Alex Goldfarb, Boris Berezovsky's

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close friend is with us, and volumes volumes volumes head of the

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Russian -- Anton Volskiy, head of a Russian T vision station. Boris

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Berezovsky chose to bring this case, how do you feel about English

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justice today? I'm very disappointed by this ruling. It was

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obviously a very subjective ruling by Judge Gloster, who got it all

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wrong. I was there, I saw the events that were discussed in court.

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I know, for a fact, that Mr Berezovsky was inTim dated by Mr

:26:12.:26:22.
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Abramovich, on behalf of Mr Putin. By passing this judgment, the

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implications are that the corrupt and murderous regime of Mr Putin

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got a tremendous boost, both internationally and domestically.

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You say Boris Berezovsky was intimidated by this setting, the

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fact is, he didn't do himself any favour, the judge not only thought

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he was unimpressive, but she thought he treated the truth as a

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flexible concept, and he was entirely unreliable as a witness?

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think the judge made a mistake, to call Mr Abramovich a reliable

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witness, is actually laughable as a statement to anyone. That is your

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thoughts? Anyone who is Russian knows that. There are credible

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claims that Mr Putin's personal beneficiary of the proceeds of this

:27:14.:27:22.

transaction, and that Mr Abramovich is his actual personal banker.

:27:22.:27:25.

Anyone who reads the Financial Times can see the evidence of how

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Mr Abramovich's money was laundered and used to buy Mr Putin's palace.

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What do you make, Anton Volskiy, of that view, that this judgment was

:27:34.:27:38.

entirely subjective in Alex Goldfarb's view? I cannot say that

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it was a subjective thing, it was, as the British courts, objective.

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In Russia, by the way, both oligarchs, they don't have a

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credible image. They are very unpopular, both of them. Because

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:28:03.:28:03.

everybody knows, everybody doesn't know where the money comes from.

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When you look at the case, it is not just about the behaviour of the

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oligarchs, the picture of your country was unflattering. It is

:28:13.:28:18.

wealth being divided up ash trairly, it is Mafia money, and a legal

:28:18.:28:22.

system not robust enough to hear these cases on home turf? It is

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true and not true. We all knew what the Russian economics and politics

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used to be in the 1990s. We knew that, cite Shah and all these

:28:34.:28:42.

things. Prob -- krysha, and all those things. Probably Putin came

:28:42.:28:46.

into power and said he would make the state of law. It is not

:28:46.:28:51.

accurate to say Russian oligarchs set their deals here in the court.

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Boris Berezovsky is a British resident for more than ten years

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already. The same thing with the other trial, Derripaska. These

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cases are all about events in Russia, the content of the case has

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nothing to do with Britain. After what you have seen happen in this

:29:15.:29:18.

particular case, given the fact there are more cases on their way.

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Would you still advise that London is the right place to hear these

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kinds of cases? By default, yes. There is no legal system in Russia.

:29:29.:29:34.

We have recently seen the case of Pussyriot, there are tens of

:29:34.:29:39.

thousands of businessmen whose assets were appropriated by people

:29:39.:29:44.

associated with this regime and who are languishing in Russian jails.

:29:44.:29:53.

Starting with Mr Korvokovsky. What is important now, the whole

:29:54.:30:00.

democracy movement now, that is actually opposing Mr Putin's

:30:00.:30:05.

policies, now feels that the regime got a tremendous boost. Did the

:30:05.:30:09.

regime get a boost from this, a good day for the Kremlin on the

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back of an English judge? There was a comment from the Kremlin today.

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They are satisfied with the case because the liar was called a liar.

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They say that Berezovsky is a liar, and now it is confirmed by the

:30:24.:30:28.

British court. I think this was a case about money. Berezovsky wanted

:30:28.:30:37.

money from Abramovich, he didn't get money, let's not do from this

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economic case, money is the biggest thing.

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