18/10/2012 Newsnight


18/10/2012

Ivestigation and analysis of stories behind the headlines with Emily Maitlis. Social unrest in the Nobel Peace Prize-winning EU and PM's energy price fix dubbed a 'combi-shambles'.


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Tonight, a banquet of braced veal on a bed of spinach in Brussels,

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Molotov cocktail on the streets of Athens. The fate of this nation

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will be decided by EU bureaucrat, do they have a clue on how to

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prevent social breakdown. There has been a good supply of

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teargas on the streets today, what is in short supply is belief in the

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institutions of democracy. Also tonight, it is a combishambles,

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the Government confirms it will compel energy companies to give

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customers their lowest tarrif, they haven't worked out how yet. The UK

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has one of the worst breast-feeding rates in Europe, UNICEF says we are

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risk problems down the line. We have a roomful of women who for

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turning in the bottle has a whole new meaning. Could letters Prince

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Charles sent to ministers undermine his role as Monarch, if they do,

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isn't it a good reason for letting us see them. We speak town one of

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the Prince's closest aides about the importance of being frank.

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Good evening, as European leaders, no, let's call them Nobel Peace

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Prize-winning representative, converge once more on Brussels,

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protests raged in Greece. Today for the second time in two week, 70,000

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people took to the streets of Athens, where political anarchy was

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king. As petrol bombs and stones were thrown, police responded with

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teargas and stun grenades. Today at the 22nd crisis summit in two years,

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the EU establishment sat down to dinner. It seldom changes, talks, a

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photo, memorandum, and agreement to do more next time. Can anything

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stop the social collapse happening before their eyes. Paul Mason is in

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Athens tonight. They have been trying to calculate

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the impact of austerity, the IMF, its economists have been trying to

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look at how badly countries are affected when certain levels of

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austerity are carried out. What is happening here today and the past

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month adds a new dimension to that. The social dimension, you just

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can't calculate it on an Excel spreadsheet. What we are seeing is

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far right violence, far right politics, far left violence, and

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far left politics. And amid all that, the Greek Government is just

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struggling to keep control. Not just of the all-important deficit

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reduction plan, and the austerity measures, but of the streets. And

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that's what I have seen today. You mentioned the far right there, Paul.

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What reaction to the revelations you brought us on Newsnight last

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night? The revelations last night were about police connections with

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the far right, but in the programme, one of the leaders of the far right

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made the statement that there was a civil war in Greece. This has been

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wall-to-wall news in Greece all afternoon and this evening. It has

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been discussed on all the programme. He's issued a statement saying that

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our report was wrong, because we "paraphrased him", as you see we

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paraphrased him by putting words in English of what he was saying. They

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are not happy with what we have done. Golden Dawn 14%ed today, that

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is in the context of a -- Golden Dawn 14% today, that is in the

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context of a lot of violence and upheaval in the streets, and a

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general strike, as I have seen on the streets today. In Athens, two

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years of crisis have taken a bitter economic toll. A thousand people a

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day are losing their jobs. The graffiti says "love or nothing".

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And here on the street, the main shopping street, which I have been

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coming to for two years now during this crisis, there is a heck of a

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lot of nothing. So many of the stores are just closed, finished,

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boarded up, grat feetied, gone. Across Greece, 30,000 shops closed

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last year. Today, those still in business, were on strike.

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But the economic crisis is now a political crisis, today's general

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strike shut down much of the public sector. Protest has become a way of

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life for very ordinary people. As they pass, the dockers, the

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shopkeepers, the medical students, they have one thing in common. We

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feel they have no way of influencing politics through the

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ballot box. This Government was elected on a

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platform to renegotiate the bail out. They said that they would try

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to get an extension, and that they would try to maintain the country

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in the euro. In a way, though, that would be less painful and brutal

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for the population. What they are doing ined stead is that they are

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announcing now that they will cut salaries, pensions, social services,

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the full range of cuts, which is just a continuation of the previous

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policy. So people, I think, in many ways, feel betrayed.

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The Greek Government has to impose �13.5 billion worth of cuts in the

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next few week, but the cuts made already have brought from the

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shadows, a new political force. Golden Dawn. Its activists given to

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attacking migrants, with massive support amongst serving police

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officers. Yesterday, one of its leaders told me this. Nowadays we

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are not talking about some normal days in Greece, some how, we are in

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civil war, and people who are not, who don't see this, they are like,

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how do you call these animal, the ones pulling their head in the sand.

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Today, on Greek TV, he denied saying it. But many here believe

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the rise of Neo-Naziism, is just a symptom of a wider problem.

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political parties, all mainstream political parties, and specifically

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the democratic parties, have adapted the main themes of Golden

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Dawn, have adopted xeonophobia as a theme, and are pushing people

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against immigrants, probably in the hope that they will get those votes

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back. But what they are simply doing is encouraging Golden Dawn.

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But, today's biggest problem of not Golden Dawn. It was the rapid

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breakdown of order that took place once the demonstration reached the

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square. The vast majority of protestors,

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determined to avoid violence, but they were soon in a world of

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teargas, projectiles and pain. (loud explosion)

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This is what it feels like to be on the receiving end, when a Greek

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demonstration is broken up. It's OK, it's ox.

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Once the adrenaline subsides, you see many, very ordinary people,

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looking very frustrated and very scared. The Greek Government, and

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Greek society have sent the message that the last red lines have been

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crossed. And we are in the situation in the euro that we don't

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have the luxury of an accident of any kind of accident. And the kind

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of accident can be eruption of social unrest, with unpredictable

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results. The challenge for democracy in

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Greece is very clear. The people behind me are from the Syriza Party,

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in the last election, they came within two points of winning the

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election. So the people on the receiving end of the teargas, and

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the policing, could be the next Government. On the streets of

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Athens today, it felt a long way from the Nobel Prize-winning ideals

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the European Union was founded on. And a lot like the kind of chaos

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that leads to bigger chaos. Soon. Paul Mason with that thought from

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Athens. Joining me now from Athens is the New Democracy MP, and I'm

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joined by Corbett correction adviser to the President of the

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European Council, Herman van Rompuy, in the studio we are joined by a

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Greek Professor of economics, and Tracy Corrigan, editor in chief for

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the Wall Street Journal. Thank you for joining us, perhaps you heard

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the end of Paul's report there, where we see what's happening on

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the streets, when we look on the political spectrum of the rise of

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the far right, the response of the police, should people have faith in

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the political classes there? don't think that there is a

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political crisis, and I don't think that Greece is like a civil war.

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You know, before I was an MP, before I was elected, I used to be

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a world correspond dend, I covered a lot of civil war -- correspondent,

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I covered a lot of civil wars, the situation in Greece is not a civil

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war, I'm very definite about that. Do you feel confident with what you

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are seeing in Greece now? We are applying a very tough and very

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severe austerity measures. I think that these austerity measures,

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which are going to be introduced in the parliament in the next month,

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will be the last ones. So, Greece is giving a very tough fight, in

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order to overcome the crisis, and to win the recovery and growth. I'm

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sure we will make it. Of course you can see the demonstrations, people

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are very angry, are very angry against the Government, but they

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are also very angry against the European elite, who applied these

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austerity measures in Greece in the last three years. But, in any case,

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we hope, and we strongly believe, that in the coming months, the

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situation will change. And Greece will be back in Europe as a member

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of the European Union within the eurozone, and we will win this very,

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very difficult struggle. That European elite, Richard Corbett, is

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laid clearly at your feet here? the idea that Europe is imposing

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austerity on Greece, I think, has to be taken with a pinch of salt.

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Why is the Greek Government cutting spending so much? Because its

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levels of debts are so high, that it cannot borrow on international

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markets. This is an order of magnitude quite different from

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everywhere else, it is quite different from the too-far too-fast

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debate in Britain for instance. They cannot borrow. Therefore,

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other eurozone countries have lent Greece one of the biggest

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international loans ever, in history, and secured a write-off of

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existing debt. Without that Greece would be in far, far worse

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austerity than it is now. Thanks to the loans from other eurozone

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countries, it is bad enough, but not nearly so bad as it would have

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been without the solidarity from other eurozone countries. You look

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at Greece as an insider and outsider, which of these two bodies

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do you see as to blame? Neither, they are as bad as each other. The

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European Union has imposed the programme on the company, that is

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manifestity unworkable t has imposed tread mendous austerity,

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which has made things much, much worse, it has imposed suffering on

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the people. And the Greek Government are in cahoots.

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think they have imposed? manifesto was undoable. Those who

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worked in cahoots with them insisted on imposing it on the

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country, and the results are on as you see. I want to get a response

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to that, that this was shown to you to be unworkable before it went

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through, Richard Corbett? If Greece was not cutting its deficit, and it

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doesn't have to do it which cutting expenditure by the way, it could

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raise taxes, but if it weren't cutting the deficit, how would

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Greece still be able to pay the public sector workers? The

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Government cannot borrow money any more on markets, it has had to have

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a loan from other eurozone countries. It is through its own

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prove livecy of past Greece Governments who fiddled the book

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that Greece is in this situation, not the European Union. The rest of

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the European Union is help hading Greece by the biggest loan in

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history to a country of this kind. Is Greece a place that is open for

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business, is this a functioning company now? It is definitely still

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sliding downwards this week we had Coca-Cola Hellenic, one of the

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biggest companies in Greece, there are few international companies in

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Greece, that is the problem with the economy, saying it will leave

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Greece. More specifically, the problem at the moment, there is

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obvious low help coming from the eurozone, the other eurozone

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countries, but Greece just can't get out from this spiral with the

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current level of debt that it has got. There is an increasing sense

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that some of that debt is going to have to be forgiven again. One of

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the things that has been discussed at the EU summit, that started

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today, that we have been writing about today, is that there are

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discussions again about possibly Greece being given money to buy

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back some of its detect at lower prices, and then write it off.

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Because otherwise it just can't possibly. To talk about increasing

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taxes, we have got rising unemployment, 25% unemployment, and

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rising in Greece. When you mentioned, just at the beginning,

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Coca-Cola Helenic, this moves its head -- headquarters out, how much

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jobs go as a result of that? don't know how many, it isn't a

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massive employer in Greece, it doesn't just serve Greece but other

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countries as well. It is a sign, that not only are other companies

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not invest anything Greece, and it's impossible for Greece --

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investing in Greece, and it is impossible for Greece to attract

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companies because the labour costs are too high. Even those

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established for decades want to get out. When you hear this, and look

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at a blue chip company like that saying we don't think we can work

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in Greece any more, can you really see that there's light at the end

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of the tunnel? We made a lot of progress in the last three years.

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We managed to cut our deficit by 25% of our GDP. We applied this

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very, very tough and very strict austerity measures. But we still

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believe that we can win this fight. And I think that Greece will be a

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success story, as Prime Minister, Antonis Samaras pointed out

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yesterday in Bucharest, this Greek story will be a success story. I

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think that Europe will get out of this crisis much easier if Greece

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succeeds and if Greece can make it. We think that in the coming months,

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in the coming months, the situation will be much better. You have been

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shaking your head at this for the last minute? I admire the

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gentleman's optimisim, as an economist, when I look at the

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figures, there is not a single thing moving positively, investment

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has collapsed, consumption is declining, exports are going

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nowhere, the Government is cutting again, there is tremendous

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unemployment, there is nothing positive in the country, other than

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in the heads of the people who run the Government. This Government,

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incidentally, as your programme showed before, was elected on a

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completely different ticket to the one it is currently applying. All

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this talk about light at the end of the tunnel, is of the same calibre

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as the stuff they said before the election. Isn't it that they are

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tied more closely to the euro? People are very scared about

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exiting the euro, there has been a campaign of misinformation and

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terror for ordinary people, about what will happen if they left the

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eurozone. They are right to be scared about what happens, whether

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they stay in the euro, but also if they come out of euro, interest

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would be a massive devaluation of the kuorn circumstance people who

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have assets left would -- currency, people who have assets left would

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lose 90% of the value of them, there would be 60-70% inflation

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rates. This is what keeps Brussels functioning, the fact there is no

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alternative for Greece. But this is the 22nd summit in two years. Are

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you, maybe, noble -- you may be Nobel Peace Prize winners, but

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isn't it faintly ridiculous to discuss the banks, when there is

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this kind of social breakdown? is a regular summit meeting, it is

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not an emergency one. The European Council does meet six times a year.

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It is not extraordinary. Once again, Greece will be centre stage, and

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there is a dislocation between...Greece Is not on the

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agenda of this meeting. It is not even...The Remaining measures and

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adjustments that may need to be made for Greece is by the finance

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ministers. There was a great comment by Angela Merkel saying

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"this was not a summit for making decisions", in that case, what is

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the difference in other summits. Indeed it is not scheduled to be

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taking any decision on Greece at all, that is not on the agenda of

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the summit. That makes you look even more irrelevant? No, the main

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decisions, the huge extra loan given to Greece, and the write-off

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of most of the private sector debt, has already been decided. There is

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a programme for Greece. There may need to be an adjustment, we will

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evaluate that when we have the reports from the IMF and the ECB

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and commission. Then then there may be a prolongation of it. It is not

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on the agenda of this meeting. Greece needs debt-write-off, and a

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lifting of the austerity policy, nothing will work. The social

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collapse you have outlined is a very real thing, caused by

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unemployment, and middle-class people losing their property, left,

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right and centre, this is what is happening in the country. The

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middle of the society has been crushed, that is why you get the

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phenomena of the right-wing becoming very powerful. This is

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what is emerge anything the south of Europe, it isn't just Greece,

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Portugal and Spain aren't far off, it is about time the European Union

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realised what is afoot. No-one's entirely sure what the

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Prime Minister meant to say yesterday in the Commons on gas

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prices, but by today his words had become hard policy. Although absent

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of any detail of how that policy will work. After cries of Labour of

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a shamble, accusations of a U-turn, by this evening David Cameron was

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confirming he will be compelling energy companies to give their

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lowest tarrifs. We go through a heated 24-hours. It is the time

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year when the metre spins faster and millions have to worry about

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rising bills. The first politician that promises and delivers lower

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energy costs, they could reap a big political prize. And that's what

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the Prime Minister seemed to be offering yesterday. Let's do

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something that, sadly, we can't do with our metres, let's wine the

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clock back, here is what Mr Cameron said in the Commons. I can announce,

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which I'm sure he will welcome, is that we will be legislating so that

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energy companies have to give the lowest tarrif to their customer,

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something Labour didn't do in 13 years. Brilliant, so instead of

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trying to make sense of all the different confusing tarrif, the

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energy company will have to put you on their best deal. Simple. Except

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it is not, for a start, if energy company has to put all its

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customers on its best tarrif, in effect, it will only have one

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tarrif, now, hands up who thinks the energy company is going to set

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that tarrif so they make less money than they do now? Anyone? No?

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But luckily, at 8.00am, the Energy Secretary, Ed Davey, was giving a

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speech. The Prime Minister's announcement is big news, of course

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his Energy Secretary will be able to give us some more details.

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Except, here is transcript of the speech, and nowhere in it does he

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mention the new policy at all. And, this is confusing. When he was

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asked a direct question about the new policy, in a brief interview

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that he gave afterwards, he used very different language from the

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Prime Minister. The Deputy Prime Minister, Nick Clegg, announced in

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April, an agreement that I negotiated with the Big Six, that

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they will have to tell their customers every year what is the

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best available tarrif. We have a range of other ideas we have been

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working on with the Deputy Prime Minister and Prime Minister, and

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others, to help consumers and businesses with their energy bills.

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The Prime Minister is referring to those, we will deliver the details

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over the next few weeks. Let's recap, shall we, the Prime Minister

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said the energy companies will have to give you their best deal. And

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this is a new policy. The Energy Secretary says they will have to

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write to you and offer you their best deal, but this is not a new

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policy s that is already happening. All very confusing, don't worry,

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parliament is on the case. The Speaker has ordered ministers to

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come and explain to MPs what is going on in, in response to an

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urgent question from Labour. This time it was the energy minister

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answering all, or rather not answering, really, more reading out

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a long-prepared reply, designed to, well not say very much, really.

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Following the Prime Minister's announcement yesterday, I'm pleased

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to enfirm we will bring forward legislation to help energy

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consumers get the best deal. We have already regulated, and have

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plans to improve competition, simplifying tarrifs through the

:22:46.:22:50.

retail market process, and we will improve liquidity and competition

:22:50.:22:55.

in the wholesale market through the energy bill, in weeks, rather than

:22:55.:22:59.

months. There are a number of options being considered. Labour

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clearly weren't impressed with this response? We all misspeak from time

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to time, and the Prime Minister of under a lot pressure yesterday, but

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for the Government to spend a day pretending to have a policy they

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have no intention of implementing, is no way to run the country. It is

:23:14.:23:19.

like something out of The Thick of It. There is one more chance to get

:23:19.:23:24.

a straight answer about what is going on. The Prime Minister's

:23:24.:23:28.

official spokeswomen answering journalist questions at the morning

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loby, we are found -- spokes woman, answering journalists' questions

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this at the morning lobby. We found out this morning, but we didn't,

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she wasn't answering question. They were to offer their best tarrif in

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writing every year, but what they already do. Let's recap. The Prime

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Minister said this? We will legislate so energy companies have

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to give the lowest tarrif to their customers. The Energy Secretary

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said this. They will have to he will their customer every year what

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is the best tarrif. The Energy Minister, this. This as complicated

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area. The Prime Minister surfaced at a Brussels summit, can he tell

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us what he said. Except he jolly well meant what he said, so there.

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I meant what I said in the House of Commons, I will with we will use

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the Energy Bill coming up this year, so we ensure customers get the

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lowest tarrif, that is what we will do. The Government definitely has a

:24:35.:24:39.

new policy s we don't know quite what it is or quite how it will

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work. But the energy bill is being published next month, that will

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probably make things clear, won't We did invite a Government minister

:24:50.:24:54.

to talk about the policy, but they couldn't.

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Britain has the dubious honour of being one of the worst countries of

:24:59.:25:03.

breast-feeding in the EU. One of the countries with the lowest

:25:03.:25:07.

numbers, performance doesn't come under it. A failure to breast-feed

:25:07.:25:14.

is not stigma enough. It is a suggestion that those who don't

:25:14.:25:19.

cost the NHS billions and risking illness. Is it something to feel

:25:19.:25:27.

guilty, and why do we find it so hard. As all new parents will know,

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Newsnight coincides with the last feed. We have three babies, I can

:25:34.:25:38.

hear them. A little bit noisy here. Thank you very much. In a moment we

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will be talking to the three ladies here who have joined me to chair

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share some of their experiences of breast-feeding what does today's

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report say, firstly. This is a report from the children's charity,

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UNICEF and (baby cries very loudly) But the report has been looking at

:26:00.:26:05.

the economic case for persuading women to breast-feed, and UNICEF

:26:05.:26:10.

said to me that, one of their aims was to use the economic argument,

:26:10.:26:14.

because the other methods for persuading women to breast-feed

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hadn't really been that successful. What they have done is they have

:26:17.:26:22.

asked panel of experts to look at the scientific and medical case for

:26:22.:26:25.

breast-feeding, and not surprisingly they have concluded

:26:25.:26:28.

there are benefits for both the babies and the mothers. For babies

:26:28.:26:33.

there is a reduced risk of stomach and breathing and ear infections,

:26:33.:26:40.

and for women, longer term, there can be a reduced risk of breast

:26:40.:26:44.

cancer, and all the illnesses cost money for the NHS. If you bring

:26:44.:26:49.

them down you save money. How does the UK rate when it comes to

:26:49.:26:52.

breast-feeding compare to other countries. We don't do veryle well.

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Especially in duration of breast- feeding. We have one of the lowest

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rates of breast-feeding in the world. So while 81% of women start

:27:01.:27:06.

breast-feeding, by six to eight week, rates have fallen back to

:27:06.:27:16.
:27:16.:27:25.

That's despite Department of Health advice that babies should be

:27:26.:27:29.

exclusively breast fed, if possible, for around the first six month of

:27:29.:27:35.

life. The top line of this report is that the NHS could save at least

:27:35.:27:41.

�40 million a year, they reckon, by preventing some of these costly

:27:41.:27:44.

illnesses, if more women were persuaded to breast-feed for longer,

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and given help to do that. So I'm joined now by Rema, Sarah and Hazel

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who will tell me a bit about their experiences of breast-feeding. You

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are a breast-feeding support worker, was it an easy choice for you to

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make? It was, in a bay, I wanted to breast -- in a way, and I wanted to

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breast-feed, and knowing the benefit. Having done the job I

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wanted to do it myself and relate to how mums are feeding. Did you

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learn anything about the process? found out it was difficult, and the

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ways that mum felt, now I'm doing the job I'm finding it more

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enjoyable because I can relate to the mums and share the experiences.

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Sarah, you decided to bottle feed, what led you to that decision?

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just assumed most people bottle fed, my mother did, and most people I

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knew bottle fed, it was only when I got pregnant and started going to

:28:46.:28:49.

antenatal appointments I realised I was kind of expected breast-feed,

:28:49.:28:54.

and most people did. I felt quite a lot of pressure that this was what

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was expected of mothers, that we would breast-feed. Did you feel

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there was pressure on you to breast-feed? I had chosen to

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breast-feed already, I was actually welcoming a lot of the support and

:29:07.:29:11.

encouragement to breast-feed. But, it did, I was quite conscious of

:29:11.:29:19.

how little there was about bottle feeding as an alternative. Because

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I was always biased one way, it suited me. It was very biased

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towards breast-feeding. Thank you very much, back to you Emily,

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perhaps a little quieter for the rest of the discussion.

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A miracle. Here with me the policy adviser at NCT, involved in that

:29:37.:29:39.

report, Charlotte Fiarcloth, who studies parenting for the

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University of Kent, and Francesca Entwhistle, a midwife and lecturer

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in midwifery, and worked with the Department of Health to promote

:29:50.:29:53.

breast-feeding. Listening to the women, what different

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preconceptions of what is expected. In your mind is there a problem if

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we are one of the lowest breast- feeding nations in Europe? Probably

:30:00.:30:03.

what the accounts of the women there show is the current approach

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isn't really working. There is a huge drop off of women who are

:30:08.:30:12.

breast-feeding very, very quickly. I think probably these very one-

:30:12.:30:16.

sided accounts of the benefits of breast-feeding aren't very helpful.

:30:16.:30:20.

This approach that breast is best, actually leaves a lot of women

:30:20.:30:23.

feeling very, very guilty about what they do end up doing, that is

:30:23.:30:29.

98% of them, which is using formula milk at home stage. Broadly would

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you like to see women breast- feeding more? The only reason we

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would like to see it is that's what women want, 80 perof women start

:30:41.:30:48.

breast-feeding, of those -- 80% of women start breast-feeding, and 90%

:30:49.:30:54.

who stop would want to carry on. It is that support we need. If a woman

:30:54.:30:57.

gives birth and says I don't want to breast-feed at all? That is up

:30:57.:31:01.

to her. You wouldn't like to change people's mind? I don't think women

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should be under pressure, it is their decision, it is a very

:31:04.:31:08.

personal decision. There is a lot of factors that come into it. But

:31:08.:31:12.

women should make their own decisions and be supported in that.

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And Francesca Entwhistle, as a midwife, you see women in this very

:31:18.:31:22.

vulnerable, initial stage, a lot of women are basically not really

:31:22.:31:25.

taught how to do it. It is made to feel like something that comes very

:31:25.:31:30.

naturally and it really doesn't, it is a very technical learning curve

:31:31.:31:35.

isn't it? It is a learning curve, and women don't grow up in an

:31:35.:31:38.

environment in the UK where they see breast-feeding, they are not

:31:38.:31:41.

picking up the skills naturally from their parents. You think

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because it is literally out of sight? It is out of sight, in many

:31:45.:31:49.

families, two generations of bottle fed, they are not picking up the

:31:49.:31:55.

skills intuitively, it is the role of the support workers and midwives

:31:55.:31:59.

and health visitors to help them overcome the challenges in the

:31:59.:32:02.

early days. And in the antenatal period to give them information and

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support so they can make a real choice. What the evidence suggests

:32:06.:32:09.

is women need face-to-face support. They need to know when they will

:32:09.:32:13.

get that support. Why isn't that just built in to the very first day,

:32:13.:32:19.

when a woman's given birth, that someone comes around and shows them

:32:19.:32:24.

what to do. That is missing at the moment? It is built in to the

:32:24.:32:26.

infrastructure, and what this report and what a lot of other

:32:26.:32:31.

reports are showing, is that we need to keep training the midwives,

:32:31.:32:34.

and retraining midwives. I myself trained 30 years ago when things

:32:34.:32:38.

were very different. They have improved dramatically, but we are

:32:38.:32:43.

making progress, and we have gone from up to 81%, since the last

:32:43.:32:46.

infant feeding survey, but women are still not continuing. We need

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to put more infrastructure in, commission more services, so women

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don't feel guilty, and they can make a real choice. Do you believe

:32:55.:32:58.

it does contribute to infant illnesses, a lack of breast-

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feeding? My concern is that often these report, as I say, they are

:33:03.:33:06.

very one-sided, they take statistics which are actually, some

:33:06.:33:12.

of the research that is used, the data is a lot more uncertain than

:33:12.:33:18.

these reports suggest. Quantifying benefits to the NHS in ten, 15

:33:18.:33:22.

years time. The evidence around gastroenteritis infections more

:33:22.:33:28.

secure, but things like obesity and cancers is very unstable. Putting

:33:28.:33:33.

these amounts on it, and making women feel like they are costing

:33:33.:33:38.

the NHS X or kwhr., -- Y, I don't think that is helpful. I know you

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say it is not directed at mothers, it ends up on programmes like this,

:33:42.:33:45.

mothers watch Newsnight and mothers read newspapers. Governments need

:33:45.:33:49.

to know that investing in breast- feeding will save them money. At

:33:49.:33:54.

the moment everything is being cut back, we need the H NHS and local

:33:54.:33:57.

authorities to know. There is a lot spent on breast-feeding information

:33:57.:34:01.

in the past. Will help, babies will be sick less often, mothers will be

:34:01.:34:04.

sick less often, and more importantly they will do what they

:34:04.:34:08.

want to do. If they get the report. When you phrase it in the way of

:34:08.:34:13.

stopping a waste of money to the NHS. There are millions of ways you

:34:13.:34:18.

can save �40 million on the NHS every year. This is one thing. And

:34:18.:34:22.

it helps reduce inequalities in society. Because we know that women

:34:22.:34:26.

with the lower income and less education are less likely to

:34:26.:34:30.

breast-feed, it is those women who need the most support. I'm sorry to

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interrupt. That is the kind of talk you don't like? As a feminist, yet

:34:35.:34:40.

again, poor women, women with less education are being blamed for

:34:40.:34:43.

wider social inequality. Things like class, education, you know,

:34:43.:34:47.

breast-feeding is not a magic bullet, you can't breast-feed your

:34:47.:34:53.

way to being middle-class. Breast- feeding has been fits, breast fed

:34:53.:35:01.

children tend to be healthier. is a simple thing, that it costs

:35:01.:35:09.

less money to breast-feed it comes from you. Somebody else can't do it.

:35:09.:35:13.

It costs time for bottle feeding too. It is not just about saving

:35:13.:35:18.

money from the NHS, we can invest that back in for women to have real

:35:18.:35:22.

choice. At the moment women stop bread feeding and go to bottle

:35:22.:35:25.

feeding because they can't solve the problem and they are not

:35:25.:35:30.

getting the support they need. If we empowered them and gave them the

:35:30.:35:33.

self-confidence and self-efficacy to overcome those problems and get

:35:33.:35:38.

solution, if they want to go on and bottle feed and partially breast-

:35:38.:35:41.

feed that will be their choice. Would you go a step further, you

:35:41.:35:44.

talk about a woman's time, it is not just the responsibility of the

:35:44.:35:47.

mother to be the feeder? Well, yeah, and particularly, let's just

:35:47.:35:52.

imagine, I know it is a classic thing that feminists would say, if

:35:52.:35:58.

it were men would you say to them you ought to breast-feed for 18

:35:58.:36:03.

months to reduce your risk of cancer and save the NHS money.

:36:03.:36:06.

men breast fed they would get all the support they need and sit

:36:07.:36:13.

around in bed all day. I'm a feminist and I don't like that

:36:13.:36:18.

women don't get enough support, they get inconsistent advice, that

:36:18.:36:22.

is inexcusable wrecks know how to help women breast-feed, they are

:36:22.:36:27.

not getting the help. It won't come as a vast surprise

:36:27.:36:31.

that the heir to the throne holds a lot of opinions about a lot of

:36:31.:36:36.

things. Many of them have been openly and frankly expressed, many

:36:36.:36:39.

leaked. This week the Attorney General explains his reasons for

:36:39.:36:42.

not publishing letters from the Prince to Tony Blair's Government.

:36:42.:36:48.

Tonight we asked one of the Prince's closest aides for decades,

:36:48.:36:53.

if political neutrality in a Monarch matters?

:36:53.:36:58.

It could be decades away. But at some point we will see a different

:36:58.:37:04.

face on our stamps and bank notes. What do we know about the future

:37:04.:37:07.

King Charles III, about his political views, the way he plans

:37:07.:37:11.

to use his power and influence. problem is that I can't resist

:37:12.:37:15.

trying to find a way of doing something about many of the

:37:15.:37:22.

problems that I come across. If you want a quieter life, lock me up.

:37:22.:37:26.

This week, the Attorney General stepped in to block the publication

:37:26.:37:31.

of 27 of the Prince's memo, sent to Labour ministers some years ago.

:37:31.:37:35.

The called Black Spider letters, named after his distinctive

:37:35.:37:39.

handwriting, are said to be particularly frank and full of

:37:39.:37:43.

deeply-held personal beliefs. But, after a seven-year fight by the

:37:43.:37:48.

Guardian newspaper, the full contents will remain secret. That

:37:48.:37:52.

veto overturned a decision last month by a High Court judge. The

:37:52.:37:54.

Attorney General said the publication of those memos could

:37:54.:37:59.

stop ministers talking openly with the Prince, as he prepares to

:37:59.:38:03.

become king. And it could undermine his position of political

:38:03.:38:06.

neutrality. Unofficially we already know about the Prince's views on a

:38:06.:38:11.

number of subjects. This former special adviser to two Labour

:38:11.:38:15.

ministers says he had firsthand experience of some of those letters.

:38:15.:38:20.

I remember one particular incident from when I was working at the

:38:20.:38:21.

Department for Communities and Local Government. The Secretary of

:38:21.:38:29.

State had given a speech about model communities, and had

:38:29.:38:33.

mentioned Poundbury, Charles's model village in Dorset. She was a

:38:33.:38:37.

bit disparaging about it in a throw-away remark. Within a day or

:38:37.:38:43.

two, a handwritten letter arrived into the office, with the fleur de

:38:44.:38:52.

lis in the corner, inviting her to visit Poundbury and see for herself.

:38:52.:38:56.

That was particular taken up afterwards. If you or I had written

:38:56.:39:01.

a letter to the Secretary of State to visit our pet scheme, it is

:39:01.:39:05.

unlikely it would go to the top of the pile or get a visit so fast.

:39:05.:39:10.

The Prince has been ayes cuesed in the past for using his influence to

:39:10.:39:16.

interfere in other areas of public life. He wrote to the Qatari owners

:39:16.:39:19.

of this development in Chelsea, calling for the whole original

:39:19.:39:24.

design to be scrapped, the man behind that design, Lord Rogers,

:39:24.:39:27.

ayes cuesed the Prince of abusing his power, and wrecking two years

:39:27.:39:30.

of his work. Then there have been forthright

:39:30.:39:34.

views, publicly expressed, or quietly leaked, on topics from

:39:34.:39:39.

hunting to youth unemployment, to environmental policies. He says

:39:39.:39:44.

it's his duty to communicate some of those views, privately, to

:39:44.:39:47.

public official. I could have, couldn't I, have sat doing very

:39:47.:39:51.

little indeed. And I would have been got at just as much by people

:39:51.:39:57.

saying what a useless idiot he is. You know, what contribution is he

:39:57.:40:00.

making. I would rather, at the end of the day, if one has to go

:40:00.:40:05.

through all this, be criticisedor doing things, rather than not --

:40:05.:40:10.

criticised for doing things rather than not doing them. Some say some

:40:10.:40:14.

of the Prince's actions look like direct lobbying, designed to change

:40:14.:40:19.

Government policy, that, they say, is undemocratic. I don't think

:40:19.:40:22.

anyone doubts that there is anything wrong with Charles having

:40:22.:40:28.

a range of political views and causes he cares a great deal about.

:40:28.:40:32.

The question is the secrecy is the way he lobbies on behalf of these

:40:32.:40:35.

causes and campaign, and the letters will be kept secret, and

:40:35.:40:38.

the public will never know whether or not the Government changed the

:40:38.:40:42.

mind, whether public money was spent, whether decisions were

:40:42.:40:45.

altered, as a result of Charles's lobbying.

:40:45.:40:49.

A recent change to the law means royal letters written today are

:40:49.:40:54.

even less likely to get into the public domain. So, any more of

:40:54.:40:58.

those private thoughts, scrawled in black handwriting, are likely to

:40:58.:41:05.

remain just that, private. We can speak now to Dame Julia

:41:05.:41:09.

Cleverdon, special adviser to the Prince's charities. She has worked

:41:09.:41:12.

for Prince Charles for the last 20 years, and Nick Cohen, the

:41:12.:41:16.

columnist for the Observer. Thank you both for coming in. I guess he

:41:16.:41:22.

is clearly a man with plenty of views, and proudly so. Do you think

:41:22.:41:28.

we want an heir to the throne with views? I think we want an heir to

:41:28.:41:32.

the throne who has spent most of the last 35 years trying to

:41:32.:41:35.

understand some of the key issues which face Britain in the

:41:35.:41:40.

communities that he will seek to serve. So I think if we look at his

:41:40.:41:43.

work across an absolute range of issues, whether we are talking

:41:43.:41:47.

youth unemployment, or responsible business behaviour, or what do we

:41:47.:41:50.

do with 100 redundant hospitals, this man has given his life,

:41:50.:41:56.

actually, to understanding what the issues are, that he can do. At what

:41:56.:42:00.

point is that meddling? You can organise if it is meddling or

:42:00.:42:03.

mobilising. I would suggest that most of what the Prince of Wales

:42:03.:42:07.

has done, has been to try to mobilise to make things happen,

:42:07.:42:13.

through charities, through the business world, through communities

:42:13.:42:16.

.% of all young people, who are not in education, employment and

:42:16.:42:21.

training, are going through the -- 7% of all young people who are not

:42:21.:42:24.

in education, employment and training are going through the

:42:25.:42:29.

Prince's Trust this year, that is a contribution to the nation. You can

:42:29.:42:34.

call him a useless idiot, he says, but he would prefer to be somebody

:42:34.:42:39.

who did something than didn't? depends what you mean by do. What

:42:39.:42:42.

happened was the Information Commissioner, who fully accepts

:42:42.:42:46.

that Prince Charles's private views and business should be kept out of

:42:46.:42:49.

the public domain, was looking at direct lobbying of the Government.

:42:49.:42:53.

He said the Prince's attempts to say this wasn't political weren't

:42:53.:42:59.

credible, whatsoever. He said they made no sense. These were political,

:42:59.:43:04.

often on party political matters. We know what little that has leaked

:43:04.:43:09.

has been his attack on the Human Rights Act. Although I agree very

:43:10.:43:14.

much with Julie that some of the work he does is fine, and non-

:43:14.:43:21.

political and very good. Some are pernicious, and on alternative

:43:21.:43:26.

health, quack medicine, which he is constantly bombarding the

:43:26.:43:28.

Department of Health to keep homeopathic hospital over. I can't

:43:29.:43:32.

see the objection to knowing about this? I think it is absolutely

:43:32.:43:38.

clear that Governments of all persuasions have decided that the

:43:38.:43:42.

Queen's letters, the Prince of Wales's letters, and the Duke of

:43:42.:43:45.

Wales's letters should not be in the public domain. The Prince of

:43:45.:43:51.

Wales does 600 engagments a year. He wants to change mind, that is

:43:51.:43:56.

the point of the letter is to change the mind of those with

:43:56.:44:00.

influence? It is to take the views and experience he has picked up, as

:44:01.:44:04.

he moves around this country and other countries, on things that he

:44:04.:44:07.

believes to be the interests of Britain. He has an absolute right,

:44:07.:44:11.

I would have thought, to use that experience, to pass that

:44:11.:44:15.

information on, to do, where he can, the things he can to make more

:44:15.:44:18.

difference to Britain. Do you really think that Tony Blair would

:44:19.:44:22.

have changed a policy on the back of something that Prince Charles

:44:22.:44:25.

wrote to him in a letter? We are not allowed to know, that is the

:44:25.:44:28.

first point. And the Government has gone to great efforts to make sure

:44:28.:44:31.

we don't know. On the whole politicians are rather frightened

:44:32.:44:34.

of Royals. They are frightened of having an argument with them. They

:44:35.:44:38.

are frighten the media will take the Royal Family's side. There was

:44:38.:44:43.

an example this week, when Jeremy Hunt makes a perfectly civil

:44:43.:44:47.

comment to the Queen and they were rather rude to them. How do you

:44:48.:44:51.

know that, talk to David Blunkett and many of the ministers who know

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the Prince of Wales and worked with him, they would say, actually they

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value his views. You see it is a bit, Baroness. I'm not a Baroness.

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Nothing like one. Nothing like one. It is a bit odd of you to support a

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system of secrecy and say how do you know that, prove it. He's one

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of the least secretive people there is, he is frank what he believes,

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he founded 20 charities, what more can he do. Would he publish his

:45:20.:45:23.

views himself? Read the speeches. They are very clear what the Prince

:45:24.:45:26.

of Wales believes about how they can make a greater difference.

:45:26.:45:33.

wouldn't have a problem, if they are all in the speech, he wouldn't

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have a problem that they come out? It is a Government responsibility

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and decision, this is not the Prince of Wales's, he didn't take

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the case. Let's get the fact on the record, you are saying as one of

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the Prince of Wales's advisers he would be happy for the Black Spider

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to be released. I have a fantastic -- Black Spider letters to be

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relyed. I have a fantastic number of Black Spider memos from the

:45:56.:45:59.

Prince of Wales, four this morning. What is talked about, particularly

:45:59.:46:03.

between the Monarch herself, and the Prime Minister, whatever goes

:46:03.:46:07.

on, in that conversation, something intensely private, and gives the

:46:07.:46:10.

person in power, the Prime Minister of the day, enormous confidence, do

:46:10.:46:14.

you not respect that? If you look back to the present Queen, when she

:46:14.:46:18.

was the heir to the throne. There is nothing like what has been

:46:18.:46:22.

happening with the Prince of Wales. She was on the throne at the age of

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23. If you look at the information commissioner's website, I hope do

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you it, they are so concerned about his behaviour, they have produced a

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20,000 history of political interventions going back to the

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1970s. Not party political. In an interview with Vanity Fair, they

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say his parents might have brought him up to stay out of politics, he

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said he wouldn't listen to it. this something the Queen wouldn't

:46:49.:46:53.

do? The Prince of Wales is the longest-serving Prince of Wales we

:46:53.:46:56.

have ever had. He has spent the last 35 years trying to prepare,

:46:56.:46:59.

support and understand the things he can do to mobilise and make a

:46:59.:47:02.

greater difference to the things he believes are important to Britain.

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Thank you both so much. We have run out of time. That's all from us

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tonight, I will be back with another round of delights tomorrow.

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:47:19.:47:24.

Good evening, one way another, Friday could potentially get off to

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a grey start across many parts of the UK. We are looking at some

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stubborn mist and fog for northern England, the Midlands and the south

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west of England. Cloud bringing further outbreaks of rain into

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Scotland and Northern Ireland. East Anglia and the south-east of

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England will struggle with thicker cloud and outbreak of rain for much

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of the day. Perhaps not just for Friday, but on into the weekend as

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well. Thanks to a weather front that never quite clears off into

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the continent. The south west of England and Wales should brighten

:47:52.:47:57.

up nice low for Friday afternoon, eventually temperature -- nicely

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for Friday afternoon, temperatures reaching 14. Cooler where mist and

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fog linger. After a grey start, Northern Ireland should see the

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cloud breaking through the second half of the day. Highs of 11 or 12

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in the sunshine. The far North West of Scotland gets sunshine, but the

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central lowlands will struggle with cloud and rain. Sunshine for Friday

:48:20.:48:25.

in Inverness, Edinburgh rather cloudy, school at 9 degrees. The

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prospects for Saturday look dry and brighter for Scotland and Northern

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