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Labour's first by-election gain from the Conservatives in 15 years. | :00:13. | :00:19. | |
Is it a straw in the wind? Labour's just won in Corby, and the Labour | :00:19. | :00:24. | |
leader, Ed Miliband, is about to turn up in this village, Middleton. | :00:24. | :00:28. | |
Middle town, Middle England, you can see what message they are | :00:28. | :00:32. | |
trying to ram home. Or was it down to one person? Louise Mensch | :00:32. | :00:36. | |
triggered the election when she fled Westminster for New York. We | :00:36. | :00:39. | |
will ask if she blames herself. Reports tonight that Israel will | :00:39. | :00:49. | |
call up 75,000 army reservists, is a ground war in Gaza inevitable. | :00:49. | :00:53. | |
Particularly as Jerusalem seems to be the latest target for Hamas. A | :00:53. | :00:58. | |
peace maker, who has been down this road before, gives his verdict. As | :00:58. | :01:04. | |
Police Commissioner fever hits England, we will look at the case | :01:04. | :01:07. | |
of the empty ballot box. We will speak to a woman who knows | :01:07. | :01:17. | |
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how it works in Gotham. There were two recounts in the | :01:18. | :01:21. | |
Corby by-election today, but not cause the Labour victory was in any | :01:21. | :01:25. | |
doubt, the flurry of extra activity was caused by the Liberal Democrats, | :01:25. | :01:29. | |
who thought they were in with a chance of saving their deposit. | :01:29. | :01:33. | |
They weren't. They were a fourth, behind a resurgent UKIP, and a | :01:33. | :01:37. | |
Conservative candidate who was drafted in after the high-profile, | :01:37. | :01:40. | |
sitting Conservative, went to spend more time with her family. The | :01:40. | :01:43. | |
Labour candidate will be seeing a lot less of his. He won with a | :01:43. | :01:48. | |
swing of more than 12%. Allegra Stratton spent the day in the | :01:48. | :01:57. | |
constituency. A by-election is pretty standard | :01:57. | :02:00. | |
fare. In fact, maybe without you noticing it t around this country, | :02:00. | :02:04. | |
there have been at least half-a- dozen since this Government changed | :02:04. | :02:07. | |
hands. There are a couple more later this month. Ballots, licked, | :02:07. | :02:12. | |
posted and flicked, in Britain these bite-sized referendums have | :02:12. | :02:16. | |
been more frequent than hot weather. What on earth was all the fuss | :02:16. | :02:24. | |
about today? Or what on Mars? Let me introduce you to the Corby | :02:24. | :02:28. | |
crater, this isn't really it, we couldn't afford it, it will do. The | :02:28. | :02:33. | |
real Corby create certificate a great big hole on Mars. But the | :02:33. | :02:37. | |
departure of Louise Mensch for New York, leaves a Tory-shaped hole in | :02:37. | :02:42. | |
Corby. It threatens to scar David Cameron's tenure, it will be the | :02:42. | :02:45. | |
first his party has lost since joining Government. Here we are in | :02:45. | :02:48. | |
Corby at the scene of the destruction wrought by Louise | :02:48. | :02:53. | |
Mensch T looks like a huge hole have been driven through David | :02:53. | :02:56. | |
Cameron's leadership. It wasn't meant to be like this. | :02:56. | :03:00. | |
SuperThursday was supposed to see a Conservative and Liberal Democrat | :03:00. | :03:03. | |
uprise, voters were to flock to the polls to vote for the Prime | :03:03. | :03:07. | |
Minister's new idea, police chiefs. It appears they haven't, and the | :03:07. | :03:10. | |
by-election doesn't look good either. Is this a new low for David | :03:10. | :03:15. | |
Cameron. You lot are feeling it in Corby? I have a lot of friend out | :03:15. | :03:19. | |
of work. I'm out of work. I haven't worked in a long time. You know. I | :03:19. | :03:22. | |
have tried to get a job, you know, but it is so hard out there, you | :03:22. | :03:28. | |
know. One study described Corby as the | :03:28. | :03:31. | |
UK's hot spot for youth unemployment. People in Cameron | :03:31. | :03:35. | |
Court voted on this, on the possibility of a hospital service | :03:35. | :03:43. | |
closure, and on immigration. the people that came round about | :03:43. | :03:48. | |
the Conservatives and the other parties, didn't seem interested in | :03:48. | :03:53. | |
local issues. About the hospital, and what's going on, and what was | :03:53. | :03:58. | |
happening. To just generally, and I just thought, well, this time I'm | :03:58. | :04:01. | |
voting, I know who I'm going to vote for, the people that were | :04:01. | :04:06. | |
anxious to talk to me and listen to me. Hilda told me about her fears | :04:06. | :04:09. | |
of immigration, her son had had managed a team of foreign workers | :04:09. | :04:17. | |
before losing his work while they stayed on. Ed Miliband devoteds of | :04:17. | :04:23. | |
his conference speech to curbing the once uncurbable, EU immigration. | :04:23. | :04:27. | |
You clearly like the local candidate, what about the national | :04:27. | :04:31. | |
candidate, Ed Miliband? Well, some things are good, I don't understand | :04:31. | :04:35. | |
him sometimes. What don't you understand? Well, he seems a bit, | :04:35. | :04:41. | |
which he was, when he came here, he didn't even come into the town, he | :04:41. | :04:44. | |
went to one of the of the villages. Moments later, Labour would be | :04:44. | :04:51. | |
declared the winner. And I do here by declare that Andrew Sawford is | :04:51. | :04:55. | |
duly elected as member of parliament. The first victory for | :04:55. | :05:02. | |
the newly-coined One Nation Labour Party. Labour's just won in Corby, | :05:02. | :05:07. | |
that is why Ed Miliband is just turning up in this village, | :05:07. | :05:10. | |
Middleton, middle town, Middle England, you can see what message | :05:10. | :05:15. | |
they are trying to ram home here. Cheers here in Middleton, but | :05:15. | :05:19. | |
elsewhere in the country, Labour had had failed to win the mayoral | :05:19. | :05:23. | |
election in Bristol. Last month the Tory peer, Lord Ashcroft, had | :05:23. | :05:26. | |
published polling showing that, while many Tories were switching to | :05:26. | :05:30. | |
Labour in Corby, not as many could see Milliband as Prime Minister. | :05:30. | :05:35. | |
Remember from earlier, our interviewee Hilda, who lived in | :05:35. | :05:38. | |
Cameron Court. REPORTER: Can we ask you a quick question, we have | :05:38. | :05:42. | |
spoken to Labour voters who liked Andy Sawford a lot, they voted for | :05:42. | :05:47. | |
them, but said you were in their words, wishy washy. Do you have | :05:47. | :05:52. | |
have more work to do? We always have more work to do. Do you | :05:52. | :05:56. | |
personally have more work to do? always have more work to do, they | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
shows people are turning to the Labour, and listening to our | :05:59. | :06:02. | |
message. We will take the message across the country. On the eve of | :06:02. | :06:07. | |
his victory, in 197, Tony Blair won in the Wirral South by-election w a | :06:07. | :06:12. | |
swing of 17%. Today, Ed Miliband saw a swing of nearly 13%, that's | :06:12. | :06:17. | |
more than the 8% swing to his party when it last captured the seat from | :06:17. | :06:22. | |
the Conservatives in 1997. But the Tories today pointed out that in | :06:22. | :06:29. | |
the Crewe and nat witch by-election, there was a 17.6 % swing for them, | :06:29. | :06:32. | |
that was just before they formed part of a Government. Back to the | :06:32. | :06:35. | |
here and now, today there was euphoria for UKIP, they knocked the | :06:35. | :06:39. | |
Liberal Democrats into fourth place. With UKIP doing so well, the Prime | :06:39. | :06:41. | |
Minister comes under greater pressure to act tough on Europe. | :06:41. | :06:48. | |
For the people of Cameron Court, is it all over for their prime | :06:48. | :06:52. | |
ministerial name sake? Most people we spoke to here actually voted | :06:52. | :06:55. | |
Labour. Elsewhere in public opinion, there may be a bit more hope for | :06:55. | :07:00. | |
the Prime Minister. Last week when he was accosted on national | :07:00. | :07:03. | |
television with a list of supposed paedophiles, that may have been a | :07:03. | :07:06. | |
defining moment for him. The Prime Minister's own pollsters show that | :07:06. | :07:10. | |
the public thought he handled it rather well. So this period in the | :07:10. | :07:12. | |
parliament may not actually be too much of a low point for David | :07:13. | :07:17. | |
Cameron. If true, Corby has not yet noticed. | :07:17. | :07:20. | |
David Cameron will have to work to ensure he remembers Louise Mensch | :07:20. | :07:26. | |
for her time in parliament, rather than her departure. | :07:26. | :07:30. | |
Louise Mensch, who was the Conservative MP for Corby, is in | :07:30. | :07:35. | |
New York. Was this defeat your fault? Yes, it was. Absolutely. I | :07:35. | :07:39. | |
had to resign to be with my family. Not because I couldn't take the | :07:39. | :07:42. | |
pressure, the Prime Minister was very good about allowing me to work | :07:42. | :07:46. | |
my schedule around my children. But because my husband lived in America, | :07:47. | :07:50. | |
and we were facing a possible 13- year separation from each other. | :07:50. | :07:54. | |
That doesn't make it any easier for the party on the ground, and I know | :07:54. | :07:59. | |
this was really difficult for them. Under those circumstances, I think | :07:59. | :08:09. | |
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a swing of 12% in Crewe and Natwitch, it was a good result | :08:10. | :08:13. | |
really. I think they will be quietly pleased by it. Thank you | :08:13. | :08:16. | |
for that, this is pretty bad for the Conservatives, you are in a | :08:16. | :08:19. | |
worse position in Corby than you were at the height of Tony Blair's | :08:19. | :08:22. | |
powers in 1997, your share of the vote significantly down? With | :08:22. | :08:27. | |
respect, it is a by-election. I don't think the governing party has | :08:27. | :08:30. | |
won a marginal by-election in something like 20 years. We have | :08:30. | :08:34. | |
seen over and over again, even safe seats change hands against the | :08:34. | :08:37. | |
governing party, in a by-election. That is when they didn't have to | :08:37. | :08:41. | |
contend with a sitting MP leaving for family reasons. Now, under | :08:41. | :08:45. | |
those circumstance, to get 12% swing is pretty run of the mill, if | :08:45. | :08:49. | |
that. So I don't think that it's anything that we can draw wider | :08:49. | :08:53. | |
lessons from. And indeed, we saw in Labour's failure to take Bristol | :08:53. | :08:57. | |
that the message hasn't gone out across the country. It is a by- | :08:57. | :09:00. | |
election situation and by-election result. What about all your former | :09:00. | :09:03. | |
constituents, telling Allegra it was about unemployment, immigration | :09:03. | :09:07. | |
and hospitals, not about you? of them were saying that. But of | :09:07. | :09:11. | |
course these are vox pop, it depend where is you go. The anecdotal | :09:11. | :09:15. | |
evidence on the ground was people didn't really understand why I had | :09:16. | :09:23. | |
left, and they were understandably disappointed. I can very much see | :09:23. | :09:27. | |
that, an MP should see out the term if they possibly can. I couldn't do | :09:27. | :09:33. | |
that, I always will regret having put the party in that position. | :09:33. | :09:38. | |
you think they couldn't understand because your version of events was | :09:38. | :09:40. | |
flatly contradicted publicly by your husband? That was on the | :09:40. | :09:47. | |
doorstep before I came out. These the perils of not talking politics | :09:47. | :09:50. | |
with my very left-wing husband. This isn't about talking politic, | :09:50. | :09:54. | |
this is talking family, you said you went to New York to keep family | :09:54. | :09:59. | |
together. He said she thought she would get killed at the next | :09:59. | :10:03. | |
election? That wasn't a reason. Early on in my term as an MP, I | :10:03. | :10:07. | |
would worry about the polls and confide that to Peter. Once I had | :10:07. | :10:11. | |
made the decision to step down any way, which I might say was a front | :10:11. | :10:15. | |
page story in my local paper in October 2011, it is a matter of | :10:15. | :10:19. | |
public record. When you decide to step down at the next election, you | :10:19. | :10:22. | |
stop worrying about the polls. If you are not running, they don't | :10:22. | :10:26. | |
matter. Worries about elections are a reason not to stand again, not a | :10:27. | :10:30. | |
reason to leave mid-term. Your husband also says you were worried | :10:30. | :10:33. | |
about not being promoted, perhaps you weren't Conservative Party | :10:33. | :10:39. | |
enough, that have another reason? That's Peter's view, not mine. With | :10:39. | :10:44. | |
apologies to the Labour MP, Austin Mitchell who said I shouldn't | :10:44. | :10:48. | |
contradict my master in public. Peter, who loves me very much, was | :10:48. | :10:51. | |
much more worried about it than I was. Contrary to public view, I | :10:51. | :10:55. | |
never wanted to be a minister. I remember asking the Chief Whip if I | :10:55. | :11:01. | |
one day might make PPS. I had small children to look after, two days in | :11:01. | :11:03. | |
my constituencies, I never could have done it in the first place and | :11:04. | :11:08. | |
I never wanted to. If you are taking all the blame for this, as | :11:08. | :11:12. | |
you have so candidly done, and if this defeat does turn out to be the | :11:12. | :11:14. | |
beginning of the end for David Cameron, that is quite something to | :11:14. | :11:18. | |
hang around your neck, isn't it? Well, the one doesn't follow from | :11:18. | :11:22. | |
the other. I do have to take the blame for this defeat, whilst at | :11:22. | :11:25. | |
the same time knowing there was genuinely no other choice for my | :11:25. | :11:28. | |
family. It was nothing something I would have done frivolously. But as | :11:28. | :11:33. | |
I said, a by-election with a modest, historic swing, is not going to | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
mean anything to David Cameron's leadership. The same polling that | :11:37. | :11:40. | |
exactly predicted the margin of victory in Corby, showed that | :11:40. | :11:44. | |
voters in the constituency prefer the economic team of David Cameron | :11:44. | :11:50. | |
and George Osborne to Milliband and Balls, I don't think this has any | :11:50. | :11:54. | |
wider conotations whatsoever. Thank you. The conflict in the | :11:54. | :11:57. | |
Middle East has escalated further. For the first time, a rocket was | :11:57. | :12:01. | |
aimed at Jerusalem itself. Tonight there are reports that the Israeli | :12:01. | :12:06. | |
cabinet has approved 75,000 reservists to be called up, earlier | :12:06. | :12:12. | |
the President of Egypt visited Gaza to show solidarity. Not far away, | :12:12. | :12:16. | |
across the border, Israeli tanks lined up, amid widespread | :12:16. | :12:23. | |
speculation that Israel would launch a ground invasion. | :12:23. | :12:27. | |
As missiles arc across the skies of Israel and Gaza, it is a conflict | :12:27. | :12:35. | |
apparently shooting out of control. New terrors sent Israelis | :12:35. | :12:44. | |
scrambling for shelter. Destruction is raining down again on Gaza. In a | :12:44. | :12:49. | |
Middle East, transformed by the Arab uprisings, can hostilities | :12:49. | :12:53. | |
still be contained? For Israel, the shock today was that citizens, | :12:53. | :12:58. | |
living in the sent of the country, around Tel Aviv and -- centre of | :12:58. | :13:01. | |
the country, around Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, were forced into | :13:01. | :13:05. | |
shelters, by rockets from Gaza, that normally only reach southern | :13:05. | :13:14. | |
towns near the border. In many respects the state of Israel is | :13:14. | :13:22. | |
more locked together in a common fate with the poor people in | :13:22. | :13:25. | |
southern Ashkelon who have been absorbing the rocket attacks for | :13:25. | :13:32. | |
years. The big cities, without casualties, is a major blow for | :13:32. | :13:40. | |
Hamas militant groups, it is achieved, partly with the longer | :13:40. | :13:46. | |
range missiles, manufactured by Israel's worst enemy, Iran. When | :13:46. | :13:52. | |
you have air raid signals going off for the first time since 19 1. | :13:52. | :13:55. | |
Today it is Iranian manufactured weapons, but it means Iranian | :13:55. | :13:59. | |
ballistic missiles, can they also get through Israel's missile | :13:59. | :14:03. | |
defences, can they also strike Tel Aviv and Jerusalem and other cities. | :14:03. | :14:08. | |
Today Israeli tanks moved towards Gaza's border, as tens of thousands | :14:08. | :14:13. | |
more reservists were called up. Israel's escalated the conflict in | :14:13. | :14:17. | |
recent days. Assassinating Hamas's military chief, in response to | :14:17. | :14:21. | |
increasing missile attacks from Gaza. But also against the | :14:21. | :14:24. | |
background of an up coming election in which the Prime Minister, | :14:24. | :14:27. | |
Binyamin Nethanyahu, needs it appear strong. The calculation for | :14:27. | :14:32. | |
Israel now, in the face of further Hamas provocation, is whether it is | :14:32. | :14:39. | |
safe or wise to go further down the road towards all-out war. | :14:39. | :14:43. | |
Crucially, will it avoid repeating its invasion of Gaza, nearly four | :14:43. | :14:51. | |
years ago. That left more than 1100 Palestinians dead, according to the | :14:51. | :14:54. | |
Israeli army, more than 1400 according to the Gaza authority. | :14:54. | :14:57. | |
There a huge difference you have to keep in mind. The Israel defence | :14:57. | :15:02. | |
forces have learned this from the previous round in 2009. The Israeli | :15:02. | :15:08. | |
Defence Force, and Israel itself, are targeting military targets. | :15:08. | :15:13. | |
There are preparations for a ground invasion, but perhaps no appetite | :15:13. | :15:19. | |
for it. The same factor that has pushed Israel into this, the up | :15:19. | :15:23. | |
coming elections and the Likud party's need to appear robust in | :15:23. | :15:28. | |
the rocket attacks. That same electoral constraints would mean | :15:28. | :15:34. | |
they wouldn't wish to commit large Israeli groups to a casualty- | :15:34. | :15:40. | |
intensive, prolonged battle in Gaza. In Gaza, it seems, the battle is | :15:40. | :15:43. | |
getting messy. Casualties of Israeli strike, including civilians, | :15:43. | :15:48. | |
were brought into hospital today. The Israeli bombing over the past | :15:48. | :15:54. | |
48 hours, again in Gaza, is turning our lives here into a nightmare. | :15:54. | :15:58. | |
The Palestinians here in Gaza do not want to live with the memories | :15:58. | :16:05. | |
of the last Israeli war. Though Israel's main target now is Hamas. | :16:05. | :16:10. | |
Other militants here have also been responsible for cross-border | :16:10. | :16:13. | |
attacks. Hamas has no interest in the firing, but it is the other | :16:13. | :16:18. | |
Palestinian groups who are pushing Hamas towards escalation, and | :16:18. | :16:23. | |
continuation of the cycle of violence with Israel. Hamas, which | :16:23. | :16:31. | |
hosted the Emir recently. And received backing from Turkey | :16:31. | :16:35. | |
diplomatically, felt increasingly confident. Hamas felt it had to | :16:35. | :16:39. | |
respond to the killing of its main commander. It has been emboldened | :16:40. | :16:44. | |
by new support in the region. Now it has to work out if those | :16:44. | :16:48. | |
political friend, and the exhausted political population it rules, | :16:48. | :16:52. | |
wants a further escalation of the conflict. Egypt, Gaza's neighbour, | :16:52. | :16:57. | |
now ruled, like Gaza, by Islamists, will play a key role. Today it sent | :16:57. | :17:00. | |
the Prime Minister to Gaza, in a gesture of support for Hamas, that | :17:00. | :17:04. | |
would have been unthinkable before the Egyptian revolution. But the | :17:04. | :17:09. | |
visit didn't stop the firing. And it's not clear how far beyond | :17:09. | :17:13. | |
diplomatic and humanitarian help Egypt's support will go. | :17:13. | :17:17. | |
For all its ideolgical affinity with Hamas, the new Egyptian | :17:17. | :17:21. | |
Government also needs, partly for economic reasons, to retain the | :17:21. | :17:25. | |
country's alliance with the west. And, to maintain the relative | :17:25. | :17:30. | |
stability of the region. It has to work with Israel, in the Sinai | :17:30. | :17:34. | |
Peninsula, where a collapse in security since the revolution, | :17:34. | :17:38. | |
threatens both countries. Crucially, the Egyptian Government has lost | :17:38. | :17:44. | |
control of the Sinai Peninsula. The Sinai, which of course abutts Gaza, | :17:44. | :17:47. | |
is awash with arms and militant, and Israel is deeply concerned | :17:47. | :17:53. | |
about weapons moving in from North Africa, through Sinai into Gaza. | :17:53. | :17:58. | |
Tonight, Gaza was bracing itself for a third night of Israeli | :17:58. | :18:01. | |
bombardment. While Israeli cities prepared for further possible | :18:01. | :18:04. | |
rocket attacks. Both sides agree it is Egypt that is in the best | :18:04. | :18:09. | |
position to try to mediate an end to the conflict. But for now, both | :18:09. | :18:16. | |
seem intent on raising the stakes. George Mitchell was a US Special | :18:16. | :18:19. | |
Envoy to the Middle East until just last year, I asked him how worried | :18:19. | :18:26. | |
he was about a ground war? I think everyone in the region and beyond | :18:26. | :18:32. | |
should be concerned about a continuation and an escalation of | :18:32. | :18:36. | |
this conflict. Israel, of course, has the right to defend itself, as | :18:36. | :18:41. | |
do all nations. And it will do so vigorously, as they demonstrated. | :18:41. | :18:49. | |
But at the same time, this is a new and turbulent region in the wake of | :18:49. | :18:54. | |
the Arab Spring, and you have got packically a civil war going on in | :18:55. | :18:58. | |
Sir -- practically a civil war going on in Syria. You have a | :18:58. | :19:03. | |
recent change in Government in Egypt, particularly difficult for | :19:03. | :19:07. | |
the Egyptian Government with their close relationship with Hamas, and | :19:07. | :19:10. | |
yet their obvious concern that they want to maintain the treaty with | :19:10. | :19:13. | |
Israel, which Israel itself wants to maintain. And so, there is a | :19:14. | :19:19. | |
real challenge for all concerned, each party is balancing political | :19:19. | :19:23. | |
and security interests, as though a group of them were on a high wire | :19:24. | :19:27. | |
and have to decide how far to go. I think the United States, the UK, | :19:27. | :19:33. | |
and all of our other allies, are, and should be, actively working to | :19:33. | :19:38. | |
persuade both parties to stand down. You have negotiated with these | :19:38. | :19:44. | |
parties in the past. At the moment, how would you persuade them to stop | :19:44. | :19:50. | |
fighting? Obviously it is very difficult in the heat of the moment. | :19:50. | :19:54. | |
As we see in the Middle East and in other places, it is a lot easier to | :19:54. | :19:58. | |
start conflicts than it is to end them. And with each passing day, | :19:58. | :20:03. | |
and each death, and each bit of destruction, it becomes even harder, | :20:03. | :20:09. | |
as public attitudes harden. Political leaders feel the need to | :20:09. | :20:14. | |
continue a conflict. But I think both have to recognise that their | :20:15. | :20:20. | |
long-term, strategic interests, may be adversely affected. If they go | :20:20. | :20:24. | |
too far. And is it specifically more difficult now for the United | :20:24. | :20:27. | |
States, because of the Arab Spring, because politically it might just | :20:27. | :20:33. | |
have been easier to deal with a friendly dictator? Of course, | :20:33. | :20:38. | |
that's true for everyone. For everyone involved, including the | :20:38. | :20:43. | |
Israelis themselves. But, the fact is, that when we say we believe in | :20:43. | :20:48. | |
the right of self-governance, we believe it. And we mean it. And | :20:48. | :20:54. | |
even if it comes with the consequence of sometimes you get | :20:54. | :20:58. | |
more difficult decisions and sometimes you get freely chosen | :20:58. | :21:02. | |
Governments who take positions that are, at least in the immediate case, | :21:02. | :21:08. | |
adverse to our wishes, and our interests. Given the high-wire act | :21:08. | :21:13. | |
you see many of these countries participating in, what are your | :21:13. | :21:19. | |
greatest and specific concerns about this conflict widening? | :21:19. | :21:24. | |
of course, you have the added dimension of Iran. And Iran's | :21:24. | :21:28. | |
efforts to extend its influence into the Persian Gulf region. And, | :21:28. | :21:36. | |
of course, its publicly stated hostility to Israel. The Hamas | :21:36. | :21:43. | |
rockets are relatively crude. They have about 8,000-10,000 of them. On | :21:43. | :21:46. | |
the northern border, Hezbollah has many more, public estimates in | :21:46. | :21:51. | |
Israel have ranged from 30,000- 50,000. They are some what more | :21:51. | :21:59. | |
effective. But the most serious threat is that Iran has now made | :21:59. | :22:04. | |
technological leap from liquid rocket fuel to solid fuel, and they | :22:04. | :22:08. | |
can reach anywhere in Israel when launched from Iran itself. It is a | :22:08. | :22:14. | |
complicating factor, because there has been a long historic emknitity, | :22:14. | :22:18. | |
hostility between Persians and Arab, and there is the continuing | :22:18. | :22:24. | |
simmering and erupting conflict between Sunni and Shia. All of | :22:24. | :22:27. | |
these factors complicate an already complex situation, and make it very | :22:27. | :22:32. | |
difficult to manage. I think both the gulf Arab states and Israel | :22:32. | :22:38. | |
recognise that the principal threat to their security comes from a | :22:38. | :22:42. | |
powerful Iran seek to rule over the region. | :22:42. | :22:46. | |
Two years ago, here is what the Conservative election manifesto had | :22:46. | :22:49. | |
to say about police and crime commissioners. Giving people | :22:49. | :22:52. | |
democratic control over policing priorities is a huge step forward | :22:52. | :22:56. | |
in the empowerment of local communities. Yesterday, people in | :22:56. | :23:01. | |
local communities, across most of England and Wales, had the chance | :23:01. | :23:04. | |
to feel empowered, and take democratic control over policing. | :23:04. | :23:11. | |
How can we best illustrate the turnout? If this pen is the | :23:11. | :23:15. | |
electorate, this men top is the proportion who wanted to feel | :23:15. | :23:19. | |
empowered. Actually that is a little bit generous. Around 40 | :23:19. | :23:23. | |
million people had the chance to the vote. Turnout is estimated at | :23:23. | :23:27. | |
15%. In the west Midland, Merseyside, Thames Valley and he is | :23:27. | :23:35. | |
specks, 12% made it to the polls. - - Essex, 12% made it to the polls. | :23:35. | :23:39. | |
In Newport, the people who voted in the 15 hours the polling station | :23:39. | :23:47. | |
was open was serious. In Humberside, Labour's Lord Prescott lost out to | :23:47. | :23:51. | |
a Conservative. All the results are now in. Apart from one constituency, | :23:51. | :23:54. | |
that is Devon and Cornwall, and Conservatives have been elected to | :23:54. | :24:01. | |
15 of the posts. Labour 13, independent 11, and the "zero | :24:01. | :24:05. | |
tolerance" candidate in Surrey 1. Let's talk about all of this with | :24:05. | :24:11. | |
Jessica de Grazia, former New York assistant District Attorney, and | :24:11. | :24:18. | |
newly elected Police Commissioner for greater man chester, Tony Lloyd. | :24:18. | :24:23. | |
Con-- Greater Manchester, Tony Lloyd. Is it embarrassing to win on | :24:23. | :24:28. | |
a turnout of 13.93%? It is not embarrassing for me. Because I have | :24:28. | :24:33. | |
a job to do. And I intend to do that job in the interests of the | :24:33. | :24:38. | |
people of Greater Manchester. It would be negligent of my duty were | :24:38. | :24:42. | |
I not to deliver on that promise. It hab embarrassing for the | :24:42. | :24:46. | |
Government. -- it has to be embarrassing for the Government. | :24:46. | :24:49. | |
Their level of incompetence on this is staggering, to create a new post | :24:49. | :24:53. | |
and not explain why they have done it. To give powers that they didn't | :24:53. | :24:57. | |
explain to the public. Presumably it is also your responsibility? | :24:57. | :25:00. | |
tried with the Government who were determined they didn't advertise | :25:00. | :25:06. | |
this post. A Government that wasn't allowed, that didn't let the use of | :25:06. | :25:10. | |
the free post, that is we see on general elections in much smaller | :25:10. | :25:15. | |
constituencies, to have a election on a very complicated balloting | :25:15. | :25:20. | |
system, which hadn't been used before in many parts of England and | :25:20. | :25:23. | |
Wales. It was a recipe for chaos. That is what the Government have | :25:23. | :25:27. | |
created. Embarrassment, it should be, but it should be when David | :25:27. | :25:30. | |
Cameron looks in the mirror in the morning. When you start to | :25:30. | :25:32. | |
implement your measures, we will talk about that in due course, | :25:32. | :25:37. | |
won't the people in your ar why be entitled to saying, you shouldn't | :25:37. | :25:41. | |
be -- area be entitled to saying, you shouldn't do that, we didn't | :25:41. | :25:45. | |
vote for him? I have been an elected politician for a third of a | :25:45. | :25:49. | |
century. Elections give a mandate, but that mandate has to be reearned | :25:49. | :25:53. | |
every single day, by getting out there, amongst the voters, | :25:53. | :25:58. | |
listening to them, representing them, vocalising for them, and | :25:58. | :26:01. | |
challenging those who don't deliver what the electorate expects. That | :26:01. | :26:04. | |
is my job for the next three-and-a- half years. I can't sit back and | :26:04. | :26:07. | |
say I will leave an empty chai, simply because the Government made | :26:07. | :26:11. | |
such a -- chair, simply because the Government made such a cock-up of | :26:11. | :26:14. | |
the process. What do you think about the democratic mandate the | :26:14. | :26:19. | |
new commissioners have got? Well, it's not a strong mandate, | :26:19. | :26:25. | |
obviously. It is a weak mandate. But, Tommy is right, if I was in | :26:25. | :26:29. | |
his shoes or the shoes of any of the other newly elected police and | :26:29. | :26:32. | |
crime commissioners, I would be saying this is my job, I have got | :26:32. | :26:38. | |
to do the job, to the best of my ability. It's a difficult job. | :26:38. | :26:42. | |
Prime Minister looked to New York as the template for what is | :26:42. | :26:45. | |
happening in most of England and Wales, what do you think of how | :26:46. | :26:51. | |
it's been played out here? actually don't think that the | :26:51. | :26:56. | |
American system was very well understood. I think there was a | :26:56. | :26:59. | |
superficial understanding, and this superficial understanding was | :26:59. | :27:03. | |
transposed over here, and that's, I think, created some of the problems | :27:03. | :27:07. | |
that police and crime commissioners are going to face. I think a major | :27:07. | :27:11. | |
problem is that the inadequacy of the system of checks and balances. | :27:12. | :27:16. | |
We have had a hundred years in America to mitigate some of the | :27:16. | :27:20. | |
damage that can be done when one person is in control of such a | :27:20. | :27:23. | |
powerful instrument of the state. There hasn't been any time over | :27:23. | :27:26. | |
here to develop those checks and balances. What about all the | :27:26. | :27:29. | |
politicians, these party politicians, who have been elected | :27:29. | :27:35. | |
today, is that good for us? I think it depends upon the person. I think | :27:35. | :27:41. | |
what's very interesting is that the electors have rejected a lot of the | :27:41. | :27:47. | |
party politicians and they have chosen independents. They have also | :27:47. | :27:53. | |
chosen a lot of PCCs who have a policing background. To me that's | :27:53. | :27:57. | |
interesting, because the public recognises that the person who | :27:57. | :27:59. | |
controls the police should understand policing. That's | :27:59. | :28:04. | |
something that does happen in America. The elected District | :28:04. | :28:08. | |
Attorney is a professional prosecutor who runs for office. | :28:08. | :28:13. | |
Likewise a elected Sheriff is a professional policeman who runs for | :28:13. | :28:16. | |
office. If people are confused about what Police Commissioners do, | :28:16. | :28:21. | |
let me ask you a direct question. If crime fall on your watch, should | :28:21. | :28:28. | |
you get the credit, and if it rises is it your fault? It is a bit more | :28:28. | :28:34. | |
complicated than that. You have to give more credit to the police. We | :28:34. | :28:37. | |
have seen crime dropping in Greater Manchester, nothing to do with me | :28:37. | :28:42. | |
being in post. The things that help crime reduce, and the things that | :28:42. | :28:45. | |
help crime, building strong communities, and that requires a | :28:45. | :28:49. | |
strong police force, it requires strong partnerships. It is building | :28:49. | :28:52. | |
those partnerships that I think is a job, yes, for the police, but | :28:52. | :28:57. | |
transcends the police themselves, and involves many other groups, the | :28:57. | :29:00. | |
local authorities, the communities, people in residents groups, all of | :29:00. | :29:05. | |
those who build the kind of community base that can challenge | :29:05. | :29:09. | |
the criminal s and crime. Are you confident you can get your | :29:09. | :29:11. | |
electorate more interested by next time, briefly? That has to be a | :29:12. | :29:17. | |
very real test for moo. As I said earlier on, -- for me, as I said | :29:17. | :29:20. | |
earlier on, the way the politician operates the mandate isn't simply | :29:20. | :29:23. | |
because of the election and says goodbye for the next three-and-a- | :29:23. | :29:27. | |
half years be it is by validating that mandate every day by getting | :29:27. | :29:31. | |
out there and listening to the community and vocalising what they | :29:31. | :29:36. | |
need to have for their own parts of the conubation. Thank you very much | :29:36. | :29:40. | |
very much. Review is next, Kirsty, what have | :29:40. | :29:46. | |
you got? In tonight's show, life, death and religion, in Paul Thomas | :29:46. | :29:54. | |
Anderson's film, The Master. The welcome collection, Death Makes a | :29:54. | :30:00. |