31/07/2013 Newsnight


31/07/2013

Should the PM apologise to Peter Cruddas? Where is the green jobs revolution? Who will win in Zimbabwe? And why is Spike Lee breaking with Hollywood funding models?


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Remember this? What happened is completely unacceptable, this is

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not the way we raise money in the Conservative Party, it shouldn't

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have happened, it is quite right that Peter Cruddas has resigned. I

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will make sure there is a proper party inquiry to make sure this

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can't happen again. That was March last year. Today Peter Cruddas won

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his libel action against the Sunday Times, when the court found he did

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not corruptly try to sell access to the Prime Minister. So is it time

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for Mr Cameron to apologise? Also tonight:

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Newsnight goes climbing the turbines of the Humber, they are a

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giant economic success story for Denmark. In terms of the

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Government's performance in off- shore wind strategy it has been an

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F-grade. They have given consistently conflicting messages,

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this was supposed to be the greenest Government ever? They

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campaigned on that, it has just been confusing. Perhaps the Energy

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Minister can explain. After 33 years in power Robert

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Mugabe still feels he has more to offer the long-suffering people of

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Zimbabwe. They have been going to the polls today, anyone like to

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guess who will win. If you let me speak to the people of the UK, go

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Arsenal. Why has Ang Lee taken up the virtual begging bowl to fund

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his next movie! -- why has Spike Leely taken up the virtual begging

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bowl to fund his next movie. The Sunday Times claimed that Mr

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Cruddas a former co-treasurer for the Conservative Party was

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supposedly in the business of corruptly selling access to the

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Prime Minister. He was dropped within two hours by his political

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friends. While today in the High Court Mr Cruddas won his libel

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action against the Sunday Times for publishing what he called malicious

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lies. The judge said that because of the false newspaper report the

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Prime Minister had subjected Peter Cruddas to massive public

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humiliation. Is there something seriously wrong with a political

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system in which people are rapidly tried, convicted and punished by

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the politicians, when what is necessary is to wait for the

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reasonable process of the law to find out the facts. We have been

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talking to Peter Cruddas. It looked like a scandal thought up

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in central casting, a Conservative donor caught on camera bragging

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that cash would buy you a place in the court of David Cameron.

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�100,000 is not Premier League. It is not bad, it is probably bottom

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of the Premier League. �200,000, �250,000 is Premier League. Within

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two hours of these front pages dropping Peter Cruddas, Tory

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treasurer for years, was treasureed by the Tory Party no more. What

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happened is completely unacceptable, this is not the way we raise money

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in the Conservative Party. It shouldn't have happened, it is

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quite right that Peter Cruddas has resigned. I will make sure there is

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a proper party inquiry to make sure this can't happen again. The party

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moved to distance themselves, and Peter Cruddas lost his unpaid Tory

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job within hours. Since no questions were asked of him, Peter

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Cruddas lost his respect for the party. Over the last 16 months he

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has fought the story in the High Court. Today a judge found in his

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favour. The judge found that Peter Cruddas's taped comments were in

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fact descriptions of agreed and legal party donations policy. The

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judge also revealed that elsewhere in the full transcript Mr Cruddas

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Today Peter Cruddas believes he's bested the newspaper that stung him.

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Now he's turning his sights on the Conservatives. The fact of the

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matter if you look at the sequence of events the party drafted my

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resignation statement, they issued it and really since then I haven't

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had any other contact. It is not closure for me. Because off the

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back of the story the Conservative Party decided that they were going

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to ostracise me, not support me and not only that they lined up to

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criticise me. Unfortunately the damage to my reputation was

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increased by their behaviour. this is the party that you have had

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a decade or more relationship with and then they judged you within two

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hours, through the media, how can you continue to have a functional

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relationship with them? I don't know. I don't know if I can, to be

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honest, but what I do know is I need closure and the fact of the

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matter is that I have been heavily criticised by them. They didn't

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know the facts. Perhaps they would like one day to hear my side of the

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story. I would be happy to tell them, or better still, why don't

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they read the judgment and see for themselves. The Sunday Times

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Do you think that if they offered you your old role back you would

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take it? Oh my God. What a question that is. I mean you know, six hours

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ago I was in the High Court, I was getting the judgment handed down to

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me, that is a massive feeling of relief, the dark cloud has lifted.

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I want to enjoy that moment. I honestly haven't thought about that.

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I mean I thought the party has disowned me, ignoring the fact that

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I won no to AV with them, and with the team I injected a lot of cash.

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I have supported David Cameron and given the Conservative Party �1.2

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million since David Cameron became leader. Do you think had you been

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one of David Cameron's mates, part of the famous cuum-oxcy, you would

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have been street -- chum-ocracy, you would be treated differently?

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Before this Mr Cameron treated me very nicely and well, I don't know

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why this happened, I never felt, I know that you know, I know why you

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are asking the question, he went to Eton and I went to Shoreditch

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Comprehensive. I actually found that Mr Cameron was always very

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fair to me and very supportive up until this incident. Why do you

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think he's backed someone like Lord Fellman who is accused of saying

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very damaging words that the party was "swivel-eyed loons", but so

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swift to dismiss you? That is a question I'm going to want answered.

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Will you vote Conservatives? Yes, I'm a Conservative always was and

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always will be, you can thank Lady Thatcher for that. No way UKIP for

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you? No.When the story broke the Prime Minister dropped Peter

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Cruddas after more than two hours. Today more than two hours after the

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new judgment Peter Cruddas has still not heard from the Prime

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Minister. David Cameron's team might want to reach out, his party

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is perceived as upper-class and out-of-touch. And there is one boy

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from Shoreditch Comprehensive who is keen to make friends again.

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It is obviously what he wants, he wants an apology from David Cameron,

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is he going to get it? It doesn't look like it right now. It is

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difficult to tell, all the key sources are on beaches in far flung

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places. They are not in policy drafting mode. But today we had a

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sign from the Tory Party chairman, who was asked seven-times to

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apologise on camera, he ducked and weaved and didn't apologise, it

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might have been, many you would say, easy. There are many colleagues who

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think just go ahead and do it. People who spoke again this evening

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to me who think he has been treated badly by dick defence and kicking

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him out after -- quick defensive, kicking him out after two hours.

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They think on a political level he is somebody who is not obviously a

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close friend of David Camerons or an old Etonian, and that is

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something that the party had massive problems and it wouldn't

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just be good manners it would be good politics to make amends.

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Conservative peer Lord Howell hit the headlines when he suggested

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fracking would be appropriate in the north-east of England because

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it was so desolate there. He has apologised and now claims he meant

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the North West. Tomorrow we will hear of another potential energy

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source producing jobs. The Government is due to launch its

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off-shore wind strategy, aimed at filling energy needs and creating

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jobs. It has certainly helped German and Danish workers. We have

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gone in search of those elusive green jobs.

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This may take some time. He has a rather long way to go. He is

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climbing an offshore wind turbine, taller than the London Eye. Out at

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sea, distances can be deceptive. This turbine's closest neighbour is

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500ms away. This is the new Lincs Windfarm, providing power to

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200,000 homes. Keeping the turbines turning is now the job of

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maintenance workers based at Grimsby docks. Many of them are ex-

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military. I think they are fantastic, I really do. I just

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think they are very peaceful to look at. There is something almost

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hypnotic about it. You just are harnessing mother nature.

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mother nature doesn't come cheap. This wind farm cost investors,

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including Centrica, �1 billion. No wonder this industry is subsidised.

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But apart from electricity, what is the taxpayer getting for its money?

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Well not the lion's share of the jobs. The turbines were built in

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Denmark. That is hardly surprising, there are no turbine manufacturers

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in the UK. Centrica says it is investing in the local work force.

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We have employed 100 individuals, predominantly locally there in

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highly-skilled jobs, engineering, technicians, vessel-type jobs. We

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are having a very positive impact in the local area. But you are

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still having to rely on the Germans and Danes when it comes to

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installation? To a certain extent we have to, to be honest. The

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technology is currently being constructed in Denmark and we have

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to bring that expertise in. That expertise is being flown in every

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day. Humberside Airport's only year-round international connection

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is from Amsterdam. The three daily KLM flights bring in Scandinavian

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off-shore workers. Such is the demand that soon there will be a

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daily flight from Copenhagen. Is it a good job? Yeah.Well paid?

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Of course. How long do you think you will be here for? For us it is

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only four weeks. Do you know which wind farm you will be working on?

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No. We don't know that yet. It is the first trip here so ...You

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from Sweden? Yeah. Legend has it that it was a Danish

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fisherman called Grim, who founded Grimsby in the 19th sent treatment

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by the mid-20th century it claimed to be the world's biggest fishing

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port. In this decaying factory they once manufactured ice to keep the

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catch fresh. The hope is that the docks can once again attract a

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large work force, this time in the offshore wind industry. For that to

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happen this renewable energy consultant says more must be done

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to recruit local people into the offshore jobs. Here on the Humber

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we have a long tradition, our economy is largely built around the

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marine industry, we have a wealth of experience and expertise in the

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oil and gas sector. It needs a firm commitment from the Government to

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the industry so employers can put their hand in the pocket and take

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the risk of spending tens of thousands of pounds to train

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somebody up to get them out there. Right now it is such an uncertain

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market it is dominated by contractors, people you can bring

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in and out when you need to. this industry certainty is all

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about knowing how much the Government will pay for electricity

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and how much electricity they actually want. After a long wait,

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long-term subsidy rates were recently' nounsed. But how much

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wind power the Government -- recently announced. How much wind

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power the Government wants is unclear. Today they generate 3.3

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gigawatts, the target for 2020 is 16 gigawatts, or 10% of the

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Government's generation capacity. Beyond that the industry says

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Government projections are uncertain. There is nothing

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abstract about the figures. They will help determine how many UK

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jobs are created. For example, at this dockyard in Hull it could be

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the site of Britain's first-ever turbine factory. Seem mens have

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been eying it up for the last -- sem mens have been eying it up for

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the last five years. But the Government wants more clarity from

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Government. At a community centre close to the site, this group are

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learning what it feels like to operate a digger using a simulator.

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They hope that one day they can help build the factory. Have you

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heard about this promise of green jobs in the area? Yeah, I read

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about it a few times in the paper. About like the wind turbine farms

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and how much job opportunities it will create. But it was like a big

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hype about a year ago and then it has just gone totally quiet, we

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haven't heard anything else since then. When we first heard about it

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I finished my apprenticeship in Brick Lane, and then I thought,

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great, there will be jobs for building the factory and stuff like

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that. What does all this talk of renewable mean, how important is it

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to the region? This region could survive because of it. Really we

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are not doing very well for ourselves. We could do a lot better.

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With this it would change everything. It is not just Hull

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that's hoping the factory comes, Tata Steel in Scunthorpe produces

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the steel plates that end up in the turbine, they are shipped overseas

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where manufacturers mould them into turbine towers. There is no

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guarantee that Seimens would buy their steel from here. Tata wants

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the Government to make local firms buy the supply chains. It needs to

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make clear to inward investors that they have a responsibility to the

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communities they are investing in. And secondly, the measures around

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local content and the wider economic benefit that they bring to

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the community need to be really well-defined, transparent and be

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able to be reported. Newsnight understands that tomorrow's

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strategy will propose that developers of large wind farms be

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required to provide the Government with a detailed supply plan. In

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other words, ministers are trying to link tax-payers' subsidies and

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UK jobs. Some though want the Government to go further and follow

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Europe's lead. Their ministers get practically involved in deals, they

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actually go out there and look out for local companies, we have just

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simply not had that to date from this Government. The links turbines

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are getting their final check -- the links turbines are getting

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their final checks by Deputy Prime Minister, Nick Clegg, who will

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officially open the farm, today he spoke of an Industrial Revolution

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led by the wind industry. The challenge now is to make that

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revolution British. The Energy Minister, Michael Fallon,

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is here. First of all you know this, you saw the flights coming in,

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bringing in Danes and Swedes and Germans and so on. Why not more

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British jobs for British workers? They were first into the wind farm,

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all this should have started years ago, they started meeting their

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renewables targets much earlier than we did. Catching up, there are

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4,000 jobs already in Britain, the foundations are made in Billing ham,

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and the steel work in Great Yarmouth. The strategy we are

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publishing tomorrow will require new developers putting up new

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turbines to have a supply chain plan that makes sure more of the

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work is done in Britain. We are publishing tomorrow more incentives

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for the foreign manufacturers, like Seimens to do their manufacturing,

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their fabrication, their assembly, the installation work in Britain.

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Do you think that would happen, the Seimens deal would be very big,

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will that happen? We have worked hard to get Siemens into the Humber,

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we want more assembly work done by them. It creates more jobs for the

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small businesses and the rest of the supply chain. There are 4,000

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at the moment. We hope to get that up to 30,000. This is the beginning

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of the North Sea oil in the 1970s. Why an F-grade, confusion, lack of

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leadership? We published the prices now, we brought that forward. The

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industry knows the support price that will be available if they want

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to invest. We have the legislation going through parliament at the

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moment. I know it has been frustrating, everybody wants

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clarity. We have published the prices right through to 2020, so

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the industry knows the background in which it can invest, there is

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more clarity and certainty now for people who want to take these

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decisions. Is part of this, implicit in the film of the bar

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again, we as tax-payers will pay for this, it will be clean energy,

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more expensive, but that will create a lot of employment. Have

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you had a figure of how many jobs? We think we can have jobs right

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across the east coast of Scotland and England and all the way down,

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30,000 jobs. Developments also in the Irish Sea and Scotland as well.

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Around 30,000 jobs in total. There is no form of cheap, free energy.

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If you want people to invest in wind turbines, like nuclear, that

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has to be paid for and you have to give them some certainty they will

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get their money back years ahead. The other energy question, which

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has been raised, yet again today, by Lord Howell, was this question

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of tracking. He said it would be appropriate in the north-east

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because it is desolate there. He has apologised and said he meant

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the North West. He right about the prospects for fracking and the fact

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we should get on with it? We should certainly get on with it. We know

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already there is probably twice as much shale gas in the north as we

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originally thought. We are having another study doing done on the

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second-largest basin in the south, Dorset, Sussex and Kent, we will

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publish an investment in the spring. It looks like there is more shale

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gas here than anybody realises. It looks like it is thicker than the

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shale in the United States where there have been dramatic reductions

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in people's gas bills and cost of energy for business. We don't know

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if we can get it out as efficient low as cheaply as they have been

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able to get it out in the United States. That is the purpose of the

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explorations. You used the word "frustration" about some of the

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things we have seen in Lincolnshire. There will be frustration from

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those in the industry. We will get on to the environmental concerns,

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but you are not getting on with the fracking quickly enough? We have

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put the tax ray genome in, the planning system is simplified, we

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make sure they know the permits from the Environment Agency. There

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are 170 licenses out there, there is nothing stopping developers

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going and exploring now, digging the exploratory we wills and asking

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permission to -- well -- exploratory wells and asking

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permission to do that. There is the issue of Lord Howell? He has

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apologised. Shale is in the north and south, some in Scotland, some

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of it all over the country. One- nation fracking we shall have?

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Indeed, we are sitting on the shale, we do owe it to the next generation

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to go down there and find out whether we can extract it and

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whether this is a new large source of cheap energy. One final point,

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while you are here. David Cameron's been asked to apologise for Peter

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Cruddas, I wondered what your thoughts on that, whether he should

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or not? Peter Cruddas has won his action against the Sunday Times, it

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is the Sunday Times who should have been apologising, they have

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libelled him badly. They should apologise. He has been dropped like

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a hot potato by Mr Cameron? resigned precisely to establish

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that there was no link between donations to the Conservative Party

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and any influence over policy. judgment was quick by the Prime

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Minister? The judgment was pretty clear that he was libelled by the

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Sunday Times, it is the Sunday Times that owes him the biggest

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apology of all. Thank you very much.

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There have been further developments in the row about rape

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threats against women on Twitter, Paul Mason has been on the case.

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Let's start with the police developments first of all? The man

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from South Shields, the 25-year-old arrested yesterday, after

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Newsnight's investigation, identified the source, the apparent

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source of one of the Twitter rape threat accounts has been released

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on bail. He was arrested on suspicion of harassment. That's the

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first thing. There have been more threats today? There have been more

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threat. There have been more rape threats against the usual women,

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there have been worryingly death threats, a specific death threat

:23:42.:23:45.

issued against five people. Caroline Criado-Perez, the

:23:45.:23:49.

campaigner, Stella Cerasy MP, and three other women in public life

:23:49.:23:56.

got this today. This is car bomb outside your house, don't call the

:23:56.:24:01.

police we will blow you up, around about now. So distressing as this

:24:01.:24:05.

is, and ludicrous at one level, it is a crime. The police are having

:24:05.:24:09.

to investigate these crimes. I have talked to the Metropolitan Police

:24:09.:24:13.

today, they have spade the problem, they are certainly taking that

:24:13.:24:18.

seriously. The problem is they are even now, only at the stage of

:24:18.:24:23.

"scoping" the investigation into the original flurry of on-line rape

:24:23.:24:27.

threats over the weekend. That means they don't even know how many

:24:27.:24:32.

perpetrators there are. There is no, for example, "operation this or

:24:32.:24:35.

that". There is no name for the operation. That is how much work

:24:36.:24:40.

lies ahead of them. We got into last night this whole question of

:24:40.:24:43.

how can you technically block some of the stuff, or stop it, there is

:24:43.:24:47.

evidence yet again of how tricky this is going to be? I'm hoping

:24:47.:24:50.

there is not a lot of our viewers who have no idea what we are

:24:50.:24:53.

talking about. But people who can use Twitter can block people

:24:53.:24:57.

individually. The idea is if it completes itself the best way would

:24:57.:25:02.

be -- if it can police itself, the best way is to get together

:25:02.:25:05.

collectively and let's make a list and throw them off, or keep them to

:25:05.:25:10.

one side, blocked. We looked at one technology that does that last

:25:10.:25:16.

tight night. It has been interesting -- night. It works on

:25:16.:25:21.

levels, violent rape threats, abusers and those who are just

:25:21.:25:26.

annoying. I have been contacted today by numerous people, internet

:25:26.:25:30.

Twitter people who say they have been put on the annoying list, and

:25:30.:25:33.

been through many of the serious ones but the people on the annoying

:25:34.:25:37.

list see that as a form of harassment, because they have been

:25:37.:25:44.

named in the same ball park as serious stuff. So it is a said/she

:25:44.:25:47.

said situation. Why does it matter and to people watching, because the

:25:47.:25:51.

police are asking Twitter and its users to police themselves. But it

:25:51.:25:55.

just gets you into all kinds of confusion that I have been spending

:25:55.:25:59.

all day today trying to get through, it is almost impossible. Last

:25:59.:26:03.

night's Newsnight caused a bit of a stir on Twitter? It did, in the

:26:04.:26:06.

studio there was this debate between Stella Cerasy and Toby

:26:06.:26:11.

Young the journalist, during that debate, somebody in the Scottish

:26:11.:26:16.

police force used the Scottish police official account to tweet

:26:16.:26:20.

this, Stella Cerasy had called him into account about his tweet over a

:26:20.:26:24.

female MP's breasts, I think we will let our viewers read for

:26:24.:26:30.

themselves what the police official account said about Toby Young.

:26:30.:26:33.

There will be somebody helping the Scottish police with their

:26:33.:26:38.

inquiries over that. It has been withdrawn. The problem is, for all

:26:38.:26:42.

of that, watch what you tweet. Tweet safely? But there is some

:26:42.:26:45.

serious stuff out there. Thank you very much.

:26:45.:26:50.

A cartoon in today's Times newspaper gives a flavour of how

:26:50.:26:54.

Zimbabwe's election today is seen in many parts of the world, the

:26:54.:26:57.

cartoon President Robert Mugabe says he would like to thank the

:26:57.:27:01.

people of Zimbabwe for his election victory tomorrow. At 89 years old

:27:01.:27:05.

he's Africa's longest-serving leader and reports that eight

:27:05.:27:09.

million ballot papers have been printed for an license rate of just

:27:09.:27:19.
:27:19.:27:21.

over six million. Suggest -- a population of just over six million.

:27:21.:27:27.

He talks about the ballot box. Robert Mugabe do swear that I will

:27:28.:27:32.

be faithful...To Some Mugabe is the ultimate cartoon villain, a

:27:32.:27:35.

ruthless leader who has used violence and electoral fraud to

:27:35.:27:42.

cling to power for 33 years in Zimbabwe. He was lauded by royalty

:27:42.:27:46.

when sworn in as the new country's leader. The former liberation

:27:46.:27:51.

fighter like Nelson Mandela initially brought hopes of

:27:51.:27:54.

reconciliation between black Zimbabwean and white. Within a few

:27:54.:27:59.

years he put down a small rebellion by former guerrillas with such

:27:59.:28:04.

violence thousands of civilians were killed. Then came the land

:28:04.:28:08.

reclaimation programme, which saw thousands of white farmers evicted.

:28:08.:28:12.

Their land handed to Mugabe cronies. Western sanctions followed, that

:28:12.:28:16.

plus mismanagement brought about economic collapse. Hyperinflation

:28:16.:28:23.

and a basket base currency. By the end of the last decade millions had

:28:23.:28:30.

fled the country and 40% of those remaining were reliant on food aid.

:28:30.:28:33.

Opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai stepped forward to take on the

:28:33.:28:36.

increasing tyrannical regime. But after an organised campaign of

:28:36.:28:39.

violence in which hundreds of his supporters were killed, injured or

:28:39.:28:45.

jailed, he pulled out of the rigged 2008 elections. Mugabe eventually

:28:45.:28:52.

agreed to share power, and the two men have led an uneasy coalition

:28:52.:28:55.

since 2009. These days things appear brighter in Zimbabwe, where

:28:55.:28:59.

the economy has stablised and today's election has been conducted

:28:59.:29:05.

without the violence of the past. At 89 Robert Mugabe promised voting

:29:05.:29:11.

would be free and fair he will step down if defeated. Years ago he

:29:11.:29:15.

promised to turn the grand Government house into an orphanage,

:29:16.:29:22.

the first of many promises he would break. Observers in Zimbabwe

:29:22.:29:26.

reported a large turnout, with elections passing peacefully.

:29:26.:29:29.

Morgan Tsvangirai appeared confident as he cast his vote

:29:29.:29:34.

earlier, his party has expressed concern over alleged irregularities

:29:34.:29:38.

on the voters' role. Counting was due to begin tonight, it is thought

:29:38.:29:44.

the results could be close with the candidates facing the prospect of a

:29:44.:29:51.

run-off election. I'm joined by my guests in the studio.

:29:51.:29:54.

If Tsvangirai win, will Mugabe leave power? Tsvangirai is not

:29:54.:29:58.

going to win the election, because there is no evidence that suggests

:29:58.:30:04.

that he will. You need to turn the argument in slightly different ways.

:30:04.:30:07.

Presumably you believe the people have a chance to vote. There must

:30:07.:30:10.

be a chance for Tsvangirai to win? There isn't a chance, because the

:30:10.:30:14.

evidence tells us something else. What does it tell you? If we look

:30:14.:30:20.

at the pattern of the prime rows across all political parties, the

:30:20.:30:26.

participation of members of the public at all rallies, the evidence

:30:26.:30:30.

provided by independent pollsters not ones associated with any

:30:30.:30:36.

political institutions, over the last year or so, they all indicate

:30:36.:30:43.

ZANU-PF victory. That is my starting point. So the Times

:30:43.:30:48.

cartoon is right, thank you for the victory tomorrow? The odds are

:30:48.:30:51.

stacked against Morgan Tsvangirai, there is ballot rigging and a

:30:52.:30:55.

campaign to manipulate the ballot with millions of extra voters,

:30:55.:30:59.

keeping out the young voters and inflating the numbers of elderly

:30:59.:31:03.

and rural voters more likely to support Mugabe. In 23

:31:03.:31:06.

constituencies there is more people on the register that live there.

:31:06.:31:16.
:31:16.:31:16.

There is 109,000 people over 100, there is 129% of votes than should

:31:16.:31:24.

be there. Dead people can vote? Just a month ago there is a

:31:24.:31:28.

referendum where they went around campaigning for the yes vote. They

:31:28.:31:33.

used the same voters' role. In the coalition Government the MDC that

:31:33.:31:37.

knew the election would take place this month, this year, July, did

:31:37.:31:42.

nothing to contest those figures, to contest the ballot papers. If I

:31:42.:31:47.

could just finish. Every time the MDC makes these allegations, when

:31:47.:31:54.

you ask them to produce the evidence that cor relates the

:31:54.:32:02.

evidence to the claim of ballot rig, -- co-relates the evidence of the

:32:02.:32:07.

claim of ballot rigging. It is possible the MDC will lose? If it

:32:07.:32:11.

was a free election. It is more likely the MDC will win

:32:11.:32:15.

convincingly. The truth is it is not just the MDC saying this, it is

:32:15.:32:18.

independent auditors who have been through it and come up with the

:32:18.:32:22.

same thing. Indeed when I was there, I was given internal papers

:32:22.:32:25.

belonging to the highest levels of security explaining precisely how

:32:25.:32:31.

they were going to rig the election, who was funding it and the

:32:31.:32:35.

mechanisms they were using to do it. It is a total manipulation of the

:32:35.:32:40.

register, it has gown on before? Just a minute, let me look at this,

:32:40.:32:44.

the Catholic justice committee, not a firm friend of ZANU-PF today has

:32:44.:32:49.

issued a statement that the election is free and fair. Others

:32:49.:32:54.

say the same, the Chinese have said the same, the AU is saying the same.

:32:54.:32:59.

I want to see the evidence that backs up the allegations and claims

:32:59.:33:04.

that he this make. I haven't seen it. I printed it for you, it shows

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the Chinese are helping ZANU-PF steal the election. The Chinese are

:33:09.:33:12.

there. It is telling of the election observers allowed into the

:33:12.:33:17.

country the UN was not allowed in the EU of not allowed in, the Jimmy

:33:17.:33:22.

Carter Centre was not allowed in, who was allowed in? Belarus, Iran,

:33:22.:33:26.

China, Venezuela, they are not bastions of democracy. They are the

:33:26.:33:30.

sort of countries allowed in? need to distinguish between the

:33:30.:33:35.

hate campaign. It is not a hate campaign, it is support for

:33:35.:33:40.

democracy. The hate campaign against, the kind of demonisation

:33:40.:33:44.

of the institution, that is the favourite hobby horse of western

:33:44.:33:50.

institutions. There are 600 observer people within Zimbabwe,

:33:50.:33:54.

they know Zimbabwe. Western diplomats are in Zimbabwe, they

:33:54.:33:58.

know it. What is it that the west sees that the rest of Africa

:33:58.:34:01.

doesn't see what is this claim, what is this claim? The answer is

:34:02.:34:07.

easy to that, in 2002 you wrote that Robert Mugabe was a person

:34:07.:34:11.

best placed to improve public services there, and to prevent HIV

:34:11.:34:14.

AIDS from ripping through the country, five years later after the

:34:14.:34:18.

man you supported had been in Government it had the second worst

:34:18.:34:23.

hyper-inflation in history, it had no food in the shops, hospitals

:34:23.:34:30.

with doors looked and the life expectancy had halved. It is not us

:34:30.:34:33.

who are demonising Robert Mugabe, it is the people there suffering

:34:34.:34:37.

very, very badly, and have suffered underneath him, they are the people

:34:37.:34:41.

who are angry. In 2008, let's not forget, it was Robert Mugabe's

:34:41.:34:45.

forces and the generals really running the country behind him who

:34:45.:34:49.

unleashed the most hidious violence against ordinary supporters of the

:34:49.:34:55.

MDC. You can play the argument that you have run over the last 15 years

:34:55.:35:00.

add naus yum, in news speak we all austerity measure, they were

:35:00.:35:05.

imposed upon Zimbabwe, in the years loading up to 20008, and they

:35:06.:35:10.

created conditions in which the largest exit of public sector

:35:10.:35:19.

workers left Zimbabwe. We are running out of time. It is all the

:35:19.:35:23.

outsiders' fault? No, the reasons caused for the crisis are not by

:35:23.:35:29.

Robert Mugabe alone. We have to ask who made the Zimbabwe economy

:35:29.:35:33.

scream. Robert Mugabe.No the EU directors were set up to do exactly

:35:33.:35:37.

that. You have both been very clear thank you very much. What's going

:35:37.:35:41.

on and going wrong in Hollywood, some of the summer block busters,

:35:41.:35:44.

Pacific Rim, Lone Ranger and After Earth, just aren't bringing the

:35:44.:35:48.

punters to the cinema. One of America's great directors, Steven

:35:48.:35:53.

Soderbergh, chose to make his critically acclaimed movie about

:35:53.:35:57.

Liberace, Behind The Candelabra for American TV. Now Spike Leely is

:35:57.:36:04.

asking his fans to fund his next -- Spike Lee is asking his fans to

:36:05.:36:14.

fund his next movie. First a low- budget B movie from Stephen Smith.

:36:14.:36:22.

Look at her? She's gone Hollywood. He's the same. Meet the backers of

:36:22.:36:26.

Spike Le, he's new film, anybody, it could be you or me. Maybe not

:36:26.:36:36.
:36:36.:36:40.

you. The Oscar-nominated Lee is crowd-funding his new movie, some

:36:40.:36:43.

say Joint, said to be a vampire picture. He has turned his back on

:36:43.:36:53.
:36:53.:36:54.

the big studio, or is it the other way round? While you weigh up

:36:54.:37:01.

whether you fancy investing or not, here is a reminder of Lee's work.

:37:01.:37:09.

From his debut picture, She's Gotta Have It. Are you following me.

:37:09.:37:14.

were following me. Oh. I was. But I was minding my own business waiting

:37:14.:37:18.

for the 41 bus when you walked by. I know it sounds corny but if I

:37:18.:37:22.

didn't follow I might not ever see you again. Jo you are right, that

:37:22.:37:32.
:37:32.:37:32.

does sound corny. The lower budget film which is

:37:32.:37:35.

swimming in and tends to get squeezed. The sorts of films we

:37:35.:37:40.

like to make and that Spike likes to make may be more dramatic, less

:37:40.:37:47.

obvious, if you like, in a quick sell. Almost definitely have no

:37:47.:37:51.

sequel potential. And also are probably what we call quite a small

:37:51.:37:55.

bullseye, you have to make a good movie to make an audience go out

:37:55.:38:05.

and see it. Is it a coincidence that Spike Leely's passing the hat

:38:05.:38:09.

around after a number of Hollywood big ticket summer releases

:38:09.:38:15.

underperformed. Take Johnny Depp in the Lone Ranger, which reportedly

:38:15.:38:20.

cost $250 million. It is not out here yet, but in the states the

:38:20.:38:27.

Lone Ranger turned out to be all "high ho" and no silver. Taking $85

:38:27.:38:37.

million. Never mind, let's put some actors in robot suits and have them

:38:37.:38:43.

fight monsters and blow getting on for $200 million. What's not to

:38:43.:38:48.

like, the takings, that is what. Pacific Rim has earned less than

:38:48.:38:55.

half its cost, $84 million. All of Hollywood's prejudices have been

:38:55.:38:59.

confirmed this summer. They believe very strongly in tranchiess,

:38:59.:39:04.

sequels to existing properties, and also to films based on what they

:39:04.:39:07.

lovingly called established properties, existing characters and

:39:07.:39:12.

so those films, whether based on a famous character like Superman, or

:39:12.:39:20.

a sequel, like Iron Man, Star Trek, Fast & Furious 6, Dispeckable Me,

:39:20.:39:26.

they have done all done very well. So much so the movies are planning

:39:26.:39:31.

aure with Superman and Batman, they announced this at a comic beacon

:39:31.:39:36.

veings, to a thrilled audience of men with no dependants. To get a

:39:36.:39:41.

win in Hollywood you need a man who can fly, they have two, that puts

:39:41.:39:51.

them ahead of anybody else. Let's talk about us, if we back Spike

:39:51.:40:00.

Leely's film, we will have our names in lights. Won't we?

:40:00.:40:03.

investors don't get an awful lot from that. They will get

:40:03.:40:08.

potentially, depending on the level of Government, maybe a signed DVD

:40:08.:40:12.

or invited to the premier, or a non--speaking role. But the model

:40:12.:40:16.

is not that they will -- non- speaking role. The model is not

:40:16.:40:21.

that they will recoup their investment. All right Spike I'm in.

:40:21.:40:26.

I spoke to the director Spike Lee a moment ago and asked why studios

:40:26.:40:33.

are not putting money into Spike Lee? This particular film is not a

:40:33.:40:39.

film they think that they can make a trillion dollars on. This is a

:40:39.:40:45.

small, personal film, so I'm not, I want you to understand clearly I'm

:40:45.:40:51.

not condemning Hollywood. I'm not saying I won't work with Hollywood,

:40:51.:40:57.

the film that is coming outd in the fall Oh Boy is a studio film. Some

:40:57.:41:02.

films they will do with me, and my more personal films they are not

:41:02.:41:08.

going to do, he's fine, that is why I'm appealing directly to my fans,

:41:08.:41:13.

especially the ones in the UK who have may have loved my films since

:41:13.:41:19.

going back to 1986 with She's Gotta Have It. I have a lot of fans in

:41:19.:41:23.

the UK. You do. But you have got to tell the fans what the film is

:41:23.:41:26.

about? Otherwise what are they backing? This is a film about human

:41:26.:41:31.

beings who are addicted to blood. They are not vampires, we're not

:41:31.:41:40.

doing a black Twilight, we are not remaking the blackexploitation film,

:41:40.:41:47.

Blacula. We can have many addictions, sex, drugs, alcohol,

:41:47.:41:54.

power, money, this is a film, my vision about people who are

:41:54.:42:00.

addicted to blood. And what they will do to keep living. I tell

:42:00.:42:05.

people when they ask the question, just like you asked, I would say it

:42:05.:42:11.

is a psychological bloody thriller, a sexy psychological bloody

:42:11.:42:17.

thriller. How much of a risk is it to do this on Kickstarter, you have

:42:17.:42:25.

until the end of August to race $1.25 million? We have 21 more days,

:42:25.:42:29.

sir and my whole career has been about risk. When I was in film

:42:29.:42:37.

school, when I was back in film school from 1979-1982, NYU graduate

:42:37.:42:42.

film school, where Ang Lee was my classmate, there was only one

:42:42.:42:49.

African-American working in Hollywood. Only one. So from the

:42:49.:42:54.

very beginning I have not let risk stop me from doing what I feel I

:42:54.:42:59.

need to do. Will you get the money? No, I'm just saying overall, in my

:42:59.:43:06.

film career I have not let risk stop me from achieving my vision,

:43:06.:43:12.

my goal. Do you think a young Spike Lee would make it in Hollywood

:43:12.:43:15.

today? Even Spielberg and Lucas have said it, the industry has

:43:15.:43:25.
:43:25.:43:26.

changed. The world of film in 1986 where I made my first film, She's

:43:26.:43:36.
:43:36.:43:37.

Gotta Have It, which I raised the money myself. $175,000, it went on

:43:37.:43:44.

to make so much at the box-office, that world has gone. I have been

:43:44.:43:47.

doing Kickstarter before there was Kickstarter. I was writing letters,

:43:47.:43:52.

writing postcards, making phone calls, but now there is more

:43:52.:44:01.

technology. There is technology now, social media, so I'm using the new

:44:01.:44:09.

tools but I was doing this way back in 1986. I self-financed my last

:44:09.:44:14.

film, Red Hook Summer, hi to use a Kickstarter method -- I had to use

:44:14.:44:17.

a Kickstarter method before there was Kickstarter to finish Malcolm X.

:44:17.:44:26.

The only reason it got finished is because I had to call up personally

:44:26.:44:32.

Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Bill Cosby, Oprah Winfrey, Prince, Janet

:44:32.:44:39.

Jackson, and others who gave me the money to finish the film. Just a

:44:39.:44:43.

final thought, in ten years time will you be making films this way?

:44:43.:44:48.

Asking your fans do you think this is the future? I think this is

:44:48.:44:57.

something you only do once. So I hope that with me being a success

:44:57.:45:01.

this is a perfect example for young film makers that it can be done. It

:45:01.:45:10.

was done before Veronica Mar s which was a cancelled TV show, they

:45:10.:45:20.
:45:20.:45:21.

mazeed $5.5 million, and the actor ZacBraff raised $3.5 million. They

:45:21.:45:25.

were successes before we are doing it now. Thank you very much?Thank

:45:25.:45:30.

you for letting me speak to the people of the UK, go Arsenal.

:45:30.:45:37.

Thanks to Mrs Tiggy Wrinkle, the hedgehog has had a special place in

:45:37.:45:40.

Britain, the position is now cemented, it won a national

:45:40.:45:47.

popularity poll by BBC Wildlife, by a healthy 42%. We like hedgehogs as

:45:47.:45:51.

In-depth investigation and analysis of the stories behind the day's headlines. With Gavin Esler.


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