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From Bongo Bongo Land to "sluts" the UKIP MEP who wrecked his own | :00:10. | :00:19. | |
party conference with foot-in-mouth disease. I said "you're all sluts" | :00:19. | :00:25. | |
and we all had a jolly good laugh. Why is that funny? I thought it was | :00:25. | :00:28. | |
funny and everyone in the room thought it was funny, why not ask | :00:28. | :00:31. | |
them why they lost. He lost the whip, has the party lost the plot | :00:31. | :00:38. | |
we will hear from one of Godfrey Bloom's UKIP colleagues. The | :00:38. | :00:43. | |
vigilantes hunting paedophiles. The children groomed for sex on the | :00:43. | :00:47. | |
Internet in their own homes. Is rough justice ever part of the | :00:47. | :00:52. | |
solution. We have the inside story. As BlackBerry tonight shed more | :00:52. | :00:57. | |
than 4,000 jobs one of the top business thinkers tells Newsnight | :00:57. | :01:01. | |
which smart companies will be next to fail. Nokia is essentially gone, | :01:01. | :01:07. | |
BlackBerry is essentially gone. And now Apple is next. | :01:07. | :01:18. | |
Good evening, so it is your big moment as a political leader toe | :01:18. | :01:23. | |
party conference. You promise a political earthquake and suggest | :01:23. | :01:27. | |
your ambitions are almost limitness. Then you find out one of your | :01:27. | :01:33. | |
closest political friends has described women who don't do proper | :01:33. | :01:38. | |
house cleaning "sluts" and hit someone on the head with a party | :01:38. | :01:42. | |
conference programme. Not a scene from a sitcom, but today at the | :01:42. | :01:46. | |
UKIP conference. We have been discussing sluts and other matters | :01:46. | :01:50. | |
with the man at the centre of it all, UKIP MEP, Godfrey Bloom. | :01:50. | :01:55. | |
Britain is going to make the great escape. Good morning. Please | :01:55. | :02:06. | |
welcome Nigel Farage. A hero's welcome for the man making UKIP | :02:06. | :02:15. | |
grow up. Nigel Farage even had the mandatory pumping music, so beloved | :02:15. | :02:22. | |
of our politicians. The day started so well for him. What I suggest we | :02:22. | :02:35. | |
do is we turn the European elections May 22nd and give our as | :02:35. | :02:40. | |
an opportunity to give our opinion on the European Union and open | :02:40. | :02:43. | |
borders. Here we are outside the UKIP conference boozer, moments | :02:43. | :02:47. | |
away from Downing Street and the corridors of power. What would | :02:47. | :02:50. | |
happen if Nigel Farage's party got lucky, very, very lucky, but lucky | :02:50. | :02:55. | |
enough to get anywhere near power in 2015. Is his team ready? The | :02:55. | :03:00. | |
events of today suggest not. Nigel Farage we have just found you in | :03:01. | :03:05. | |
the pub at 3.00, if you were PM you wouldn't be able to do that? Why | :03:05. | :03:10. | |
not. Are you ready for Government, personally? We are not going to be | :03:10. | :03:13. | |
forming a Government in 2015, of course we are not. That is a | :03:13. | :03:17. | |
ridiculous jump to even contemplate, however, if we get our ducks in a | :03:17. | :03:22. | |
row, and we target effectively and sensibly in 2015 we will get a good | :03:22. | :03:27. | |
representation of UKIP MPs over there in Westminster. Who knows, | :03:27. | :03:34. | |
may even hold the balance of power? Nigel Farage has been attempting to | :03:34. | :03:38. | |
clean up his party and equip them with sensible policies. Mere | :03:38. | :03:42. | |
moments later he would suffer a setback in this endeavour. As we | :03:42. | :03:47. | |
were speaks, down the road his economic spokesman was being | :03:47. | :03:52. | |
kippered, or U-kippered. What do you make of the front of the | :03:53. | :03:56. | |
conference brochure with no black comments on it. What a racist | :03:56. | :04:00. | |
comment, that is an appalling thing to say, you are picking people out | :04:00. | :04:05. | |
for the colour of their skin, you disgust me, get out of my way. | :04:05. | :04:09. | |
REPORTER: What is appalling about making that point? You, Sir, are a | :04:09. | :04:15. | |
racist. REPORTER: What is racist? You have taken this and picked out | :04:15. | :04:22. | |
the colour of people's faces, it is disgraceful! He then arrived to see | :04:22. | :04:28. | |
Newsnight, what about other he made at the lunchtime event. Jane | :04:28. | :04:34. | |
Collins the speaker said I don't clean behind the fridge and none of | :04:34. | :04:40. | |
the ladies said they didn't clean behind the fridge, and I said | :04:40. | :04:46. | |
you're all shrults, you are untidy you leave your kit hanging around, | :04:46. | :04:49. | |
has your mother never called you a slut. She has called me other | :04:49. | :04:53. | |
things, but not that. It was no malice, it was a joke, it was all | :04:53. | :04:57. | |
on camera. And if you listen to what was said you will know that | :04:57. | :04:58. | |
on camera. And if you listen to was a joke appreciated by everybody | :04:58. | :05:03. | |
there, men and women alike. A lot of people watching won't like that, | :05:03. | :05:07. | |
do you understand why? It depends, you are skewing this, why not ask | :05:07. | :05:09. | |
the ladies who were there. It you are skewing this, why not ask | :05:09. | :05:13. | |
fun, it was a joke, and most people in Britain have a sense of humour, | :05:13. | :05:17. | |
even if you don't. But there are two sides to UKIP, | :05:17. | :05:24. | |
Diane James stood in and very nearly won the Eastleigh by- | :05:24. | :05:28. | |
election, like Nigel Farage she was not happy with Bloom. Are you | :05:28. | :05:29. | |
election, like Nigel Farage she was saying that when you put a slate of | :05:30. | :05:33. | |
candidates forward in 2015 that they will of your ilk or of Godfrey | :05:33. | :05:42. | |
Bloom's ilk, they are probably listening to him today and being | :05:42. | :05:45. | |
worried. I would say they will be of my ilk, thank you for that | :05:45. | :05:49. | |
compliment. The process we have gone through to select our MEP | :05:49. | :05:53. | |
candidates, I'm sure you will trip me up with Godfrey got through that. | :05:53. | :05:57. | |
The point is over 300 people put their names forward, that was | :05:57. | :06:02. | |
whittled down to over 200, 60 have come through. It was meant to be an | :06:02. | :06:07. | |
upbeat conference, but Farrage accused bloom blom of destroying it, | :06:07. | :06:11. | |
and UKIP -- Bloom of destroying it and UKIP withdrew the whip from him. | :06:11. | :06:19. | |
David Cameron described UKIP once as "fruitcakes" he regrets that now, | :06:19. | :06:24. | |
but Nigel Farage seems to be picking the fruitier bits from the | :06:24. | :06:28. | |
cake, that is a long exercise and my mother could tell him that. | :06:28. | :06:33. | |
I am a joined by Roger Helmer from UKIP. How big a problem do you have | :06:33. | :06:38. | |
with fruitcakes from the party? We have a problem with the remarks | :06:38. | :06:43. | |
Godfrey made sod, I'm not here to defend them. The whole party is | :06:43. | :06:47. | |
saddened. We were having a great conference with some serious stuff, | :06:47. | :06:52. | |
and I quite understand that the whole media story now is Godfrey | :06:52. | :06:56. | |
Bloom. It is a disaster for you? In media presentation of our | :06:56. | :06:59. | |
conference it is not good news. You knew about him after Bongo Bongo | :06:59. | :07:03. | |
Land and other things, you knew and Nigel Farage knew he could be a | :07:03. | :07:08. | |
problem. Why not just get rid of him before, it is about Nigel | :07:08. | :07:14. | |
Farage's leadership? He's a colourful and outspoken character, | :07:14. | :07:18. | |
and we all can be and we have lots of those. Bongo Bongo Land, that is | :07:18. | :07:23. | |
colourful? I thought that was just about liveable with, today it was | :07:23. | :07:26. | |
not liveable with and the party is right to withdraw the whip. Isn't | :07:27. | :07:31. | |
it because it spoiled your conference, not because of the | :07:31. | :07:35. | |
"sluts" comment and the Bongo Bongo Land, that wouldn't have been | :07:35. | :07:40. | |
acceptable. Wouldn't it be acceptable as long as it didn't | :07:40. | :07:45. | |
upstage Nigel Farage, which it did? Godfrey tries to justify it by | :07:45. | :07:49. | |
saying it was a joke, if you listen to the tape everybody there laughed. | :07:49. | :07:52. | |
In the context of the meeting it was accepted as a light-hearted | :07:52. | :08:01. | |
remark. But it shows, in my view, a serious misjudgment, because any | :08:01. | :08:04. | |
politician would know that a light- hearted remark can be picked out | :08:04. | :08:08. | |
and shown on the television in a different situation and everybody | :08:08. | :08:11. | |
says quite rightly that was one wise and not the right thing to say. | :08:11. | :08:16. | |
Saying to somebody from the media "you are a racist" for pointing out | :08:16. | :08:24. | |
of the 200-pictures on your conference programme they are white | :08:24. | :08:28. | |
faces, and then whacking them on the head, that is not a joke? It is | :08:28. | :08:33. | |
not acceptable, and the first line he might have got away with, I | :08:33. | :08:36. | |
don't know, that piece of behaviour, it is the job of politicians to | :08:36. | :08:39. | |
communicate with the public. It is the job of politicians to | :08:39. | :08:42. | |
communicate with the media in an orderly and decent way. And frankly | :08:42. | :08:47. | |
I was shocked when I saw that. Were you also shocked when it was | :08:47. | :08:50. | |
pointed out that all these faces are white, or does that not matter? | :08:50. | :08:54. | |
What I would point out to you is we have a list of 60 candidates for | :08:54. | :08:57. | |
What I would point out to you is we our MEP election next year, and | :08:57. | :09:00. | |
there is a significant number, don't ask me how many, because I | :09:00. | :09:05. | |
haven't added it up, of ethnic minorities and incidentally women, | :09:05. | :09:09. | |
we have women likely to be elected, I'm delighted by that. You don't | :09:09. | :09:15. | |
have a problem the brochure, 200 pictures all of white people? I | :09:15. | :09:19. | |
wasn't aware of that until we saw it on the television. Would you | :09:19. | :09:23. | |
change it now? If we could go back we would do it differently. You can | :09:24. | :09:27. | |
see the image problem, Nigel Farage made a speech very well received in | :09:27. | :09:28. | |
the hall, he talked about wanting made a speech very well received in | :09:28. | :09:33. | |
the country back and people nodding, and people looking at this will say | :09:33. | :09:36. | |
the country you want back might be a country where it is OK to have | :09:36. | :09:39. | |
200 white people and no black a country where it is OK to have | :09:39. | :09:42. | |
people on the brochure and women cleaning behind the fridge? We want | :09:42. | :09:47. | |
a country where women can stand for the Westminster parliament and for | :09:47. | :09:51. | |
the European Parliament, where people of ethnic minorities can do | :09:51. | :09:54. | |
sow and are respected, that applies in our party. This is why we are | :09:54. | :09:58. | |
disappointed by these remarks, as you rightly say. It gives the wrong | :09:58. | :10:02. | |
impression of our party. Just a final thought, will the party be | :10:02. | :10:07. | |
much more disciplined now or if Mr Bloom, who is still a member, | :10:07. | :10:11. | |
continues as a member, people might think it is still OK to say these | :10:11. | :10:16. | |
things. You have to get rid of him, don't you? We are a party with a | :10:16. | :10:21. | |
constitution and rules. It was possible to withdrew the whip on | :10:21. | :10:22. | |
constitution and rules. It was the spur of the moment in an | :10:23. | :10:26. | |
emergency situation, the Party Chairman has the right to do that. | :10:26. | :10:29. | |
The National Executive Committee must consider the situation and | :10:29. | :10:32. | |
must make an appropriate decision. It is not for me to make that | :10:32. | :10:35. | |
decision, they will make that decision and we will see which way | :10:35. | :10:37. | |
it goes. decision and we will see which way | :10:37. | :10:42. | |
Phil Collins a columnist on the Times is here as is Isabel Hardman | :10:42. | :10:45. | |
of the Spectator. Does this matter very much in terms of UKIP's image? | :10:45. | :10:49. | |
I think it does. Godfrey Bloom is the gift that keeps on giving, he's | :10:49. | :10:53. | |
fabulous for us. But I think he does have implications for his best | :10:53. | :10:56. | |
fabulous for us. But I think he buddy Nigel Farage as well. If you | :10:56. | :10:59. | |
think that Mr Bloom is funny talking about fridge cleaning, you | :10:59. | :11:04. | |
should hear him on economics, he's hilarious, he's a nationalist, | :11:04. | :11:06. | |
protectionist, it is closed economy hilarious, he's a nationalist, | :11:06. | :11:10. | |
nonsense. What's happening here is that UKIP are being exposed as a | :11:10. | :11:14. | |
non-serious party. You say that, but this could be a grow-up moment, | :11:14. | :11:18. | |
it could be a moment where the speech which otherwise went down | :11:18. | :11:22. | |
well from the loader of the party ends up with him disciplining, d | :11:22. | :11:26. | |
the leader of the party ends up with him disciplining one of his | :11:26. | :11:31. | |
mates. It was inevitable they would withdrew the whip from Godfrey | :11:31. | :11:34. | |
today, he has greatest hits of odd comments he has been making over | :11:34. | :11:39. | |
the years. I have had a run in with him, he said I would be fine to | :11:39. | :11:45. | |
employ because I could work from home, close to the fridge I would | :11:45. | :11:49. | |
imagine! It was going today, Nigel Farage gave a good speech and Paul | :11:49. | :11:54. | |
Nuttall gave a good speech, he's a different story to Nigel Farage, | :11:54. | :11:57. | |
he's from Liverpool with a good back story, then it all became | :11:57. | :12:01. | |
about Godfrey hitting a journalist and using an offensive world. Ed | :12:01. | :12:05. | |
Miliband is saying something interesting tonight about what is | :12:05. | :12:09. | |
called at least some people call it the bedroom tax. Our conference is | :12:09. | :12:13. | |
all about how we tackle the cost of living crisis facing so many | :12:13. | :12:16. | |
families, we will be showing during the course of the week how we | :12:16. | :12:18. | |
families, we will be showing during going to do that. We are starting | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
by showing how we would abolish the bedroom tax, by ending boardroom | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
tax loopholes that this Government is allowing. That is a fair choice | :12:25. | :12:26. | |
that will help disabled people and is allowing. That is a fair choice | :12:26. | :12:29. | |
some of the people in the greatest hardship in our country. Phil, do | :12:29. | :12:32. | |
you think he's on the right side of this, do you think he has done the | :12:32. | :12:35. | |
right thing for the party conference coming up? I do actually. | :12:35. | :12:40. | |
I think this is a very bad policy, 70% of people who pay it are | :12:40. | :12:44. | |
disabled. It's very clear that the housing stock isn't there for | :12:44. | :12:45. | |
people to move out. People are housing stock isn't there for | :12:45. | :12:48. | |
already falling into arrears who have never been arrears before. The | :12:49. | :12:52. | |
already falling into arrears who danger for Ed Miliband is it is | :12:52. | :12:55. | |
then easy to portray him as soft on welfare. Which has been a worry for | :12:55. | :12:59. | |
the party for a while? It is a serious predicament for him. He | :12:59. | :13:03. | |
can't allow this particular policy to be the icon for welfare reform. | :13:03. | :13:05. | |
can't allow this particular policy Has to do other things. It is | :13:05. | :13:10. | |
perfectly reasonable to say this is an incompetent policy and the wrong | :13:10. | :13:13. | |
symbol of welfare reform and putting too great a burden on too | :13:13. | :13:17. | |
few people. I think he's right. You can understand when it comes to the | :13:17. | :13:20. | |
conference people like you will say that is a spending | :13:20. | :13:21. | |
conference people like you will say actually that you are going to make, | :13:21. | :13:22. | |
how about some other ones in terms actually that you are going to make, | :13:22. | :13:26. | |
of taxation or other things? Absolutely. I una that Ed Miliband | :13:26. | :13:31. | |
and Ed Balls had -- I understand that Ed Miliband and Ed Balls had a | :13:31. | :13:37. | |
row about scrapping this cut, because Ed Miliband doesn't want to | :13:37. | :13:40. | |
row about scrapping this cut, appear profligate. It is about | :13:40. | :13:44. | |
appearing tough on this. It is OK about the bedroom tax that is a bad | :13:45. | :13:49. | |
policy implemented badly. You have to look at other places in welfare | :13:49. | :13:55. | |
you can appear tough. Labour had a welfare week recently but | :13:55. | :13:57. | |
you can appear tough. Labour had a sure it cut through to voters. You | :13:57. | :14:00. | |
have to buy other things, it is not very expensive because it doesn't | :14:00. | :14:05. | |
raise much money, it is not a very profligate thing to do. It would be | :14:05. | :14:09. | |
tempting to say let's stick with everything and there is a risk | :14:09. | :14:10. | |
involved, it is the right thing everything and there is a risk | :14:10. | :14:14. | |
do, as long as it is accompanied by other things. Do you think this is | :14:14. | :14:17. | |
not just something that will appeal it the party's left, it might have | :14:17. | :14:21. | |
broader appeal, given the kind of campaign that has been waged about | :14:21. | :14:26. | |
this? It is an interesting way of Ed Miliband appealing to the | :14:26. | :14:28. | |
campaigning groups around the bedroom tax. There is a lot of them | :14:28. | :14:30. | |
campaigning outside the Lib Dem bedroom tax. There is a lot of them | :14:30. | :14:33. | |
conference, they are organised and vocal, for him to get them on side | :14:33. | :14:37. | |
is a good thing. It is not the most popular of the welfare cuts. If you | :14:37. | :14:42. | |
pledged to scrap the benefit cap, that is the most popular benefit | :14:42. | :14:46. | |
that pollsters have touched that would be a different thing. There | :14:46. | :14:49. | |
is a way to do it, we are in favour of welfare reform, the Government | :14:50. | :14:54. | |
are messing it up and this is an incompetent cut. You have to be | :14:54. | :14:57. | |
cred be on that. If you were a parent concerned that your child | :14:58. | :15:03. | |
was being targeted on-line by paedophiles where would you turn. | :15:03. | :15:06. | |
One young mother who was worried her 15-year-old daughter was being | :15:06. | :15:13. | |
groomed, chose to take her concerns to a vigilante group on-line, | :15:13. | :15:17. | |
rather than going to the police. Today the man was jailed for eight | :15:18. | :15:22. | |
years for offences against children. Our colleagues gained exclusive | :15:22. | :15:33. | |
access to the vigilante group. To some they are good Samaritans, to | :15:33. | :15:38. | |
others dang vus vigilante. Here a group of amateur paedophile hunters | :15:38. | :15:42. | |
chase a man they believe has been trying to meet an under-age girl | :15:42. | :15:45. | |
for sex. She's 14, you think it is OK to meet her for sex. Since | :15:45. | :15:49. | |
January, Letzgohunting have been monitoring people on-line they | :15:49. | :15:54. | |
believe are engaged in on-line grooming. We create a profile on | :15:54. | :15:59. | |
various internet websites of a young girl, then we just sit and | :15:59. | :16:03. | |
wait for people to message us. When they do we reply to reiterate our | :16:03. | :16:12. | |
age and let us see where the conversation goes. Before they | :16:12. | :16:15. | |
would speak to us the members of the group insisted on innim and | :16:15. | :16:20. | |
refused to reveal their idea -- anonymity, and refused to reveal | :16:20. | :16:26. | |
their identity. They claimed their first success. This is the moment | :16:26. | :16:32. | |
James Stone came face-to-face with Letzgohunting camera. The camera is | :16:32. | :16:38. | |
for our protection. We exchanged pictures and said would you like to | :16:38. | :16:41. | |
meet up. The group tracked him down to this bar after a teenager's | :16:41. | :16:45. | |
mother contacted them worried her daughter was being targeted by a | :16:45. | :16:49. | |
predatory man. It was the Letzgohunting team through the work | :16:49. | :16:51. | |
they do, they got the information, and when they told me the severity | :16:51. | :16:55. | |
of it, I mean I was a wreck. In an ideal world all I wanted to do was | :16:55. | :17:00. | |
go and find him myself, but I couldn't even walk let alone speak | :17:00. | :17:12. | |
to police. How much of your on-line | :17:12. | :17:15. | |
conversation is you encouraging them? If we do it is only to say | :17:15. | :17:19. | |
hello. We don't encourage them to talk dirty or talk about sexual | :17:19. | :17:23. | |
acts. We don't encourage them to meet us. We agree when they suggest | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
things. How quickly are you up front with the fact that you are a | :17:27. | :17:29. | |
13 or a 14-year-old girl? Instantly, front with the fact that you are a | :17:29. | :17:34. | |
there is no discrepancy in our age at all. They know straight away. | :17:34. | :17:41. | |
How quickly can the on-line conversation turn sexual from those | :17:41. | :17:45. | |
first few contacts to actually making it very obvious they want | :17:45. | :17:48. | |
more? Within minutes, and I mean minutes. People have done it within | :17:48. | :17:52. | |
five minutes. The national organisation which protects | :17:52. | :17:55. | |
children on-line says paedophile investigations should be left to | :17:55. | :18:01. | |
the experts. Confronting people is really bad practice. It risks loss | :18:01. | :18:06. | |
of evidence, it riskss people panicking and possibly harming | :18:06. | :18:10. | |
children as a result, possibly destroying evidence and denying us | :18:10. | :18:14. | |
a chance to investigate a whole web of activity they are involved. And | :18:14. | :18:17. | |
not many people will care about it, but it is a real risk we have to | :18:17. | :18:22. | |
anticipate, the risk of suicide from people whose activities of | :18:22. | :18:26. | |
this nature who are suddenly exposed goes up quickly. A man | :18:26. | :18:34. | |
confronted by Letz Go Hunting and arrested by Leicestershire police | :18:34. | :18:36. | |
and bailed committed suicide four days later. People say you are | :18:37. | :18:45. | |
responsible for Gary Cleary's death, how do you answer those criticisms? | :18:45. | :18:48. | |
The team can't be held responsible for his death. He took his own life, | :18:48. | :18:53. | |
which is unfortunate, our feelings go out to his family and friends | :18:53. | :18:58. | |
after such an unfortunate event. Jamie is convinced his group is | :18:58. | :19:03. | |
providing a service the police cannot match. If the police were | :19:03. | :19:05. | |
providing a service the police doing enough we wouldn't have to. | :19:05. | :19:09. | |
The fact that without even trying too hard caught 11 people trying to | :19:09. | :19:12. | |
meet children in one particular area sort of thing, one area of the | :19:12. | :19:16. | |
country, for sex, that says the police aren't doing enough. | :19:16. | :19:21. | |
You can see more on the Letz Go Hunting story on BBC One's Inside | :19:21. | :19:25. | |
You can see more on the Letz Go Out in the East Midlands on Monday | :19:25. | :19:28. | |
night and on the iPlayer shortly after that. | :19:28. | :19:34. | |
The latest film In Real Life investigates the secret lives of | :19:34. | :19:39. | |
teenagers and the Internet for watching porn and other things. | :19:39. | :19:43. | |
I was struck that many parents just watching that little clip would | :19:43. | :19:46. | |
actually think that the vigilantes are doing a good job? You could | :19:46. | :19:50. | |
understand why they would feel that. It is an emotional level, it is | :19:50. | :19:55. | |
hard not to if you are a parent worried about your children. But | :19:55. | :19:59. | |
vigilanteism is not the answer. We all know the police are having | :19:59. | :20:03. | |
difficulty hoping with the volume of these types of crimes. The | :20:03. | :20:12. | |
answer is to give them the resources they need and not to | :20:12. | :20:14. | |
reply on all sorts of people for resources they need and not to | :20:14. | :20:18. | |
all sorts of reasons. It could mess up investigations? How do we know | :20:18. | :20:22. | |
that the police weren't involved in a major investigation of one of | :20:22. | :20:25. | |
these individuals, it could be completely destroyed by this type | :20:25. | :20:29. | |
of activity. You met a lot of teenagers making this film, what | :20:29. | :20:32. | |
kind of people are we talking about? Are we talking about people | :20:32. | :20:34. | |
who are particularly vulnerable about? Are we talking about people | :20:34. | :20:36. | |
the kid next door? We have to be about? Are we talking about people | :20:36. | :20:39. | |
really careful about the way we look at this problem, it hits the | :20:39. | :20:43. | |
headlines and this is a grotesque story and we are all upset. What we | :20:43. | :20:47. | |
have to acknowledge is kids are going on the Internet to learn | :20:47. | :20:50. | |
about sex. If that's where they are going, then they are going to come | :20:50. | :20:54. | |
across some very difficult situations. And I think that the | :20:54. | :20:58. | |
failure is that we're not teaching them about how to manage the on- | :20:59. | :21:05. | |
line world properly. Some of the things you came up with are quite | :21:05. | :21:09. | |
shocking, there was a girl so attached to her BlackBerry she was | :21:09. | :21:14. | |
prepared to be sexually abused in order to get it back when boys took | :21:14. | :21:19. | |
it? Uch to be careful about "prepared to be". There is a lot of | :21:19. | :21:21. | |
addictive technology around the net. "prepared to be". There is a lot of | :21:21. | :21:26. | |
There is a lot of reward mechanism its, kids feel absolutely attached | :21:26. | :21:32. | |
to their phones in ways that are really inexplicable to us. Once | :21:32. | :21:35. | |
they get attached to the phone, if they don't have the resources to | :21:35. | :21:39. | |
replace that phone and they are in a vulnerable situation, they make | :21:39. | :21:43. | |
some very, very bad choices. Including trusting strangers that | :21:43. | :21:46. | |
they would never do if this was some stranger that tried to open a | :21:46. | :21:50. | |
car door to them? Absolutely, there is a culture of anonymity on the | :21:50. | :21:56. | |
net, that we are not looking at properly. How big a problem are we | :21:56. | :21:59. | |
actually talking about here. One of the things, people will be very | :21:59. | :22:03. | |
shocked by this, there is also a danger of some kind of moral panic, | :22:03. | :22:08. | |
is it a big panic or not? There was another story running today that | :22:08. | :22:13. | |
new figures that CEOP produced showing the number of cases where | :22:13. | :22:18. | |
kids were being black mailed on- line by paedophiles into performing | :22:18. | :22:23. | |
sexual acts, self-laerming, and I think the number -- self-harming, | :22:23. | :22:29. | |
and the numbers worldwide were 2500 cases they dealt with and 120 in | :22:29. | :22:33. | |
the UK. I found that a very, very striking number. Bearing in mind | :22:33. | :22:37. | |
that will only be a fraction of what is actually taking place. | :22:37. | :22:40. | |
Where does the buck stop, the police, the parents, everybody? I | :22:40. | :22:42. | |
Where does the buck stop, the don't know? This is a communal | :22:42. | :22:45. | |
problem, we need a communal solution, that is what's | :22:45. | :22:48. | |
problematic about a vigilante approach. I think that there is a | :22:48. | :22:52. | |
lot more social responsibility from these companies. They seem to know | :22:52. | :22:56. | |
that I want to buy a blue kettle with a whistle, but don't seem to | :22:56. | :23:00. | |
know where the predators are. In every other part of our life we | :23:00. | :23:04. | |
have to provide services with care. We have a duty of care to these | :23:04. | :23:08. | |
kids. I think that I would like to say about the numbers, that in my | :23:09. | :23:13. | |
filming, which has only been a year, and they don't all appear in the | :23:13. | :23:18. | |
film at all, I met five young women who had been groomed on-line. Five | :23:18. | :23:24. | |
and I didn't try that hard to meet them. And it really is very easy. I | :23:24. | :23:28. | |
mean are the police the right people to do this? You talkeded | :23:29. | :23:33. | |
about resource, but we're talking about a wider thing, which might | :23:33. | :23:36. | |
involve something which people don't like the idea of, some kind | :23:36. | :23:43. | |
of censorship within the Internet itself? Companies have to take more | :23:43. | :23:45. | |
responsibility about the environments that they are creating | :23:46. | :23:48. | |
and they are profiting from. Obviously they don't want these | :23:48. | :23:52. | |
things to happen on those spaces, but they are. They can't walk away | :23:52. | :23:56. | |
from the responsibility of the consequences of that. Yes the | :23:56. | :23:59. | |
industry must do more. I think to go back to your point, I think we | :23:59. | :24:01. | |
do have to start thinking about it go back to your point, I think we | :24:01. | :24:05. | |
this in a broader way, frame it as a societal question, rather like we | :24:05. | :24:10. | |
do with public health type issue, the police will not be by any means | :24:10. | :24:13. | |
the only answer, but they certainly have to be part of it when you come | :24:13. | :24:17. | |
to paedophile activity like this. Did you in the film, were parents | :24:17. | :24:21. | |
shock by what their own children were up to, or were they brought on | :24:21. | :24:26. | |
board? I took a particular decision, there is one set of parents in the | :24:26. | :24:30. | |
film, only, but mainly because their son died, he was bullied and | :24:30. | :24:35. | |
died. He committed suicide. But I tried to get the voices of | :24:35. | :24:38. | |
teenagers. And I think that's something that is really missing in | :24:38. | :24:44. | |
this moral panic. Is we're not hearing about the voices of | :24:44. | :24:47. | |
teenagers. A lot of what they do is unconscious and a lot of what they | :24:48. | :24:52. | |
do, they are not even aware of their engagment in dangerous places. | :24:52. | :24:56. | |
I think we have to put it in the context of the brilliant and | :24:56. | :24:58. | |
I think we have to put it in the wonderful things that the net | :24:58. | :25:01. | |
delivers our kids. We have got a real discussion to have, not just | :25:01. | :25:05. | |
this panic. Thank you very much both of you. | :25:05. | :25:08. | |
It was once one of the world's most successful companies, noted for the | :25:08. | :25:14. | |
innovations but tonight BlackBerry announced a cut of 4,500 jobs. Why | :25:14. | :25:19. | |
do successful companies fail, not because they do things wrong but | :25:19. | :25:23. | |
because they do things right. That is the theory of Harvard professor | :25:23. | :25:28. | |
Clayton Christensen. He's worried innovation itself is in serious | :25:28. | :25:33. | |
trouble. And some of the world's best known tech firms like Apple, | :25:33. | :25:38. | |
who launched this week another version of their iPhone had better | :25:38. | :25:40. | |
take note. We have lived through an age of | :25:40. | :25:46. | |
innovation, from the modem to broadband to Wi-Fi over a | :25:46. | :25:50. | |
cappuccino. From the duff car to the electric car, the unmanned | :25:50. | :25:54. | |
drone, the computer virus and of course the cat video. But is it all | :25:54. | :26:00. | |
the wrong kind of innovation, since the mid-1990s the Holy Grail has | :26:00. | :26:05. | |
been disruptive inknow vague. The new machines and techniques that | :26:05. | :26:08. | |
blow away old ones and create new economies, change the world. The | :26:08. | :26:14. | |
man who invented the term is -- innovation. The new machines and | :26:14. | :26:19. | |
techniques that blow away the old ones and create new economies and | :26:19. | :26:24. | |
change the world. The man who invented the term is Clayton | :26:24. | :26:28. | |
Christensen. Disruptive innovation transforms complicated and | :26:29. | :26:33. | |
expensive products into ones that are affordable and accessible that | :26:33. | :26:36. | |
many more people have access to them. Usually that is good | :26:36. | :26:41. | |
because......because Many more people have access, the companies | :26:41. | :26:48. | |
have to hire people to make and distribute them and service and | :26:48. | :26:53. | |
sell them. And yet our system impedes capital from being used to | :26:53. | :26:58. | |
start more and more of these empowering innovations. | :26:58. | :27:05. | |
Instead money is being hoarded inside corporations, or used to | :27:05. | :27:10. | |
create low-skilled jobs, or to defend monopoly positions that | :27:10. | :27:13. | |
boost profits in the short-term. So could that stop the economic | :27:13. | :27:16. | |
recovery from taking off? We need to describe what you have just said | :27:16. | :27:21. | |
in the present tense, not the future sense. It is here. In | :27:21. | :27:27. | |
America we are investing and launching only a third of the | :27:27. | :27:31. | |
disruptive innovations that we used to do in the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s, | :27:31. | :27:39. | |
because of the way we measure things makes capital unwilling to | :27:39. | :27:41. | |
because of the way we measure invest in those things. In Britain | :27:41. | :27:47. | |
it is worse. I'm not aware of any truly disruptive innovations that | :27:47. | :27:48. | |
it is worse. I'm not aware of any have been launched here. | :27:48. | :27:54. | |
Instead he says the finance systems rewards market dominance, one after | :27:54. | :28:00. | |
the other, from IBM, to Microsoft, and now Google, Facebook, stock | :28:00. | :28:04. | |
markets love a big boast. It wasn't always like that. Before 1914 the | :28:04. | :28:10. | |
US President, Teddy Roosevelt attacked the power of monoplies and | :28:10. | :28:14. | |
price cartels and that moment is etched into American business | :28:14. | :28:22. | |
history. Does it not frustrate you that some of these big names in | :28:23. | :28:29. | |
history are monopoly players, don't you crave a Theodore Roosevelt to | :28:29. | :28:34. | |
come along and say enough competition? That is a great | :28:34. | :28:39. | |
observation, and I would say, no. That historically when there has | :28:39. | :28:46. | |
been a Monday NOP -- monopoly, it hasn't been that the Government | :28:46. | :28:52. | |
came in and cut them up, but it was disruption that cut them up. And so | :28:52. | :28:59. | |
IBM was being sued by the Government in America because they | :28:59. | :29:05. | |
thought it was a Monday NOPy, and what made them -- monopoly, and | :29:05. | :29:11. | |
what made them and cut them up wasn't that it was the computer. | :29:11. | :29:16. | |
Right now there is a death match in the smartphone market, between | :29:17. | :29:25. | |
Apple, with a cut price phone and android backed by Google. The | :29:25. | :29:28. | |
stakes are high. There is absolutely a they arey that | :29:28. | :29:37. | |
describes how a pro-primery architect -- pro-primery axe | :29:37. | :29:43. | |
tebgture. So like the iPod, this could all end in tears? Because | :29:43. | :29:46. | |
every one of those in the past has could all end in tears? Because | :29:46. | :29:51. | |
been disrupted by open architectures. Apple has always | :29:51. | :30:00. | |
been able to cup up with the next closed architecture that targets a | :30:00. | :30:04. | |
different set of customers in the market. I don't see that coming. | :30:04. | :30:11. | |
Instead they are taking their iPhone to the fifth generation, | :30:11. | :30:17. | |
still closed and those on the open...By That we mean looked down | :30:17. | :30:23. | |
into Apple's world and Apple's world only? That's correct. And | :30:23. | :30:31. | |
that is what kills companies. Nokia is essentially gone, BlackBerry is | :30:31. | :30:37. | |
essentially gone, and now Apple is next. | :30:38. | :30:41. | |
If he's right the most successful tech company in the world had had | :30:41. | :30:46. | |
better get the head around the idea of disruptive innovation. | :30:46. | :30:51. | |
That was Paul Mason and we will miss him and wish him well in his | :30:51. | :30:57. | |
own anyone know vaigs. We leave you with -- innovation. Next year you | :30:57. | :31:02. | |
will be finally be able to buy your very own jet pack, going to work on | :31:02. | :31:06. | |
Monday morning will never be the same again. | :31:06. | :31:17. |