11/11/2013 Newsnight


11/11/2013

News stories with Gavin Esler. Including the latest from the Philippines, green energy levies that are not working, Lucian Freud, and the doctor who says he has been tortured.


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state of national calamity. The number of dead simply cannot be

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counted. We will be live in Tacloban and hear from the Save The Children

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Fund. A British doctor in a Syrian jail has written to the Foreign

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Secretary claiming he was subject to torture.

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We ask his brother what he wants William Hague to do. And this. The

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first nude portrait Lucien painted was of his daughter Annie aged 14. A

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new and intimate diary of Lucien Freud, one of the most controversial

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portrait painters of the last century.

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Good evening, the numbers and estimated 10,000 dead, many more

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Good evening, the numbers and breakdown of law and order have all

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been reporting, with close to ten million people directly affected.

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Today David Cameron has pledged an extra ?4 million to the relief

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effort and has sent a Royal Navy ship and plane to assist in the

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disaster. We report on whether weather like

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this are more likely. The scale of this massively powerful storm in the

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Philippines is made real from space, from weather satellites and this

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taken by one of the astronauts on board the International Space

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Station. On the ground the impact of the typhoon is hard to absorb. At

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least 10,000 feared dead in Tacloban, that is one small city on

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one of thousands of islands. We need food, water, we have

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one of thousands of islands. We need from the staff and volunteers of the

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Philippine Red Cross on the ground, they are liking the scenes they are

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coming across to those of the tsunami. It is the same devastation,

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the flattened houses, the desperate needs of the people on the ground.

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Clearly at this point we are still not getting the full information on

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the scale of the disaster, I mean we're hearing huge figures from the

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UN today of 9. 8 million but we won't have access to all the

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seriously affected areas. When this kind of extreme weather event hits,

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people will inevitably ask whether it can be linked to climate change.

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Whether we might have made the situation worse. Well single events

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are hard to attribute to climate change, and typhoons and tropical

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cyclones in particular. This typhoon cannot be linked to climate change.

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Looking ahead to coming decades the expectation is the intensity of this

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kind of storm expectation is the intensity of this

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This is not strange in that regard. We do see if we look into the

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future, the models suggest that in future when the sea surface

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temperatures warm up that we can expect to get more intense tropical

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cyclones. The imprint of this typhoon is plane

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from these before and after photographs. Cargo ships washed

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ashore, houses with their roofs ripped off. It is harder to imagine

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a more intense storm, what might that mean for Governments planning

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ahead for such events, trying to minimise the loss of life. We need a

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good hindsight we view to see what was done and how well it was done.

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The Philippines is generally well prepared, given its level of

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resources. It suffers from floods, earthquakes, landslides, tsunamis,

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major volcanic eruptions and it is earthquakes, landslides, tsunamis,

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inhabitants. This island nation has a culture of dealing with the

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destructive forces of nature, yet it has been overwhelmed. The typhoon

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weakened over Vietnam and into southern China. If, in the future,

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the intensity of such storms does increase, aid agencies will need to

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plan for an even bigger response for the years ahead. We will have an

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obligation to work much harder to persuade the donor community to

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invest in that preparedness beforehand. As you can see with the

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access issues now, the best is to have people and goods in place

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before the event. We had a good indication this was coming, it was

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hard to mobilise the support up front. I think that will be our

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challenge if the typhoon seasons start to increase in impact. Once

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all the data is in, this may turn out to be the strongest recorded

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typhoon ever out to be the strongest recorded

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been devastateded. -- devastated. What are you seeing? The rain that

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Susan was talking about, possibly coming. It has arrived here. We have

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had torrential downpours overnight. I counted at least four. And this in

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an already very bad situation, the one thing that really stands out

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here is that there are virtually no buildings with their roofs intact.

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So this means even where people are not in the total devastation area,

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they are living in buildings without roofs, with the rain that is falling

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the miserable situation is even worse. Are the authorities in

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control, can you say there is law and order or something like it? We

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see very little of the authorities over the last two days here. There

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is no real presence of troops or police

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is no real presence of troops or have been able to survive for the

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last three days on the little food that they have. But everywhere we

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went on Monday people kept saying to us, please help us, we have no food,

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our children are hungry, when is the Government going to come and help

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us. There is a real sense that they are not getting any help. We are now

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into I think, we could count this as the fifth day starting now since the

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disaster struck. There isn't still any sense of the Government arriving

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here and giving people the help they need. We have the chief executive of

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Save The Children in the studio. It is obviously appalling, but do we

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have any sense actually of how bad it is. There must be lots of places

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that nobody from outside has been to yet? No we don't have any sense. We

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only have the reports from teams on the ground, like the Save The

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Children team I spoke to earlier, saying how desperate it is getting

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in places like Tacloban. That saying how desperate it is getting

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to focus on. The danger is, if we don't get enough aid in, it will be

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pregnant mum, it will be children who won't get that aid. We have to

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get food and water in very quickly. David Cameron as you know has

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announced a total of ?10 million in British aid. HMS Daring is going

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from Singapore to the Philippines and an RAF C-17, those are broadly

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the right things? They are the right things to do, the most important

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thing tomorrow is to open Tacloban Airport fully. It is partly

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operational but we need it to be a 24-hour round the clock air HUB to

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get the aid in. We can't get it in by road, there is another regional

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hub on another island not too far away, but it is ferry and roads, it

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might take ten-hours of driving with the roads blocked and only

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motorbikes on them. We need to get the air hub and get into Tacloban

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and spread out to other parts of the air hub and get into Tacloban

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events. In Africa, for example. When I was in west Africa recently old

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men were tell Muslim League they used -- men were telling me they

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used to have a drought every ten years and now it is every two years.

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Communities are facing extreme weather change. We can argue about

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climb plate change, but including typhoons like this, you can't

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attribute to it, but the impotencity must be connected with some --

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intensity must be connected with some form of climate change. We need

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to put preparedness measures in place. You presumably learn from

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every one of these disasters to do better. Preparedness, is that

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difficult for donors to stump up for, people look at this and

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understand why they have to give cash, but don't think in advance of

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a disaster that they should do that? It is the most important investment.

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We have had a storm in India where It is the most important investment.

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a lot of food and water in. And we are sending a plane in tomorrow. The

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most important thing is to have local communities trained in that

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preparedness in place. One of your own work Workers went in earlier,

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she went in to what is this? We sent six people into the eye of the storm

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to be ready when it hit. We lost contact for three days. We were very

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worried they lost their lives. They survived but many people haven't. We

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now need to act very quickly. All the organisation, us, Oxfam, the

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United Nations are there ready to help. But we do need to get this air

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hub functioning to get huge amounts of aid in. We need to get aid to

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people. Coming up: of aid in. We need to get aid to

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at the moment. One of the called schemes is the green levy, they

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charge customers extra on their bills to do with green issues. ECO

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is supposed to help the poorest customers afford insulation or new

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boilers. A Freedom of Information request has revealed the energy

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companies supposed to help customers are reaching a tiny fraction of the

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eligible households. We have been finding out where the money from

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your bills is going? ?57 that is the amount the average bill payer is

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forced to pay to their energy company to fix up other people's

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draftee houses. New wall insulation put on these homes in Nottingham.

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Clashing bills, relieving fuel poverty and cutting carbon

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emissions, this is what British Gas is among the companies

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saying hitting ECO targets will hit far more than the Government says.

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Not ?57 but ?90 a bill payer. One of the factors outside is pushing bills

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up. But EON is far ahead with fixing up deals with local authorities and

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fixing en masse and to budget. Elaine is an NPower customer, her

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daughter is with British Gas. But it was EON that did their free

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insulation. The floors are a lot warmer, first thing in the morning

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they used to be really cold to stand on, they are a lot warmer. I used to

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put two quilts on my bed in the winter, now I only have the one on.

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You get out of bed in winter, now I only have the one on.

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reason is they have to hit targets for helping people by March 2015, if

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they don't they can get fined 10% of turnover. In the case of British Gas

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for example that could be hundreds of millions of pounds.

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The Government won't disclose details of low income customers from

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the benefits system, so it costs firms hundreds of pounds to find

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them. Customers aren't always willing to tell but their personal

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circumstances, some customers are proud about their personal

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circumstances and don't want to tell you they are vulnerable, they have

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to sign up to being vulnerable in front of people they don't

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particularly know. For some people they don't want to have to admit to

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these things. It is hard work to find customers and the whole he

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industry and the whole country could benefit if we were to share data

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better with the Department of Work and d Pensions.

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The think-tank got Ofgem to and d Pensions.

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weakened rather than delivering the support the bill payers need to see.

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It is vital that the Government doesn't bow down to this pressure

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from the energy companies and makes sure that this support for energy

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efficiency improvement stays in place. Like other companies, EON is

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expected to have to raise bills in the coming weeks with talk from the

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Prime Minister of rolling back green taxes. NPower says it is still

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confident it will meet its target, as does British Gas with projects

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worth ?900 million. Meanwhile we are all paying for ECO through our

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bills. If it is going to work they will have to step up the pace.

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We asked representatives of the energy companies and ministers from

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the department for energy and climate change, to come on to

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Newsnight to talk to us about ECO, but nobody was available. Happily

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the Shadow Energy Minister, and ECO for adding on to our bills.

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This Freedom of Information that the think-tank has asked from the

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regulator, we can see three of the energy companies are not meeting

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their targets, and they have put up our bills on the basis this is

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increasing their costs. I ask myself the question if I was asking

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somebody to do energy efficiency in my home I would pay when the work is

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done. They seemed to suggest we should pay through the bills. What

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should we do, should we suspend the system until it is sorted out.

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People, as you say, are paying green levies of various sorts and not

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seeing the money being used the way they thought it was? I would have

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thought we shouldn't have to wait for a Freedom of Information

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question from Ofgem. So the public and others who are interested can

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see what is going on with the schemes. What should we do about it?

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I think ECO is a flawed scheme, it is overly bureaucratic. For one

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I think ECO is a flawed scheme, it about how the energy companies go

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about this. We have said we would have a scheme based on local areas

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and therefore it would be bottom up rather than top down, we think we

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can reach people more effectively through local councils and charities

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and groups. Would you suspend it now? What we have to interrogate

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here. Let's be honest about this ECO is part of the debate because the

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companies are trying to defend against their price rises. I think

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it is fair for us to question them on how they have attributed their

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price costs and therefore on our bills. They blame ECO the regulator

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should only cost ?15, and yet the companies say it is over ?57. The

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Telegraph tomorrow has spiralling energy bills, and the Energy

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Secretary saying the companies are treating customers like cash cows do

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you believe that? Strong words, we have said

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you believe that? Strong words, we parliament as he said he is

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tomorrow. We have people in the coalition fighting over issues so

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important to bill payers. They could freeze the bills now, they could put

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the over 75s on the cheap tarrif, those are Labour's measures in

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Government and they have to match words with actions.

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He had the title "Senior Adviser for Innovation" to Secretary of State,

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Hillary Clinton, Alec Ross fill filled that, and it took him to

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Libya and the Democratic Republic of Congo and helping rebels in the

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border areas of Syria. In the 2008 presidential election Alec Ross

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masterminded Barack Obama's technology and multimedia strategy,

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playing a key role in getting him to the White House. That success helped

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secure a the White House. That success helped

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seemed a marginal aspects of foreign policy, it all changed with the Arab

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Spring where it played apart. He helped keep communication 0 networks

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running in places like Benghazi, in the face of a ban. The application

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of digital technology to revolutionary ends looks less

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positive today as the Arab Spring has unravelled. The risk to security

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of modern communications has become more obvious, the more we learn

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about GCHQ and others thanks to Edward Snewden. Can America lecture

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the world about digital freedom, while at the same time using

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Intelligence Services to exploit these new methods of communication

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which potentially put liberty at risk.

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Alec Ross is with me no When you worked on this programme, trying

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Alec Ross is with me no When you were Twitter revolutions or Facebook

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revolutions they were pro-President Yeltsin by people in the extend they

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have -- propelled by people in the extent as they had the

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communication. There isn't an app for building a democratic society.

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It is tanks that matter in the end. People can communicate through

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Twitter but it doesn't matter if they are going to get shot at? The

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most powerful technology in a conflict where the Government is

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using bullets and tanks. The technology that matters the most are

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the bullets and the tank. Cellphone versus tank, the tank will win. Here

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is the thing, in many countries a head of state isn't going to be

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willing to gun down their pole. In this case what these technologies do

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is give very powerful capablities to citizens and networks of citizens.

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do that? That is right. You cannot divorce the technology from the

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reality on the ground. There is certain constituencies that think

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you can tweet your way to democracy. It is a very powerful tool for

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communication, collaboration, for elevating people's voices, but if

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what a Government is doing is saying a site is blocked, you won't tweet

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yourself to a Jeffersonian democracy.

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So in places like Iran and Syria social media plays a minor role?

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What will ultimately change China and Iran are young people in these

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countries. There are half a billion people who use microbloging sites.

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400 million of whom are under the age of 25. That is what whether

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change China. That age of 25. That is what whether

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don't really see the two as being entirely interrelated. Internet

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freedom is the freedom to connect to the Internet, to the websites of

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one's choosing. And to be listened to by the NSA? I don't think

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internet freedom is the freedom to do whatever you want with nobody

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necessarily looking on the internet. This is really a manifestation.

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Today's manifestation. This is the year 2013 manifestation of the

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century's long tension between security and liberty. It is

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difficult for an American to lecture or suggest people adopt some of

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these technologies when a major arm of the US Government is doing this

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isn't it? I don't think they are lecturing, I don't think

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finger-wagging, impurrous lecturing at the people around the world ever

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work, even when you have a halo over your head, which few states do. Do

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you have a your head, which few states do. Do

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the world has learned a lot. One of the things that I come to personally

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is as these technologies grow more and more powerful, just because

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something is legal and technologically possible doesn't

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mean it is the right thing to do. Is Hillary Clinton running for the

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presidency of the United States the right thing to do, you worked with

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her for a while? Absolutely the right thing to do. I hope so, I have

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an 11-year-old son, I have an eight-year-old daughter, and a

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six-year-old daughter, and I pray to good almighty that they grow up in a

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country that Hillary Clinton is a President and some right thing Tea

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Party Republican is not. America needs her, the world needs her, you

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all need her. Do you think she will run? I don't know. This speculation,

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it drives her a little bonkers I think. Because it is three years

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away. We actually think. Because it is three years

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unwin! -- to win! A British doctor imprisoned in Syria a year ago has

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written to the Foreign Secretary decribing torture at the hands of

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prison guards. 31-year-old Shah Nawaz Khan vanished while working as

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an emergency surgeon in AP LEP POE a year -- Aleppo a year ago.

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Nothing has been heard from him. We speak to his brother in a few

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moments. REAK Nothing has been heard from him. We speak to his brother in

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a few moments. Dr Adlington Khan checking off medical lists in 2012.

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The young father of two had flown to Turkey with the charity Human Aid,

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he was patching up civilian casualties arriving daily from

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across the Syrian border. By casualties arriving daily from

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thousand worth of medical flies -- ?20,000 worth of medical supplies,

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and started setting up a hospital. 48 hours later he was taken by

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President Assad's forces. Many of those who think they can help by

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crossing borders into Syria. They are taking great risks. We all see

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the really horrendous situation that is Syria at the moment. What the

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real issue here is the need for humanitarian access. If the proper

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agencies, the UN, the Red Cross and other humanitarian agencies were

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able to go into Syria and provide support and help we wouldn't see

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individuals risks all in the way we have seen this doctor. For six

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months his family didn't know if he was alive or dead. Then in July his

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mother flew from London to Damascus. She found her son in prison,

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weighing just five stone. And His two young children have also

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written to William Hague asking for help. The Foreign Office has long

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been advising against all travel to Syria, it says it will use every

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opportunity to press for his release, but with diplomatic

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relations suspended its options in the country are limited. I'm joined

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by Dr Khan's brother. Just before we came on air we got a message from

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the Foreign Office almost. But aside from that they

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have not really been imaginative in trying to push for my brother's

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release. We have been prompting them on the actions that they could

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possibly take. We appreciate that there isn't a consular service in

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Syria. We don't recognise the regime effectively? We don't. But that said

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we are dealing with nations, whether it be Russia, China, indeed we have

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been in meetings with Iran recently. They do recognise the regime and

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have good connections with the regime. And indeed have been

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involved in brokering the release of other prisoners from other

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countries, indeed the French, the Germans, the Italians have been

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successful in getting their citizens out. What do you make of the

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allegation that is your brother is reporting of witnessing beatings and

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being beaten up himself? Understandably they are of great

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distress. I haven't Understandably they are of great

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what he was going through -- presume about what he was going through. We

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are grateful now's being treated slightly better. His weight has

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picked up a little bit. He has been transferred to a civilian prison.

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That is because of our backing. My mother's gone and chimed every bell

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and knocked on every door within Damascus. She has been more

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effective than the British Government. Can I ask you directly,

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here is a man who went into Syria without a visa, over a very porous

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border, where there are a lot of foreign fighters who come into

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Syria, you can see where it is going. Is there any chance your

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brother was involved with the opposition, political activity or

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actually was a foreign fighter, is there any chance that have? No, we

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are an apolitical family. He has dedicated his life to his career,

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training as a surgeon, and his kindly to anybody helping or giving

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any assistance. Certainly when I flew out there initially the worry

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was that they could just kill him. And it came as a relief that he was

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alive, and to an extent held by the regime rather than a more extreme

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element. I think he would be as moved by the Philippines that you

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have already covered, as by the might of the Syrian people. Do you

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think he's been treated differently either by the Foreign Office or the

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Syrians because his name is Dr Khan and not Dr Smith or Jones? I can't

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tell you exactly the reasons why we as family believe if he was an

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English female JOURMist then -- journalist, then yes, the response

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would be different, more direct briefings. We haven't heard from

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William Hague at all, we are told's following TSHG but he hasn't

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attempted to meet as you at any time. I fleetingly

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attempted to meet as you at any process, that is simply not taking

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place. Those are things we are pushing for. Lucien Freud was one of

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the most acclaimed portrait painterings of the last century, and

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also one of the -- painters of the last century, and also one of the

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most extraordinary, his life included brushes with gambling and

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debts and brushes with the law. Now a new diary has been revealed,

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Breakfast With Lucien. We asked Geordie Greig to make a short film

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about his work. I was 17 when I first saw paintings

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by Lucien Freud. It was the era of punk, and I found these

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psychologically more edge, punk, and I found these

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we got talking. Lucien was the grandson of Sigmund Freud Freud, the

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founder of psychoanalysis. He was born in Berlin, but in 1942, when

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Lucien was ten, his family moved to London to escape the Nazis. He

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started as a penniless emigre, but became one of the most acclaimed

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painters of his generation. Luis YEP changed the perception of

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portraiture, and especially the nude in art. His subjects were an

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extraordinary picksure of people, criminal, supermodel, aristocrat,

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even the Queen. His naked figures were sensual. But to some people

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cruel and shocking. There was always a frisson about his outrageous

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private life. Gambling, hundreds a frisson about his outrageous

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final shot. I wrote him a letter saying I have got a brilliant idea

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but I need to see you in person. I was banking on his curiosity. Well,

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he rang. Come for breakfast. So I went to his studio and over a

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breakfast ofburg Gandhi and -- Burgandy, and half a roasted

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partridge that I WI he had eaten the night before I unravelled my

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brilliant idea. My idea was to photograph Frank Albach and you can

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be in the photograph. He was a fellow Jewish emigre and painter who

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arrived in the 30s and who Lucien saw every week for breakfast. He

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said, OK. It led to another breakfast, this

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time at the Cock Tavern in the meat district of London where they had

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kidneys and a cup of tea. This was the

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kidneys and a cup of tea. This was for breakfast. At Clarke's in

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Notting Hill. Where Lucien came every day with his assistant, David

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Dawson. Lucien Freud Freud was -- Lewis yen

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Freud was one of the most original people I ever met, he hung out with

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criminals and heiresses. He spoke about escaping from Nazi Germany,

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hanging out with the Queen when he painted her. Painting Kate Moss.

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Gambling debts of extraordinary amounts of money. And always there

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was a cultural vein which was focussed on his art. After Lucien

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died in July 2011, I spoke to the people closest to him. Most of whom

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also people closest to him. Most of whom

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told me how Lucien placed her in an uncomfortable pose, possibly

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reflecting the problems that developed in their relationship. In

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many ways my book is a key to the people who were painted by Lucien.

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It identifies, sometimes for the first time, who was painted. The

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women Women In Fur Coat, Big Man, they were titles that he used, that

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always obscured and kept secret the idea of those in Freud land. But how

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important is it to know the intimate secrets of an obsessively private

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individual? I met the art critic Brian Sewell at the National

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Portrait Gallery, in front of a painting of Lord Rothschild, an arts

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patron who had once lent money painting of Lord Rothschild, an arts

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ever said about that was "I paint with my prick". That is so true of

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Freud. The first nude portrait Lucien painted was of his daughter

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Annie aged 14. She told me how her father would reach with his paint

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brush to move strands of her hair to see her nipple. There is very little

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in his early work in which anything is there by chance. It is there

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because he wants it to be precisely there. That is a very good example.

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Everything is deliberate. That where I Think your revolution of the

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sexual Freud is there, it is a deliberate note and what he wishes

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you to see. deliberate note and what he wishes

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art which defines him. It was a life well lived, well loved and certainly

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one we won't see again. Geordie Greig is here and one of

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Lucien's children. Was this book a bit of a shock for you? I think it

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was more difficult to read than shocking to read. I think most of

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the things I knew in general but not in detail. And was that

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uncomfortable? Some of the reading was definitely very uncomfortable.

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Do you see why, I mean Brian Sewell made the point clearly, why a great

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artist, we do want to know quite a lot about them. Is that, do you

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think, fair game? It has nothing to do with the arts. The suggests, they

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held a certain charge and that do with the arts. The suggests, they

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make of that? He didn't like journalists for a start. You were

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persistent and you won his trust? Lucien allowed his whole life to be

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shown on his canvas, shown in public places and galleries. I have illumid

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who those people are and how they fitted into his complicated life. 14

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children axe no mamsed, others, many who came in and out -- acknowledged,

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others who came in and out of his life. It is what story tellers and

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writers do is to illuminate who are the people in the art. We have seen

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this in TS Eliot and Thomas hardy and often the family don't like it.

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It is a tough call and often the family don't like it.

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domesticated. We never had a normal family relationship with him, of

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course. That is the case with many artists. Look at Picasso, for

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example. But the point he was making is the family will always object,

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and if you look at the painting behind you, you can see something

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very intimate. People perhaps want to know more than just the title, is

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that not a legitimate area to look at? I understand people want to

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know, I'm talking about him, he didn't title with names or meaning

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to be important. He said to me when I talked about my work he asked on

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several occasions show me what you are working on, when I came back

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from Rome I showed work. If I talked about meaning he went spare, he got

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very, very angry. I know for about meaning he went spare, he got

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understand the driving forces. What was set up with the model and

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himself, the psychological space. All that energy, all that... Libido,

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if you like, went into the work. He would have hated your book, wouldn't

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he? I don't think he would have. It is written after his death. He knew

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I tape recorded the conversations, because the tape recorder was often

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put down on the table when we had breakfast. Breakfast With Lucien is

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a very frank and candidate book. Lucien was never anything but did

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Ied in his wife and work. Did he want you to write TU do you think?

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He knew that I had interviewed him and we had done interviews. This is

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an extension of that. In that way he would have

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an extension of that. In that way he died. Some critics were not as kind

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as Sewell, one said you give us the gas gossip but failed to capture the

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artist? I think they mean art. It is a very fulsome look at his wife. He

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had, in his life, dating great DA Garbo, borrowing -- great at that

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Garbo, hanging out with the Krays and the Queen painting her. He

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covered the 21st century to heights to painting Kate Moss. It wasn't a

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life as iconic and totemic as a 20th century artist. That is why it is a

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biography. Which has caused debate, consternation and controversial and

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why it is very, very readable. Jennifer Lawrence, about the

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influence of her movies on young women.

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You have voiced concerns about the pressure on young women in

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particular to young women to be thin, do you worry about losing

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weight for a role? When we were doing The Hunger Games, it is called

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The Hunger Games, she is obviously underfed, she would be incredibly

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thin. But I was like, I just kept saying, this is we have the ability

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to control this image that young girls are going to be seeing. We

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need to make, girls see enough of this body that we can't imitate,

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that we will never be able to obtain, these unrealistic

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expectations and this is going to be their hero. And we have control over

:46:24.:46:26.

that. So it is an their hero. And we have control over

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you with a bow and arrow wouldn't really be scary. Now the papers.

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We leave you with the Russian # I'm up all night to get some

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# I'm up all night to get lucky # Wait up all night to get some

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# Wait up all night for good fun Wait up all night to

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Good evening a rather murky start to tomorrow

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The latest from the Philippines, the green energy levies that are not working, the British doctor who says he is being tortured in a Syria jail, plus Lucian Freud.


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