20/12/2013 Newsnight


20/12/2013

Analysis of the stories behind the day's headlines with Victoria Derbyshire, including Ed Miliband going after gambling machines, and Nigella Lawson coverage.


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An epidemic, that is how Ed Miliband describes the spread of gambling

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machines known as fixed odds bett terminals. After they were introduce

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under the last Labour Government, Mr Miliband says they are now another

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sign of the cost of living crisis and he wants to get rid of them.

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This man tells us gambling ruined his lif

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Plus take two sisters, a popular TV cook, her ex-husband and some credit

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cards, add a trial, stir in lots of press interest, stir for three weeks

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and turn out a not guilty verdict. What does the way we consumed these

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cases tell us about ourselves and the justice system. We talk to our

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guests. An early Christmas present for you, Newsnight graphs. What can

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economic graphs tell us about the last year. Quite a lot as it turns

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out. We ask a squad of economists to tell us the one that tells us most.

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The excitement is at fever pitch! It as been an eventful year in the

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Catholic Church. Its one. Two billion members were taken aback by

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the resignation of Pope Benedict, his place was taken by a man who

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seems to care about people and their issues and the modern world.

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We will reflect on the events of the last year by hearing again some of

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the most powerful contributors to Newsnight over the past 12 months.

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From Russell Brand to Bill Clinton. I will miss the light he caused to

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come on in the lives of everybody he touched.

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Good evening. After a popular, some might say, or populist campaign

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against pay day loans. The Labour leader, Ed Miliband, turned his

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attention to another part of life he thinks is pernicious, gambling, and

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the fixed odds betting terminals found in betting shops on high

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streets up and down the line. Since their introduction in 1999 they have

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become big money spinners. Mr Miliband says if he wins the next

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election he will legislate so councils can ban them from bookies

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if they choose to. They have brought the casino to the

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high street. Fixed odds betting terminals provide half of all

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betting shops' profits. Critics say it is the speed of play that makes

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them deadly. Maximum bet ?100, the time between bets, 20 seconds. What

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is amazing is how many they are, there are there and there. Ed

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Miliband chose North London to point out what he calls a gambling

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epidemic. He wants councils to be able to limit the number of betting

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shops in their area, and to be able to ban fixed odds betting terminals.

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These machines can be addictive for people, they can cause real misery

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for families. There is further and further growth of these machines and

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indeed betting on them. They are concentrated in parts of the

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country, particularly more deprived parts of the country. And somebody

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has to step in and stand up to the betting industry.

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There are 33,284 fixed odds betting terminals in the UK. For bookmakers

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the yield from the terminals is ?1. Five billion a year. The machines

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average gambler spends ?1,200 a year, compared to ?430 a year, for

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those who stick to over the counter gambling. Hi there, my name is

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James. This is the first of my video diaries regarding my compulsive

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gambling addiction... During the summer Newsnight met James, who has

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been keeping a video diary about his gambling addiction. These machines

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have changed the gambling habits of the normal punter. Instead of doing

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a ?2 bet, they are sticking ?20, ?40, ?60 in a matter of minutes,

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thousands into the machines. I have done the same. I have lost hundreds

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of thousands of pounds in these machines. Whilst betting shops are

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only allowed to have four terminals each, the problem is many towns now

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have several bookies on their high street. Under the last Labour

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Government the gambling laws were relaxed, making it easier for them

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to open. The industry rejects the idea they are targeting poor areas.

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Do you not accept though that these machines do prey on the poor and the

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vulnerable? They are not popping up on Park Lane. They are growing in

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poor communities? No, I don't accept that. These machines are in high

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streets up and down the country. There are more shops on high streets

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in urban areas, but there is more population in those areas as well.

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We are not targeting any particular community. It will be a pretty

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strange business model to specifically target people who don't

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have any money. The figures that showed gambling levels were falling

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and it also showed that the more deprived people are the less they

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are likely to gamble. Ed Miliband is using the issue of gambling to widen

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his cost of living agenda, it includes a crackdown on payday

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lending and measures to lower the cost of housing and attacking the

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energy suppliers. Ed Miliband says so many voters are not benefitting

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from the economic recovery. Many within his party are nervous,

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polling shows that Labour still isn't trusted to run the economy.

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That, they fear, will be the bigger issue on polling day. David Cameron

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has been coming under pressure for months to clamp down on betting

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terminals. This is an issue I have been repeatedly lobbied on by people

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across this house and more broadly. It is worth having a proper look at

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this issue. There will be those within David Cameron's party urging

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him to ignore this issue, to avoid being dragged on to Labour's

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preferred territory. We have James, a recovering gambling addict as our

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guest. How much have you spent on the machines over the years? Over

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the years over ?200,000. Just on these? Just on the fixed odds

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betting terminals. Predominantly roulette and black Jack. What impact

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does that have on your family and your life? I don't have a family,

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I'm not married, I'm single at the moment, I don't have any children,

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all because of my addiction to these fixed odds betting terminals. I had

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large income, but that was why I was able to put that amount of money in.

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It is not about the zeros on the end. Your earnings are relative to

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what you can get your hands on. At the moment my income is not as high,

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if I was to those ?1,000 now I wouldn't know where to turn. Are

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these machines any more addictive than other gambling, the

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scratch-cards, the instant, the on-line betting? They are more

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addictive. People don't get addicted to scratch-cards, they have problems

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with them, but these machines, the speed of play, the ease of access to

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it. The fact that you can do ?100 per spin, and that is a spin that is

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a gamble that is not in line with any other gaming product on the

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market. What do you say to people who say why don't you just choose

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not to spend the money on this kind of stuff? If it was just that

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simple, to stop gambling. I have been an addict for far longer than

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the time than these fixed odds betting terminals have been out. But

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these machines have destroyed my life. If somebody could have picked

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me up and said you had a gambling problem, stopped. But it is not as

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easy as that. Over the years I have been at so many low points,

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homeless, sleeping in my car, at one point back in 2008 I had lost over

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?2,500 in one day in one bookmaker, I had my passport on me, I stayed in

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a Bed Breakfast that night and got on a ferry the next day. I was

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reported missing for six months. I was out of the country for nine

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months. It was only a member of my family that got me back in the

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country. But the whole time that I was out of England and away from

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gambling my life got better. As soon as you got back straight into the

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bookies? Straight back into the bookmaker, gamble as heavy as I was

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before I left. What would you like to see happen? I would like the

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stakes to be reduced from ?100. I want the time between spins

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increased and Ed Miliband has said he wants to double it to 40 seconds.

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That is great step. Will that really make much difference? I think it

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will. If you go to a casino, you have a minute, up to two-and-a-half

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minutes between each spin of the wheel. Ed Miliband is talking about

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going from 20 seconds to 40 seconds between each spin? When you go to a

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real casino and a real wheel, you have time to think about your bet.

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You have time to decide whether you want to increase, you want to leave,

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take the winnings on the table and leave. That 20 seconds doesn't give

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your brain time to decide what to do, you just press the repeat button

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and away you go again. He wants to legislation to give councils powers

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to reduce the numbers of bookies on the high street, and reduce the

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number of terminals in the bookies, they will still be available. They

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will still be attractive? Yeah, but having the councils stop the bookies

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having more shops is a brilliant step. There is too many at the

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moment do we need any more? No we don't. If a council says you have 16

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on one road, why do you need any more, and they say no. That is a

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great step. It will protect so many people. Thank you very much for

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coming in James. You are calling for revolution?

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Absolutely, I'm calling for change, for genuine alternative, I say when

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there is a genuine alternative and option, then vote for. That but

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until then, don't bother! The year started with talk of a triple-dip

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recession, and ends with the latest GDP figures out today, suggesting

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that the UK economy could grow as much as 2% in 2013. As the year

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draws to a close we have a dream team of economists and economic

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commentators. To pick their favourite graph of 2013. The one

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that they think tells the most compelling story of the underlying

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health of the UK and world economy. Here is their verdict.

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I'm cheating actually because I have two graphs, the interesting thing is

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to compare the two. On the left-hand side you see that the -- risk-rated

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assets of banks are trailing downwards, but they remain very

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different from each other. On the right hand side when you look at the

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capital ratios they are all the same. Why is that? Because the banks

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are very successful in gaming the system. That shows how difficult it

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is for the regulators to get control over the banks on both sides of the

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Atlantic and indeed in the Pacific. The US share revolution and support

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for energy resource development has helped keep US energy prices well

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below European levels, it is bringing a resurgence in US managing

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competitiveness. US manufacturing will capture $70-$150 million of

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exports to other countries by 2020. It should give Europe pause for

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thought on its energy policy and how it chooses to develop its energy

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resources. This chart shows Germany and China's surplus, the difference

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between what they save and invest, they are the same in US dollar

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terms. Although China is usually seen as the arch capitalist,

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Germany's is three-times China's in GDP. Germany's behaviour is seen as

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widely incompat with a stable -- incompatible with the stable

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eurozone, both of these countries will have a significant impact on us

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in 2014. This chart is a chart showing what has happened to output

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per head since the start of the recession and also against this

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Government came into office. And what it shows is that output per

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head today is lower than it was in May 2010 when the coalition took

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office. So far from the Government being vindicated, this actually

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shows the worst recovery in 100 years, and in fact what it shows is

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no recovery at all. People are poorer today than they were when the

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Government took office. This chart shows economic forecasts for GDP for

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each year in the coloured lines, and the actual outcome GDP in the pink

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blocks. The turning point for the UK economy was sort of the beginning of

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2013, just when the doom sayers were really down on the UK. The other

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thing it shows you is the financial forecasting profession always

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underestimate amplutude, the good years are much stronger than

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predictions and the bad years are worse. This tells me the UK economy

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has finally turned a corner and growing a lot stronger than most

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predict. Earlier in the year the fear was we were in triple Dip

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investigation, the UK lost its triple-A rating and there was talk

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of quanative easing, and that never happened and the dip came to an end.

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Guilt yields rose dam matly through the year. The Bank of England

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thought the rise was unjustified and tried to stop it with forward

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guidance, that failed. And as GDP growth resumed in the UK, with the

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good news continuing, the rise in gilt yields resumed. Through the

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20th century economic growth fed into successive generations having

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on average higher incomes. This graph shows median incomes by age

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among those born in different decades, for example if you are born

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in the 1960s or 70s then you were likely to enjoy more income at age

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30 than people born in the past. But the really, really striking thing

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from the graph is that this is no longer the case. Those born in the

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1960s and 1970s are no longer experiencing higher average incomes

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than previous generations did when they were the same age.

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Not guilty of fraud. Two former personal assistants of Nigella

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Lawson and her ex-husband, Charles Saatchi, after a three-week trial.

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What most people will remember from this case are details of private

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lives, a high society couple, lavish spending habits and as of Class A

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drug use involving powerful people experienced in image and PR, until

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now. Let's discuss the lessons of the trial now with our guests. Why

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do you believe that Nigella Lawson has been vilified? She has certainly

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been accused of being a drug habit, a habitual criminal, a user of Class

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A drugs over ten years. They were the accusations. She wasn't on

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trial. She was a witness. And I think that the trial does show a

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concern that British law doesn't protect witnesses enough. We do rely

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on witnesses to come to court, to give their evidence without fear

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that they are going to be accused of serious crimes. I think that when

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witnesses who have only one right, which is to say I won't answer that

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question on the grounds it will incriminate me. Whenever they say

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that everyone thinks they are guilty. When the witness is accused

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of very serious crime I think they should have certain rights. A right

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to refute the accusation by calling evidence. If they are accused of

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being a habitual drug addict, calling their GP, maybe

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cross-examining their accusers. This is what goes on in Europe, this is

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what happens at our coroners' inquest, when somebody is accused.

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It would make trials more a test of truth, and it wouldn't, of course,

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affect the defendant's rights, we bend over backwards, quite rightly,

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to uphold the rights of the defendant. But it would allow

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witnesses who are accused of serious crime some opportunity to answer

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back. Because the judge is concerned with having a fair trial. The

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prosecution is not concerned with the witness. They are not allowed to

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take instructions from their own witnesses. I think it would be

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fairer and it would give more comfort to potential witnesses that

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they could do their civil duty without being accused of murdering

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their mother. Let me bring in Nancy. What do you think? You have

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an incredible country, Nigella is considered a national treasure sure,

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and then you have this ability to have these celebrities, this star

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system, to put everything up and then you are ready to destroy them,

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to bring everybody down. This is absolutely belonging to your

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culture. It is something that of course I feel very sympathetic with

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Nigella. I would say to Jeffrey, this was a very specific particular

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case. And I do absolutely agree with... Celebrities take no

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responsibility themselves for their downfall? Of course they have take

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responsibility. Actually I think we are doubly responsible because when

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you say "celebrities" I hate this word, it is the fact that you have

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to be aware that you are constantly, you have to play very well the game.

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The game is the fact that you are constantly in the public eye. You

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have become a public person. You are 100% scrutinised. This is with a

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particular case and being in public again so many details of the private

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lives should not be. But of course because I'm quite shocked of the

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decision of the court. Because I'm now reading we don't know about the

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motivation. I think it is are a bit early to talk about the downfall of

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Nigella Lawson, here she was, she was a witness, she came and gave

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evidence, she didn't take the 5th, she didn't rely on the right not to

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incriminate herself. She spoke about using a drug at a time when her

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husband was dying. I don't think that this was, we have got to be

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very careful. This was not the trial of Nigella Lawson. The media treated

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it as such, and she should have had more opportunity to chro

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cross-examine her accusers and call evidence about her innocence of the

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allegation which was that she was a drug addict. I think she came out of

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it rather well. I would like to think that if we can provide a

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little more rights to witnesses, other people who witness crimes and

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suffer great embarrassment by going into the witness box, sometimes to

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physical threats. I'm talking about defence witnesses as well as

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prosecution witnesses. We have got to assure them that they are going

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to have their rights not to have their family life shredded, their

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privacy invaded. So that's, I think, the lesson that I hope will come

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through, that Nigella Lawson was in fact courageous to give evidence. It

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is not, she is not on trial. She hasn't been found guilty. The

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prosecution simply failed to prove their case beyond reasonable doubt.

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Thank you very much both of you. It has been an extraordinary year

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for the Catholic Church. Under the leadership of Pope Francis. In just

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nine months since taking over from Pope Benedict, he has vigorously set

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about modernising the church with comments on everything from gay

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people, to economic and inequality to mothers breast-feeding in public.

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We have been looking at the Francis-phenomenon. The crib, it is

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hard to think of anything more traditional at Christmas time, yet

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800 years ago when it was invented by a man called Francis of Assisi,

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it was seen as something radical. Francis was a religious

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revolutionary, he took the gospel out of churches with gold, marble

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and silk, and took it into the real world. The first crib was in a cave,

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the figures were real people, he had real hey and real smelly animals The

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Catholic Church has a new Francis and a radical turning things up side

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down, telling leaders they are servants not masters. A real

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shepherd must smell of his sheep, he says. It has reignited the

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imagination of the world's 1. 2 billion Catholics. He respects human

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life, and he's close to human people and knows about the Joyce and

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suffering of people. He has language that connects directly to people.

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And a Pope who gives hope. On the edge of St Peter's Square there is a

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modern crib, the homeless of Rome. Wednesday was the Pope's birthday,

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Francis invited Marchine, his Bob called Bob Marley and three of his

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friends to join him for breakfast in the Vatican. What kind of man is the

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Pope? It is this embrace of the lowly and ostracised, throughout

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Pope Francis's first nine months in office which has touched the hearts

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of the ordinary faithful. The street sweepers of Rome devised their own

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crib, hoping the Pope will make an unannounced visit there this

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Christmas. Such is the impact of the Francis-effect, that people are

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returning to church who had previously left disillusioned over

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scandals like sex abuse by priests. I think that before this Pope nobody

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wanted to speak about these kinds of problems, now they are speaking a

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lot. This Pope has brought out this problem that it was a big deal in

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the church. I have a Catholic background because I went to a

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Catholic school until I was 12 years old. Then when I saw all the bad

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things that the priests were doing at school I didn't want to go there

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any more. But is there substance behind this dramatic change of

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style. There is a lot which needs practical action, the Pope's in-tray

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is piled high. There has been a commission to set up with the whole

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issue of sex abuse. A commission to handle those issues, to investigate.

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There has also been a series of issues relating to the reform of the

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Vatican bank and more stringent, more transparent measures that are

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being put into place. The reform of the bureaucracy. That is a big one?

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That is the big one, and that began by the establishing of this

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particular I suppose by the establishing of the Council of Eight

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Cardinals who have been meeting regularly, they met in October, they

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met in December, they are meeting again in February. There is a sense

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here in the city of that reform really gathering momentum. The

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commission to tackle sex abuse has only just been set up. But Francis

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has acted swiftly to tackle financial scandal. Through the gates

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behind me is the Vatican bank, or the Institute for Religious Works as

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it is known around here. The new Pope has moved swiftly to bring

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change. He has closed 600 suspect bank accounts and put in a new

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regulator and appointed an outside panel of experts, including a female

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law professor from Harvard to recommend long-term structural

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reform. But are some of the Pope's big gestures little more than PR.

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The homeless man who breakfasted with Francis is still sleeping rough

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in the Vatican porch the following night. Will the Pope find you

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somewhere to live, or a bed? TRANSLATION: But that is the way we

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live, we like to move around. The Pope has millions of other people to

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look around with bigger problems. But if he does not expect more,

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there will be many others who want substantial change rather than

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symbols. To turn the Vatican from the master of the church to its

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servant will require a scale of reform which is massive. Working out

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how to change the papacy from an absolute monarchy to something more

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collegial is the task of new cardial advisers. It is the biggest change

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in the Government of the church for over 1,000 years. He wants to know

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what ordinary Catholics think, on all sorts of issues, like

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contraception, and homosexuality, and so on. I think think his

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fundamental concern is together as a church we must be responsible. He

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wants to devolve a lot of responsibility from his own personal

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position to the college of bishops, and he hopes that bishops in their

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own diocese will give real responsibility to the people. And I

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think he also wants each of us to take responsibility for our own

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lives. In the end we have to be adults, we have to be grown-up. And

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so we could say that what I think Pope Francis wants is a church for

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grown-ups. Francis wouldn't call it democracy, but it feels something

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rather like that. The big question about the consultation, and the

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wider work of the Cardinal advisers is how radical will be the reforms

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which emerge. Big change is clearly under way in the Vatican, but rather

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like this crib, which behind the cloth is entitled "St Francis 122

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"to Pope Francis 2013, we won't know until it is unveiled just before

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Christmas how significant the work in progress will be. We may have to

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wait longer than that to find out about the extent of the reform in

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the Vatican itself. That's nearly all from us. But

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before we formally sign off for the year. Let's take a look back at some

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of the memorable words that have resounded in the studio over the

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past year. That really is all from us for this

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year. There is no cookie monster to play us out. Nor am I about to

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dance. Sorry. Instead we will leave you with an extract from Carols at

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Kings, can you see it on BBC Two at Christmas Eve, if you celebrate

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Christmas, happy Christmas, otherwise have a very good holiday.

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# Remember Christ our saviour # Was born on Christmas Day

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# Oh tidings of comfort and joy # Oh tidings of comfort and joy

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# Comfort and joy # Oh tidings of DPORMENT

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In-depth investigation and analysis of the stories behind the day's headlines with Victoria Derbyshire.

Ed Miliband goes after gambling machines; Nigella Lawson coverage; economic graphs of the year; the Pope; Newsnight's year.


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