07/01/2014 Newsnight


07/01/2014

With Jeremy Paxman. Looking at: Twitter trolls facing jail; can government raise the minimum wage?; the French 'nazi' salute; consumer electronics in Vegas; and domestic violence.


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Good evening. The most-high-profile case in which

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so-called Twitter trolls are brought to justice results in two guilty

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pleas and the prospect of prison. One of them, tracked down by this

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programme, threatened to rape his victim merely because she tried to

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get a banknote redesigned. She's here to tell us about her

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experience. Can the government get business to

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swallow an increase in the minimum wage? It may look like they are

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making crystal meth here but I promise you it is beer. They paid a

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living wage. Why would you if you did not have to? I was very scared

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that one day I would wake up from being strangled.

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Is there any knowing why domestic violence occurs? I put my hands

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around my partner's throat, trying to get answers out of her. That she

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was cheating on you? Yes. I squeezed and I squeezed.

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Jane Austen meets vicious Twitter Troll. As combinations go they don't

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come much more unexpected. But when two young people pleaded guilty

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today to sending offensive messages to a woman whose only offence was to

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seek to have a woman's face on a British banknote, it lifted the lid

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on a poisonous world of anonymous cyber-bullying which causes real

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distress. The victim of that abuse is here and we'll be talking

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together shortly. But first Zoe Conway reports. Her report contains

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strong language. For more than a week last summer,

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Twitter was engulfed in hate. Threats of death, rape and graphic

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abuse was sent from more than 80 Twitter accounts to the campaign

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Caroline Criado-Perez and the Labour MP Stella Creasy. It began when the

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two women successfully campaigned for a woman to be represented on a

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banknote. Caroline Criado-Perez said the tweets had a lasting

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psychological effect on her. Stella Creasy has said she was left fearing

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for her safety. This is 23-year-old Isabella Sorley from Newcastle. She

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is responsible for sending some of those tweets. Today, she pleaded

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guilty to the charge of sending menacing messages. The court was

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told about tweets she sent using several accounts on the 30th of

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July. The most abusive were sent in the early hours of the morning.

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Hiding under his food is 25-year-old John Nimmo from South Shields, who

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also pleaded guilty to the same charge of sending menacing messages.

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John Nimmo's tweets were directed at Caroline Criado-Perez and Stella

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Creasy over the course of three days last July. He said:

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it was an investigation by Newsnight which led to the arrest of John

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Nimmo who was using a number of Twitter accounts to hide his

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identity. He was tracked down by a journalist. I found all of these

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various Twitter account and linked all of them to one individual who

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was sending abusive tweets using six different accounts. He confirmed to

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me that he was using these different accounts when I spoke to him

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privately. He eventually let slip that he had a PlayStation user

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name. I used that to link to his Facebook account and then we were

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able to find his real name, John Nimmo of South Shields. The court

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was given an insight into the character of the two defendants. The

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prosecution said Isabella Sorley has several previous convictions for

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being drunk and disorderly. She said she was off her face on Trent at the

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time of sending the tweets and does not remember sending the offensive

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messages. John Nimmo's solicitor said he rarely leaves the house,

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here's a somewhat sad individual, because he has no friends he strives

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for popularity online and he measures his popularity on the

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number of really tweets. One of the elements we see with individuals who

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is engaged with this type of behaviour is they are trying to out

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do each other and entertain each other in the group. They will go on

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to other sites and say, this is what I posted, how funny is this? They

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will build up and compete with each other and be more and more

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aggressive. With John Nimmo we have the image of a person who was

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looking for validation and looking for attention. Why did you send

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those messages? I cannot say anything else. They will be

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sentenced in a few weeks time. They are already being punished with a

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series of mocking tweets. And Caroline Criado-Perez joins me

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now. I understand your lawyer has told you not to discuss some of

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this. What is it like to receive some of this correspondence? As you

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said, it is quite difficult because there are still investigation is

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ongoing. But there are many others which are not being investigated.

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That is a concern for me. It is a relief that these two have pleaded

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guilty but it is just the tip of the iceberg. There are so many really

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graphic and violent tweets which were sent to me which are not being

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investigated. Not just that were sent to me but were sent to other

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women. They have not seen any justice whatsoever. They have been

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to the police and have been told to close down their Twitter accounts

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and not treat things which should insight this type of violence. But I

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am really glad that we seem to be seeing some type of justice and

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there is an attempt to take this seriously. Does it surprise you that

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of the two today that one of them was a woman? Probably sad. There is

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no secret that some women can be sexist and misogynistic. We are all

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brought up in the same type of society which has misogyny and sex

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is running through it would be naive that some women do not pick up on

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that. It demonstrates that somewhere in interna lies it so much that they

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are spreading it themselves. What you make of the fact that it was a

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journalist who discovered the identity of one of these are not the

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police? I found it incredibly frustrating. It did feel at the time

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that I was having to do all the investigative work myself, taking

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screen caps, journalists were getting there before the police. The

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next person who was found was found so much longer after Newsnight had

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tracked down someone. Journalists do not have the same recourse of

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information than the police do, it felt like the police were not

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trying. What is the lesson that ought to be learned from this

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experience? Well, quite a few lessons. I think social media

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companies need to be much more aware of the extent to which their

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platforms can be used, not just for positive. They really like to sell

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the positives. What you were using it for was positive? Exactly. It

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enabled me to change something about society. It enables a lot of women

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to engage in the political discourse which is why it is so important that

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we do not allow this to continue. A lot of people are being silenced by

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this, not daring to speak their mind. Are you suggesting that social

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media companies censor what people say? No, but they can take it more

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seriously. They can shut down accounts when they are reported.

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They can make it easier to report. Also they -- the blocking system on

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Twitter is completely inadequate. It is not understood how much Twitter

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can be used to stalk women. They made it easier for women or victims

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to be stalked online. Have you heard of other cases of women being

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stalked online? Absolutely. I am not sure I would go as far as calling it

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an epidemic but it is something which is quite usual. It happens to

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a lot of women and the worst thing is although I feel my case was not

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handled well and I feel angry and frustrated about it, I'm incredibly

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lucky compared to a lot of women who do not see any justice whatsoever.

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They do not get any media attention so they do not get the police

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looking into their case. I do not want to sound callous, but when you

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see that one of the perpetrators of the threats you received is some

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weird individual who does not go out at all, described by his own counsel

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as a sad individual who only ever leave the house to empty the bins,

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you were not actually in any real danger from such a person. But you

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cannot know that online. All you see are these threatening menacing

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messages which are telling you in incredible detail what will happen

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to what part of your body, which will be penetrated, which will be

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mutilated, when you will be pistol whipped, raped or killed and you

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just do not know who these people are. One of the tweets I was sent

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said it could be someone you know and I did not know if it was someone

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I knew or not. How could I possibly know? So what is to be done? I think

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we need to look why this is happening. I think it is incredibly

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important that the police take it more seriously and social media

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companies are seen some responsibility but we need to look

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at not just symptoms but causes. It is about priorities. It is about

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deciding, does this matter? Of course I think it matters because I

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see it as a freedom of speech issue, freedom of speech for women who are

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routinely being shutdown and silenced. Mary Beard was only

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talking about politics and as a result of that she got a similar

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wave of violent, misogynistic abuse and that is people trying to shut

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women down and it is not something we should be allowing to happen.

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Caroline, thank you. Yesterday, they were talking about

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the need for yet more cuts to public spending. Today, it seems the

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Conservatives may be planning to raise the minimum wage above the

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rate of inflation. This, senior figures in the party believe, would

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be the sort of idea which would transfigure the way the public see

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the party. It would certainly be unexpected, especially since the

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party fought to prevent the things be introduced, claiming it would

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cost jobs. Emily Maitlis has more. I know, I know, it looks like a

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scene from Breaking Bad, but it is good old-fashioned beer they brew

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here and they do so happily. Not just because it is beer but because

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their bosses are recently and in credited living wage employer. --

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their boss is a recently accredited living wage employer. Fred Mason,

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who set up this brewery just under a year ago, for him, it was a

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no-brainer. We hope it will lead to high rates of staff retention, high

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rates of motivation and for people to be proud of working for our

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company. Tax breaks for employers offering the living wage is

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something Labour said it would pledge but the whole question of

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wage increases seems to be on a roll right now. The CBI suggested over

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Christmas that companies feeling the benefits of growth should put up

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their staff's wages and there is a growing sense among some Tories that

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would not be a bad horse to back. We want to signal the direction of

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travel. The Prime Minister talks about focusing on the lowest paid.

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Ironic when you think how hard they used to resist it. The only debate

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about the national minimum wage is not whether it would put people out

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of work but how many hundreds of thousands more people would be

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unemployed wholly unnecessary as a result of this. One image the

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Conservatives cannot afford is that theirs is a party of the rich, the

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elite. Recent pushes on welfare reform, immigration, the big

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questions in Europe have pleased those on the right of the party. A

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substantial increase to the national minimum wage would send out a

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totally different message, that people are suffering and they get

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it. Politically, it is very powerful. Well, yes, OK politically

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but economically it is highly conjugated to calibrate. It is

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decided by an independent body. But the Government has the last word.

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Last August, it advised the Government to increase the minimum

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wage by 1.9%. The Government took on the recommendation. Some campaigners

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want to see it at living wage standard. Nationally that would put

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it at ?7 65. Last autumn it was Vince Cable butt kicked things off.

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Remember that. The Lib Dems want you to remember they were first on this

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one. The Conservatives have shamelessly been pinching Lib Dem

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policies. They are desperate not to look so nasty, the Tories. It does

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look now as if they are coming on board to increase the minimum wage.

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Better late than never. Our concern is that if the national minimum wage

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increases excessively, by more than the market will bear, employers will

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take on new workers at a lower pace than they would otherwise have done

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so or may even shed workers. Government sources have told me

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George Osborne invited leaders in to discuss the issue ahead of the

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Autumn Statement. They left him unconvinced a rise would work. The

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Government has not submitted its final evidence but it does no harm

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to look like they are thinking hard. No risky business but a sense,

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can I get away with this one? They have not bottled it for ever. With

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me here to discuss this are the Conservative backbenchers, Robert

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Halfon and Mark Reckless. What do you reckon? I think you made a huge

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mistake as a party to oppose the minimum wage. We are supposed to be

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the party of a hard-working people. Something really symbolic like

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minimum wage, we need to show we supported and we should increase it

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as long as it does not hit jobs. It is consistent with the promise you

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make all the offer you make. If we are to be the party for hard-working

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people, the workers party, we have to show people we support the

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minimum wage. It gets people back into work. Would you like to see it

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introduced? I oppose the introduction. You oppose the

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introduction of the minimum wage but what about an increase? Ten years

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ago I would have said no but I am concerned it will cost jobs.

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Evidence has not born that out. -- because I was concerned it would

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cost jobs. It will save the taxpayer money. The taxpayer is topping up

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low wages through tax credits. In the last really difficult economic

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period, employment has done really well. Over 30 million people in

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work. Wages have been terribly slow. They have fallen really a lot

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in real terms. I just wonder if an above inflation increase in minimum

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wage might actually give the right signal for wages and would be

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affordable for most employers and would not cost jobs. You are not

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converted but can see the merit of the argument. Roberts, like me,

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fought his seat three times before he won. Quite a lot of my

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constituents would benefit from an above inflation rise. I do not wink

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there would be a significant worry on employment. George Osborne was

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saying yesterday there has to be another 25 billion cut from public

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spending. The minimum wage will encourage people back into work. We

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must be careful to raise it to a level that does not hit jobs. You

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actually can raise it through other means, through raising the threshold

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in which people pay national insurance tax, for example,

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continuing to raise the threshold at which people pay income tax. You can

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reach a minimum wage and a living wage by reforming the tax system. It

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will get people off benefits. Above all, it will show the public that we

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really are on the side of hard-working people. If we are to

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say that and have that as our slogan, we have to really mean it.

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You have to find something that will slightly and EU to the public by

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comparison with your present stance. It is not so much the political

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positioning. I worked as an economist and have thought about it

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a lot. Evidence has changed. Companies have quite a lot of money

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stacked away. Wages have fallen, perhaps 10%, compared with where

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they were in real terms. Above inflation increases in the minimum

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wage would not cause the rise in unemployment that was feared. It may

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give the right sort of signal, both in terms of what we want to seek in

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helping people at the bottom end but also in the economy, in terms of

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getting money into consumers pockets and getting the economy moving

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further. You sound as if you are just about persuaded. I spoke about

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this a few months ago with the Chancellor. I left that meeting

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telling him I thought he should go for it. I think he has been quite

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surprised at the extent to which there is not opposition. I think

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opinion has shifted within the Conservative party. We followed the

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evidence. We have been helping people at the lower end of the

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labour market. This would be another way of doing it. I no longer have

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the fears in terms of employment that I used to. That is why the

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Conservatives were worried about it in the past. I have anxieties. On

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balance I think it is the right thing to do. I think politicians

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should decide. You should not send it to quangos like the low pay

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commission. You need to think, is it economic lead and politically the

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right thing to do? The low pay commission, when the minimum wage

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was operated, said it could not be operated any more because of the

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fragility of the economy. I think the time has come to increase the

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minimum wage in terms of inflation to reflect the changes that have

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happened in the past few years. The minimum wage has risen at very tiny

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levels in the past couple of years or so. It is not just about the

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minimum wage. I want to achieve a living wage. Achieve that by

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reforming the tax system. We need to get more people out of tax. There

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are still 5 million people in our country who will earn less than

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?10,000 a year who work part-time. They are not affected by income tax

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changes which have been very beneficial. We need to reform

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national insurance. We need to get people out of tax. At that time, we

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will get people towards a living wage. You are more or less

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converted, aren't you? I do not think it is an idea to be pressuring

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companies or public sector employees. A lot of people cannot

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afford it. We do not pay the living wage will stop some other councils

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do. The job of the council is to deliver services as efficiently and

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effectively as it can and not pay public workers more than it needs to

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get them to do the job. If you are doing it across the board at a

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national level and you have a national minimum wage which is not

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causing problems, I do think it is an issue we should look at. Robin

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has made a very strong case. If we said we opposed the minimum wage and

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now we support it, we do not want to be on the wrong side of the

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argument. Twelfth Night is gone, and with it the season of goodwill. It's

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a melancholy fact that Christmas and New Year is also the high point for

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domestic disharmony and, in an alarming number of cases, domestic

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violence. The full extent of this horror isn't known, although a

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figure of over a million women is often given as an indication of the

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scale. Many women have difficulty persuading the police to take them

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seriously but sometimes the abusers do opt for treatment. I am quite a

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bit bigger than my wife so it was very easy to intimidate her with my

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size. I would start using that as a controlling measure.

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It turned physical one afternoon. My wife was not listening to what I was

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saying, or I did not believe she was understanding what I was saying. In

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my mind, she was not being very clever or very alert to what I

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wanted to do. So, I lashed out. I punched her in the stomach will stop

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this was about eight weeks after the birth of my son said this was very

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painful. He was lovely. We went to the beach

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and did normal couple things like hung out. Just had tea together,

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watched TV, had a laugh, and sort of just a normal relationship to begin

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with really. Things went from an argumentative situation to

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physically abusive within the space of weeks. I cannot think of a form

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of violence I did not display. Nearly every part of my body he

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would hit. After a while, he would do it where people could not see. It

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got to the point where I'd put my hands and ran my partner 's throat,

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trying to get answers out of her... That she was cheating on you? And I

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squeezed and squeezed and just could not let go. My partner lost all

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consciousness. She felt out of my hands, onto the floor. Were you

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worried that he was going to kill you? Yes. I was very scared that one

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day I would not wake up from being strangled, I would not be there no

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more. It was very... Sorry. My wife made it clear that if I did not go

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on the course, it would be all over. That is where I learned that

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some of my passive aggressive behaviours were abused. Before I

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started the course, just physical violence was abused and not the

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control that I had been carrying out for the past number of years. My

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wife recently left the phone on the side and it got damaged. Whereas a

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number of years ago, that would have been an exact opportunity for me to

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be passive aggressive and bully her and belittle her, I could basically

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just shrug my shoulders and go, oh well, we will get a new one. I quite

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enjoyed watching Hollyoaks when the children had gone to bed. They were

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doing a storyline on domestic abuse and I was watching it. I was like,

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that is me. I need to sort of get out of this. It was getting worse

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and worse to the point where she was going to get seriously hurt. I

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thought, no, I have had enough. I am not doing it any more. I went

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upstairs and called the police. I admitted to arguing with my partner

:26:45.:26:50.

but any physical damage to herself, to the property, I flipped. I made

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it her fault. I accused her of hitting herself. They phoned up and

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said we had dropped the case again. I was like, OK. Did you want that

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case to be dropped? No. I did not want it to be dropped. I wanted him

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to be punished for what he had done to me. I had given up on everything.

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I very rapidly went downhill. I got suicidal. I took an overdose. I did

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not know where to go will stop I engaged myself on the course. I

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asked for a self referral. He is completely changed. He can actually

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hold his temper for an awful lot longer and he is able to recognise

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when he gets to the point where he will explode. He will lead and take

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a time out. Do you think you are killed? No. My belief is, I am still

:27:57.:28:09.

exactly the same person. I still have the ability to get that angry,

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be that aggressive, but I have the tools and I have the management

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techniques to control my anger and do something more positive with it.

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I would not say he will never do it again but as long as we recognise it

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and work at it and put the things in place and recognise the signs, we

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can get through it without it getting to that point. Why should

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she believe you now? It is a question of trust. I do not expect

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anyone to believe me, ever. I have diminished the trust that level. It

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is people 's own decisions whether they will trust me or not.

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The names were changed in that report to keep the contributors

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anonymous. Are these programmes the way forward? We are joined by Colin

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Fitzgerald, of Respect, the organisation which runs these

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courses and by Polly Neate from Women's Aid. What happens on these

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courses? The men come on the programme. They have to provide

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their partner's details so they get support at the same time. They are

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asked to look at their behaviour and are held accountable for their

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behaviour and asked to take responsibility for it. Can you clear

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anyone who comes on to the cause? I think you are is too strong a word.

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The course is about increasing the safety of victims and children. You

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are presumably pleased these courses exist? Definitely. What is important

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is they are part of a response to domestic violence. We need to

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remember that at this time in the UK, we have a lot of in adequacy is

:30:19.:30:22.

in the police and the criminal justice response to domestic

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violence and we have situations where services across the country

:30:26.:30:30.

for victims and affected children are being decimated. Additionally

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important to point out that these programmes rely on the rest of that

:30:35.:30:38.

response from society in order to be effective. It is really important.

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These programmes on their own do not keep victims say. There is a hole in

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the structure and a response to domestic violence that does that.

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Who regulates you? With our member programmes we regulate them. You

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ourselves regulated? We regulate these programmes. Asked as an

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organisation is endorsed by a number of organisations, for example the

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Home Office and the saying that we need a much earlier

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intervention. We need victims to feel confident in coming forward to

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the police and being supported to make those choices. The other

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important thing to relearn their is that we are seeing a trend for

:31:57.:32:01.

commissioning very short-term perpetrator programmes, not

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necessarily effective, and we are in an environment where everyone is

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trying to save money and there are some real risks created by that.

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Where these programmes are of good quality, that is one thing but we

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need to learn the that couples counselling, mediation, short-term

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behavioural programmes for perpetrators are not valid

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perpetrator treatment programmes. Do you agree with that? Absolutely.

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Isn't there a danger that if you teach a man somehow to manage his

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behaviour so he is not overtly violent, that there is a danger he

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may start to find more subtle ways of being abusive? Is there a worry

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about that? There is absolutely a concern. That is why the primary aim

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of the programmes we endorse and regulate, we ask that the primary

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aim is to increase safety first and foremost. That can only happen if

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there are linked partner support services. That is if a guy comes on

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the programme he signed up to limited confidentiality. We no one

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of the reasons why women stay in relationships with men who are

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abusive is if the partner is getting some support. The support is vital.

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I really agree with that. You cannot emphasise enough the importance for

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services that actually protect victims and give them choices in the

:33:29.:33:32.

situation. The other thing to say if this is not just about anger

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management. It is not just about a guy learning to control his temper

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because domestic violence is about coercion and control. It is quite

:33:41.:33:44.

calculated. It is not just under the who cannot keep their temper. It is

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a much more complicated set of behaviours than that and it is

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really important that those are addressed. It is not just about a

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six-week anger management course and calling that a perpetrator

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programme. Thank you. Now, If you've noticed what seems to

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be an unnatural scarcity of pasty-faced, tired-eyed geeks in

:34:11.:34:12.

your locality, here's the explanation.

:34:13.:34:18.

They're in Las Vegas. Like the members of an occult sect they

:34:19.:34:22.

gather at this time of year at the Consumer Electronics Show there to

:34:23.:34:24.

worship the latest glittering gewgaws offered up by international

:34:25.:34:27.

capitalism. David Grossman is among them.

:34:28.:34:33.

The old saying is what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Why would the

:34:34.:34:41.

political correspondents be at the Consumer Electronics Show in Vegas?

:34:42.:34:44.

I have got a new job now. This is supposed to be the year of smart TV.

:34:45.:34:50.

The problem is, where to start in this enormous show. There is only

:34:51.:34:55.

one thing you need to see for bragging rights. You have to go to

:34:56.:34:59.

some sun and see their bendable television. It will make you smile.

:35:00.:35:07.

So it is over two Samsung then. Does this one bend? No. That one bend?

:35:08.:35:20.

Thank you. Does this one bend? Does it bend? Yes, it is Ben D. Will it

:35:21.:35:40.

bend now? It is going to bend. It is bending. That is a bend TV. One of

:35:41.:35:52.

the things we see here is new technologies which do not have their

:35:53.:35:59.

end application yet. This is detecting the movement of my hands

:36:00.:36:04.

and my fingertips. It is adapting music. That is not the end product.

:36:05.:36:08.

It is up to Manufacturer is to incorporate this technology and do

:36:09.:36:12.

something extraordinary with it. What will they do? We do not know

:36:13.:36:18.

yet. Everywhere you look there are cool gadgets. Like these. They are

:36:19.:36:25.

all controlled from your smartphone. It is not just fun. You can use this

:36:26.:36:31.

to teach children how to programme. And I suppose it could make Mr

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Paxman's next croquet party more interesting. You are a robot are

:36:37.:36:54.

you? I am in California controlling this device. Nice to meet you,

:36:55.:37:06.

shaking hands. Perfect, yes. Bye-bye. Although this stuff looks

:37:07.:37:11.

super slick, the technology does not always work. Yesterday, when

:37:12.:37:16.

Saint-Saens work unveiling their new TVs, they had a film director to

:37:17.:37:22.

help them but his autocue did not work. It turned into a disaster

:37:23.:37:30.

movie. The curve, it will impact how we experience movies. Excuse me, I

:37:31.:37:37.

am sorry. I am sorry. OK. Thank you for joining us. That is all from the

:37:38.:37:45.

Consumer Electronics Show. Tomorrow we will be look at health and

:37:46.:37:49.

fitness technology, of which, there is a massive amount here. Strange as

:37:50.:37:54.

it may seem, Las Vegas which gave the world the all buffets, is

:37:55.:37:59.

serving up some things which can help you live. I cannot do this, my

:38:00.:38:11.

head is not in the right space. Now, French comedian has

:38:12.:38:19.

short-circuited his country's right to free speech. President Francois

:38:20.:38:28.

Hollande has urged people to ban performances by Dieudonne Mbala

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Mbala, usually known as Diuedonne, because of his anti-Semitism. It has

:38:35.:38:38.

tested Voltaire's believe that I defend what you have to say but not

:38:39.:38:48.

the right to hear it. The artist called Diuedonne in one

:38:49.:38:56.

of his recent shows. This number is called the victimisation

:38:57.:38:59.

Championships in where he plays various characters which are

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pleading because of suffering races in history. The subtext is

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understood by the audience, it is Jews who have grasped the suffering

:39:07.:39:14.

limelight. It is provocation is like this which have led President

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Hollande to act. A circular is being sent to local authorities reminding

:39:20.:39:22.

them they have the power to ban Diuedonne's shows on the grounds of

:39:23.:39:28.

a danger to public order. TRANSLATION: In the threat to racism

:39:29.:39:34.

and anti-Semitism, of the human lesions caused by discrimination, I

:39:35.:39:37.

ask the public authorities to be vigilant and flexible. A total

:39:38.:39:44.

overreaction say Diuedonne's supporters for whom this is all

:39:45.:39:47.

about free speech. If there are no disturbances at his shows, says his

:39:48.:39:51.

lawyer, and there has not been, then what the government is doing is pure

:39:52.:39:57.

censorship. Diuedonne has been based at this small Theatre in Paris which

:39:58.:40:05.

is now daubed with graffiti. When he started his career, he was in a

:40:06.:40:08.

double act with another comedian who was Jewish. Back then, everyone

:40:09.:40:14.

agrees that he was genuinely very funny and very clever. But over the

:40:15.:40:20.

years, the act has changed. The Diuedonne of today's overtly

:40:21.:40:25.

political. Such humour as there is is deliberate, provocative, targeted

:40:26.:40:27.

and some would say downright vicious. Over the years, there have

:40:28.:40:33.

been several convictions and fines for anti-Jewish remarks, but

:40:34.:40:36.

recently, according to Jewish leaders, the climate has turned

:40:37.:40:43.

particularly nasty. This man, whose grandfathers both died in the

:40:44.:40:46.

Holocaust, says the atmosphere reminds him of early 1930s Germany.

:40:47.:40:53.

He spoke of a journalist called Patrick Kavanagh. With a name: You

:40:54.:41:02.

only be a Jew. -- Patrick Coen. He said he wished he had been there at

:41:03.:41:08.

the time of the Holocaust. We cannot accept that, it is really too much.

:41:09.:41:12.

He said the Holocaust never happened, it is an invention of the

:41:13.:41:23.

Jews. For many, not familiar with Diuedonne, the first introduction

:41:24.:41:29.

with his world has been via the strange arm movement known as the

:41:30.:41:33.

quenelle. The footballer Nicholas and elk did it in Britain. It has

:41:34.:41:39.

been popularised on the Internet. It is an overt anti-Jewish gesture. For

:41:40.:41:46.

others, it is perhaps more innocent, it is a way of putting up two

:41:47.:41:54.

fingers to the system. Either way, the popularity shows how Diuedonne

:41:55.:41:59.

has forged an alliance of unlikely types. For his biographer, it is all

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part of the new face of the populist far right in Europe. TRANSLATION:

:42:11.:42:15.

The people who follow him are mainly young, working class. They are not

:42:16.:42:20.

culturally high level, but they are people who like him taking risks in

:42:21.:42:24.

his provocation. They like him taking on the system. It is a way of

:42:25.:42:30.

dealing with their own suffering in society. Several cities in France

:42:31.:42:35.

have now said they will not allow Diuedonne to perform but what

:42:36.:42:39.

difference that will make is far from clear. It is the Internet which

:42:40.:42:44.

counts and Diuedonne's videos on YouTube can draw up to 2 million

:42:45.:42:48.

hits. His audience are out there and they like what they hear. Well, a

:42:49.:42:57.

little earlier I spoke to the French writer and film maker Alain Soral,

:42:58.:43:00.

who is a close friend of Mr Dieudonne, and helped him popularise

:43:01.:43:03.

the infamous quenelle gesture. I began by asking him what on earth it

:43:04.:43:05.

meant. It is a gesture against the system,

:43:06.:43:17.

the powers that be in France. It has only recently become the most

:43:18.:43:26.

powerful Jewish organisation in France, they decreed it was an

:43:27.:43:31.

anti-Semitic gesture. Their idea is that an anti-system gesture is an

:43:32.:43:37.

anti-Semitic ones. Is that an improper accusation? That is the

:43:38.:43:53.

question. You do not denied that Mr Dieudonne is an anti-Semite, do you?

:43:54.:44:00.

The problem now is that this word has become used to scare people. A

:44:01.:44:06.

long time ago, Dieudonne had a partner. All of these accusations

:44:07.:44:12.

started arriving the day he did a sketch on Israeli settlers. Today we

:44:13.:44:16.

have a very powerful Zionist lobby in France which treats anyone who

:44:17.:44:19.

does not subscribe to its vision in the world as anti-Semitic. When he

:44:20.:44:28.

says he is neutral, between the Nazis and the Jews, he is obviously

:44:29.:44:36.

saying he is anti-Semitic. I do not think you have quite understood that

:44:37.:44:42.

Dieudonne is a comedian. He performs comedy and does sketches. If you

:44:43.:44:47.

take a phrase in isolation, you will not understand. You need to ask the

:44:48.:44:51.

people who have seen his entire show and then you will see that his very

:44:52.:44:55.

diverse audience, which reflects the whole of French public opinion, have

:44:56.:45:03.

never thought he is anti-Semitic. If that is the case, why is it that the

:45:04.:45:08.

Government that takes such a strong line against him? Because the French

:45:09.:45:16.

government, as we can see from its foreign policy and the annual

:45:17.:45:22.

dinner, is entirely under the influence of the Zionist lobby. What

:45:23.:45:28.

do you imagine Mr Dieudonne will do now that he is finding himself

:45:29.:45:34.

banned in so many cities? The truth is that the measures taken by the

:45:35.:45:38.

Socialist government are completely illegal in France. Since France is

:45:39.:45:45.

still under the rule of law, I would say Dieudonne will win and his case

:45:46.:45:49.

will be supported by the facts. What is illegal today is not Dieudonne,

:45:50.:45:53.

it is the measures the socialist government and the interior minister

:45:54.:45:58.

have taken. Dieudonne will win his battle. Thank you very much indeed.

:45:59.:46:09.

That's it. We leave you with the work of Professor Trevor Cox, who

:46:10.:46:12.

has scoured the world for his favourite sounds, and then,

:46:13.:46:15.

challengingly, put them in a book called Sonic Wonderland. Here are

:46:16.:46:18.

four of the ones we liked best. Goodnight.

:46:19.:46:26.

In-depth investigation and analysis of the stories behind the day's headlines with Jeremy Paxman. Looking at: Twitter trolls facing jail; can government raise the minimum wage?; the French 'nazi' salute; consumer electronics in Vegas; and domestic violence.


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