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Tonight, why is the membership of the Conservative Party falling | :00:09. | :00:14. | |
through the floor, and without adequate members, does it make the | :00:15. | :00:18. | |
next election unwinnable on the doorsteps? I think the Conservative | :00:19. | :00:24. | |
Party are out on their own for the better off but not the poorer. When | :00:25. | :00:28. | |
a right-wing commentator like Simon Heffer looks at the state of the | :00:29. | :00:33. | |
party, he needs a stiff drink. A few Tory MPs agree. I think there has | :00:34. | :00:37. | |
long been a disconnect between Central Office and the voluntary | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
parties. I'm not sure Central Office holds the opinions of the voluntary | :00:42. | :00:45. | |
party in the highest regard. If only I could make this message go viral. | :00:46. | :00:49. | |
After Scarlett Johansson discovers you can't have it all and chooses | :00:50. | :00:55. | |
Sodatream over Oxfam, we talk to the man who pays the piper and to the | :00:56. | :01:13. | |
charity which got the boot. Oot. Facebook turns ten, will the first | :01:14. | :01:21. | |
ten be much like the first. Fewer and fewer people seem | :01:22. | :01:27. | |
interested in politics, as Russell Brand has already told us. They are | :01:28. | :01:30. | |
all the same is the repeated complaint, the difficulty is no | :01:31. | :01:33. | |
political party can have that belief gain ground because the whole point | :01:34. | :01:38. | |
of elections, and there will be one next year, is they are built on a | :01:39. | :01:42. | |
choice. Everybody party has a problem with membership, but the | :01:43. | :01:45. | |
Conservatives, who could once muster an enormous army of individual | :01:46. | :01:49. | |
members have a particular problem. Membership has almost halved, for | :01:50. | :01:53. | |
example, since David Cameron became leader. Heffer, a long -- Simon | :01:54. | :02:03. | |
Heffer a long time observer and reporter explains. This report | :02:04. | :02:09. | |
contains flash photography. # I'm walking | :02:10. | :02:11. | |
# Yes indeed # I'm talking | :02:12. | :02:16. | |
# I'm hoping It is still 15 months away from the | :02:17. | :02:20. | |
next general election, but already Halifax candidate Phil and his team | :02:21. | :02:26. | |
are pounding the doorstep, trying to persuade people to vote blue when | :02:27. | :02:32. | |
the time comes. The Conservatives nationally are pursuing what they | :02:33. | :02:37. | |
call a 40-40 strategy, to hold their 40 most marginal seats and to win a | :02:38. | :02:41. | |
further 40 from other parties. Halifax is 18th on the target list. | :02:42. | :02:45. | |
But even here the party no longer has an office in the constituency, | :02:46. | :02:51. | |
which makes it tough for candidates such as Phil. What condition is your | :02:52. | :02:56. | |
association in Halifax, how big is your membership? The membership is | :02:57. | :03:01. | |
not huge. The membership pretty much mirrors from what I can see across | :03:02. | :03:06. | |
West Yorkshire and beyond. But what we do have is a dedicated team of | :03:07. | :03:12. | |
activists. But it is a compact team and in an ideal world everybody | :03:13. | :03:17. | |
could do with another 20 canvassers. One of the things the Conservative | :03:18. | :03:21. | |
Party has to look at is making it more attractive to be a party | :03:22. | :03:25. | |
member. This was Mrs Thatcher's first campaign sortie into the | :03:26. | :03:30. | |
north. The seat was last won by the Conservatives at the 1983 election, | :03:31. | :03:34. | |
in the landslide that followed an unapologetic campaign by Margaret | :03:35. | :03:38. | |
Thatcher. A shopkeeper's daughter from the East Midlands, who didn't | :03:39. | :03:41. | |
believe working-class areas were off limits. David Cameron's appeal to | :03:42. | :03:48. | |
the same constituency has been less instinctive. He promised to | :03:49. | :03:52. | |
rebalance the economy, to cause a recovery for all, north and south. | :03:53. | :03:56. | |
But he has struggled to shake off the "posh boy" image of Eton and the | :03:57. | :04:02. | |
Bullingdon club and to relate more naturally to working-class people. | :04:03. | :04:16. | |
What goes into it, OK oregano? No. Some Halifax voters seem to regard | :04:17. | :04:21. | |
the Conservative leadership as if from another planet. David Cameron | :04:22. | :04:24. | |
says the country is having an economic recovery and it is not just | :04:25. | :04:27. | |
in the south-east of England, have you seen much evidence of this | :04:28. | :04:31. | |
recovery in Halifax? No. Have things got better over the last four or | :04:32. | :04:34. | |
five years here? No, I think the Conservative Party are out for their | :04:35. | :04:39. | |
own, for the better off, but not for the poorer, not for the poor | :04:40. | :04:42. | |
families. There is people in Halifax the kids are starving, there is food | :04:43. | :04:46. | |
banks, there has never been food banks before. Is there anything that | :04:47. | :04:51. | |
would make you Conservative? At the moment I'm anti-voting full stop. | :04:52. | :04:55. | |
However some people are much more willing to engage with the political | :04:56. | :05:00. | |
process. What is your issue Sir? It is the amount of dog excrement. In | :05:01. | :05:05. | |
the end Phil's hard work pays off. Do we have your support at all? I | :05:06. | :05:10. | |
have always voted Conservative. That will do for me, thank you very much. | :05:11. | :05:20. | |
The stories really ought to win Halifax if they are to form a | :05:21. | :05:23. | |
majority Government, they will have to hold seats where they are | :05:24. | :05:27. | |
vulnerable, such as Thurrock, where Jacky Doyle Price has a majority of | :05:28. | :05:32. | |
just 92. We caught up with her in her Thames side constituency, while | :05:33. | :05:36. | |
she was meeting the port of London authority. One issue in particular | :05:37. | :05:41. | |
has caused her problems. The issue with same-sex marriage is it upset a | :05:42. | :05:45. | |
lot of traditional voters, so lots of Conservatives were very unhappy | :05:46. | :05:51. | |
about it. Ultimately, you know, we're elected, we have to do the | :05:52. | :05:55. | |
right thing, in the end I voted against the third reading. Even | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
though she's out pounding the pavements every weekend, Jackie | :06:00. | :06:03. | |
feels handicapped because the uniformity of today's politicians | :06:04. | :06:06. | |
leaves the electorate with little apparent choice. If you go back to | :06:07. | :06:12. | |
1980s, when I was becoming politically aware, politics was | :06:13. | :06:16. | |
exciting, it was about ideas, you know. There was a distinct | :06:17. | :06:20. | |
difference between the approach of Michael Foot and Margaret Thatcher. | :06:21. | :06:24. | |
We need ideas for them to get excited about. In some respects this | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
is where UKIP have found some success. If there is one thing the | :06:29. | :06:32. | |
Brits will get excited about is Europe, we all hate it. So they have | :06:33. | :06:37. | |
got a very rich place to attract people. Meanwhile, elsewhere in | :06:38. | :06:43. | |
Thurrock UKIP are plotting Jacky's downfall. . This This champion darts | :06:44. | :07:04. | |
player is UKIP's representative in Thurrock. He thinks he will score a | :07:05. | :07:09. | |
bullseye here. I'm sure you have been involved in political | :07:10. | :07:13. | |
espionage, what does your intelligence tell us about the state | :07:14. | :07:16. | |
of the Conservative Party here? It has been in decline for many years. | :07:17. | :07:20. | |
They got rid of their ward associations in the last decade. | :07:21. | :07:24. | |
They can't fight elections without calling in help from other branches, | :07:25. | :07:30. | |
other regions. We now have teams out regularly every weekend. We can | :07:31. | :07:34. | |
outman them. We are getting people out to vote who when faced with | :07:35. | :07:41. | |
Liberty-Lal-Con, they think they will stay in and watch the pub and | :07:42. | :07:50. | |
off to the pub. Now they think they can change the country. The | :07:51. | :07:54. | |
Conservatives used to be a mass movement party. When Winston | :07:55. | :08:00. | |
Churchill was leader they had two. Eight million members. In 2005 when | :08:01. | :08:08. | |
David Cameron became leader it had fallen to 250,000 members. In 2013 | :08:09. | :08:22. | |
lax year, it -- last year, it had lapsed to 134,000. I get the | :08:23. | :08:26. | |
impression that the people who run the Conservative Party don't seem to | :08:27. | :08:29. | |
find very much that there has been such a decline in the mass | :08:30. | :08:32. | |
membership? I think there has long been a disconnect between Central | :08:33. | :08:37. | |
Office and the voluntary parties. I'm not sure Central Office holds | :08:38. | :08:41. | |
the opinions of the voluntary party in the highest regard, I think this | :08:42. | :08:44. | |
is a pity. I think the voluntary party is the essence of | :08:45. | :08:48. | |
Conservatism. That we are a party that is built up from the localities | :08:49. | :08:53. | |
rather than top down. I'm interested you talk about the disconnect, we | :08:54. | :08:59. | |
have seen in the last two days two Tory MPs deselected, Anne Mackintosh | :09:00. | :09:03. | |
and Tim Yeo, it seems where there is a vibrant association it is an | :09:04. | :09:07. | |
association determined not to take orders from Central Office or the | :09:08. | :09:10. | |
Prime Minister? I don't think it is helpful when the hierarchy | :09:11. | :09:13. | |
interconvience in local selections. In my own case Central Office was | :09:14. | :09:18. | |
very keen to stop me being selected. Actually I think every time they | :09:19. | :09:21. | |
said not to have me my support locally went up. Jacob Rees-Mogg is | :09:22. | :09:29. | |
right, the disconnect between the Tory leadership and their grassroots | :09:30. | :09:35. | |
is profound. Moon while UKIP are deeply determined and fielding an | :09:36. | :09:40. | |
expanding number of foot soldiers. The end of the Conservatives as a | :09:41. | :09:43. | |
mass movement could sabotage the party's chances, not just of winning | :09:44. | :09:48. | |
its target seats, but holding some it already has. By ignoring the | :09:49. | :09:51. | |
importance of their activists they could be making a fatal error. With | :09:52. | :10:00. | |
us now to discuss all of this is the very Simon Heffer you saw there, and | :10:01. | :10:04. | |
the former Chief Whip, Andrew Mitchell. You can't win the next | :10:05. | :10:08. | |
election if this picture is replicated across the land? I think | :10:09. | :10:12. | |
that the lack of boots on the ground, if you hike, is something | :10:13. | :10:16. | |
which a-- if you like, is something that afflicts all political party. | :10:17. | :10:20. | |
UKIP are pick up boots on the ground as shown in Simon's film. It is | :10:21. | :10:23. | |
important to recognise that the nature of campaigning is changing | :10:24. | :10:28. | |
quite a lot. For example the Conservative Party contact speaks to | :10:29. | :10:31. | |
hundreds of thousands of people every week by e-mail. You know we | :10:32. | :10:37. | |
have an enormous database of people who we contact. You have team 2015 | :10:38. | :10:41. | |
which is designed to deal with the marginal seats, already got 4,000 | :10:42. | :10:46. | |
people signed up to it. There is a broader way of campaigning too. What | :10:47. | :10:50. | |
do you make of the argument that you can remedy the shortfall in active | :10:51. | :10:56. | |
members, digitally. I have yet to find an internet website that will | :10:57. | :11:00. | |
drive an old lady to a polling station. Jacob Rees-Mogg didn't say | :11:01. | :11:08. | |
on camera but he told me off camera because he didn't have time, he | :11:09. | :11:11. | |
talked to a professor of sociology who had taken a survey of people who | :11:12. | :11:15. | |
had been asked on the doorstep to go and vote. Not for any particular | :11:16. | :11:20. | |
party, but to go and vote. And in the wards where people were asked to | :11:21. | :11:25. | |
go and vote to turn up was up by 7%. So it is clear, I think, by any | :11:26. | :11:29. | |
academic studies that actually going on to a doorstep, knocking on a door | :11:30. | :11:35. | |
and engaging with a voter gets them out to a polling station. That is | :11:36. | :11:38. | |
very important, but the point you make about people driving elderly | :11:39. | :11:43. | |
people to the polls, I mean that is one of the reason why there has been | :11:44. | :11:48. | |
a tremendous number of postal vote, to stop people being inconvienced in | :11:49. | :11:52. | |
that way, if they want to use the opportunity of the postal vote. I | :11:53. | :11:55. | |
think the nature of campaigning has changed. I don't deny that banging | :11:56. | :12:00. | |
on doors is essential, we all do it much of the time. But I think we | :12:01. | :12:03. | |
need to recognise that the Conservative Party is in touch with | :12:04. | :12:07. | |
probably more people than Churchill's Conservative Party was, | :12:08. | :12:10. | |
in spite of the much bigger membership at that time. You would | :12:11. | :12:13. | |
accept, Simon, it is not a normal thing to do to join a political | :12:14. | :12:18. | |
party is it? Not any more, no. But people are joining UKIP, and in many | :12:19. | :12:21. | |
of these target seats that the Conservatives have, and in many of | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
the seats they have to hold, UKIP are a very important force, they are | :12:26. | :12:31. | |
not necessarily the opposition, but they have the capacity to remove | :12:32. | :12:35. | |
large chunk of people who voted Conservative in 2010, or who might | :12:36. | :12:38. | |
be considering voting Conservative, and to UKIP they behave in a very | :12:39. | :12:43. | |
traditional way, they have boots on the ground, people canvassing every | :12:44. | :12:47. | |
weekend in place like Thurrock, knocking on doors, asking people to | :12:48. | :12:50. | |
support them when the next election comes. That is what the Conservative | :12:51. | :12:53. | |
Party is up against. That is what you are up begins. You have got to | :12:54. | :12:56. | |
try to counter that very traditional thing, which people still like. They | :12:57. | :13:00. | |
like the personal contact of a candidate on the doorstep. We | :13:01. | :13:04. | |
certainly have a lot of work to do but in the end many people in UKIP | :13:05. | :13:08. | |
are our cousins, we want them back. We need to persuade them that the | :13:09. | :13:12. | |
way to get the referendum, in-out Reverend dumb in 2017 is to vote -- | :13:13. | :13:18. | |
referendum in 2017 is to vote Conservative. It is the only way to | :13:19. | :13:21. | |
achieve T I'm pretty confident between now and the general election | :13:22. | :13:28. | |
that point will register a lot with those flirting with UKIP at this | :13:29. | :13:32. | |
time. If you want the referendum a Conservative vote will deliver it. | :13:33. | :13:36. | |
You will have to end up in the same sort of mechanism that the Labour | :13:37. | :13:39. | |
Party has got itself in to, different types of membership, you | :13:40. | :13:43. | |
will have to start fudging things hike that won't you? We already have | :13:44. | :13:47. | |
some different relation. You are already fudging! If you look at the | :13:48. | :13:52. | |
figure, Simon's figure is not comparable with the figures for the | :13:53. | :13:55. | |
Liberal Democrats and Labour. The comparable figure is something like | :13:56. | :14:00. | |
174,000. And over recent weeks I gather from Central Office the | :14:01. | :14:03. | |
figures haven't yet been audited. Over recent weeks and months we have | :14:04. | :14:08. | |
seen our membership increase by several thousand. It is not static | :14:09. | :14:12. | |
situation. It is still pretty rubbish in comparison with what it | :14:13. | :14:16. | |
was. We have these alternative mechanisms, in terms of the number | :14:17. | :14:19. | |
of people the Conservative Party is talking to, it is now probably more | :14:20. | :14:23. | |
than it was in the time Simon was mentioned in Churchill's day. Are | :14:24. | :14:27. | |
you persuaded? No I'm not. One reason we went to Halifax, although | :14:28. | :14:30. | |
Phil was a very engaging candidate. We wanted to go to Morley and | :14:31. | :14:36. | |
Outwood, that is Ed Balls's seat, it is the 11th most vulnerable seat for | :14:37. | :14:40. | |
the Tories. The chairman agreed to speak to us, and at the last minute | :14:41. | :14:45. | |
rang the producer and said they didn't want to do it between now and | :14:46. | :14:49. | |
the election. From the inquiries I made there isn't really an | :14:50. | :14:54. | |
association in that area. In the 11th most vulnerable seat you have | :14:55. | :14:57. | |
got to try to win and the seat with Ed Balls in it, who is an enormous | :14:58. | :15:01. | |
scalp for your party. If you haven't an organisation there, if you are | :15:02. | :15:04. | |
not prepared to talk to the media about a your campaign there. 15 | :15:05. | :15:10. | |
months outside an election, that seems unconvincing about the nature | :15:11. | :15:15. | |
of the campaign you hope to fight for that seat. . You saw Jackie | :15:16. | :15:24. | |
there an outstanding candidate who will be re-elected I'm sure. It is a | :15:25. | :15:30. | |
different part of the country? Team 2015 with the 4,000 members already, | :15:31. | :15:34. | |
more people recruited all the time, will certainly be visiting Ed | :15:35. | :15:39. | |
Balls's constituency, and will join what by then will be quite a big | :15:40. | :15:42. | |
team of people who will be working there for the Conservative interest. | :15:43. | :15:52. | |
This is your first outing since plebgate... On Newsnight. Very nice | :15:53. | :15:58. | |
to have you. Slut ask David Cameron for a job back in the cabinet? No, | :15:59. | :16:05. | |
not a question of it, those are his sorts of decisions. You were | :16:06. | :16:09. | |
unfairly deprived of it? Yes I was, but I hope to play a role in winning | :16:10. | :16:12. | |
the next election which we have been talking about. So you would like a | :16:13. | :16:22. | |
job back in cabinet. I would like a job in front line politics. What has | :16:23. | :16:26. | |
this whole fair done to your view of the police? I think it is important | :16:27. | :16:29. | |
to recognise that the vast majority of police do a brilliant a brilliant | :16:30. | :16:40. | |
job. We need to make sure there is reform in the police so everyone can | :16:41. | :16:43. | |
have confidence. That is what the police want to see as well. I hope | :16:44. | :16:47. | |
to play a modest part in ensuring that those reforms come into play. | :16:48. | :16:51. | |
Not just to protect citizens but the reputation of the police. Quite hard | :16:52. | :16:56. | |
to look at a policeman after your experience and wonder if he's going | :16:57. | :17:00. | |
to tell the truth, isn't it? I know quite well the police in Sutton | :17:01. | :17:06. | |
Coldfield, they do an excellent job. Those are the police I think about | :17:07. | :17:11. | |
when I think about the police in our country. | :17:12. | :17:17. | |
Coming up. # You move like the wind | :17:18. | :17:21. | |
# The way you put it on the floor # I give you my ring | :17:22. | :17:25. | |
# I want to give the round of applause | :17:26. | :17:29. | |
# I like the way you rule. If you were watching last night you would | :17:30. | :17:34. | |
have seen the bizarre tale of the UK Independence Party spokesman, who it | :17:35. | :17:39. | |
seems spent some time as the ringleader of a kidnap gang in | :17:40. | :17:43. | |
Pakistan. Today we have seen documents that show Mujeed Bhutto | :17:44. | :17:47. | |
had an active role in the Conservative Party before joining | :17:48. | :17:52. | |
UKIP. This is all about this man, Mujeed Bhutto, UKIP's Commonwealth | :17:53. | :17:56. | |
spokesman for the last year or so. Making some high-profile appearances | :17:57. | :18:03. | |
on national TV and radio. We were reporting back in 2005, using a | :18:04. | :18:09. | |
slitly different -- slightly different name. He was convicted in | :18:10. | :18:15. | |
terms of a complex kidnapping case involving a person in Pakistan and | :18:16. | :18:20. | |
spent some time in jail. The focus was on UKIP yesterday now it has | :18:21. | :18:24. | |
switched to the Conservatives. Two months after his release he had | :18:25. | :18:29. | |
joined the Tories. The Conservative chairman was asked about his role in | :18:30. | :18:36. | |
the party. Member of the Conservative Party in 2008, he paid | :18:37. | :18:41. | |
one year, left and joined UKIP. I should just add, for completeness, | :18:42. | :18:46. | |
he attempted to rejoin the party last week after having been the UKIP | :18:47. | :18:50. | |
spokesman. Because he's a spokesman for another party we rejected that | :18:51. | :18:55. | |
application. Have you managed to speak to Mr Bhutto? We spoke to him | :18:56. | :18:59. | |
this afternoon. He's adamant he was active in the Conservative Party for | :19:00. | :19:04. | |
much longer than a single year as Mr Shapps of suggesting there. We have | :19:05. | :19:08. | |
seen this invitation he was sent to an event by the local Tory | :19:09. | :19:11. | |
association in Leeds, after the 2010 election. So at least a year after | :19:12. | :19:15. | |
Mr Shapps was suggesting he left the party. Then there was this slightly | :19:16. | :19:19. | |
strange attempt to rejoin the Conservatives by Mr Bhutto earlier | :19:20. | :19:23. | |
this year. Mr Shapps said they rejected that approach. Mr Bhutto | :19:24. | :19:27. | |
said he has never been told he cannot join. He was sent this e-mail | :19:28. | :19:32. | |
from a local deputy Party Chairman in Yorkshire. Saying, ": | :19:33. | :19:43. | |
There is a real confusion about his role with the Tories. The | :19:44. | :19:48. | |
Conservatives saying even if he was a member or activist he was never a | :19:49. | :19:52. | |
spokesman or on TV representing the party, as he was with UKIP. That is | :19:53. | :19:56. | |
the key difference they say here. Now the script might have been | :19:57. | :20:00. | |
written by a satirist, a fizzy drink, a glamorous actress and | :20:01. | :20:05. | |
highly charged political issue. Scarlett Johansson's attempt to | :20:06. | :20:10. | |
reconcile her position as an ambassador of Oxfam, and truesering | :20:11. | :20:17. | |
a lot of money from a company called Sodastream didn't take long, a girl | :20:18. | :20:21. | |
has to eat. Hello American football fans with her appearance in a | :20:22. | :20:26. | |
commercial for a company which manufacturerses in the occupied -- | :20:27. | :20:31. | |
manufactures in the occupied West Bank. Hollywood film star, Oxfam | :20:32. | :20:38. | |
ambassador and Sodastream girl. This week the actress found you can't | :20:39. | :20:43. | |
have it all. If only I could make this message go viral. She has | :20:44. | :20:48. | |
certainly done that, but not in the way that Sodastream intended. You | :20:49. | :20:58. | |
may remember it from 1980s Britain. But the bottles behind those dodgy | :20:59. | :21:04. | |
haircuts are now made here, at a Jewish settlement, built on occupied | :21:05. | :21:12. | |
territory outside Jerusalem. The factory employs Palestinians who | :21:13. | :21:15. | |
work alongside Jewish settler colleagues. Many campaign groups | :21:16. | :21:21. | |
want a ban on goods produced in reality settlements. Oxfam said the | :21:22. | :21:29. | |
ad violated the Convention on Human rights, and pressed Johansson on it. | :21:30. | :21:32. | |
She decided to hit with the drinks company, a less than happy ending to | :21:33. | :21:41. | |
when Hollywood meets Palestine. With us is the director of policy | :21:42. | :21:47. | |
for Oxfam. If these Palestinians are being well paid and being paid the | :21:48. | :21:55. | |
same as their Israeli compatriots, or their colleagues. What's wrong? | :21:56. | :21:59. | |
Our criticism is not of Sodastream's labour conditions. The issue is that | :22:00. | :22:04. | |
factory doesn't belong to Israel or Sodastream, it belongs to the people | :22:05. | :22:07. | |
who own that land who were thrown off that land in order that | :22:08. | :22:11. | |
settlements could be built. This isn't about soda or celebrities, it | :22:12. | :22:20. | |
is about settlements, the settlers impoverish the Palestinians. If I | :22:21. | :22:23. | |
took your house and now I turned it into a hotel as a porter, that | :22:24. | :22:27. | |
wouldn't be enough. Settlements hurt Palestinians. If this factory were | :22:28. | :22:32. | |
inside Israel there would be no problem for you? Oxfam doesn't | :22:33. | :22:36. | |
support a boycott against Israel, we have been clear about it. This | :22:37. | :22:40. | |
factory and the settlements are not in Israel, that is the position of | :22:41. | :22:44. | |
international law and the settlements hurt Palestinians. If it | :22:45. | :22:49. | |
was inside pre-1967 borders, you wouldn't have a problem? We have | :22:50. | :22:57. | |
never had an issue with Israel. What could Sodastream do to comply, | :22:58. | :23:02. | |
to meet your objection? They could fulfil international law and not be | :23:03. | :23:07. | |
in illegal settlements or someone else's territory. They have to shut | :23:08. | :23:12. | |
the factory down? If you meet people who live outside and close to the | :23:13. | :23:16. | |
settlements. They can't get permits for building and can be thrown out | :23:17. | :23:21. | |
of their homes, 100 people had their homes taken away just last month. | :23:22. | :23:25. | |
Settlements are hurting people across the West Bank. That is not | :23:26. | :23:30. | |
Sodastream's business taking away people's homes? We are not here to | :23:31. | :23:35. | |
criticise Sodastream but focus on the settlements. It is Sodastream | :23:36. | :23:39. | |
that has brought this to a head, as you know, there is really nothing | :23:40. | :23:43. | |
that Sodastream could do to meet your objections, bar shutting down | :23:44. | :23:47. | |
the factory and locating somewhere else. They should not be in the | :23:48. | :23:56. | |
settles, they are illegal -- settlements, they are illegal, they | :23:57. | :23:59. | |
need to go, they hurt Palestinians, they impoverish them, they make it | :24:00. | :24:03. | |
hard to get access to water, land and housing. It is damaging for the | :24:04. | :24:07. | |
Palestinian people. I wonder if you have any qualms at all about what | :24:08. | :24:11. | |
seems to some people about the bullying of Scarlett Johansson. I | :24:12. | :24:16. | |
think Scarlett Johansson did excellent work for Oxfam. I have no | :24:17. | :24:21. | |
criticism of Scarlett Johansson. Why couldn't she continue being an Oxfam | :24:22. | :24:26. | |
representative and do her commercials for Sodastream? Scarlett | :24:27. | :24:30. | |
Johansson resigned from only franc, we have made our -- Oxfam, we have | :24:31. | :24:36. | |
made our position clear on the settlements, they hurt Palestinian | :24:37. | :24:41. | |
people. To respond to that is the CEO of Sodastream, he's in Tel Aviv | :24:42. | :24:51. | |
now. Can you hear me? I can. In how much did you pay Scarlett Johansson | :24:52. | :24:56. | |
for this ad as matter of interest? It is not about money. And we don't | :24:57. | :25:00. | |
disclose t commercial terms we have with her. I can tell you that her | :25:01. | :25:04. | |
decision has not been financially motivated but rather | :25:05. | :25:10. | |
humanitarian-driven. She truly cares about people and bringing peace to | :25:11. | :25:16. | |
the region in the Middle East, and doing so within a two-state | :25:17. | :25:18. | |
solution. How do you feel about being part of | :25:19. | :25:26. | |
the occupation? Of territories seed from another country -- seized from | :25:27. | :25:30. | |
another country? What I'm doing in Sodastream in the factory is | :25:31. | :25:34. | |
occupying Palestinians side-by-side with Israelis, it is not a | :25:35. | :25:38. | |
settlement it is a factory. In fact we are part of the Palestinian | :25:39. | :25:41. | |
economy, and possibly part of the future, the seeds of the future | :25:42. | :25:50. | |
Palestinian state. We are not financing the settlement economy. We | :25:51. | :25:55. | |
are giving equal rise, benefits and opportunities to Palestinians, we | :25:56. | :26:00. | |
are proud about what we are doing in this factory. You have taken a | :26:01. | :26:04. | |
political position in choosing to operate this factory inside the | :26:05. | :26:09. | |
Occupied Territories, you accept that at least? No I inherited this | :26:10. | :26:15. | |
factory, it has been in there for 17 years, it is operating under the | :26:16. | :26:17. | |
agreement of the Palestinians themselves. This is an inconvenient | :26:18. | :26:21. | |
truth that many people forget. According to the Oslo accord of | :26:22. | :26:26. | |
1993, the Palestinians themselves agreed that area C, and this factory | :26:27. | :26:32. | |
is located in area C of the West Bank, will be operated under the | :26:33. | :26:36. | |
Israely administration, until the final borders will be drawn. That is | :26:37. | :26:41. | |
how we are operating. That is a God thing for the Palestinians who work | :26:42. | :26:45. | |
for me, because we are paying them Israeli wage which, is four-times | :26:46. | :26:54. | |
they would earn this in the Palestinian Authority, if they were | :26:55. | :26:57. | |
lucky enough to get a job. Their unemployment is 40%. You have | :26:58. | :27:02. | |
accepted Oxfam's position that you are operating an enterprise within | :27:03. | :27:07. | |
the Occupied Territories? Of course we are operating in enterprise | :27:08. | :27:12. | |
within the occupied fare threes. My -- territories. My dilemma is | :27:13. | :27:19. | |
putting people into unemployment and poverty. We employ 500 people and | :27:20. | :27:25. | |
each one feeds ten. Five #5,000 people have health insurance and | :27:26. | :27:28. | |
food on the table because of us. It is cynical and ironic that Oxfam, a | :27:29. | :27:34. | |
human rights organisation, whom I used to admire tremenduously are the | :27:35. | :27:38. | |
ones telling me to throw these people into poverty and | :27:39. | :27:44. | |
unemployment. It just, I can't understand how throwing 1300 people | :27:45. | :27:47. | |
into unemployment will promote peace. The Oxfam gentleman is still | :27:48. | :27:58. | |
here, can you explain it? You can't claim that the Palestinians | :27:59. | :28:04. | |
settlements are there. 30% unemployment, that is the figure | :28:05. | :28:09. | |
cited. Why is that? Is that because there are roadblocks every hour. Is | :28:10. | :28:12. | |
it because it is impossible for a Palestinian to establish their own | :28:13. | :28:15. | |
factory because they can't get permits in areas close to | :28:16. | :28:22. | |
settlements. Talking about the Palestinian olive oil industry is | :28:23. | :28:25. | |
collapsing because of the settlements. There may be many | :28:26. | :28:30. | |
imponderable. We are talking about this one concern, this one factory, | :28:31. | :28:35. | |
which as you have heard and well know employs Palestinians. You want | :28:36. | :28:42. | |
to see them chucked out, do you? We want to see the land returned to | :28:43. | :28:47. | |
those who threw them off the land. We want to see the return of the | :28:48. | :28:52. | |
land. Would you like to see that factory seize to employ Palestinians | :28:53. | :29:01. | |
or others? They could have an arrangement. What do you want? We | :29:02. | :29:07. | |
want the settlements to end. You want a factory shut down? You can't | :29:08. | :29:13. | |
operate factories and settlements and say the settlements are wrong. | :29:14. | :29:19. | |
Do you want the factory shutdown or not? We don't want the settlements, | :29:20. | :29:29. | |
they are illegal. Senator George Mitchell who brokered peace in | :29:30. | :29:32. | |
Northern Ireland, you are aware of his work. He was commissioned by | :29:33. | :29:35. | |
President Obama to broker peace in the Middle East, visited Sodastream | :29:36. | :29:42. | |
and said we are a glimmer of co-operation between them. There is | :29:43. | :29:46. | |
not a lot of light in this part of the world. You don't go back to | :29:47. | :29:49. | |
darkness if you can celebrate the light. This francly is a dream for | :29:50. | :29:54. | |
activists and politicians. Because we are proving that there can be | :29:55. | :29:58. | |
peace in the Middle East. I invited the Oxfam folk, they can all come | :29:59. | :30:06. | |
and see it before they shut it down. From the Prime Minister downwards, | :30:07. | :30:09. | |
or upwards, depending on your point of view. One member of the country's | :30:10. | :30:14. | |
officer class after another has condemned or been pious about the | :30:15. | :30:18. | |
fact that much of the London tube system has been shut down by a | :30:19. | :30:23. | |
48-hour strike, one scheduled for next week. We have lost the strike | :30:24. | :30:27. | |
habit over recent years, but the action by the RMT union, let by a | :30:28. | :30:32. | |
man photographed only days ago getting tanned on the beach in | :30:33. | :30:38. | |
Brazil is a which have of times past. In It would be bly cheap to | :30:39. | :30:46. | |
knock a man like Bob Crow for taking a holiday on the beaches of Brazil | :30:47. | :30:52. | |
just days before a major tube strike. That is the conclusion Boris | :30:53. | :31:07. | |
Johnson came to in his column, it wasn't so much the holiday but it | :31:08. | :31:17. | |
was the unions attempt to paralise. Grumpy recrimination, lost revenue | :31:18. | :31:22. | |
and grumpiness, much of it aimed at your man Bob, Bob and or Ritz | :31:23. | :31:26. | |
haven't met for five years. This morning they clashed on a live radio | :31:27. | :31:30. | |
show, each confusingly accusing the other of the same thing.. I can't | :31:31. | :31:35. | |
sit down and negotiate with you. I'm not askin When you are holding a gun | :31:36. | :31:40. | |
to Londoners' heads. You can't put a gun to your head? You are putting | :31:41. | :31:44. | |
the gun to the head. You served the notice on our unions. The | :31:45. | :31:48. | |
ammunition, bizarrely is a deranged shot at class war, with the old | :31:49. | :31:54. | |
Eatonian pointing out the inconsistencies of a trade unionists | :31:55. | :31:58. | |
living in a council house on a six-figure salary. He gets ?5,000 a | :31:59. | :32:08. | |
year, Boris Johnson gets ?143,000. A tube driver will make ?52,000 by | :32:09. | :32:17. | |
2015. The average wage for a London is ?32,800. The strike surrounds | :32:18. | :32:22. | |
jobs and ticket office closures. Bob accuse Boris of breaking his | :32:23. | :32:30. | |
election promise of promising not to close any one. Boris says things | :32:31. | :32:35. | |
have moved on. Old fashioned technology, six years ago when I | :32:36. | :32:41. | |
talked about closing the offices or not, the i phone wasn't invented. It | :32:42. | :32:48. | |
is brave man that asks what technology has done for the world, | :32:49. | :32:55. | |
perhaps Bob Crow is a different breed. Perhaps Camden Town doesn't | :32:56. | :32:59. | |
like as enticing as his holiday desanyone nation. | :33:00. | :33:04. | |
Aside from the discussion about the merits of Bob Crow's tan, the | :33:05. | :33:11. | |
question is, is his union just holding up the inevitable technology | :33:12. | :33:17. | |
with driverless trains and ticketless stations. Do you care | :33:18. | :33:21. | |
about the damage done to the economy of Lon by this strike? London | :33:22. | :33:26. | |
Underground relies on the economy and our members rely on working for | :33:27. | :33:31. | |
London Underground. The bigger the economy gets in London the more | :33:32. | :33:34. | |
people you use on London Underground. Making sure our jobs | :33:35. | :33:38. | |
are more secure. You don't care enough to call off the strike? We | :33:39. | :33:42. | |
do, we would love to call the strike off. Just do it then? But the point | :33:43. | :33:47. | |
is, what do we get out of it. We don't call strikes for the sake of | :33:48. | :33:52. | |
it. We call strikes because the employer doesn't take us seriously. | :33:53. | :34:01. | |
The tube staff realise if you are disabled or partially sighted it | :34:02. | :34:04. | |
will be more difficult to get a ticket. There is an argument that | :34:05. | :34:07. | |
all we are doing ask trying to keep somebody behind a ticket office | :34:08. | :34:12. | |
seing tickets, that is the not the case. You know the thing is | :34:13. | :34:19. | |
contactless travel and driverless trains? Technology is coming in, we | :34:20. | :34:23. | |
want to sit down and agree how the technology will be applied. We | :34:24. | :34:27. | |
support London Underground, we want to sit round a table, not to be told | :34:28. | :34:32. | |
that workers who have about 25, 30 years, heros when the vicious | :34:33. | :34:36. | |
terrorist attacks took place in London. You don't want to change | :34:37. | :34:41. | |
things, three months notice and get rid of the jobs. We are happy with | :34:42. | :34:45. | |
change, we have had change all our lives. We have been crying out for | :34:46. | :34:49. | |
change. How can you be crying out for change when you are opposing | :34:50. | :34:53. | |
change? We are not opposing change, we are imposing how it is | :34:54. | :34:59. | |
implemented. We might as well pack up a shop. If trade union can't ask | :35:00. | :35:05. | |
for safety in the work place to and from the work place, decent pay and | :35:06. | :35:09. | |
conditions, we might as well pack up. It has taken decades to get | :35:10. | :35:15. | |
legislation in place to make sure there is proper work places and this | :35:16. | :35:20. | |
crowd wants to take them all away. You know how it is going, great | :35:21. | :35:25. | |
unions, shadows of their former selves, even the Labour Party is | :35:26. | :35:30. | |
proposing the role of the unions and choosing of the leader. All across | :35:31. | :35:35. | |
the board, unions are in retreat, and unions like yours have very | :35:36. | :35:41. | |
little to look forward to? I think we do so, we are not members of the | :35:42. | :35:45. | |
Labour Party, those in the Labour Party ask him, our membership has | :35:46. | :35:52. | |
gone up from 53,000 to 81,000. That was in the last 12 years. The | :35:53. | :35:59. | |
railways is another technology. A new technology will come in, you buy | :36:00. | :36:03. | |
a new television and it is fantastic, but six months older it | :36:04. | :36:07. | |
is old. We don't go around the place and say because the central heating | :36:08. | :36:12. | |
is coming in we still want chimney sweepers. Houses are being built out | :36:13. | :36:19. | |
chimneys, you turn the chimney sweets into central engineers. That | :36:20. | :36:22. | |
is what we are doing, that is what we say about the underground. If a | :36:23. | :36:30. | |
still isn't there we use the stils and diversify. I just wonder if you | :36:31. | :36:34. | |
look at it you see the future of work and the marginalised role of | :36:35. | :36:41. | |
trade unions in many areas of life. Don't you feel you belong in a | :36:42. | :36:46. | |
different time? No I belong in 2014. You are a dinosaur? At the end of | :36:47. | :36:50. | |
the day that was around for a long while. People join a trade union, in | :36:51. | :36:54. | |
our view they do for one thing and one thing only, job secretary, being | :36:55. | :37:01. | |
safe, best possible pay and conditions, decent conditions and | :37:02. | :37:10. | |
world of peace. If we are not -- If we don't put it on the agenda, who | :37:11. | :37:14. | |
will, who will be the people on the street to hold its banner for us if | :37:15. | :37:20. | |
the trade unions don't hold it. To a story that almost seems too unlikely | :37:21. | :37:26. | |
to be true. A fishermen sets off from the Mexican coast but gets lost | :37:27. | :37:30. | |
at sea. Over a year later and thousands of miles away, the | :37:31. | :37:39. | |
fisherman turns up on the Martial islands in the Pacific. He claims to | :37:40. | :37:44. | |
have survived by drinking turtle blood and his own urine. We join a | :37:45. | :37:55. | |
film maker on the trip. Do you believe him? In a word, yes. I can | :37:56. | :38:05. | |
say categorically when he first waed up on the shore and I heard the | :38:06. | :38:08. | |
story I was very sceptical. Having seen him and talked to him | :38:09. | :38:12. | |
yesterday. Having filmed him getting off the boat. I really think this | :38:13. | :38:19. | |
man went through on ordeal, you described some of the issues he had | :38:20. | :38:24. | |
being at sea for so long. This is not somebody working an agenda or | :38:25. | :38:29. | |
perpetrate a host. This is a simple fisherman from Mexico who has spent | :38:30. | :38:33. | |
a long time at sea and has an incredible tale to tell. What sort | :38:34. | :38:42. | |
of shape was he in? When he got off the boat some of the people saw the | :38:43. | :38:46. | |
images that I shot and thought this guy looks big and healthy. How could | :38:47. | :38:51. | |
he have been at sea. The issue had, he was very bloated and his face was | :38:52. | :38:56. | |
bloated and his arms and hands were bloated. To me he didn't look | :38:57. | :39:01. | |
healthy. He had a big baggy shirt on that made him look heavy. When we | :39:02. | :39:07. | |
went a filmed him yesterday after the hospital overnight, the IVs, | :39:08. | :39:13. | |
fluids, and being back in civilisation with people who you | :39:14. | :39:19. | |
talk to. He started to go from the survival mode, which I imagine he | :39:20. | :39:24. | |
was in for a long time, to OK, I'm back to reality I have to start | :39:25. | :39:27. | |
thinking about myself and my future. You could see him. Even over the | :39:28. | :39:31. | |
course of the interview, just his mentality changed and he seems in | :39:32. | :39:40. | |
pretty good spirits but on the other hand he can't believe what he was | :39:41. | :39:45. | |
just going through. His original story of going off on a fishing | :39:46. | :39:51. | |
trip, I believe, wasn't it with a friend were is the friend? What | :39:52. | :39:56. | |
happened is he told us the story and this got jumbled around in the | :39:57. | :40:01. | |
media. He told it to us directly from his own lips yesterday. They | :40:02. | :40:06. | |
had been at sea for about four months. He had a young man with him. | :40:07. | :40:11. | |
He's not really sure of the young man's age, 15-17 years old, what | :40:12. | :40:15. | |
they had been doing to that point, survive, they were beating raw | :40:16. | :40:21. | |
birds, a lot of the diet was raw birds or a turtle if it was bumped | :40:22. | :40:27. | |
up on the boat and they would eat it raw. Occasionally they would catch | :40:28. | :40:33. | |
fish. Every time this young man would go to eat one of the young | :40:34. | :40:38. | |
birds he would vomit and couldn't do T he was having a lot of time eating | :40:39. | :40:42. | |
any kind of raw food. After a while we refused. Eventually he died, and | :40:43. | :40:49. | |
according to Jose he flipped him off to boat and put him to sea after he | :40:50. | :40:53. | |
died. When talked about this particular event in the interview. | :40:54. | :41:02. | |
You could see the remorse come over his face. This was something that | :41:03. | :41:05. | |
was starting to sink in the reality of his downhy. He started when he | :41:06. | :41:09. | |
would talk about this young man, it was a really hard thing to talk | :41:10. | :41:16. | |
about. There is quite a lot of excitement in the music world at | :41:17. | :41:23. | |
present with the success of African artists. Million Pound Girl has been | :41:24. | :41:28. | |
in the charts for many years. The performer is Fuse, British of | :41:29. | :41:33. | |
Ghanaian descent. What is happening with the popularity of African music | :41:34. | :41:35. | |
goes further than tunes or dancing. Fuse ODG or "on the ground" | :41:36. | :41:58. | |
performing this dance in the clubs of Ghon and brought it to the UK. | :41:59. | :42:03. | |
The sound known as Afrobeat, draws on the music of west Africa. The | :42:04. | :42:12. | |
track represents a turning point, when Ghana's streets is as | :42:13. | :42:18. | |
influential on British culture as hip hop in the UK. His next track, | :42:19. | :42:33. | |
antenna took him mainstream, it reached the top ten last year. It | :42:34. | :42:41. | |
stands for "this is the new Africa". Fuse OD doesn't just want to change | :42:42. | :42:45. | |
the way people move but transform the way we see Africa. Fuse is here, | :42:46. | :42:58. | |
what is all this stuff about transforming the way we see Africa? | :42:59. | :43:03. | |
I grew up in the UK, I did primary school in Ghana and secondary school | :43:04. | :43:09. | |
in the UK and university. Growing up in the UK, Africa wasn't perceived | :43:10. | :43:14. | |
in such a good way. I took a trip back to Africa a few years ago, my | :43:15. | :43:18. | |
experiences were completely different from what I had seen on | :43:19. | :43:25. | |
TV, how my peers actually saw Africa. I just wanted to share my | :43:26. | :43:33. | |
experience. Africa is at? Conrad Heart of Darkness, it is familiar | :43:34. | :43:39. | |
anyone, corruption, it issups it is things not working, you say there is | :43:40. | :43:44. | |
another picture people have missed? There is so much people have missed. | :43:45. | :43:49. | |
When I land in Africa, the feeling I get, when in Africa. It is such an | :43:50. | :43:54. | |
amazing feeling it annoyed me I was in the UK and this kind of feeling | :43:55. | :44:00. | |
wasn't portrayed on the TVs or the radio. So toing it annoyed me I was | :44:01. | :44:25. | |
in the UK and this kind of feeling wasn't portrayed on the TVs or the | :44:26. | :44:28. | |
radio. So to me I'm sharing my music about Africa, there is poverty and | :44:29. | :44:30. | |
things, but it is important to get the balance right. The media don't | :44:31. | :44:33. | |
show the balance, especially when I was growing up. Is this feeling of a | :44:34. | :44:36. | |
different kind of Africa, are people outside the African community | :44:37. | :44:44. | |
beginning to understand that. Through the music we are making the | :44:45. | :44:48. | |
of a toe beat. I performed at the MOBOs and I won an award. I let | :44:49. | :44:54. | |
people know that Africa is not all that, the media is showing there is | :44:55. | :44:58. | |
a different side to that. At Stamford university I shared my | :44:59. | :45:02. | |
experience of Africa and not just about Africa but outside, me and | :45:03. | :45:07. | |
African people. Their ideas on how to become reinvested back in. Are | :45:08. | :45:13. | |
there white kids who want to be African? A white girl's phone rings | :45:14. | :45:21. | |
and the tune is praying on the phone. Things have changed and the | :45:22. | :45:31. | |
feeling proud to be really proud of who you are. What does it stand for | :45:32. | :45:36. | |
on your hat? "This is new Africa", showcasing it through music, | :45:37. | :45:40. | |
businesses, fashion, just there is so many different factors that the | :45:41. | :45:45. | |
media never showcased when I was growing up. We are going to hear | :45:46. | :45:49. | |
you. Don't talk for too long. I like talking. We want to hear you play. | :45:50. | :45:56. | |
If you get ready for that,ly give some very -- I will give some | :45:57. | :45:59. | |
interesting newspaper headlines. Yeah, the Telegraph, bigger council | :46:00. | :46:03. | |
tax rise forced by Liberal Democrats. | :46:04. | :46:26. | |
# You move like the wind # The way you put it on and off love | :46:27. | :47:02. | |
# I want to come and give you my ring | :47:03. | :47:05. | |
# My girl roll with a kick # She can give you everything | :47:06. | :47:10. | |
# My girl roll with a kick # Like a singer | :47:11. | :47:14. | |
# My girl is roll with a butter # I can give you everything | :47:15. | :47:18. | |
# My girl roll with a kink # Every good man needs a Queen | :47:19. | :47:22. | |
# I like it when you put it on # When you put it off | :47:23. | :47:29. | |
# You always stay ahead like the hoodie army | :47:30. | :47:32. | |
# I won't leave you lonely # Go and put it on | :47:33. | :47:36. | |
# When put it on I'm really good # The hoodie army I like the way | :47:37. | :47:44. | |
that you doing your thing # You doing your thing | :47:45. | :47:49. | |
# All my pain off on the ground # You done move like the wind. , | :47:50. | :47:54. | |
evening, another stormy | :47:55. | :47:56. |